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(06-17-2019 12:45 PM)RiceOwl Wrote:  After a 26-33 (14-16 CUSA RPI 11) season, crying over spilled milk is perfectly normal. Hallmark on the other hand went 37-22 (19-12 Southland RPI 12).

No agenda here, just calling it as a see it. Hate for Lance, hate for Pat, it is all one in the same.

Shoulda coulda woulda seems to be a trend.

Perhaps you mistake 'preferring someone other than Lance' to 'hating Lance'. Those are two distinct buckets.

And, btw, even 'hating Lance' != 'hating Hallmark'.

I did not prefer Lance to other picks. You and I have hashed that out to where there is nothing left to that discussion, tbh. In honesty, I hope all the best to Lance at *whatever* he does.

Perhaps we shall see if he has the not just the ability to coach NCAA baseball, but has the perseverance that is absolutely required. Or, perhaps we never will at any level or position in an NCAA program -- which would tend to point against at least one of those cornerstones. Nonetheless, whatever he does I wish him great success at whatever he moves forward with.

Same goes for Hallmark. But, Hallmark has shown absolutely the ability *and* the perseverance in the coaching field. And, he would have been a resounding choice for the Rice program, imo. But, it really doesnt look like the timing gods were there for Rice on that one.

I would suggest that perhaps you might consider a re-tune that radar gun of yours. I think the 'paranoid' setting is a tad too high. In all honesty it seems kind of set to the Phillip Francis Queeg setting for items related to the Rice baseball coaching position.

Me, I will definitely give Bragga the time and space to succeed, or, for that matter, fail, if that is the case.

And, like you, I hope all the best to Hallmark (excepting any games against Rice, that is, of course.)
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(06-16-2019 05:29 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  2015 - Hallmark is at Rice
2016 - Hallmark goes to Missouri as an assistant coach
2017 - Hallmark gets head coaching job at UIW
2019 - Hallmark leaves IUW for UTSA
Okay, let's start with this....

What in this tells you that he's going to stay at UIW?

Quote:UTSA isn't that much of a step up. Comparing a Rice to UT job move, to a UIW one to UTSA is laughable. It is comparable to leaving Rice for Tulsa. If he does well there, he'll be gone with 3-5 years.

Of course he will... That's the point.

Tulsa and Rice are in the same conference. UIW is not in CUSA. If you're saying Southland Baseball is the same as CUSA baseball, okay. I disagree.. and think the stats on salaries and CWS appearances would back me up but disagreement is okay. UT is obviously a step up from us and that was the only point I was making... I thought about saying Tech, but it didn't make any difference to my point. They pay a lot more than we do, and nobody would begrudge someone doing that. If a football coach does well here, he will be gone in 3-5 years as well... and if they were hired by UT (or Tech) and paid an amount we couldn't approach, nobody would be that upset about that part. Now if Hallmark had gone to another Southland school for similar money.... even just a little more... THAT would be a problem... see Graham, Todd.

Quote:Coaches should be held just as accountable for 'transfers' as players. If Bloomgren left Rice for say USF after the 2019 season (just using that as an example since he's a Florida native), I'd be critical too.

Okay.... but that's just your opinion that not everyone agrees with.... and more importantly, it's not the current reality...

SO you're mad at Hallmark for playing by the rules?

Quote:I highly disagree with your c) comment c) "a coach pulling a scholly leaving a kid with limited places to go(because classes are filled early) is far more damaging than a coach leaving... assuming the new coach honors the scholarships. Hallmark will probably recruit the kid if he can." If a coach pulls a scholly offer that he made to begin with, or if a coach runs off a player from a team once they're in school because they realize after the fact that they're not good enough to remain on scholarship, then I think that's an issue. But a new coach being asked to honor an old coach's scholarship offer is not far more damaging IMO.
Is that (the bold) what I said?

I believe what I said is that a coach pulling a scholly is far more damaging (The italics). I apologize if that wasn't clear.
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I fail to see how Rice passed on Pierce or Hallmark. They left when it was apparent that in the near future (for them) a change would not be made, for whatever reason, at Rice.
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Pierce left after 2011 -- very understandable given that, at that time, Graham would not be moving out of the top spot in the foreseeable future. Pierce did the logical thing and went to where he could advance his coaching career. It was easy to pass on Pierce when Rice actually opened up since pierce had one of the absolute top positions in the country at that time.

Most assistants are not like Saarloos and actually move to where their careers will expand to the next level. Pierce did wonderfully with his advancement.

Hallmark left in 2016, just as the cracks in Graham's records became an issue worth discussion about if/when Graham would step aside. Hallmark had put in one year a UIW (his first head coach gig) when the Rice position opened. I agree that Rice should have explored Hallmark --- but, I would surmise that poking around in a first year coach would not necessarily be successful, and might seem pretty unseemly.

To be honest, does *anyone* on this board *know* for a stone cold fact that Hallmark wasn't approached?
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(06-17-2019 11:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Pierce left after 2011 -- very understandable given that, at that time, Graham would not be moving out of the top spot in the foreseeable future. Pierce did the logical thing and went to where he could advance his coaching career. It was easy to pass on Pierce when Rice actually opened up since pierce had one of the absolute top positions in the country at that time.

Most assistants are not like Saarloos and actually move to where their careers will expand to the next level. Pierce did wonderfully with his advancement.

Hallmark left in 2016, just as the cracks in Graham's records became an issue worth discussion about if/when Graham would step aside. Hallmark had put in one year a UIW (his first head coach gig) when the Rice position opened. I agree that Rice should have explored Hallmark --- but, I would surmise that poking around in a first year coach would not necessarily be successful, and might seem pretty unseemly.

To be honest, does *anyone* on this board *know* for a stone cold fact that Hallmark wasn't approached?

No clue whether Patrick was approached. However, it would appear from the way things transpired that JK wanted a clean break from the Graham tenure.
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(06-17-2019 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I couldn't care less ...

04-bow (proper phrase used!)
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(06-18-2019 10:09 AM)mrbig Wrote:  
(06-17-2019 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I couldn't care less ...

04-bow (proper phrase used!)

Well... I now think of the absolutely proper chastisement of my previous usage whenever I type this out or otherwise use it. You have made me an immeasurably better person in this specific topic.

Too bad there are oh-so many more noticeable and impactful shortcomings I seemingly carry about.
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tonic - if I was paranoid I would not be responding 3 days later...

Anyways, time to shift the thread back to recruiting. Do we have links to any of our current and incoming guy's summer stats?

EDIT - saw the other stats thread but the link was stale - new link https://riceowls.com/documents/2019/6/20...te0620.pdf
(This post was last modified: 06-20-2019 11:55 AM by RiceOwl.)
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Just posted on twitter...

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I am excited to announce that I will be playing my redshirt-senior season and pursuing an MBA at Rice University. I am looking forward to becoming a member of such a storied program. #HootEm?

Does anyone know where he is transferring from and what position he plays?
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Interesting prospect (6-7, 270). I'd say he's probably not a super hard thrower but he did have 36 K's in 31 innings so maybe that's not correct.

He might also be the only Rice pitcher next year with regional experience (he struck out the only FAU batter he faced at the Athens regional). That of course depends on which Rice pitchers return next season.
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(06-26-2019 03:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Just posted on twitter...

Quote:Andrew Kane
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I am excited to announce that I will be playing my redshirt-senior season and pursuing an MBA at Rice University. I am looking forward to becoming a member of such a storied program. #HootEm?

Does anyone know where he is transferring from and what position he plays?

And good for Andrew for targeting to get his MBA! Welcome to the Rice family!
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(06-26-2019 04:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Interesting prospect (6-7, 270). I'd say he's probably not a super hard thrower but he did have 36 K's in 31 innings so maybe that's not correct.

He might also be the only Rice pitcher next year with regional experience (he struck out the only FAU batter he faced at the Athens regional). That of course depends on which Rice pitchers return next season.

Appears to be bullpen reinforcement. Always a good thing.
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(06-26-2019 04:29 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 04:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Interesting prospect (6-7, 270). I'd say he's probably not a super hard thrower but he did have 36 K's in 31 innings so maybe that's not correct.

He might also be the only Rice pitcher next year with regional experience (he struck out the only FAU batter he faced at the Athens regional). That of course depends on which Rice pitchers return next season.

Appears to be bullpen reinforcement. Always a good thing.

Statistically speaking, he’ll be our best pitcher with NCAA experience by a long shot next year.
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Quote:PBR Texas
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@RiceBaseball commit 2020 OF Ben Dukes (Houston Memorial) is an athletic left-handed bat that does everything well. After running a 7.0 60-yard dash, he laced balls from gap to gap in BP with quick-strong hands and an easy weight transfer that projects for more pop in the future.
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Cory Barton just tweeted his animated dancing owl, meaning another signing. Hoping it's another JUCO pitcher to replace Moss on the roster.
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2020 commit, RHP Reed Gallant of Flower Mound, TX just announced his Rice commitment.
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(07-21-2019 07:33 PM)Swede Owl Wrote:  2020 commit, RHP Reed Gallant of Flower Mound, TX just announced his Rice commitment.

That's today's commit, following a second Cory Barton animated tweet. We still haven't accounted for yesterday's commit.
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We have, but am waiting for the player to announce it first.
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Just for clarity, a 2020 commit for baseball is someone who can play for the Owls in 2020, or in the case of a high school recruit, someone who graduates HS in 2020 and will be on the 2021 Owl roster?
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