(07-14-2019 04:32 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

“Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

To be clear—this time around motive is not the AAC’s problem. Aresco has publicly stated the AAC is pursuing nobody and is fine at 11—but they are willing to listen if someone calls. If negotiations occur with CSU—it will be because they applied for entrance into the AAC—- not because the AAC recruited them.

I don’t think he’s lying when he says the league is fine at 11. But has anyone asked him why exactly he had to invite Tulsa to get to 12 in the first place?

At the time Tulsa was added to the AAC a conference had to have 12 members in order to sponsor a CCG.

(07-14-2019 04:32 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

“Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

To be clear—this time around motive is not the AAC’s problem. Aresco has publicly stated the AAC is pursuing nobody and is fine at 11—but they are willing to listen if someone calls. If negotiations occur with CSU—it will be because they applied for entrance into the AAC—- not because the AAC recruited them.

I don’t think he’s lying when he says the league is fine at 11. But has anyone asked him why exactly he had to invite Tulsa to get to 12 in the first place?

Rules required 12 at the time.

(07-14-2019 04:32 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

“Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

To be clear—this time around motive is not the AAC’s problem. Aresco has publicly stated the AAC is pursuing nobody and is fine at 11—but they are willing to listen if someone calls. If negotiations occur with CSU—it will be because they applied for entrance into the AAC—- not because the AAC recruited them.

I don’t think he’s lying when he says the league is fine at 11. But has anyone asked him why exactly he had to invite Tulsa to get to 12 in the first place?

Because he couldn’t get the (any) MWC schools to join. I remember that in his attempts to keep Boise and San Diego St, Aresco was trying his butt off for Air Force. They said no. Then I remember Fresno St and UNLV saying no. Embarrassing enough is that Nevada was even approached and were a hard no. (Colorado St wasn’t even contacted as it was such a joke that they’d be interested)
So....Aresco invited Tulsa. Bad times.

(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  I’ll reply to you because the other two responded with essentially the same thing. Institutionally speaking, UMass looks a lot like the teams in the conference and is in New England. This is the most logical substitute for UConn if the conference wants to plug the hole and keep rolling. Plus, wouldn’t that be the knockout the AAC and ESPN could give UConn?

Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.

The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.

(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.

The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.

Maybe CoastalJohn was referring to Navy?

(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.

The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.

A few clarifications:

Didn’t compare Greenville to Virginia Beach, I compared Virginia Beach to nice vacation destinations.

Didn’t say VB had ECU media saturation. I said it had fan support.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings. See you in September.


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(07-14-2019 10:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.

The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.

Maybe CoastalJohn was referring to Navy?

And yes, Navy certainly has a following there.


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(07-15-2019 06:04 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.

The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.

A few clarifications: media support

Didn’t compare Greenville to Virginia Beach, I compared Virginia Beach to nice vacation destinations.

Didn’t say VB had ECU media saturation. I said it had fan support.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings. See you in September.


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If you had sustainable fan support, you'd have the corresponding media support. That's how it works. A large amount of ECU fans in our area? Media support is almost certain to follow. It hasn't.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/...808835001/

Thompson doesn’t expect the MWC to get to $2.3 million or more annually per school, which is the threshhold for Hawaii to participate since Hawaii earns that much for its for pay-per-view broadcasts on the islands.

The 60-day exclusive window with CBS-Sports Network has passed, but Thompson said the conference agreed to extend it because “we’re having good talks, good conversation.” Negotiations with ESPN, he said, are also going well, and the conference is in the middle of a 45-day exclusive window for those talks.

The length of the new contracts will be shorter than the 10-year deals that are expiring, he said.

Boise State will continue to receive $1.8 million “off the top” of the media rights package. The Broncos still receive an equal share of the remaining money as well.

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Sounds like their deal is going from $14M per year to maybe $24M-ish, give or take a couple of million.

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(07-24-2019 09:48 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/...808835001/

Thompson doesn’t expect the MWC to get to $2.3 million or more annually per school, which is the threshhold for Hawaii to participate since Hawaii earns that much for its for pay-per-view broadcasts on the islands.

The 60-day exclusive window with CBS-Sports Network has passed, but Thompson said the conference agreed to extend it because “we’re having good talks, good conversation.” Negotiations with ESPN, he said, are also going well, and the conference is in the middle of a 45-day exclusive window for those talks.

The length of the new contracts will be shorter than the 10-year deals that are expiring, he said.

Boise State will continue to receive $1.8 million “off the top” of the media rights package. The Broncos still receive an equal share of the remaining money as well.

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Sounds like their deal is going from $14M per year to maybe $24M-ish, give or take a couple of million.

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Boise = Texas of the B-12.

It sounds like a short term CUSA TV type arrangement for similar money.

I guess the MWC cant get to the 2.3 mil threshold even with a 10 year agreement in place which is pretty sad compared to the AAC.

Boise continuing to get preferential treatment also an issue for the conference.

Welp you can go ahead and stick a fork in the MWC then...get out while you can.

(07-24-2019 12:08 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Welp you can go ahead and stick a fork in the MWC then...get out while you can.

For the average MWC schoool, not named Boise State, it does not look great.
*$2M per year (or less)
* the primary bowl destinations for most of the conference = Boise, Albuquerque, Tuscon against way-out-of-market MAC schools.
* mostly late night kickoffs in order to get national TV exposure.
Not a great recipe to retain teams that are looking to improve their situation.

Ironically, Boise appears to still have a decent situation, as the money is about the same (still preferential treatment) and the Los Angeles Bowl for the MWC champion appears to be an upgrade in opponent (PAC #4?) and destination (new NFL stadium in SoCal)...and still potential access to decent Texas (Armed Forces or First Responsder?) and Arizona (Cheez-It backup) bowls games.

(07-25-2019 12:14 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(07-24-2019 12:08 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Welp you can go ahead and stick a fork in the MWC then...get out while you can.

For the average MWC schoool, not named Boise State, it does not look great.
*$2M per year (or less)
* the primary bowl destinations for most of the conference = Boise, Albuquerque, Tuscon against way-out-of-market MAC schools.
* mostly late night kickoffs in order to get national TV exposure.
Not a great recipe to retain teams that are looking to improve their situation.

Ironically, Boise appears to still have a decent situation, as the money is about the same (still preferential treatment) and the Los Angeles Bowl for the MWC champion appears to be an upgrade in opponent (PAC #4?) and destination (new NFL stadium in SoCal)...and still potential access to decent Texas (Armed Forces or First Responsder?) and Arizona (Cheez-It backup) bowls games.

Actually, thats one reason Boise's TV situation is unlikely to be maximized. The other schools dont care as much about the TV deal as they will actually make more from better start times than they will from their smaller TV shares. So, if push comes to shove---they are likely to opt for more digital (giving them complete control over start times) rather than a slightly more lucrative late night start heavy linear TV deal. My guess, a small reasonable package of late night starts will be part of the MW deal--which will be heavily tilted toward ESPN+.

Boise is 2 games max on ESPN+.


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(07-25-2019 01:40 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Boise is 2 games max on ESPN+.


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Boise gets their own deal. Probably all late nights I suspect on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU.

Makes more sense to just stay at 11.

Plus what is the upside for CSU? They'd lose rivalry games with Wyoming and Air Force.

(07-11-2019 09:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 09:06 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 08:07 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  And Georgia State is in freaking Atlanta, the fastest growing major city in the country. Atlanta is also football crazy - it's probably the biggest CFB market in the country.

Also about as easy to fly in and out of as a city can be. Georgia State is one of a couple of schools that probably deserve a very close look.

IMO, Georgia State has a lot of potential, but they are too much of a "project" right now. They need to marinate in the Sun Belt for 5 or so more years so we can see how much that potential can be realized.

The big problem of course is football. GS averages about 16k in home attendance, that is barely FBS level and nowhere near where we want the AAC to be.

Yes, Atlanta is college football crazy, but it's already college football saturated too - it's in a thoroughly SEC state with Georgia as the Big Banana, and what isn't Georgia is swept up by Georgia Tech. These fans are also used to Big Time football. It may be hard to interest fans who are used to Georgia, and sometimes Georgia Tech, constantly playing big games versus other national powers to get excited about matchups like Georgia State vs Memphis.

So there may not be a lot of room for the Georgia Southerns and Georgia States to grow much beyond what they are. At the least, they have to prove it first.

The long term potential is there I guess. And they do have their own stadium which is quite nice, even though it is not on campus. Still, they're about 10-20 years away from being a UCF/USF type and that is assuming they hit on hiring the right head coach

If the AAC can't get a waiver for 11 teams contract UMASS for FB only like the Sun Belt did to fill UConn's spot in the east until 2025 when the next realignment period comes about. Give them 8 games and a bowl opportunity until then. If nothing happens in 2025 and a better option comes along for all sports end the contract and take the new 12th all sports member in. Problem solved.

(07-25-2019 02:50 PM)panite Wrote:  If the AAC can't get a waiver for 11 teams contract UMASS for FB only like the Sun Belt did to fill UConn's spot in the east until 2025 when the next realignment period comes about. Give them 8 games and a bowl opportunity until then. If nothing happens in 2025 and a better option comes along for all sports end the contract and take the new 12th all sports member in. Problem solved.

The AAC isnt going to take UMass. If they are going to use a stop gap measure---then they will just let UConn pay for the right to stay a few extra years.