(07-09-2019 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The thing is, if you do the same "rivals/travel/tradition" calculation for Texas and Oklahoma---you'll see the Big12 melt down is largely a bulletin board creation. Especially when you calculate in a 50 million dollar exit fee, the Longhorn Network problem, and pay days that wont be all that different. What you might see is some flirting in the mid -2020's to gain some extra concessions from the other B12 members---but I suspect the "The Mid 2020 Realignment Big Bang" is going to probably be a big bust.

I agree that smart scheduling can solve most of the bigger travel issues that might be potential issues with a larger footprint best of the rest type conference.

$50 million?

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

ESPN would be wise to say nothing and just prorate the payout to accommodate 11.

You can do unbalanced divisions, BTW. It's been done before by your very own league.

(07-10-2019 06:38 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The thing is, if you do the same "rivals/travel/tradition" calculation for Texas and Oklahoma---you'll see the Big12 melt down is largely a bulletin board creation. Especially when you calculate in a 50 million dollar exit fee, the Longhorn Network problem, and pay days that wont be all that different. What you might see is some flirting in the mid -2020's to gain some extra concessions from the other B12 members---but I suspect the "The Mid 2020 Realignment Big Bang" is going to probably be a big bust.

I agree that smart scheduling can solve most of the bigger travel issues that might be potential issues with a larger footprint best of the rest type conference.

$50 million?

Yup. And that exit fee is completely separate and independent from the GOR. If does not run out in the mid-2020's. The exit fee has another 90 years or so before it lapses.

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

You can do unbalanced divisions without a waiver. Its just ungainly and results in more teams having an uneven number of conference games (some will have too many or too few--depending on how you decide to deal with the issue). Surprisingly, that imbalance of games is NOT against NCAA rules. That would be the last resort method of holding a CCG. I have a feeling we will go for a change in legislation providing a method for 10+ member conferences to have a divisionless CCG. If the Big10 is actually for having that option available (even if they opt not to use it)---then the thing could probably pass.

(07-10-2019 07:27 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

ESPN would be wise to say nothing and just prorate the payout to accommodate 11.

You can do unbalanced divisions, BTW. It's been done before by your very own league.

Why would ESPN be wise to let them stay at 11 and not say anything? Why pay the AAC the same for less? The CCG has value to them and you would be taking it away. lets be real here, ESPN calls the shots not the other way around.

No, the B1G never did unbalanced divisions. They didn't go to divisions or play a CCG until they went to 12 members with Nebraska.

(07-10-2019 07:45 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:27 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

ESPN would be wise to say nothing and just prorate the payout to accommodate 11.

You can do unbalanced divisions, BTW. It's been done before by your very own league.

Why would ESPN be wise to let them stay at 11 and not say anything? Why pay the AAC the same for less? The CCG has value to them and you would be taking it away. lets be real here, ESPN calls the shots not the other way around.

No, the B1G never did unbalanced divisions. They didn't go to divisions or play a CCG until they went to 12 members with Nebraska.

Yeah---I have my doubts thats going to happen. Aresco has said for sure there will likley be adjustments to the number of games sent to certain broadcast windows/networks due to the inventory changes. He said he hopes the payout will remain unchanged---but doesnt really know for sure how it will play out.

(07-10-2019 07:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

You can do unbalanced divisions without a waiver. Its just ungainly and results in more teams having an uneven number of conference games (some will have too many or too few--depending on how you decide to deal with the issue). Surprisingly, that imbalance of games is NOT against NCAA rules.

Unless the teams with 7 conference games play the same team twice ESPN could be losing content. If the 2 teams play an extra OOC game then any of those games that happen to be away are one less game ESPN gets under the AAC contract. I highly doubt every one of those open OOC games would always be AAC home games. Whats to keep USF or Temple (assuming the east is the one playing with 5 schools) from using that extra slot to make some extra money in a 1 off pay game in those years they only have 7 conference games?

(07-10-2019 07:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

You can do unbalanced divisions without a waiver. Its just ungainly and results in more teams having an uneven number of conference games (some will have too many or too few--depending on how you decide to deal with the issue). Surprisingly, that imbalance of games is NOT against NCAA rules.

Unless teams play the same team twice ESPN could be losing content. If the 2 teams with only 7 conference games play an extra OOC game then any of those games that happen to be away are one less game ESPN gets under the AAC contract. I highly doubt every one of those open OOC games would always be AAC home games. Whats to keep USF or Temple from using that extra slot to make some extra money in a 1 off pay game in those years they only have 7 conference games?

There is nothing that prevents them from doing that anyway. They could do all pay games for their OOC if they wanted to....they just have to play the minimum number of home games to stay in compliance with NCAA regs. The effect is the same.

(07-10-2019 07:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

You can do unbalanced divisions without a waiver. Its just ungainly and results in more teams having an uneven number of conference games (some will have too many or too few--depending on how you decide to deal with the issue). Surprisingly, that imbalance of games is NOT against NCAA rules.

Unless teams play the same team twice ESPN could be losing content. If the 2 teams with only 7 conference games play an extra OOC game then any of those games that happen to be away are one less game ESPN gets under the AAC contract. I highly doubt every one of those open OOC games would always be AAC home games. Whats to keep USF or Temple from using that extra slot to make some extra money in a 1 off pay game in those years they only have 7 conference games?

There is nothing that prevents them from doing that anyway. They could do all pay games for their OOC if they wanted to.

Yes, but those OOC games would be in place of guaranteed conference games. Conference games are guaranteed to be in the contract, OOC games are wild cards and can be on whatever channel the host team has a contract with. If for instance Temple uses that slot as a pay game against a B1G team thats one less game ESPN can air.

Staying at 11 is just a headache for all involved and just makes things messier than they need to be. FB works better with even #'s it just does.

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

The MAC had a waiver for nine years, five with Temple and four with UMass. IOW, they had waivers for just short of a decade.

(07-10-2019 08:02 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

You can do unbalanced divisions without a waiver. Its just ungainly and results in more teams having an uneven number of conference games (some will have too many or too few--depending on how you decide to deal with the issue). Surprisingly, that imbalance of games is NOT against NCAA rules.

Unless teams play the same team twice ESPN could be losing content. If the 2 teams with only 7 conference games play an extra OOC game then any of those games that happen to be away are one less game ESPN gets under the AAC contract. I highly doubt every one of those open OOC games would always be AAC home games. Whats to keep USF or Temple from using that extra slot to make some extra money in a 1 off pay game in those years they only have 7 conference games?

There is nothing that prevents them from doing that anyway. They could do all pay games for their OOC if they wanted to.

Yes, but those OOC games would be in place of guaranteed conference games. Conference games are guaranteed to be in the contract, OOC games are wild cards and can be on whatever channel the host team has a contract with. If for instance Temple uses that slot as a pay game against a B1G team thats one less game ESPN can air.

Staying at 11 is just a headache for all involved and just makes things messier than they need to be. FB works better with even #'s it just does.

5 games a year per team are all thats guaranteed. Frankly, UConn football home games were probably of fairly limited value. I'd think the ESPN folks would be way less concerned with the missing UConn football games and way more concerned about the loss of the UConn basketball inventory.

(06-28-2019 01:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  No MWC school will go to the AAC as a football only. The fans at SDSU and Boise hated the idea of a downgrade in basketball to the Big West.

The AAC isnt even a downgrade to the MWC in basketball, let alone the trash in the Big West

(07-09-2019 02:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 02:24 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

“Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Thats a weak argument coming from a guy in a conference that stretches from Syracuse NY to Miami FL.

Same timezone, bub.

(07-09-2019 02:44 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 02:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 02:24 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

“Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

Thats a weak argument coming from a guy in a conference that stretches from Syracuse NY to Miami FL.

Same timezone, bub.

Two time zones don't seem to be hurting the B1G or the SEC. Also time zones don't effect how long you're sitting on a plane. 3+ hours is still 3+ hours.

But it does affect jet lag. Also geography doesnt hurt as much when you make $20 million more a season than the AAC

(07-10-2019 07:45 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:27 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

ESPN would be wise to say nothing and just prorate the payout to accommodate 11.

You can do unbalanced divisions, BTW. It's been done before by your very own league.

Why would ESPN be wise to let them stay at 11 and not say anything? Why pay the AAC the same for less? The CCG has value to them and you would be taking it away. lets be real here, ESPN calls the shots not the other way around.

No, the B1G never did unbalanced divisions. They didn't go to divisions or play a CCG until they went to 12 members with Nebraska.

ESPN would be keeping UConn's share. Also, you can scrap divisions and just play 8 of 10 schools on rotation, taking the top two for the title game.

(07-10-2019 05:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 12:50 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Hey guys! Normally I post on the SEC pages, but I perused this thread and didn't see one school mentioned that I am intrigued by. I think I'll get alot of backlash, but I want to toss it out and see what others think or why its not being brought up more. I'm mentioning it sincerely, not because of any bias against the AAC or anything like that. I know that the AAC probably sees itself above this school's conference but honestly:

Why not Georgia St?

Football field at old Turner field, enrollment in 2017-2018 was in the top 10 in the country, some basketball success, growing school and influence in Atlanta, fits right in the middle of the gap between Cincy, Memphis, Tulane and the U_F schools.

They also went 5-3 in conference 2 out of the last 4 years in football, so not super awful.

Again, please understand my approach. Not trying to belittle the AAC, not a huge Georgia St. fan. Just trying to figure out perception.

Too new. No history. No record of success.

They aren't going to take some school nobody outside that state has ever heard of.

They're the type of school CUSA would fill in with, not the AAC.

Georgia State is similar in size to the Florida twins, but it's in a better position than USF in 2003. I'd say they're almost as much of a slam dunk as UCF in 2011.

USF was only 3 years removed from D1-AA and played in an off-campus stadium. UCF had football success but is a much younger and less prestigious academic institution than GSU.

And Georgia State is in freaking Atlanta, the fastest growing major city in the country. Atlanta is also football crazy - it's probably the biggest CFB market in the country.

(07-11-2019 08:07 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  And Georgia State is in freaking Atlanta, the fastest growing major city in the country. Atlanta is also football crazy - it's probably the biggest CFB market in the country.

Also about as easy to fly in and out of as a city can be. Georgia State is one of a couple of schools that probably deserve a very close look.

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:49 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end we will politely say thanks but no thanks and stay at 11. It makes perfect sense, act like the B12 if you want to be P6.

Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

That is going to change next year when they moved the HQ to Dallas. The conference inherited RI follow the BE break up and waited on the lease to run out. The conference BB CCG will be moving to Frisco, TX for the next 3 years. I doubt it will be held in a northern location afterwards.

There is no coincidence that all the breaking stories from the conference come out of the media outlets in Memphis, TX or Florida.

(07-11-2019 09:06 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 08:07 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  And Georgia State is in freaking Atlanta, the fastest growing major city in the country. Atlanta is also football crazy - it's probably the biggest CFB market in the country.

Also about as easy to fly in and out of as a city can be. Georgia State is one of a couple of schools that probably deserve a very close look.

IMO, Georgia State has a lot of potential, but they are too much of a "project" right now. They need to marinate in the Sun Belt for 5 or so more years so we can see how much that potential can be realized.

The big problem of course is football. GS averages about 16k in home attendance, that is barely FBS level and nowhere near where we want the AAC to be.

Yes, Atlanta is college football crazy, but it's already college football saturated too - it's in a thoroughly SEC state with Georgia as the Big Banana, and what isn't Georgia is swept up by Georgia Tech. These fans are also used to Big Time football. It may be hard to interest fans who are used to Georgia, and sometimes Georgia Tech, constantly playing big games versus other national powers to get excited about matchups like Georgia State vs Memphis.

So there may not be a lot of room for the Georgia Southerns and Georgia States to grow much beyond what they are. At the least, they have to prove it first.

(07-10-2019 08:02 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 07:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 06:59 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Cool and how do you expect to get the same amount of money when you tell ESPN they aren't getting their CCG to fill the noon slot on ESPN during championship weekend? You can't play a CCG with 11 members.

The MAC had a waiver for 2 or 3 years as they had 13 after taking in homeless Temple. The rest of the conferences saw that as charitable work by them and gave them the waiver. They wont give one to the AAC for longer than the MAC got just so they can stand pat and wait for the Big XII to implode. Thats not really a sound plan it's more like hopeful thinking.

The AAC will need that 12th body and ESPN will remind them of that. Just wait until all members are in Rhode Island for the clambake* and you'll see some leaks of looking into a 12th member.

*Really? A southern based conference does it's conference meetings at a clambake in Rhode Island? Uh okay

You can do unbalanced divisions without a waiver. Its just ungainly and results in more teams having an uneven number of conference games (some will have too many or too few--depending on how you decide to deal with the issue). Surprisingly, that imbalance of games is NOT against NCAA rules.

Unless teams play the same team twice ESPN could be losing content. If the 2 teams with only 7 conference games play an extra OOC game then any of those games that happen to be away are one less game ESPN gets under the AAC contract. I highly doubt every one of those open OOC games would always be AAC home games. Whats to keep USF or Temple from using that extra slot to make some extra money in a 1 off pay game in those years they only have 7 conference games?

There is nothing that prevents them from doing that anyway. They could do all pay games for their OOC if they wanted to.

Yes, but those OOC games would be in place of guaranteed conference games. Conference games are guaranteed to be in the contract, OOC games are wild cards and can be on whatever channel the host team has a contract with. If for instance Temple uses that slot as a pay game against a B1G team thats one less game ESPN can air.

Staying at 11 is just a headache for all involved and just makes things messier than they need to be. FB works better with even #'s it just does.

Yeah so ESPN currently has rights to a bunch of worthless UConn games. In place of the conference road trips to UConn, AAC members could schedule 1 additional home game, each having a 97% chance (sorry UTEP, UL-Monroe, and a third of the FCS teams) of being a better matchup than UConn.