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(07-06-2019 10:24 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  7m +(CBSsports Navy tier and CBS OTA basketball) + 2m CFP + NCAA credits, + about 1m in bowls = +11m

Is this actually what the AAC has been making annually? An extra 4 million from bowls and playoff credits? Is that based on numbers they've previously reported or is that your personal projection?
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(07-07-2019 01:21 AM)scoscox Wrote:  Except UConn will also reportedly save 2 million on travel and has apparently already sold another million in new season tickets. That gets them up into the 9-10 million range on the deal. The Big East pays out about 1 million per year in NCAA credits or something in that range. And on top of that they don't have to produce their own events and their fans don't have to pay extra to watch their games. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where they earn more out of the Big East.

The money difference is negligible. Some optimistic projections could have UConn coming out ahead, some pessimistic projections have them losing a little revenue. Either way I don't think it was the driving factor in the move. UConn's AD has said as much.

They aren't getting big east credits from before they were there and barring another Nova run I doubt they will be racking up credits like they were before.

Season tickets you say? How those football ticket sales going? We're comparing apples and apples here. Ticket revenue wasn't on the table.

That 2m? Its bs. How close are Denver women's lacrosse and Omaha (for every sport)?

This is old hat about production cost and several threads on here have the info debunking it.

Optimistic projections have them losing a little money, realistic ones have them going more broke and dropping football to try and get its budget under control.
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(07-07-2019 01:25 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(07-06-2019 10:24 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  7m +(CBSsports Navy tier and CBS OTA basketball) + 2m CFP + NCAA credits, + about 1m in bowls = +11m

Is this actually what the AAC has been making annually? An extra 4 million from bowls and playoff credits? Is that based on numbers they've previously reported or is that your personal projection?

The CFP pay out last season was 24m for the AAC. Other bowls were around 700k, but Aresco has stated our pay out on bowls will increase with the new bowl cycle. Dividing by 11 instead of 12 means an increased pay out by even more, but those numbers are based on 12 teams. So it's about 10m for football stuff with media and around another million based on NCAA credits.
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My man, the Big East is gonna be good as hell next year.

Ticket revenue wasn't on the table because remaining American teams aren't affected, but UConn's will be affected by changing conferences. Added ticket revenue is something they'll benefit from by moving. I could also add that their AD and Pres reported reinvigorated donations as a result of the move as well. Impossible to know an exact amount there, but I'm sure it's not insignificant.

2 million is hardly BS. Total travel in the Big East is almost exactly half of what it was for them in the American. They spent 7 million in the American. 2 million less for half the miles seems reasonable. All of a sudden, half of their away games are bus rides instead of flights. And yes they'll still be saving significantly more only having 1 trip by the women's lacrosse team out to denver rather than multiple trips by all their sports to texas multiple times a year.

Debunking what? Are you denying that they'll have to produce their own events? That will cost money whether it's 400k to 1 million.

optimistic projections have them earning more
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing

not to mention the likelihood that the Big East contract gets renegotiated for more money in a few years.
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(07-07-2019 01:25 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(07-06-2019 10:24 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  7m +(CBSsports Navy tier and CBS OTA basketball) + 2m CFP + NCAA credits, + about 1m in bowls = +11m

Is this actually what the AAC has been making annually? An extra 4 million from bowls and playoff credits? Is that based on numbers they've previously reported or is that your personal projection?

Honestly, who makes more is a loaded question when you compare payouts---mainly because there are all sorts of factors that can affect these payouts. Teams within the same conference dont all get the same payout and it can vary wildly. Im just going to use the average team payout based on the 2016 AAC and Big East Form 990 Tax Filings. One odd note---despite the fact that the AAC sold the Big East name and rebranded under the AAC name, its apparently still filing its taxes under the original corporate charter name (Big East).



The AAC 2016 990 forms indicates that the average all sports member of the AAC received 5.42 million.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf...06_990.pdf


The average Big East member received 3.57 million.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf...06_990.pdf


Something to keep in mind----Its obvious that in 2016 that the realignment fund was still making large distributions to UConn, Cinci, and USF. That probably skews the AAC average upward. If I take UConn, USF, and Cinci (the teams that got the vast majority of these payouts) out of the calculations, the AAC average drops to $4.38 million per team.

Something I think Quo might find interesting. I was surprised to learn Val Ackerman makes over a million ($1,130,769). Of course, thats still less than Aresco makes ($1,792,033).
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Val is worth every penny imo. She's done an amazing job
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(07-07-2019 01:54 AM)scoscox Wrote:  My man, the Big East is gonna be good as hell next year.

Ticket revenue wasn't on the table because remaining American teams aren't affected, but UConn's will be affected by changing conferences. Added ticket revenue is something they'll benefit from by moving. I could also add that their AD and Pres reported reinvigorated donations as a result of the move as well. Impossible to know an exact amount there, but I'm sure it's not insignificant.

2 million is hardly BS. Total travel in the Big East is almost exactly half of what it was for them in the American. They spent 7 million in the American. 2 million less for half the miles seems reasonable. All of a sudden, half of their away games are bus rides instead of flights. And yes they'll still be saving significantly more only having 1 trip by the women's lacrosse team out to denver rather than multiple trips by all their sports to texas multiple times a year.

Debunking what? Are you denying that they'll have to produce their own events? That will cost money whether it's 400k to 1 million.

optimistic projections have them earning more
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing

not to mention the likelihood that the Big East contract gets renegotiated for more money in a few years.

Im curious as to how much the travel budget really changes. As I pointed out before---I dont know how anyone can figure the savings when two thirds of the football travel opponents are completely unknown. Additionally, the one third of the schedule we know (the OOC schedule)---is staying exactly the same.

Basketball is similar. The entire OOC schedule (roughly a third of the games) isnt changing at all (this will be basically true of every sport that has an OOC). The real travel burden for UConn had to be those Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, Wichita, and SMU games. UCF and USF perhaps to a lesser degree. Philly and ECU werent too bad. Cincy and Memphis are a wash since they will be roughly similar to traveling to Xavier anyway. But UConn will still be going to Indiana, Nebraska, Illinois, and Wisconsin---so its not like the travel is going to all be bus trips.

Here's the math Im looking at. A two million dollar savings is almost a one third savings on the entire 7 million dollar travel budget. One third of the schedule is not changing. Thus, the cost of the remaining travel budget has to fall by about 50% to get that 2 million in savings. Also, Im assuming food, meals, and lodging are also included in the travel budget (those significant costs may or may not vary nearly as much as the airline costs with this change). Im curious to see if they can do it.

One other thing, on that optimistic projection, I notice the spreadsheet is slotting in money from third tier rights. The contract UConn signed transferred the rights to ALL varsity sporting events to the Big East. Unless there is some other side agreement, any money from the sale of UConn basketball rights to SNY will go to the conference to be shared with all its members (assuming FOX doesnt have rights to those games). Best I can tell, the only thing UConn has left to sell is the football rights and the local radio rights to all sports.
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(07-07-2019 02:16 AM)scoscox Wrote:  Val is worth every penny imo. She's done an amazing job

Yes, arguably the best conference commissioner during the past seven years. Awesome.

She's been 3x as effective as say Aresco has been, while making less than 3x the public media noise.
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The most important thing for UConn at this point is getting the men’s basketball team good again.

No matter how the money shakes out, they decided they are a basketball school and want to play in a conference where basketball is priority number one. There is excitement and they are selling tickets and receiving donations. But all that will dry up quickly if they keep finishing 9th.

I think Hurley will get it done, but time will tell.
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(07-07-2019 01:51 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 01:25 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(07-06-2019 10:24 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  7m +(CBSsports Navy tier and CBS OTA basketball) + 2m CFP + NCAA credits, + about 1m in bowls = +11m

Is this actually what the AAC has been making annually? An extra 4 million from bowls and playoff credits? Is that based on numbers they've previously reported or is that your personal projection?

The CFP pay out last season was 24m for the AAC. Other bowls were around 700k, but Aresco has stated our pay out on bowls will increase with the new bowl cycle. Dividing by 11 instead of 12 means an increased pay out by even more, but those numbers are based on 12 teams. So it's about 10m for football stuff with media and around another million based on NCAA credits.

Aresco says a lot of useless nonsense. The guy is the most overpaid employee in the nation.
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Coog,

As for football, the least we know is that they won’t be playing any American teams. I think it’s probably safe to assume they’ll play more local teams that are lower level, which is probably a significant cost savings, but we don’t know.

As for the rest, half of their conference away games are now a bus ride instead of flight for all sports. Probably another decent chunk of change. Maybe not two million but that doesn’t seem to crazy to me and I’m not sure why the UConn AD and Pres would lie about that estimate

Lastly, that’s not my personal estimate I got it from another source, but like I said it’s optimistic, so things like 3rd tier rights may come back less than what he projected. We really don’t know how that’s gonna work out yet. I’d imagine Fox will want to be accommodating as much as they can to UConn.

Chappy,
You’re right that it wasn’t really about the money. Again, their AD has said as much.
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(07-07-2019 09:42 AM)scoscox Wrote:  Coog,

As for football, the least we know is that they won’t be playing any American teams. I think it’s probably safe to assume they’ll play more local teams that are lower level, which is probably a significant cost savings, but we don’t know.

As for the rest, half of their conference away games are now a bus ride instead of flight for all sports. Probably another decent chunk of change. Maybe not two million but that doesn’t seem to crazy to me and I’m not sure why the UConn AD and Pres would lie about that estimate

Lastly, that’s not my personal estimate I got it from another source, but like I said it’s optimistic, so things like 3rd tier rights may come back less than what he projected. We really don’t know how that’s gonna work out yet. I’d imagine Fox will want to be accommodating as much as they can to UConn.

Chappy,
You’re right that it wasn’t really about the money. Again, their AD has said as much.

That isn't some source lol, it's just a document someone made.

Is this what are educational system is coming too? I can go make a Google doc right now that says they will lose 50m.

I want to point out yet again some obvious mistakes.

2.2m is the old contract, which is over this year. UConn is losing out on the new media deal which is probably around 7.5m (84m ESPN and probably another 4-5 m CBSsports "Navy tier" 2-3m from CBS OTA basketball).

UConn did not send every sport to UCF or Houston or Tulsa. Some of those sports the teams don't play and in football and basketball the schedules are unbalanced meaning they don't play them at all or they play them once.

Temple, ECU, Cincinnati are all a wash when it comes to travel for the big east. There are three teams extremely close in Providence, St John's, and Seaton Hall. There are also mandatory trips to Milwaukee, Omaha, Chicago, and Butler because the Big East plays a true round robin.

UConn will now send its women's lacrosse team to Denver....

Independents for football usually have some of the highest travel costs and it's much more expensive in moving equipment and number of people compared to Olympic sports with fewer people and no shoulderpads.

Finally the Big East is not be getting more money in its media deal, they had a pro rata clause (the contract will pay the same individual rate to each member) for up to 12. It seems unlikely they will get a raise when the contract is up in 2025/2026, their ratings are sometimes under 100k. The Big East is desperate to attract eyes right now which is why they pushed for UConn hard a large public school. There are also no third tier rights in the Big East deal. They get 5 women's basketball games.


As far as the AAC deal goes and producing events, this 1m or 2m or I am sure 3m soon, cost has been debunked many times. Rider manages to do it just fine, as do the MAC and CUSA teams (whose main deal is with CBSsports) and their total media pay outs are well under a million per team.

North Alabama has a budget of 8-9m and aren't complaining about the costs in a leage that pays them nothing so obviously they aren't paying a million dollars to produce (or even 400k).
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(07-07-2019 09:31 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 01:51 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 01:25 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(07-06-2019 10:24 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  7m +(CBSsports Navy tier and CBS OTA basketball) + 2m CFP + NCAA credits, + about 1m in bowls = +11m

Is this actually what the AAC has been making annually? An extra 4 million from bowls and playoff credits? Is that based on numbers they've previously reported or is that your personal projection?

The CFP pay out last season was 24m for the AAC. Other bowls were around 700k, but Aresco has stated our pay out on bowls will increase with the new bowl cycle. Dividing by 11 instead of 12 means an increased pay out by even more, but those numbers are based on 12 teams. So it's about 10m for football stuff with media and around another million based on NCAA credits.

Aresco says a lot of useless nonsense. The guy is the most overpaid employee in the nation.

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(07-07-2019 10:27 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 09:42 AM)scoscox Wrote:  Coog,

As for football, the least we know is that they won’t be playing any American teams. I think it’s probably safe to assume they’ll play more local teams that are lower level, which is probably a significant cost savings, but we don’t know.

As for the rest, half of their conference away games are now a bus ride instead of flight for all sports. Probably another decent chunk of change. Maybe not two million but that doesn’t seem to crazy to me and I’m not sure why the UConn AD and Pres would lie about that estimate

Lastly, that’s not my personal estimate I got it from another source, but like I said it’s optimistic, so things like 3rd tier rights may come back less than what he projected. We really don’t know how that’s gonna work out yet. I’d imagine Fox will want to be accommodating as much as they can to UConn.

Chappy,
You’re right that it wasn’t really about the money. Again, their AD has said as much.

That isn't some source lol, it's just a document someone made.

Is this what are educational system is coming too? I can go make a Google doc right now that says they will lose 50m.

I want to point out yet again some obvious mistakes.

2.2m is the old contract, which is over this year. UConn is losing out on the new media deal which is probably around 7.5m (84m ESPN and probably another 4-5 m CBSsports "Navy tier" 2-3m from CBS OTA basketball).

UConn did not send every sport to UCF or Houston or Tulsa. Some of those sports the teams don't play and in football and basketball the schedules are unbalanced meaning they don't play them at all or they play them once.

Temple, ECU, Cincinnati are all a wash when it comes to travel for the big east. There are three teams extremely close in Providence, St John's, and Seaton Hall. There are also mandatory trips to Milwaukee, Omaha, Chicago, and Butler because the Big East plays a true round robin.

UConn will now send its women's lacrosse team to Denver....

Independents for football usually have some of the highest travel costs and it's much more expensive in moving equipment and number of people compared to Olympic sports with fewer people and no shoulderpads.

Finally the Big East is not be getting more money in its media deal, they had a pro rata clause (the contract will pay the same individual rate to each member) for up to 12. It seems unlikely they will get a raise when the contract is up in 2025/2026, their ratings are sometimes under 100k. The Big East is desperate to attract eyes right now which is why they pushed for UConn hard a large public school. There are also no third tier rights in the Big East deal. They get 5 women's basketball games.


As far as the AAC deal goes and producing events, this 1m or 2m or I am sure 3m soon, cost has been debunked many times. Rider manages to do it just fine, as do the MAC and CUSA teams (whose main deal is with CBSsports) and their total media pay outs are well under a million per team.

North Alabama has a budget of 8-9m and aren't complaining about the costs in a leage that pays them nothing so obviously they aren't paying a million dollars to produce (or even 400k).

A few points:

The travel issues were a legitimate concern for UConn in the AAC, and the move to the Big East substantially helps with that. UConn spent over $7 million annually on travel costs alone; when you are one of two NE programs in a predominantly Southern-based conference, it doesn't matter whether it is to Tulsa or Orlando or Houston or New Orleans or Tampa or Dallas or Wichita or New Orleans, a majority of road trips incurred significantly travel costs and time for their athletic programs. You highlight Denver being a travel problem for UConn; Denver is in one sport in the Big East (Lacrosse), and they are one of the top programs nationally in that sport. The furthest full-member (Creighton) has a top-10 attendance figure for men's basketball annually. The third closest city for UConn in the AAC (Cincinnati) will now become the sixth furthest in the BE. The lone isolated long-distance trips in the Big East are clearly worth it to UConn because of the value those programs provide, which clearly the same could not be said about the distant programs for them in the AAC.

The average payout of the new AAC TV deal will be $7 million on average annually; it is an escalating deal where it will be over $7 million near the end of the deal, which means it likely starts off lower at the start. With what UConn was making with the prior AAC TV, along with the BE divorce war chest payments, UConn was actually making the same amount as the last Big East TV deal. However, since the war chest payments concluded, along with the terms of the new AAC TV deal released, UConn was definitely going to be taking a noticeable pay cut in terms of future payouts (which would have been locked-in until the early 2030's). There were many other factors that encouraged UConn to make a move when it did - the reputation and perception of AAC basketball was simply not at the same level of the Big East, its conference tournament was averaging incredibly small crowds, no other team made a significant run in the tournament other than Houston this year in five years, the AAC blocked the SNY revenues/exposure for UConn, its conference headquarters was being moved to Dallas (from Providence), a significant amount of its content was being moved to ESPN+ behind a pay wall and there will be new production costs for host AAC programs to distribute through ESPN. If recent reports about the Big East's new contract with Fox are true, not only will the average value be higher than the AAC again, but the expenses will have been significantly cut as well (again without football). Furthermore, the Big East's contract is for basketball-only (not all sports like the AAC); so, in terms of value and ROI, it is a much better deal for UConn.

To your comment about North Alabama, which was an FCS independent last year, played all but two games in the Southeast last year (six games in the state of Alabama). Even they were able to keep their travel costs down being an independent. Now as a member of the Big South, they still play all their games in the Southeast region (Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia). UConn has had one NE opponent (Temple), one Midwest opponent (Cincinnati), four Southeast opponents (ECU, Tulane, UCF, USF) and four Southwest opponents (Houston, SMU, Wichita, Tulsa). That comparison is not accurate for travel purposes at all.
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Forever,

I don’t understand what you’re not getting. I clearly said you could make projections of them losing or gaining money depending on your perspective. I merely cited one guys optimistic projection. At this point, there are still too many unknowns to know who is right. At best we can say the difference in money either way won’t be significant.

As to your other points, the guys first column is revenues for next year which is why he still lists the 2.2 figure. The second column is for the years when the new deal goes into effect.

The travel point is tiresome. Travel will be significantly less in the big east. This is just objectively true and I’m tired of arguing it. One trip by one team every year to Denver doesn’t change that. Basically it’s an added non conference game.

Again this is your pessimistic view of the move as opposed to some more optimistic projections. No one knows what the contract will be. You think we’ll receive less money, I think we’ll receive more. Everything gets less viewers on fs1. The ratings are basically the same for pac-12 games and not much more for the big ten.

The production costs that guy cites are what he found from numbers from pac-12 teams producing events for the pac-12 network. I’m assuming those are professional level productions and high quality. If you want north Texas level productions I’m sure it’ll be much cheaper. Again, take whichever side you want to take on that.

Todge,

you’re absolutely correct it’s gotta be Larry Scott hands down
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(07-07-2019 07:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 02:16 AM)scoscox Wrote:  Val is worth every penny imo. She's done an amazing job

Yes, arguably the best conference commissioner during the past seven years. Awesome.

She's been 3x as effective as say Aresco has been, while making less than 3x the public media noise.

This cannot be stressed enough.

Val has been one of the top commissioners in college sports since 2013. Every thing she has helped oversee for the BE has led to an increase in value and perception for the conference (which the same cannot be said for Mike Aresco). She has done so while intentionally not demanding respect/acknowledgement as a power conference, and without a full-blown advertising campaign that has certainly had its fair share of detractors that have mocked it.

One cannot help but wonder had the Big East hired Val instead of Aresco in 2012 and how things would have shaken out.
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(07-07-2019 09:31 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 01:51 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 01:25 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(07-06-2019 10:24 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  7m +(CBSsports Navy tier and CBS OTA basketball) + 2m CFP + NCAA credits, + about 1m in bowls = +11m

Is this actually what the AAC has been making annually? An extra 4 million from bowls and playoff credits? Is that based on numbers they've previously reported or is that your personal projection?

The CFP pay out last season was 24m for the AAC. Other bowls were around 700k, but Aresco has stated our pay out on bowls will increase with the new bowl cycle. Dividing by 11 instead of 12 means an increased pay out by even more, but those numbers are based on 12 teams. So it's about 10m for football stuff with media and around another million based on NCAA credits.

Aresco says a lot of useless nonsense. The guy is the most overpaid employee in the nation.

I think we can count on that particular prediction being true--I'd expect every conferences' bowl payout to go up at least a little bit every cycle. (With exceptions for seismic events like the BCS Big East to G5 AAC transition)
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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
(07-07-2019 11:48 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 07:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-07-2019 02:16 AM)scoscox Wrote:  Val is worth every penny imo. She's done an amazing job

Yes, arguably the best conference commissioner during the past seven years. Awesome.

She's been 3x as effective as say Aresco has been, while making less than 3x the public media noise.

This cannot be stressed enough.

Disagree. I respect Ackerman as an executive etc., but she's more an ornament than an asset to the Big East. We get to say we have the ex-USA Basketball president as our commissioner, and that's a pretty cool thing.

But Ackerman isn't the reason for the TV contract, or the MSG tournament, or Jay Wright winning two titles. The TV contract and the tournament were settled before she was hired.

Quote:Val has been one of the top commissioners in college sports since 2013. Every thing she has helped oversee for the BE has led to an increase in value and perception for the conference (which the same cannot be said for Mike Aresco). She has done so while intentionally not demanding respect/acknowledgement as a power conference, and without a full-blown advertising campaign that has certainly had its fair share of detractors that have mocked it.

We don't NEED that sort of ad campaign. We simply HAVE the respect, being a basketball power conference in the eyes of the tournament committee, most of the media, the basketball world. We don't NEED to change our perception in people's eyes to separate ourselves from near-peer leagues.

Quote:One cannot help but wonder had the Big East hired Val instead of Aresco in 2012 and how things would have shaken out.

I really don't think it would have made a difference. Threads would be trashing Ackerman as an incompetent blowhard, and marvelling at Aresco's smooth professionalism.

Most of the focus is on football. So let's use a football analogy. Aresco is down a couple of touchdowns in the fourth quarter, so he is obliged to make high-risk, high-reward moves that often look foolish. But the alternative is to accept defeat.

Ackerman, on the other hand, is up by a couple of touchdowns. So she can play conservative, ball-control offense. To the point where, as long as you run down the play clock all the way, four-and-out is not the worst outcome.

One variable I do have to credit Ackerman for: the Big East is AMAZINGLY protected from a UConn defection, to the tune of $30M.
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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
Val has done lots of good things. She got us into the Big Ten and Big 12 challenges, got UConn back into the fold, extended MSG, etc. Regardless of how much influence you think she had in those decisions, she should at least get credit for executing them successfully.
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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
(07-07-2019 12:19 PM)scoscox Wrote:  Val has done lots of good things. She got us into the Big Ten and Big 12 challenges, got UConn back into the fold, extended MSG, etc. Regardless of how much influence you think she had in those decisions, she should at least get credit for executing them successfully.

she fended off the Big 10 from MSG didn't she?
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