He likes to be able to criticize others from the safety of anonymity so he never has to take any in return. That is why he’ll never admit which school he is actually a fan/alumni of which most likely means some tiny D3 school like Southwestern

(07-04-2019 01:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 09:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Sounds like UNT is trying to impress the AAC.

Sounds like Houston is trying to impress the XII.

North Texas is doing what it can with the hand we have. Our location, size, and strong regional economy provide nice us some nice advantages. We are increasing pay, budgets, and building facilities to rapidly overcoming years of neglect by past administrations.

Like other G5 programs, we are trying to build the best program we can, and let the chips fall where the may. It's still early, but according to 247Sports, North Texas currently has the top ranked recruiting class among all G5 programs for 2020. I'm sure the numbers will change by February, but it does show the improvement in recruiting, and is a testament to new higher standards at UNT.

52. North Texas
55. Western Michigan
57. Cincinnati
59. LA Tech
61. Bowling Green

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...mRankings/

Ummm. Memphis was 4 spots higher at #48.

(07-04-2019 05:38 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 01:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 09:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Sounds like UNT is trying to impress the AAC.

Sounds like Houston is trying to impress the XII.

North Texas is doing what it can with the hand we have. Our location, size, and strong regional economy provide nice us some nice advantages. We are increasing pay, budgets, and building facilities to rapidly overcoming years of neglect by past administrations.

Like other G5 programs, we are trying to build the best program we can, and let the chips fall where the may. It's still early, but according to 247Sports, North Texas currently has the top ranked recruiting class among all G5 programs for 2020. I'm sure the numbers will change by February, but it does show the improvement in recruiting, and is a testament to new higher standards at UNT.

52. North Texas
55. Western Michigan
57. Cincinnati
59. LA Tech
61. Bowling Green

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...mRankings/

Ummm. Memphis was 4 spots higher at #48.

Totally missed that. I fixed it in my post. Thanks.

(07-04-2019 05:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  He likes to be able to criticize others from the safety of anonymity so he never has to take any in return. That is why he’ll never admit which school he is actually a fan/alumni of which most likely means some tiny D3 school like Southwestern

You 100% nailed it, 10th

(07-04-2019 05:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  He likes to be able to criticize others from the safety of anonymity so he never has to take any in return. That is why he’ll never admit which school he is actually a fan/alumni of which most likely means some tiny D3 school like Southwestern

It's UT.

(07-04-2019 08:22 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 11:27 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  $1.8+ million in guaranteed annual salary and bonuses, with a one year extension through the 2023 season. If no other G5 contracts are signed by opening day of the season, Littrell will earn more than every coach in C-USA, the MAC, the Sun Belt, the MWC, and all but 4 in the AAC.

Go Mean Green!

1. Houston (Holgerson) $4 million
2. Memphis (Norvell) $2.6 million
--USF (Strong) 2.5 million
3. Navy (Niumatalolo) $2.163 million
4. Cincinnati (Fickell) $2 millon
5. North Texas (Littrell) $1.8+ million
6. Colorado State (Bobo) $1.8 million
7. UCF (Heupel) $1.7 million
8. Boise State (Harsin) $1.65 million
9. Tulane (Fritz) $1.629 million
10. Fresno State (Tedford) $1.55 million

https://dentonrc.com/sports/breaking-lit...c2314.html

Your list is wrong. Charlie Strong makes 2.5M at USF. This is per his contract which is easily accessible via a simple google search.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../95385694/

The amount jumps to $2.5 million in 2019, basically coinciding with the scheduled end of Strong’s payments from Texas, then goes to $2.6 million and $2.7 million for the last two years.

Thanks. I didn't know about Strong's contract. I updated the post.

You're welcome. 1.8m is a hefty salary for CUSA.

(07-04-2019 05:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  He likes to be able to criticize others from the safety of anonymity so he never has to take any in return. That is why he’ll never admit which school he is actually a fan/alumni of which most likely means some tiny D3 school like Southwestern

I find that ironic considering you graduated from TCU and crap all over the Big 12.

Glass houses

(07-04-2019 08:55 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 05:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  He likes to be able to criticize others from the safety of anonymity so he never has to take any in return. That is why he’ll never admit which school he is actually a fan/alumni of which most likely means some tiny D3 school like Southwestern

You 100% nailed it, 10th

Don't be fooled. He hates UH like he hates Texas Tech. Some think TCU is a better choice for the SEC over Tech and UH.

Fortunately, aggy alumni mail is addressed to a different household member.

(07-04-2019 04:55 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 01:56 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Westlake is an Austin suburb

Todd Dodge is their coach

Ah, West Lake Hills. You mean Todge is the varsity FB coach for Westlake High? http://www.westlakenation.com/teams/fb

Hard to believe, but if true, then it would seem his sig is indeed used ironically, because the bio indicates he went to UT.

my bio does not indicate that at all

(07-05-2019 01:06 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 04:55 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 01:56 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Westlake is an Austin suburb

Todd Dodge is their coach

Ah, West Lake Hills. You mean Todge is the varsity FB coach for Westlake High? http://www.westlakenation.com/teams/fb

Hard to believe, but if true, then it would seem his sig is indeed used ironically, because the bio indicates he went to UT.

my bio does not indicate that at all

Well, where did you go then?

(07-03-2019 09:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  1. Houston (Holgerson) $4 million
2. Memphis (Norvell) $2.6 million
3. USF (Strong) 2.5 million
4. Cincinnati (Fickell) $2.4 millon
5. Navy (Niumatalolo) $2.163 million
6. North Texas (Littrell) $1.8+ million
7. Colorado State (Bobo) $1.8 million
8. UCF (Heupel) $1.7 million
9. Boise State (Harsin) $1.65 million
10. Tulane (Fritz) $1.629

So the American has the Top 5 and seven of the Top 10.

You don't say...

(07-05-2019 05:52 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  1. Houston (Holgerson) $4 million
2. Memphis (Norvell) $2.6 million
3. USF (Strong) 2.5 million
4. Cincinnati (Fickell) $2.4 millon
5. Navy (Niumatalolo) $2.163 million
6. North Texas (Littrell) $1.8+ million
7. Colorado State (Bobo) $1.8 million
8. UCF (Heupel) $1.7 million
9. Boise State (Harsin) $1.65 million
10. Tulane (Fritz) $1.629

So the American has the Top 5 and seven of the Top 10.

You don't say...

Strong was actually paid about $1m from USF in 2017 and 2018, as he was getting severance pay from Texas at the time. This year, and for the next three years, it does go up to $2.5m.

This past October, when USF was like 5-0, the St Pete Times ran a story saying Strong's deal was one of the best values in FBS. I have been skeptical of Strong since day one and wasn't buying the fluffy record based on what the prior coach had built and the weak schedule. The rest of the season confirmed my fears.

Hopefully, Strong will prove me wrong this season and going forward, but I am not optimistic. He has been a Strong recruiter, which is half of the ballgame. But the other half is actual coaching. There's a reason Texas was willing to pay him $10m in severance to be rid of him.

(07-04-2019 01:32 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 12:34 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  $1.8+ million in guaranteed annual salary and bonuses, with a one year extension through the 2023 season. If no other G5 contracts are signed by opening day of the season, Littrell will earn more than every coach in C-USA, the MAC, the Sun Belt, the MWC, and all but 4 in the AAC.

Go Mean Green!

1. Houston (Holgerson) $4 million
2. Memphis (Norvell) $2.6 million
3. Navy (Niumatalolo) $2.163 million
4. Cincinnati (Fickell) $2 millon
5. North Texas (Littrell) $1.8+ million
6. Colorado State (Bobo) $1.8 million
7. UCF (Heupel) $1.7 million
8. Boise State (Harsin) $1.65 million
9. Tulane (Fritz) $1.629 million
10. Fresno State (Tedford) $1.55 million

https://dentonrc.com/sports/breaking-lit...c2314.html

I appreciate the link but what does this have to do with major college realignment?

north Texas state is following the lead of uh thinking if they just spend a ton of academic money on sports they have a prayer of P5 inclusion in the future

Power Conference school invests in athletics ? Good , good, good....


G5 school invests in athletics? What the...? Where is this money coming from? Why aren't they building a library?

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(07-04-2019 06:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  $1.8+ million in guaranteed annual salary and bonuses, with a one year extension through the 2023 season.

That's a big investment in a coach with some good achievements (18-9 overall record) but also some significant question marks (blowout losses in 3 bowl/conference title games). A close look at his record leaves me to believe that he is very good at beating bad teams - not a slap, btw, that is an underrated ability - but struggles against those at the same level.

So IMO this kind of investment is a risky one, but hey, nothing ventured nothing gained.

It's an investment in "the job" at UNT

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(07-05-2019 12:14 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 05:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  He likes to be able to criticize others from the safety of anonymity so he never has to take any in return. That is why he’ll never admit which school he is actually a fan/alumni of which most likely means some tiny D3 school like Southwestern

I find that ironic considering you graduated from TCU and crap all over the Big 12.

Glass houses

Actually one has nothing to do with the other.

I’m super honest and admit I’m just an A&M fan when I could absolutely lie to everyone here and say I’m a grad and none of you would ever know otherwise. In fact I’m certain there are many on this board who do just that. But I choose to be honest about my affiliation in the name of fair discussion here. IE the exact opposite of what Todge does which is crapping all over others while refusing to tell us where he went, most likely because he went to a D3 school and no one would take his opinion seriously because of it.

But since you brought it up:

Remind us all, for those who don’t know, why your handle is P5PACSEC and wouldn’t cop to being a Tech fan until you were called out on it?

(07-05-2019 05:52 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  1. Houston (Holgerson) $4 million
2. Memphis (Norvell) $2.6 million
3. USF (Strong) 2.5 million
4. Cincinnati (Fickell) $2.4 millon
5. Navy (Niumatalolo) $2.163 million
6. North Texas (Littrell) $1.8+ million
7. Colorado State (Bobo) $1.8 million
8. UCF (Heupel) $1.7 million
9. Boise State (Harsin) $1.65 million
10. Tulane (Fritz) $1.629

So the American has the Top 5 and seven of the Top 10.

You don't say...

All of them are paying by 1.0 million+ over what is necessary to lure a high quality G5 coach.

(07-05-2019 10:45 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 01:32 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 12:34 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  $1.8+ million in guaranteed annual salary and bonuses, with a one year extension through the 2023 season. If no other G5 contracts are signed by opening day of the season, Littrell will earn more than every coach in C-USA, the MAC, the Sun Belt, the MWC, and all but 4 in the AAC.

Go Mean Green!

1. Houston (Holgerson) $4 million
2. Memphis (Norvell) $2.6 million
3. Navy (Niumatalolo) $2.163 million
4. Cincinnati (Fickell) $2 millon
5. North Texas (Littrell) $1.8+ million
6. Colorado State (Bobo) $1.8 million
7. UCF (Heupel) $1.7 million
8. Boise State (Harsin) $1.65 million
9. Tulane (Fritz) $1.629 million
10. Fresno State (Tedford) $1.55 million

https://dentonrc.com/sports/breaking-lit...c2314.html

I appreciate the link but what does this have to do with major college realignment?

north Texas state is following the lead of uh thinking if they just spend a ton of academic money on sports they have a prayer of P5 inclusion in the future

Power Conference school invests in athletics ? Good , good, good....


G5 school invests in athletics? What the...? Where is this money coming from? Why aren't they building a library?

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

actually P5 programs spending academic money on athletics is bad bad bad and every P5 member should be moving away from that

outside of the SEC SEC SEC the Big 12 is the conference that has the lowest academic subsidies (including student fees or required ticket purchases) and the Big 12 members are all trying to get theirs to zero sooner than later

the PAC 12 has some of the highest subsidies, but the ACC has the teams that on average have the most

the Big 10 does well, but they have a couple of outliers that should be ashamed that they have any at all much less as high as they are

really the SEC SEC SEC has a couple that should be ashamed as well, but that is just acceptable in most of their states so it is what it is

at some point the amounts that many G5s are spending will become an issue for them and it will probably happen relatively quickly when it starts to happen and it might even be set off by people looking at the P5 programs in their states first and asking why some of those have any academic money being spent

(07-05-2019 12:54 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 10:45 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 01:32 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 12:34 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  $1.8+ million in guaranteed annual salary and bonuses, with a one year extension through the 2023 season. If no other G5 contracts are signed by opening day of the season, Littrell will earn more than every coach in C-USA, the MAC, the Sun Belt, the MWC, and all but 4 in the AAC.

Go Mean Green!

1. Houston (Holgerson) $4 million
2. Memphis (Norvell) $2.6 million
3. Navy (Niumatalolo) $2.163 million
4. Cincinnati (Fickell) $2 millon
5. North Texas (Littrell) $1.8+ million
6. Colorado State (Bobo) $1.8 million
7. UCF (Heupel) $1.7 million
8. Boise State (Harsin) $1.65 million
9. Tulane (Fritz) $1.629 million
10. Fresno State (Tedford) $1.55 million

https://dentonrc.com/sports/breaking-lit...c2314.html

I appreciate the link but what does this have to do with major college realignment?

north Texas state is following the lead of uh thinking if they just spend a ton of academic money on sports they have a prayer of P5 inclusion in the future

Power Conference school invests in athletics ? Good , good, good....


G5 school invests in athletics? What the...? Where is this money coming from? Why aren't they building a library?

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

actually P5 programs spending academic money on athletics is bad bad bad and every P5 member should be moving away from that

outside of the SEC SEC SEC the Big 12 is the conference that has the lowest academic subsidies (including student fees or required ticket purchases) and the Big 12 members are all trying to get theirs to zero sooner than later

the PAC 12 has some of the highest subsidies, but the ACC has the teams that on average have the most

the Big 10 does well, but they have a couple of outliers that should be ashamed that they have any at all much less as high as they are

really the SEC SEC SEC has a couple that should be ashamed as well, but that is just acceptable in most of their states so it is what it is

at some point the amounts that many G5s are spending will become an issue for them and it will probably happen relatively quickly when it starts to happen and it might even be set off by people looking at the P5 programs in their states first and asking why some of those have any academic money being spent

So far the only 2 schools to move their FB down are UConn and Idaho over cost.

(07-05-2019 04:42 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 12:54 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 10:45 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 01:32 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 12:34 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  I appreciate the link but what does this have to do with major college realignment?

north Texas state is following the lead of uh thinking if they just spend a ton of academic money on sports they have a prayer of P5 inclusion in the future

Power Conference school invests in athletics ? Good , good, good....


G5 school invests in athletics? What the...? Where is this money coming from? Why aren't they building a library?

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

actually P5 programs spending academic money on athletics is bad bad bad and every P5 member should be moving away from that

outside of the SEC SEC SEC the Big 12 is the conference that has the lowest academic subsidies (including student fees or required ticket purchases) and the Big 12 members are all trying to get theirs to zero sooner than later

the PAC 12 has some of the highest subsidies, but the ACC has the teams that on average have the most

the Big 10 does well, but they have a couple of outliers that should be ashamed that they have any at all much less as high as they are

really the SEC SEC SEC has a couple that should be ashamed as well, but that is just acceptable in most of their states so it is what it is

at some point the amounts that many G5s are spending will become an issue for them and it will probably happen relatively quickly when it starts to happen and it might even be set off by people looking at the P5 programs in their states first and asking why some of those have any academic money being spent

So far the only 2 schools to move their FB down are UConn and Idaho over cost.

I think you might benefit from having a fact-checker review your posts before you submit.

(07-05-2019 04:42 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 12:54 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 10:45 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 01:32 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 12:34 AM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  I appreciate the link but what does this have to do with major college realignment?

north Texas state is following the lead of uh thinking if they just spend a ton of academic money on sports they have a prayer of P5 inclusion in the future

Power Conference school invests in athletics ? Good , good, good....


G5 school invests in athletics? What the...? Where is this money coming from? Why aren't they building a library?

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

actually P5 programs spending academic money on athletics is bad bad bad and every P5 member should be moving away from that

outside of the SEC SEC SEC the Big 12 is the conference that has the lowest academic subsidies (including student fees or required ticket purchases) and the Big 12 members are all trying to get theirs to zero sooner than later

the PAC 12 has some of the highest subsidies, but the ACC has the teams that on average have the most

the Big 10 does well, but they have a couple of outliers that should be ashamed that they have any at all much less as high as they are

really the SEC SEC SEC has a couple that should be ashamed as well, but that is just acceptable in most of their states so it is what it is

at some point the amounts that many G5s are spending will become an issue for them and it will probably happen relatively quickly when it starts to happen and it might even be set off by people looking at the P5 programs in their states first and asking why some of those have any academic money being spent

So far the only 2 schools to move their FB down are UConn and Idaho over cost.

last I checked UConn has not moved any sports down from D1-A perhaps you could link us to the article that reports that happening

and Idaho did not move down because of cost they moved won because they had a very poor administration that really has no clue and did not feel like caring about sports

it did not help that they had no conference and were far away from all the other independent programs....they were far from paying the high end of athletics subsidies or even being at the high end of the % of subsidy relative to total budget

plus there have been a ton pf programs that have dropped down or dropped football over time and that often happens in spurts when multiple teams decide they cannot compete or when conferences fall apart as they lose members

there are administrations in the AAC that have stated publicaly that their subsidies are not sustainable so that should say they are probably not sustainable