(06-27-2019 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 09:27 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:41 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  Army or UAB. I just don't believe any of the MW schools leave. BYU still believes it beneath them. Who else is left? I like out of the box unless its just a useless choice.

What's wrong with UAB? Last time I checked, they were behind both their football and basketball programs.

No value.

Right now with UConn we're getting $7M. Assume we don't have to renegotiate the contract. Without UConn, if we don't add anyone, we get $7.6M by cutting the same pie into larger pieces. If we add someone, then we get back to the $7M.

That $600k may not seem like much, but it could be the difference in keeping a top notch fb coordinator and also a top notch bb recruiter. It could be the difference in getting a solid replacement for Norvell (one of these days). It could go into a fb assistants pool to help turnover.

Still, I'm okay with adding someone and going back to $7M. If the someone adds some other value (really good at something, natural rivalries, great location, raises our conference profile, etc.). I cannot see anything that UAB adds that would be worth giving up $600k a year.

$600k is more than CUSA teams got in its deal before 2018, I believe ($200k?). Every dollar matters for all non power 5 institutions.

(06-27-2019 06:19 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:15 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  The NCAA will not allow you to have a D1 FB program in one conference, and a D1 men's BB program in a different conference per NCAA regs. NCAA regs explicitly prevent exactly the kinds of things that are being discussed, so its impossible.

I don't think that's still true. Or at least, I think the NCAA has relaxed exception parameters.

It is still true. If the Big East sponsored football then UConn could not park their football program in the AAC and Big East in hoops. When Temple football was in the Big East the first time their hoops program was in the A10. A conference has to sponsor both sports per that rule.

For starters, what you're saying is slightly different from the poster to whom I replied. He stated that you could not be D1 in two conferences - period. Obviously you can. The difference you're stating is one of the conferences has to NOT sponsor football.

So I'm not sure why we're having this discussion. I haven't seen any real proposals floated about splitting sports into 2 conferences where BOTH conferences sponsored fb and bb at the D1 level. The BEast certainly doesn't do it. I guess it would come into play if we pursued Boise or one of the other MWC's as a football-only, but the likely offset would be for them to do what BYU does and put other sports in the WCC or some such.

But to continue the hypothetical, how about Notre Dame? I believe they are in the ACC for all except football. And the ACC obviously sponsors football. Maybe because they're independent they get the exclusion. In reality, I think the NCAA would likely grant waivers if both conferences involved petitioned.

Anybody out there that thinks ESPN is going to pay the AAC the same money without UConn is dreaming. We either add a football only and a basketball+ schools or a full-fledged all sports team or the whole thing comes down by at least one twelfth ... Probably more.
Now i will say we have at least a year to decide who ...
ESPN will be a key to any decision made. So a teams TV market will be a HUGE part of our decision. Money folks ... It's gonna come down to DOLLARS ...

(06-28-2019 09:31 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:19 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:15 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  The NCAA will not allow you to have a D1 FB program in one conference, and a D1 men's BB program in a different conference per NCAA regs. NCAA regs explicitly prevent exactly the kinds of things that are being discussed, so its impossible.

I don't think that's still true. Or at least, I think the NCAA has relaxed exception parameters.

It is still true. If the Big East sponsored football then UConn could not park their football program in the AAC and Big East in hoops. When Temple football was in the Big East the first time their hoops program was in the A10. A conference has to sponsor both sports per that rule.

For starters, what you're saying is slightly different from the poster to whom I replied. He stated that you could not be D1 in two conferences - period. Obviously you can. The difference you're stating is one of the conferences has to NOT sponsor football.

So I'm not sure why we're having this discussion. I haven't seen any real proposals floated about splitting sports into 2 conferences where BOTH conferences sponsored fb and bb at the D1 level. The BEast certainly doesn't do it. I guess it would come into play if we pursued Boise or one of the other MWC's as a football-only, but the likely offset would be for them to do what BYU does and put other sports in the WCC or some such.

But to continue the hypothetical, how about Notre Dame? I believe they are in the ACC for all except football. And the ACC obviously sponsors football. Maybe because they're independent they get the exclusion. In reality, I think the NCAA would likely grant waivers if both conferences involved petitioned.

The NCAA rule applies to (men's) FB and men's BB - if they're both D1, then they must be in the same conference. "Periot" (as my 15 year old would say). I'm not sure how that differs from my original post. It is expressly forbidden, so we should stop talking about it as a viable option. It is not.

(06-28-2019 01:59 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 09:31 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:19 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:15 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  The NCAA will not allow you to have a D1 FB program in one conference, and a D1 men's BB program in a different conference per NCAA regs. NCAA regs explicitly prevent exactly the kinds of things that are being discussed, so its impossible.

I don't think that's still true. Or at least, I think the NCAA has relaxed exception parameters.

It is still true. If the Big East sponsored football then UConn could not park their football program in the AAC and Big East in hoops. When Temple football was in the Big East the first time their hoops program was in the A10. A conference has to sponsor both sports per that rule.

For starters, what you're saying is slightly different from the poster to whom I replied. He stated that you could not be D1 in two conferences - period. Obviously you can. The difference you're stating is one of the conferences has to NOT sponsor football.

So I'm not sure why we're having this discussion. I haven't seen any real proposals floated about splitting sports into 2 conferences where BOTH conferences sponsored fb and bb at the D1 level. The BEast certainly doesn't do it. I guess it would come into play if we pursued Boise or one of the other MWC's as a football-only, but the likely offset would be for them to do what BYU does and put other sports in the WCC or some such.

But to continue the hypothetical, how about Notre Dame? I believe they are in the ACC for all except football. And the ACC obviously sponsors football. Maybe because they're independent they get the exclusion. In reality, I think the NCAA would likely grant waivers if both conferences involved petitioned.

The NCAA rule applies to (men's) FB and men's BB - if they're both D1, then they must be in the same conference. "Periot" (as my 15 year old would say). You could drop one of the sports (FB, in this case) to a lower level of competition (i.e D2), but then that's not D1 anymore, and not subject to the rule. I'm not sure how that differs from my original post. It is expressly forbidden, so we should stop talking about it as a viable option. It is not.

(06-28-2019 01:59 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 09:31 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:19 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:15 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  The NCAA will not allow you to have a D1 FB program in one conference, and a D1 men's BB program in a different conference per NCAA regs. NCAA regs explicitly prevent exactly the kinds of things that are being discussed, so its impossible.

I don't think that's still true. Or at least, I think the NCAA has relaxed exception parameters.

It is still true. If the Big East sponsored football then UConn could not park their football program in the AAC and Big East in hoops. When Temple football was in the Big East the first time their hoops program was in the A10. A conference has to sponsor both sports per that rule.

For starters, what you're saying is slightly different from the poster to whom I replied. He stated that you could not be D1 in two conferences - period. Obviously you can. The difference you're stating is one of the conferences has to NOT sponsor football.

So I'm not sure why we're having this discussion. I haven't seen any real proposals floated about splitting sports into 2 conferences where BOTH conferences sponsored fb and bb at the D1 level. The BEast certainly doesn't do it. I guess it would come into play if we pursued Boise or one of the other MWC's as a football-only, but the likely offset would be for them to do what BYU does and put other sports in the WCC or some such.

But to continue the hypothetical, how about Notre Dame? I believe they are in the ACC for all except football. And the ACC obviously sponsors football. Maybe because they're independent they get the exclusion. In reality, I think the NCAA would likely grant waivers if both conferences involved petitioned.

The NCAA rule applies to (men's) FB and men's BB - if they're both D1, then they must be in the same conference. "Periot" (as my 15 year old would say). I'm not sure how that differs from my original post. It is expressly forbidden, so we should stop talking about it as a viable option. It is not.

Not true. You're leaving out the scenario where one sport is not offered by the "home" conference. The history of the BEast is full of examples (Va Tech and WVU were BEast football only, basketball A10, off the top of my head). UConn is looking to do the same, though they are being shutdown by the AAC and CUSA.

And those are the most popular scenarios we are discussing for someone like BYU. Home conference of WCC, as it is today (with no fb option). Football in the AAC.

(06-28-2019 01:03 PM)steves Wrote:  Anybody out there that thinks ESPN is going to pay the AAC the same money without UConn is dreaming. We either add a football only and a basketball+ schools or a full-fledged all sports team or the whole thing comes down by at least one twelfth ... Probably more.
Now i will say we have at least a year to decide who ...
ESPN will be a key to any decision made. So a teams TV market will be a HUGE part of our decision. Money folks ... It's gonna come down to DOLLARS ...

Most media have reported that there is no change to the financials with one team leaving. They might be wrong - I haven't seen the contract. But it's what they are reporting.

Now, what does "no change" mean? Could be the pie is the same, offering larger slices. Or could be the slices are the same, just a smaller pie. Either way, we don't lose anything financially.

And if fb drives the financials (they do), then not sure why you would think UConn would hurt us more than one-twelfth.

(06-28-2019 02:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 01:03 PM)steves Wrote:  Anybody out there that thinks ESPN is going to pay the AAC the same money without UConn is dreaming. We either add a football only and a basketball+ schools or a full-fledged all sports team or the whole thing comes down by at least one twelfth ... Probably more.
Now i will say we have at least a year to decide who ...
ESPN will be a key to any decision made. So a teams TV market will be a HUGE part of our decision. Money folks ... It's gonna come down to DOLLARS ...

Most media have reported that there is no change to the financials with one team leaving. They might be wrong - I haven't seen the contract. But it's what they are reporting.

Now, what does "no change" mean? Could be the pie is the same, offering larger slices. Or could be the slices are the same, just a smaller pie. Either way, we don't lose anything financially.

And if fb drives the financials (they do), then not sure why you would think UConn would hurt us more than one-twelfth.

Houston Chronicle reports that yes...there is such a clause...but it only pertains to the 5 strongest football schools leaving, specifically: UCF, Houston, Cincy, USF, and Memphis...UConn leaving doesn't trigger the clause.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/...057439.php

so if we stay at 11 we get like 7.6 million per team and get to split UConn's exit fee.

(06-28-2019 09:31 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:19 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 12:15 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  The NCAA will not allow you to have a D1 FB program in one conference, and a D1 men's BB program in a different conference per NCAA regs. NCAA regs explicitly prevent exactly the kinds of things that are being discussed, so its impossible.

I don't think that's still true. Or at least, I think the NCAA has relaxed exception parameters.

It is still true. If the Big East sponsored football then UConn could not park their football program in the AAC and Big East in hoops. When Temple football was in the Big East the first time their hoops program was in the A10. A conference has to sponsor both sports per that rule.

For starters, what you're saying is slightly different from the poster to whom I replied. He stated that you could not be D1 in two conferences - period. Obviously you can. The difference you're stating is one of the conferences has to NOT sponsor football.

So I'm not sure why we're having this discussion. I haven't seen any real proposals floated about splitting sports into 2 conferences where BOTH conferences sponsored fb and bb at the D1 level. The BEast certainly doesn't do it. I guess it would come into play if we pursued Boise or one of the other MWC's as a football-only, but the likely offset would be for them to do what BYU does and put other sports in the WCC or some such.

But to continue the hypothetical, how about Notre Dame? I believe they are in the ACC for all except football. And the ACC obviously sponsors football. Maybe because they're independent they get the exclusion. In reality, I think the NCAA would likely grant waivers if both conferences involved petitioned.

Ok ... Makes total sense. Patriot league is definitely D1, just no football. So the super league deal has to be all sports. None of this play football here and basketball there stuff. UConn is either a football independent or a FBS subdivision Conference member. Did they know ???

(06-28-2019 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 01:59 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 09:31 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:19 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:31 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I don't think that's still true. Or at least, I think the NCAA has relaxed exception parameters.

It is still true. If the Big East sponsored football then UConn could not park their football program in the AAC and Big East in hoops. When Temple football was in the Big East the first time their hoops program was in the A10. A conference has to sponsor both sports per that rule.

For starters, what you're saying is slightly different from the poster to whom I replied. He stated that you could not be D1 in two conferences - period. Obviously you can. The difference you're stating is one of the conferences has to NOT sponsor football.

So I'm not sure why we're having this discussion. I haven't seen any real proposals floated about splitting sports into 2 conferences where BOTH conferences sponsored fb and bb at the D1 level. The BEast certainly doesn't do it. I guess it would come into play if we pursued Boise or one of the other MWC's as a football-only, but the likely offset would be for them to do what BYU does and put other sports in the WCC or some such.

But to continue the hypothetical, how about Notre Dame? I believe they are in the ACC for all except football. And the ACC obviously sponsors football. Maybe because they're independent they get the exclusion. In reality, I think the NCAA would likely grant waivers if both conferences involved petitioned.

The NCAA rule applies to (men's) FB and men's BB - if they're both D1, then they must be in the same conference. "Periot" (as my 15 year old would say). I'm not sure how that differs from my original post. It is expressly forbidden, so we should stop talking about it as a viable option. It is not.

Not true. You're leaving out the scenario where one sport is not offered by the "home" conference. The history of the BEast is full of examples (Va Tech and WVU were BEast football only, basketball A10, off the top of my head). UConn is looking to do the same, though they are being shutdown by the AAC and CUSA.

And those are the most popular scenarios we are discussing for someone like BYU. Home conference of WCC, as it is today (with no fb option). Football in the AAC.

Yes but the A10 did not sponsor FBS football they where FCS football or Div 1A at the time.

Who cares. Lets focus on our exit as well

I wouldn't mind adding Colorado state, Army and UMASS

(06-28-2019 06:06 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 01:59 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 09:31 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:19 PM)smytiger Wrote:  It is still true. If the Big East sponsored football then UConn could not park their football program in the AAC and Big East in hoops. When Temple football was in the Big East the first time their hoops program was in the A10. A conference has to sponsor both sports per that rule.

For starters, what you're saying is slightly different from the poster to whom I replied. He stated that you could not be D1 in two conferences - period. Obviously you can. The difference you're stating is one of the conferences has to NOT sponsor football.

So I'm not sure why we're having this discussion. I haven't seen any real proposals floated about splitting sports into 2 conferences where BOTH conferences sponsored fb and bb at the D1 level. The BEast certainly doesn't do it. I guess it would come into play if we pursued Boise or one of the other MWC's as a football-only, but the likely offset would be for them to do what BYU does and put other sports in the WCC or some such.

But to continue the hypothetical, how about Notre Dame? I believe they are in the ACC for all except football. And the ACC obviously sponsors football. Maybe because they're independent they get the exclusion. In reality, I think the NCAA would likely grant waivers if both conferences involved petitioned.

The NCAA rule applies to (men's) FB and men's BB - if they're both D1, then they must be in the same conference. "Periot" (as my 15 year old would say). I'm not sure how that differs from my original post. It is expressly forbidden, so we should stop talking about it as a viable option. It is not.

Not true. You're leaving out the scenario where one sport is not offered by the "home" conference. The history of the BEast is full of examples (Va Tech and WVU were BEast football only, basketball A10, off the top of my head). UConn is looking to do the same, though they are being shutdown by the AAC and CUSA.

And those are the most popular scenarios we are discussing for someone like BYU. Home conference of WCC, as it is today (with no fb option). Football in the AAC.

Yes but the A10 did not sponsor FBS football they where FCS football or Div 1A at the time.

Does Navy play D1 basketball. If so, we have such an example in the AAC.

(06-28-2019 08:47 PM)micman Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 06:06 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 02:37 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 01:59 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 09:31 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  For starters, what you're saying is slightly different from the poster to whom I replied. He stated that you could not be D1 in two conferences - period. Obviously you can. The difference you're stating is one of the conferences has to NOT sponsor football.

So I'm not sure why we're having this discussion. I haven't seen any real proposals floated about splitting sports into 2 conferences where BOTH conferences sponsored fb and bb at the D1 level. The BEast certainly doesn't do it. I guess it would come into play if we pursued Boise or one of the other MWC's as a football-only, but the likely offset would be for them to do what BYU does and put other sports in the WCC or some such.

But to continue the hypothetical, how about Notre Dame? I believe they are in the ACC for all except football. And the ACC obviously sponsors football. Maybe because they're independent they get the exclusion. In reality, I think the NCAA would likely grant waivers if both conferences involved petitioned.

The NCAA rule applies to (men's) FB and men's BB - if they're both D1, then they must be in the same conference. "Periot" (as my 15 year old would say). I'm not sure how that differs from my original post. It is expressly forbidden, so we should stop talking about it as a viable option. It is not.

Not true. You're leaving out the scenario where one sport is not offered by the "home" conference. The history of the BEast is full of examples (Va Tech and WVU were BEast football only, basketball A10, off the top of my head). UConn is looking to do the same, though they are being shutdown by the AAC and CUSA.

And those are the most popular scenarios we are discussing for someone like BYU. Home conference of WCC, as it is today (with no fb option). Football in the AAC.

Yes but the A10 did not sponsor FBS football they where FCS football or Div 1A at the time.

Does Navy play D1 basketball. If so, we have such an example in the AAC.

Yes ... Patriot League ... All sports except football !!

(06-28-2019 08:14 PM)memphisike Wrote:  I wouldn't mind adding Colorado state, Army and UMASS

Bush

League.

Y'all are forgetting about Louisiana Tech. However many years ago they were in the WAC which was the most powerful "outsider" FB conference when we were in C-USA, so they still have some heritage / name recognition. Sure, their BB would have to be brought up to speed I guess, and I don't know about their other sports.

On a related note, some of you have said "kick out Tulsa", and sure their FB has been down recently, but it wasn't too long ago that they beat Notre Dame there. Their BB is good. I saw a thing today that their softball coach's record is something like 529-239 and he's been to 10 NCAA tournaments. Have we ever been? Their baseball is good. Tulane has good baseball. Yeah, yeah, those aren't revenue sports, but still they are part of the overall ath dept performance.

Again, only schools that ADD $$ value should be considered. No one adds financial value except BYU for FB only (so you also add the best BB school within the current AAC footprint). This (adding BYU & the best BB school) would make the AAC stronger all around & likely put the AAC equal or better than the PAC - substantiating the argument for P6. If BYU wants to join, great, if not, stay at 11 until a school that communicates interest passes the value test. No other schools currently meet the value added test.

(06-29-2019 07:00 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Again, only schools that ADD $$ value should be considered. No one adds financial value except BYU for FB only (so you also add the best BB school within the current AAC footprint). This (adding BYU & the best BB school) would make the AAC stronger all around & likely put the AAC equal or better than the PAC - substantiating the argument for P6. If BYU wants to join, great, if not, stay at 11 until a school that communicates interest passes the value test. No other schools currently meet the value added test.

BYU football only. Add a BB only school if you can get a good one. Not sure who that would be honestly, and it really isn't that big of a deal anyway. Nothing else makes any sense.

(06-29-2019 09:26 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 07:00 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Again, only schools that ADD $$ value should be considered. No one adds financial value except BYU for FB only (so you also add the best BB school within the current AAC footprint). This (adding BYU & the best BB school) would make the AAC stronger all around & likely put the AAC equal or better than the PAC - substantiating the argument for P6. If BYU wants to join, great, if not, stay at 11 until a school that communicates interest passes the value test. No other schools currently meet the value added test.

BYU football only. Add a BB only school if you can get a good one. Not sure who that would be honestly, and it really isn't that big of a deal anyway. Nothing else makes any sense.

VCU, Dayton, St Louis, Richmond ... probably not Dayton (Cincy no like) ... UMass. Keep in mind this is for all sports except football. UMass would want to bring football and I don't see this happening.
Also ... BYU has their own TV network ... And would need the supposed D1 waiver ... so that ain't happening. Army is still a football possibility but the Army/Navy game would bring issues.
I'm still for UAB. As long as they're building the new football stadium ... They qualify !!

(06-29-2019 09:58 AM)steves Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:26 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 07:00 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Again, only schools that ADD $$ value should be considered. No one adds financial value except BYU for FB only (so you also add the best BB school within the current AAC footprint). This (adding BYU & the best BB school) would make the AAC stronger all around & likely put the AAC equal or better than the PAC - substantiating the argument for P6. If BYU wants to join, great, if not, stay at 11 until a school that communicates interest passes the value test. No other schools currently meet the value added test.

BYU football only. Add a BB only school if you can get a good one. Not sure who that would be honestly, and it really isn't that big of a deal anyway. Nothing else makes any sense.

VCU, Dayton, St Louis, Richmond ... probably not Dayton (Cincy no like) ... UMass. Keep in mind this is for all sports except football. UMass would want to bring football and I don't see this happening.
Also ... BYU has their own TV network ... And would need the supposed D1 waiver ... so that ain't happening. Army is still a football possibility but the Army/Navy game would bring issues.
I'm still for UAB. As long as they're building the new football stadium ... They qualify !!

BYU does not have their own network.

https://universe.byu.edu/2019/06/03/espn...-season-1/