(06-22-2019 11:15 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 11:13 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  My #1 choice is Georgia State btw.

Good God.

Not as bad an option as you think. 60000 enrollment in the 9th biggest metro, a footprint for Georgia recruiting and a commitment to building their sports brand. I wouldn’t add anybody. But I’d certainty take a look at Georgia State if I’m already looking at schools like UAB and Southern Miss.

(06-23-2019 01:08 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  My mind gravitates to the programs that at least in the past have been decently competitive and thus are a known name:
Old Dominion - BB
Louisiana Tech - FB
UAB - BB
Marshall - FB
Western KY - BB

Not that I'm advocating this, but I guess there is the option of St. Louis as a non-FB member if TV demands we add somebody. I don't know if they would leave the Atlantic10 but you would think Wichita, Tulsa, Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston, and New Orleans would be better for their travel budget in all the other sports. Dayton and Pittsburgh are their 2 "close" destinations now.

Tv won’t be demanding we add a basketball only team. You can take that to the bank. And GA ST is probably 6-7th team in media coverage in their home city if that. I don’t care what their enrollment is, no one is going to watch ECU and GA St or most any AAC team.

(06-23-2019 11:42 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:40 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:39 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  Good Lord, the beginning of the end?? How about addition by subtraction. Is we don't add anyone we are better off. We don't need UCONN to help our basketball program. We need a stronger conference to help our football team. UCONN was a complete negative in that respect. Good riddance. If we add even a decent football program this is great news.

You are all missing the big picture. Yes football drives the ship. But more than that, TV does. And we are losing our largest tv market. Replace them with Georgia State in all sports.

I think you're missing the big picture. Losing a brand name and replacing it with a team I never heard of until last year screams bush league. We just bitched about not scheduling better OOC teams because we were playing teams like "Gulp" Georgia State, and now you want to put them in our conference.

I'm guessing people in Atlanta care about two teams in the state of Georgia, and Georgia State isn't one of them.

Either we pull in someone that has a proven audience and some pedigree or just stay put.

If you want to think outside of the box, why not take UNLV? They're amazingly similar to Memphis as a university. Even though they suck right now, They were a national brand that would love to get a jump start back to where they used to be.

They have no competition like Georgia State You can fly to Vegas from
anywhere and you get to go to "Vegas"! They'll be playing in the best new stadium in all of football.

Their basketball team has a National Championship under their belt. It's still one of the fastest growing metro areas in the country. They would love to get out of the Mountain West. Who do you think they would rather attract to Vegas, people from Dallas, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Philadalphia, Wichita, Tulsa, New Orleans, or Laramie Wyoming?

People from all of those cities have migrated to Las Vegas. They'd be back to filling up the Thomas and Mack. Or better yet, they could play in the new arena T-Mobile on the strip.

Now that is thinking outside of the box. I say think about UNLV. That would make news for the AAC and UNLV. Much more so than Old Dominion or Buffalo.

I just looked at the map. Air Force is the way to go. Colorado is WAAAAAYYYY closer than Nevada.

(06-23-2019 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Why do they have to be replaced?

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Because we can't play our CCG with 11 teams. I mean, we CAN... but that would mean a TEN game conference schedule.

(06-22-2019 11:15 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 11:13 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  My #1 choice is Georgia State btw.

Good God.

A lot of folks had similar feelings to UCF 15 years ago.

(06-23-2019 04:23 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 11:42 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 09:40 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 06:39 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  Good Lord, the beginning of the end?? How about addition by subtraction. Is we don't add anyone we are better off. We don't need UCONN to help our basketball program. We need a stronger conference to help our football team. UCONN was a complete negative in that respect. Good riddance. If we add even a decent football program this is great news.

You are all missing the big picture. Yes football drives the ship. But more than that, TV does. And we are losing our largest tv market. Replace them with Georgia State in all sports.

I think you're missing the big picture. Losing a brand name and replacing it with a team I never heard of until last year screams bush league. We just bitched about not scheduling better OOC teams because we were playing teams like "Gulp" Georgia State, and now you want to put them in our conference.

I'm guessing people in Atlanta care about two teams in the state of Georgia, and Georgia State isn't one of them.

Either we pull in someone that has a proven audience and some pedigree or just stay put.

If you want to think outside of the box, why not take UNLV? They're amazingly similar to Memphis as a university. Even though they suck right now, They were a national brand that would love to get a jump start back to where they used to be.

They have no competition like Georgia State You can fly to Vegas from
anywhere and you get to go to "Vegas"! They'll be playing in the best new stadium in all of football.

Their basketball team has a National Championship under their belt. It's still one of the fastest growing metro areas in the country. They would love to get out of the Mountain West. Who do you think they would rather attract to Vegas, people from Dallas, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Philadalphia, Wichita, Tulsa, New Orleans, or Laramie Wyoming?

People from all of those cities have migrated to Las Vegas. They'd be back to filling up the Thomas and Mack. Or better yet, they could play in the new arena T-Mobile on the strip.

Now that is thinking outside of the box. I say think about UNLV. That would make news for the AAC and UNLV. Much more so than Old Dominion or Buffalo.

I just looked at the map. Air Force is the way to go. Colorado is WAAAAAYYYY closer than Nevada.

I agree.

Air Force to the AAC football only and WAC for olympic sports works for both sides.

Air Force could actually compete in the WAC. They are looking for a member since UMKC is leaving for the Summit League plus Chicago State athletics is badly in debt and on the verge of shutting down. The WAC would welcome them with open arms.

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/umk...in-2020-21

AFA is only getting like 1.1 million per year from the MWC TV deal as it is.

(06-23-2019 04:31 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Why do they have to be replaced?

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Because we can't play our CCG with 11 teams. I mean, we CAN... but that would mean a TEN game conference schedule.

you can do unbalanced divisions of 6/5. The rule simply says you have to play everyone in your division...it doesn't say anything about number of members per division.

The MAC did it when they had UMass football.

(06-23-2019 04:31 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Why do they have to be replaced?

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Because we can't play our CCG with 11 teams. I mean, we CAN... but that would mean a TEN game conference schedule.

Quote:The amendment allows conferences with fewer than 12 members to hold championship games in football, as long as they meet one of two additional conditions: Conferences that want to play championship games must either play their championship game between division winners after round-robin competition in each division or between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin, regular-season competition between all members of the conference.

(06-23-2019 10:58 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:45 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:31 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:26 AM)PATiger Wrote:  There are no schools left who offer any value as an all-sports member. The AAC is the conference that represents the best of the leftovers after the Power 5 have taken what they want.

If the conference or the remaining members had any long term strategic vision, they would've put together the best football conference possible and never attempted a bush league hybrid approach of football only members and non-football members. That garbage didn't work in the old Big East. It didn't work in CUSA. And it's obviously not working now.

The best thing the conference could do is stick with the remaining 10 all-sports members. Tell Wichita State to add a football team or get out. Tell Navy to compete in all sports or get out. Neither one of them add enough value to be part time members. The conference should actively push the remaining 10 schools to focus the majority of their resources on football, which is the only sport that matters in college athletics. The bowl games and national championship games make the conferences a ton more money than the basketball tournament does. Football has always driven the bus and always will. Focus on making a solid conference of 10 is a heck of a lot better than a flaky conference of 14.

It became less bush league when the ACC allowed ND in without football.

If you're comparing Notre Dame to Wichita State, you can quietly exit the conversation now.

you kick out Navy and Witchita State...and you've killed the conference...as you've then killed the tv deal.


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I apologize..I was harsh...everything I didn't want others to be.
I am sorry.
You can lose one school and keep the tv contract.
Kick out those 2 schools, and then we're down three schools.
We're having a hard time finding ONE school to add value to our league...then we'd be looking for two more.

Wichita State was only added for basketball and they fell off last year. Navy was added for football only and they fell off last year. If you're only in the conference for a single sport and you're no longer dominant in that sport, you provide no value.

(06-23-2019 04:40 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 04:31 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Why do they have to be replaced?

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Because we can't play our CCG with 11 teams. I mean, we CAN... but that would mean a TEN game conference schedule.

Quote:The amendment allows conferences with fewer than 12 members to hold championship games in football, as long as they meet one of two additional conditions: Conferences that want to play championship games must either play their championship game between division winners after round-robin competition in each division or between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin, regular-season competition between all members of the conference.

Okay, so given your's and UofMemphis' responses, how would that work in real life? Memphis plays 5 division foes, and 3 cross division foes. What does UCF (for instance) do? How does that math work?

Villanova. They seriously considered upgrading to the FBS when the ACC swooped in. Temple is down the street. I vote going hard after the Wildcats.

(06-22-2019 11:13 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  My #1 choice is Georgia State btw.

A school with no football program 10 years ago and is 5th at best in their home town market????? WTF would we want that?

Atlanta Football Market
#1 Falcons
#2 UGA
#3 Georgia Tech
#4 Georgia Southern
#5 Georgia State

(06-22-2019 11:12 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Being proactive would be different for the AAC and this collection of schools. That means not sitting around and waiting to be plucked. Keep building the conference brand. You do that by becoming as regional and tightly fit as possible. UCONN leaving can become a positive thing. If we add the right school. Sitting still and adding no one helps nothing.

Don’t add Army. Don’t add UAB. Don’t add USM. No more basketball only schools. No more football only schools. Unless of course we want to replicate every failed model we’ve tried before.

Good idea here

(06-22-2019 11:13 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  My #1 choice is Georgia State btw.

You killed everything you just said previously with this one

(06-23-2019 05:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 11:13 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  My #1 choice is Georgia State btw.

A school with no football program 10 years ago and is 5th at best in their home town market????? WTF would we want that?

Atlanta Football Market
#1 Falcons
#2 UGA
#3 Georgia Tech
#4 Georgia Southern
#5 Georgia State

put GA high school football in 3rd spot lol

(06-23-2019 04:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 04:40 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 04:31 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Why do they have to be replaced?

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Because we can't play our CCG with 11 teams. I mean, we CAN... but that would mean a TEN game conference schedule.

Quote:The amendment allows conferences with fewer than 12 members to hold championship games in football, as long as they meet one of two additional conditions: Conferences that want to play championship games must either play their championship game between division winners after round-robin competition in each division or between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin, regular-season competition between all members of the conference.

Okay, so given your's and UofMemphis' responses, how would that work in real life? Memphis plays 5 division foes, and 3 cross division foes. What does UCF (for instance) do? How does that math work?

This is why we invited Tulane… let their statistics kids figure it out

(06-23-2019 09:12 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Different and really outside the box would be an effort to get BOTH Air Force and Army.

Incorporate the commander in chief trophy within the conference. Would Army and Navy ever be competitive in basketball is the question

Just commenting about true outside the box thinking

I would be ok with this except for one thing. The Army-Navy game. It falls on or after the conference championship game, and they aren't about to move that game. If one or both of them are in contention for the CCG. That could get a little sticky.

(06-23-2019 01:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 01:16 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Let's not over think this.

Army FB only. Done

Army-Navy game makes that a major issue...just like BYU having to buy out OOC games already scheduled makes them a major issue...but Air Force actually makes sense IMHO.

how about Air Force olympic sports to the WAC and Air Force football to the AAC?

West: Air Force, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane

East: Navy, Cincy, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF

Air Force pays an entrance fee and does not get to share in the UConn's 10 million dollar exit fee.

Replace Memphis with Navy because Navy wants to be in the West.

(06-23-2019 05:32 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 04:51 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 04:40 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 04:31 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Why do they have to be replaced?

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Because we can't play our CCG with 11 teams. I mean, we CAN... but that would mean a TEN game conference schedule.

Quote:The amendment allows conferences with fewer than 12 members to hold championship games in football, as long as they meet one of two additional conditions: Conferences that want to play championship games must either play their championship game between division winners after round-robin competition in each division or between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin, regular-season competition between all members of the conference.

Okay, so given your's and UofMemphis' responses, how would that work in real life? Memphis plays 5 division foes, and 3 cross division foes. What does UCF (for instance) do? How does that math work?

This is why we invited to Tulane… let their statistics kids figure it out

Excellent answer.

(06-23-2019 05:17 PM)micman Wrote:  Villanova. They seriously considered upgrading to the FBS when the ACC swooped in. Temple is down the street. I vote going hard after the Wildcats.

Florida International

Solid program 4 bowls in last 8 years, HUGE student enrollment(54,000), Endowment $144 million, large TV market(#16) would give conference 6 of top 20 markets, State is large enough for 3 teams in AAC,

(06-23-2019 04:44 PM)PATiger Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:58 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:45 AM)PATiger Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:31 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(06-23-2019 10:26 AM)PATiger Wrote:  There are no schools left who offer any value as an all-sports member. The AAC is the conference that represents the best of the leftovers after the Power 5 have taken what they want.

If the conference or the remaining members had any long term strategic vision, they would've put together the best football conference possible and never attempted a bush league hybrid approach of football only members and non-football members. That garbage didn't work in the old Big East. It didn't work in CUSA. And it's obviously not working now.

The best thing the conference could do is stick with the remaining 10 all-sports members. Tell Wichita State to add a football team or get out. Tell Navy to compete in all sports or get out. Neither one of them add enough value to be part time members. The conference should actively push the remaining 10 schools to focus the majority of their resources on football, which is the only sport that matters in college athletics. The bowl games and national championship games make the conferences a ton more money than the basketball tournament does. Football has always driven the bus and always will. Focus on making a solid conference of 10 is a heck of a lot better than a flaky conference of 14.

It became less bush league when the ACC allowed ND in without football.

If you're comparing Notre Dame to Wichita State, you can quietly exit the conversation now.

you kick out Navy and Witchita State...and you've killed the conference...as you've then killed the tv deal.


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I apologize..I was harsh...everything I didn't want others to be.
I am sorry.
You can lose one school and keep the tv contract.
Kick out those 2 schools, and then we're down three schools.
We're having a hard time finding ONE school to add value to our league...then we'd be looking for two more.

Wichita State was only added for basketball and they fell off last year. Navy was added for football only and they fell off last year. If you're only in the conference for a single sport and you're no longer dominant in that sport, you provide no value.

you're going off of one year.
You have to give them time to readjust.
Navy has beaten us more times than we have beaten them...last year was their first bad year under this coach.
They had some injuries...which was out of their control.
Wichita will take a year or two to rebuild..but they've got one of the bestcoaches in the business to do that with.