(06-12-2019 03:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 02:51 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  That's why, even though I don't really like the deal, am okay with the fact the ESPN bought the Sun Belt's media rights for 7 years.

They'll definitely push MACtion and FunBelt stuff when they need to fill in G5 talking points instead of CUSA or MWC (if they go NFLN route)

Exactly! Whats gonna be interesting is when the current BE BBall conference TV rights come up will the WWL go after them? They didn't care at first because they didn't think highly of the group but now that they are doing well they have been talking them up as a true power conference. Will they go after a piece and will the BE decide to stay full on the Fox train or sell some to ESPN. Do the C7 have long memories or is it a case of if it makes dollars it makes sense.

The Big East deal with Fox was for 12 years, starting with the 2013-14 season. So they're halfway through. I suppose the Big East will just go for whoever pays them the best. They'll never get the eyeballs on FS1 that they would on an ESPN platform, but maybe exposure and viewership is not as important to the Big East. They seem to get respect if not eyeballs. After all, with the exception of this past season, they've been able to get good seeds (two #1 seeds in the '18 tournament with Villanova and Xavier) and they've rated high in the polls.

(06-17-2019 11:46 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 03:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 02:51 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  That's why, even though I don't really like the deal, am okay with the fact the ESPN bought the Sun Belt's media rights for 7 years.

They'll definitely push MACtion and FunBelt stuff when they need to fill in G5 talking points instead of CUSA or MWC (if they go NFLN route)

Exactly! Whats gonna be interesting is when the current BE BBall conference TV rights come up will the WWL go after them? They didn't care at first because they didn't think highly of the group but now that they are doing well they have been talking them up as a true power conference. Will they go after a piece and will the BE decide to stay full on the Fox train or sell some to ESPN. Do the C7 have long memories or is it a case of if it makes dollars it makes sense.

The Big East deal with Fox was for 12 years, starting with the 2013-14 season. So they're halfway through. I suppose the Big East will just go for whoever pays them the best. They'll never get the eyeballs on FS1 that they would on an ESPN platform, but maybe exposure and viewership is not as important to the Big East. They seem to get respect if not eyeballs. After all, with the exception of this past season, they've been able to get good seeds (two #1 seeds in the '18 tournament with Villanova and Xavier) and they've rated high in the polls.

People talk about lack of exposure for the Big East but thats just plain wrong. Every single game of that conference is on national TV. Either of Fox or FS1 and fans wherever they live can watch those games. Thats insane for a conference like the Big East to have that. Yes, FS1 doesn't have the pull as ESPN but everyone in the business knows that the two stations ratings aren't comparable and that any conferences ratings would be significantly lower on Fox Sports. They do have insanely good exposure compared to any one else not in the P5 and even better than some of those conferences. I mean for instance a Providence fan can watch every PC game in Seattle. Can a UW fan say the same thing while living in Providence? Not without paying more than the PC fan pays. They have smaller fan bases than the big state schools for sure but their exposure is not limited. Look at the AAC, they just got a new TV deal where most of their content will be on ESPN+. So now you have to pay a monthly subscription for an app to watch most of your games. Thats terrible exposure since you completely limit any casual general sports fan from tuning in on a raining weekend to watch your teams play.

(06-18-2019 08:51 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 11:46 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 03:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 02:51 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  That's why, even though I don't really like the deal, am okay with the fact the ESPN bought the Sun Belt's media rights for 7 years.

They'll definitely push MACtion and FunBelt stuff when they need to fill in G5 talking points instead of CUSA or MWC (if they go NFLN route)

Exactly! Whats gonna be interesting is when the current BE BBall conference TV rights come up will the WWL go after them? They didn't care at first because they didn't think highly of the group but now that they are doing well they have been talking them up as a true power conference. Will they go after a piece and will the BE decide to stay full on the Fox train or sell some to ESPN. Do the C7 have long memories or is it a case of if it makes dollars it makes sense.

The Big East deal with Fox was for 12 years, starting with the 2013-14 season. So they're halfway through. I suppose the Big East will just go for whoever pays them the best. They'll never get the eyeballs on FS1 that they would on an ESPN platform, but maybe exposure and viewership is not as important to the Big East. They seem to get respect if not eyeballs. After all, with the exception of this past season, they've been able to get good seeds (two #1 seeds in the '18 tournament with Villanova and Xavier) and they've rated high in the polls.

People talk about lack of exposure for the Big East but thats just plain wrong. Every single game of that conference is on national TV. Either of Fox or FS1 and fans wherever they live can watch those games. Thats insane for a conference like the Big East to have that. Yes, FS1 doesn't have the pull as ESPN but everyone in the business knows that the two stations ratings aren't comparable and that any conferences ratings would be significantly lower on Fox Sports. They do have insanely good exposure compared to any one else not in the P5 and even better than some of those conferences. I mean for instance a Providence fan can watch every PC game in Seattle. Can a UW fan say the same thing while living in Providence? Not without paying more than the PC fan pays. They have smaller fan bases than the big state schools for sure but their exposure is not limited. Look at the AAC, they just got a new TV deal where most of their content will be on ESPN+. So now you have to pay a monthly subscription for an app to watch most of your games. Thats terrible exposure since you completely limit any casual general sports fan from tuning in on a raining weekend to watch your teams play.

Not every Big East game is on television. 100 are, out of roughly 180. Around 80 are shown on fox (18 on OTA and 60ish on FS1/2). The Big East coverage for other sports is almost nothing.

The AAC will show at least 40 ESPN games for football from 66 available. For basketball ESPN will show at least 65 games and a 10 game deal is expected with CBS. ESPN will also broadcast most conference championships in Olympic sports and at least 13 women's basketball games.

A lot of AAC content will be on ESPN+, but the vast majority of it is non-revenue sports that were carried on ESPN3/school website or not at all.

Also ESPN+ is available world wide so anyone in Hong Kong, Sydney, or Cairo can watch. Which is as likely as a Big East fan in Washington. Fox ratings for the Big East won't be changing, they're a regional, private school conference with diminishing national name recognition. This is probably as good as they get barring a early 1980s type run. It's become the Villlanova and everyone else league.

(06-18-2019 09:43 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:51 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 11:46 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 03:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 02:51 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  That's why, even though I don't really like the deal, am okay with the fact the ESPN bought the Sun Belt's media rights for 7 years.

They'll definitely push MACtion and FunBelt stuff when they need to fill in G5 talking points instead of CUSA or MWC (if they go NFLN route)

Exactly! Whats gonna be interesting is when the current BE BBall conference TV rights come up will the WWL go after them? They didn't care at first because they didn't think highly of the group but now that they are doing well they have been talking them up as a true power conference. Will they go after a piece and will the BE decide to stay full on the Fox train or sell some to ESPN. Do the C7 have long memories or is it a case of if it makes dollars it makes sense.

The Big East deal with Fox was for 12 years, starting with the 2013-14 season. So they're halfway through. I suppose the Big East will just go for whoever pays them the best. They'll never get the eyeballs on FS1 that they would on an ESPN platform, but maybe exposure and viewership is not as important to the Big East. They seem to get respect if not eyeballs. After all, with the exception of this past season, they've been able to get good seeds (two #1 seeds in the '18 tournament with Villanova and Xavier) and they've rated high in the polls.

People talk about lack of exposure for the Big East but thats just plain wrong. Every single game of that conference is on national TV. Either of Fox or FS1 and fans wherever they live can watch those games. Thats insane for a conference like the Big East to have that. Yes, FS1 doesn't have the pull as ESPN but everyone in the business knows that the two stations ratings aren't comparable and that any conferences ratings would be significantly lower on Fox Sports. They do have insanely good exposure compared to any one else not in the P5 and even better than some of those conferences. I mean for instance a Providence fan can watch every PC game in Seattle. Can a UW fan say the same thing while living in Providence? Not without paying more than the PC fan pays. They have smaller fan bases than the big state schools for sure but their exposure is not limited. Look at the AAC, they just got a new TV deal where most of their content will be on ESPN+. So now you have to pay a monthly subscription for an app to watch most of your games. Thats terrible exposure since you completely limit any casual general sports fan from tuning in on a raining weekend to watch your teams play.

Not every Big East game is on television. 100 are, out of roughly 180. Around 80 are shown on fox (18 on OTA and 60ish on FS1/2). The Big East coverage for other sports is almost nothing.

The AAC will show at least 40 ESPN games for football from 66 available. For basketball ESPN will show at least 65 games and a 10 game deal is expected with CBS. ESPN will also broadcast most conference championships in Olympic sports and at least 13 women's basketball games.

A lot of AAC content will be on ESPN+, but the vast majority of it is non-revenue sports that were carried on ESPN3/school website or not at all.

Also ESPN+ is available world wide so anyone in Hong Kong, Sydney, or Cairo can watch. Which is as likely as a Big East fan in Washington. Fox ratings for the Big East won't be changing, they're a regional, private school conference with diminishing national name recognition. This is probably as good as they get barring a early 1980s type run. It's become the Villlanova and everyone else league.

Bull, they have more than 100 out of 180 on national TV. ESPN+ is not somehow better than an over the air nationally carried channel.

Just a 2 second google search got me this.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2018/9/13/b...edule.aspx

Quote:The BIG EAST will have more over-the-air national telecasts than any conference. The exposure on the FOX broadcast network includes at least 17 games in the regular season, all on weekends. The league’s continuing double round-robin competition culminates with FOX Sports complete coverage of the BIG EAST Tournament played at Madison Square Garden.

This season, FS1 will carry more than 100 BIG EAST games overall. All 90 conference regular-season games again will be televised. Eighty-four of the 90 BIG EAST contests will include at least one league team that made the postseason in 2017-18. Play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson along with analysts Bill Raftery and Jim Jackson are back to form the FOX Sports lead announce teams.

CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network again will televise selected BIG EAST games, with CBS Sports carrying at least three contests on its broadcast network. The two league games are St. John’s at Georgetown on Jan. 5 and reigning NCAA Champion Villanova at Xavier on Feb. 24. Butler versus Indiana on Dec. 15 in the Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis, Ind., is the non-league contest.

The BIG EAST will have at least 21 over-the-air network broadcasts – 17 or 18 on FOX in the regular season, the BIG EAST Tournament title game, and three on CBS Sports.

The CBS Sports Network schedule includes 16 conference contests and at least one non-league game as well as Providence vs. Wichita State in the Veterans Classic on Nov. 9 at the Naval Academy. Each of the six BIG EAST schools that played in the NCAA Tournament will make multiple appearances.
The BIG EAST conference schedule begins Saturday, Dec. 29, with two games – Xavier at DePaul and St. John’s at Seton Hall.

Okay so thats 100 games on FS1, 18 on Fox and 3 on CBS OTA. Thats 121 games on national TV. So stop spinning this like the Big East has a terrible TV deal in reality they have a great TV deal especially compared to the G5 and even some P5 conferences. Talk all you want about Hong Kong but folks in the US have better access to Big East games than the do the AAC or the Pac-12. Thats a fact and I have backed mine up while you have used conjecture and hyperbole.

Every MAC basketball game is on ESPN! .................................. (+)

(06-18-2019 10:01 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 09:43 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:51 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 11:46 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 03:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Exactly! Whats gonna be interesting is when the current BE BBall conference TV rights come up will the WWL go after them? They didn't care at first because they didn't think highly of the group but now that they are doing well they have been talking them up as a true power conference. Will they go after a piece and will the BE decide to stay full on the Fox train or sell some to ESPN. Do the C7 have long memories or is it a case of if it makes dollars it makes sense.

The Big East deal with Fox was for 12 years, starting with the 2013-14 season. So they're halfway through. I suppose the Big East will just go for whoever pays them the best. They'll never get the eyeballs on FS1 that they would on an ESPN platform, but maybe exposure and viewership is not as important to the Big East. They seem to get respect if not eyeballs. After all, with the exception of this past season, they've been able to get good seeds (two #1 seeds in the '18 tournament with Villanova and Xavier) and they've rated high in the polls.

People talk about lack of exposure for the Big East but thats just plain wrong. Every single game of that conference is on national TV. Either of Fox or FS1 and fans wherever they live can watch those games. Thats insane for a conference like the Big East to have that. Yes, FS1 doesn't have the pull as ESPN but everyone in the business knows that the two stations ratings aren't comparable and that any conferences ratings would be significantly lower on Fox Sports. They do have insanely good exposure compared to any one else not in the P5 and even better than some of those conferences. I mean for instance a Providence fan can watch every PC game in Seattle. Can a UW fan say the same thing while living in Providence? Not without paying more than the PC fan pays. They have smaller fan bases than the big state schools for sure but their exposure is not limited. Look at the AAC, they just got a new TV deal where most of their content will be on ESPN+. So now you have to pay a monthly subscription for an app to watch most of your games. Thats terrible exposure since you completely limit any casual general sports fan from tuning in on a raining weekend to watch your teams play.

Not every Big East game is on television. 100 are, out of roughly 180. Around 80 are shown on fox (18 on OTA and 60ish on FS1/2). The Big East coverage for other sports is almost nothing.

The AAC will show at least 40 ESPN games for football from 66 available. For basketball ESPN will show at least 65 games and a 10 game deal is expected with CBS. ESPN will also broadcast most conference championships in Olympic sports and at least 13 women's basketball games.

A lot of AAC content will be on ESPN+, but the vast majority of it is non-revenue sports that were carried on ESPN3/school website or not at all.

Also ESPN+ is available world wide so anyone in Hong Kong, Sydney, or Cairo can watch. Which is as likely as a Big East fan in Washington. Fox ratings for the Big East won't be changing, they're a regional, private school conference with diminishing national name recognition. This is probably as good as they get barring a early 1980s type run. It's become the Villlanova and everyone else league.

Bull, they have more than 100 out of 180 on national TV. ESPN+ is not somehow better than an over the air nationally carried channel.

Just a 2 second google search got me this.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2018/9/13/b...edule.aspx

Quote:The BIG EAST will have more over-the-air national telecasts than any conference. The exposure on the FOX broadcast network includes at least 17 games in the regular season, all on weekends. The league’s continuing double round-robin competition culminates with FOX Sports complete coverage of the BIG EAST Tournament played at Madison Square Garden.

This season, FS1 will carry more than 100 BIG EAST games overall. All 90 conference regular-season games again will be televised. Eighty-four of the 90 BIG EAST contests will include at least one league team that made the postseason in 2017-18. Play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson along with analysts Bill Raftery and Jim Jackson are back to form the FOX Sports lead announce teams.

CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network again will televise selected BIG EAST games, with CBS Sports carrying at least three contests on its broadcast network. The two league games are St. John’s at Georgetown on Jan. 5 and reigning NCAA Champion Villanova at Xavier on Feb. 24. Butler versus Indiana on Dec. 15 in the Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis, Ind., is the non-league contest.

The BIG EAST will have at least 21 over-the-air network broadcasts – 17 or 18 on FOX in the regular season, the BIG EAST Tournament title game, and three on CBS Sports.

The CBS Sports Network schedule includes 16 conference contests and at least one non-league game as well as Providence vs. Wichita State in the Veterans Classic on Nov. 9 at the Naval Academy. Each of the six BIG EAST schools that played in the NCAA Tournament will make multiple appearances.
The BIG EAST conference schedule begins Saturday, Dec. 29, with two games – Xavier at DePaul and St. John’s at Seton Hall.

Okay so thats 100 games on FS1, 18 on Fox and 3 on CBS OTA. Thats 121 games on national TV. So stop spinning this like the Big East has a terrible TV deal in reality they have a great TV deal especially compared to the G5 and even some P5 conferences. Talk all you want about Hong Kong but folks in the US have better access to Big East games than the do the AAC or the Pac-12. Thats a fact and I have backed mine up while you have used conjecture and hyperbole.

You are double counting games. The total package is 100 games. Fox sub licensed 20 games to CBS who airs 3 on OTA and 17 on CBS sports. Of the 80 games left 15-20 are broadcast on Fox OTA and the rest on FS1/FS2. Google is your friend but only if you know how to use it and understand what it shows you. Second FS1/FS2 have a lower rate of households than ESPN and CBS sports is even smaller than FS1 for 17 of those games. Third the AAC total package is 75 games in basketball on ESPN/CBS. Apples to Apples in men's basketball the Big East has 25 more games on "regular" television. If ESPN continues with its practice of sub licensing AAC games to CBS sports it will likely be a small 20-25 game package or in other words 100-100 with 20ish for both on CBS/CBS sports and the rest on Disney or Fox depending.

If you include overall appearences for all Olympic sports (non-football) the AAC actually will more coverage on the mouse than the Big East does on Fox.

If you take into account the difference in market penetration the AAC is available in roughly the same number of total households as the big east is just for men's basketball (ESPN has fewer games but more households) with out any sub licensing.

If you take into account actual numbers of people who see the two conferences play, not just who it is available to, the AAC is way ahead.

If you do the actual math of who is watching by who could be watching (viewers/available households) it gets real ugly real quick.

If you look at where those ratings come from you will quickly see no one in Washington is watching the big east.

Finally streaming is the new TV, something like 40% of people under 30 have never had cable, the majority of people under 25 haven't and never will (never chorders) either. Cable is dying because its subscribers base is dying too. The average age of a high end cable package continues to climb at a rate similar to the decline in the number of subscriptions.

I was not knocking the Big East deal, it's a solid deal for them. I was knocking your assertion that it is better than so many other leagues The norm is for 75-100 games of top conferences to be on linear TV. The Atlantic 10 for example gets great coverage on NBC sports which is near ESPN in household/market penetration. I am also quite confident that neither the A10 or BE will be seeing huge rating increases, they are limited in appeal in heavily saturated markets including lots of private schools (all the Big East teams, Davidson, La Salle, Dayton, St. Louis, etc) with small alumni bases. That limits some of their appeal unless they are having consistently outrageous years ala the 1980s big east. Right now the A10 is a mess and the Big East has done well but it's become Villanova and everyone else. Neither situation will attract more viewers.

As to better than the PAC? Not so sure about that as they have games across multiple platforms and good packages even with a good chunk going to the PAC network, but I don't know the actual numbers so you may be right.

(06-15-2019 09:59 AM)f1do Wrote:  BYU Media Day is Tuesday, June 18 with the State of the Program address at 9am MT on BYUtv. Hopefully we hear TV/bowl deal details then.
https://byucougars.com/story/football/12...on-Tuesday

Anything noteworthy?

(06-18-2019 12:17 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 10:01 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 09:43 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:51 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 11:46 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The Big East deal with Fox was for 12 years, starting with the 2013-14 season. So they're halfway through. I suppose the Big East will just go for whoever pays them the best. They'll never get the eyeballs on FS1 that they would on an ESPN platform, but maybe exposure and viewership is not as important to the Big East. They seem to get respect if not eyeballs. After all, with the exception of this past season, they've been able to get good seeds (two #1 seeds in the '18 tournament with Villanova and Xavier) and they've rated high in the polls.

People talk about lack of exposure for the Big East but thats just plain wrong. Every single game of that conference is on national TV. Either of Fox or FS1 and fans wherever they live can watch those games. Thats insane for a conference like the Big East to have that. Yes, FS1 doesn't have the pull as ESPN but everyone in the business knows that the two stations ratings aren't comparable and that any conferences ratings would be significantly lower on Fox Sports. They do have insanely good exposure compared to any one else not in the P5 and even better than some of those conferences. I mean for instance a Providence fan can watch every PC game in Seattle. Can a UW fan say the same thing while living in Providence? Not without paying more than the PC fan pays. They have smaller fan bases than the big state schools for sure but their exposure is not limited. Look at the AAC, they just got a new TV deal where most of their content will be on ESPN+. So now you have to pay a monthly subscription for an app to watch most of your games. Thats terrible exposure since you completely limit any casual general sports fan from tuning in on a raining weekend to watch your teams play.

Not every Big East game is on television. 100 are, out of roughly 180. Around 80 are shown on fox (18 on OTA and 60ish on FS1/2). The Big East coverage for other sports is almost nothing.

The AAC will show at least 40 ESPN games for football from 66 available. For basketball ESPN will show at least 65 games and a 10 game deal is expected with CBS. ESPN will also broadcast most conference championships in Olympic sports and at least 13 women's basketball games.

A lot of AAC content will be on ESPN+, but the vast majority of it is non-revenue sports that were carried on ESPN3/school website or not at all.

Also ESPN+ is available world wide so anyone in Hong Kong, Sydney, or Cairo can watch. Which is as likely as a Big East fan in Washington. Fox ratings for the Big East won't be changing, they're a regional, private school conference with diminishing national name recognition. This is probably as good as they get barring a early 1980s type run. It's become the Villlanova and everyone else league.

Bull, they have more than 100 out of 180 on national TV. ESPN+ is not somehow better than an over the air nationally carried channel.

Just a 2 second google search got me this.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2018/9/13/b...edule.aspx

Quote:The BIG EAST will have more over-the-air national telecasts than any conference. The exposure on the FOX broadcast network includes at least 17 games in the regular season, all on weekends. The league’s continuing double round-robin competition culminates with FOX Sports complete coverage of the BIG EAST Tournament played at Madison Square Garden.

This season, FS1 will carry more than 100 BIG EAST games overall. All 90 conference regular-season games again will be televised. Eighty-four of the 90 BIG EAST contests will include at least one league team that made the postseason in 2017-18. Play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson along with analysts Bill Raftery and Jim Jackson are back to form the FOX Sports lead announce teams.

CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network again will televise selected BIG EAST games, with CBS Sports carrying at least three contests on its broadcast network. The two league games are St. John’s at Georgetown on Jan. 5 and reigning NCAA Champion Villanova at Xavier on Feb. 24. Butler versus Indiana on Dec. 15 in the Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis, Ind., is the non-league contest.

The BIG EAST will have at least 21 over-the-air network broadcasts – 17 or 18 on FOX in the regular season, the BIG EAST Tournament title game, and three on CBS Sports.

The CBS Sports Network schedule includes 16 conference contests and at least one non-league game as well as Providence vs. Wichita State in the Veterans Classic on Nov. 9 at the Naval Academy. Each of the six BIG EAST schools that played in the NCAA Tournament will make multiple appearances.
The BIG EAST conference schedule begins Saturday, Dec. 29, with two games – Xavier at DePaul and St. John’s at Seton Hall.

Okay so thats 100 games on FS1, 18 on Fox and 3 on CBS OTA. Thats 121 games on national TV. So stop spinning this like the Big East has a terrible TV deal in reality they have a great TV deal especially compared to the G5 and even some P5 conferences. Talk all you want about Hong Kong but folks in the US have better access to Big East games than the do the AAC or the Pac-12. Thats a fact and I have backed mine up while you have used conjecture and hyperbole.

You are double counting games. The total package is 100 games. Fox sub licensed 20 games to CBS who airs 3 on OTA and 17 on CBS sports. Of the 80 games left 15-20 are broadcast on Fox OTA and the rest on FS1/FS2. Google is your friend but only if you know how to use it and understand what it shows you. Second FS1/FS2 have a lower rate of households than ESPN and CBS sports is even smaller than FS1 for 17 of those games. Third the AAC total package is 75 games in basketball on ESPN/CBS. Apples to Apples in men's basketball the Big East has 25 more games on "regular" television. If ESPN continues with its practice of sub licensing AAC games to CBS sports it will likely be a small 20-25 game package or in other words 100-100 with 20ish for both on CBS/CBS sports and the rest on Disney or Fox depending.

If you include overall appearences for all Olympic sports (non-football) the AAC actually will more coverage on the mouse than the Big East does on Fox.

If you take into account the difference in market penetration the AAC is available in roughly the same number of total households as the big east is just for men's basketball (ESPN has fewer games but more households) with out any sub licensing.

If you take into account actual numbers of people who see the two conferences play, not just who it is available to, the AAC is way ahead.

If you do the actual math of who is watching by who could be watching (viewers/available households) it gets real ugly real quick.

If you look at where those ratings come from you will quickly see no one in Washington is watching the big east.

Finally streaming is the new TV, something like 40% of people under 30 have never had cable, the majority of people under 25 haven't and never will (never chorders) either. Cable is dying because its subscribers base is dying too. The average age of a high end cable package continues to climb at a rate similar to the decline in the number of subscriptions.

I was not knocking the Big East deal, it's a solid deal for them. I was knocking your assertion that it is better than so many other leagues The norm is for 75-100 games of top conferences to be on linear TV. The Atlantic 10 for example gets great coverage on NBC sports which is near ESPN in household/market penetration. I am also quite confident that neither the A10 or BE will be seeing huge rating increases, they are limited in appeal in heavily saturated markets including lots of private schools (all the Big East teams, Davidson, La Salle, Dayton, St. Louis, etc) with small alumni bases. That limits some of their appeal unless they are having consistently outrageous years ala the 1980s big east. Right now the A10 is a mess and the Big East has done well but it's become Villanova and everyone else. Neither situation will attract more viewers.

As to better than the PAC? Not so sure about that as they have games across multiple platforms and good packages even with a good chunk going to the PAC network, but I don't know the actual numbers so you may be right.

No im not double counting, try reading what I shared again.

Quote:The BIG EAST will have more over-the-air national telecasts than any conference. The exposure on the FOX broadcast network includes at least 17 games in the regular season, all on weekends. The league’s continuing double round-robin competition culminates with FOX Sports complete coverage of the BIG EAST Tournament played at Madison Square Garden.

This season, FS1 will carry more than 100 BIG EAST games overall. All 90 conference regular-season games again will be televised. Eighty-four of the 90 BIG EAST contests will include at least one league team that made the postseason in 2017-18. Play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson along with analysts Bill Raftery and Jim Jackson are back to form the FOX Sports lead announce teams.

CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network again will televise selected BIG EAST games, with CBS Sports carrying at least three contests on its broadcast network. The two league games are St. John’s at Georgetown on Jan. 5 and reigning NCAA Champion Villanova at Xavier on Feb. 24. Butler versus Indiana on Dec. 15 in the Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis, Ind., is the non-league contest.

The BIG EAST will have at least 21 over-the-air network broadcasts – 17 or 18 on FOX in the regular season, the BIG EAST Tournament title game, and three on CBS Sports.

The CBS Sports Network schedule includes 16 conference contests and at least one non-league game as well as Providence vs. Wichita State in the Veterans Classic on Nov. 9 at the Naval Academy. Each of the six BIG EAST schools that played in the NCAA Tournament will make multiple appearances.
The BIG EAST conference schedule begins Saturday, Dec. 29, with two games – Xavier at DePaul and St. John’s at Seton Hall.

FS1 carried 100 games (the link says over 100 but i'll make the math easy and say 100). Thats 100 games on FS1 just so you're clear. No double counting there.

CBS OTA carried at least 3

Fox OTA carried 18

Thats not counting CBS Sports or FS2. Thats 121 games carried nationally.

I know how to use google and I just laid out actual facts and actual #'s with proof to back it up and you haven't posted a single link to any fact to back up your #'s.

No one cares about olympic sports coverage since that brings ZERO dollars to any contract.

Yes, streaming is the future but it's not the present and not the near future. Once the big boys are on ESPN+ then sure it's a viable option for your conference but as of now no casual fan is buying ESPN+ and tuning into AAC games.

Like I said before it's easier for a Providence alum to watch the all the Friars games in Seattle than it is for the UW alum to watch all the Huskies games in Providence.

(06-18-2019 01:25 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 12:17 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 10:01 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 09:43 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:51 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  People talk about lack of exposure for the Big East but thats just plain wrong. Every single game of that conference is on national TV. Either of Fox or FS1 and fans wherever they live can watch those games. Thats insane for a conference like the Big East to have that. Yes, FS1 doesn't have the pull as ESPN but everyone in the business knows that the two stations ratings aren't comparable and that any conferences ratings would be significantly lower on Fox Sports. They do have insanely good exposure compared to any one else not in the P5 and even better than some of those conferences. I mean for instance a Providence fan can watch every PC game in Seattle. Can a UW fan say the same thing while living in Providence? Not without paying more than the PC fan pays. They have smaller fan bases than the big state schools for sure but their exposure is not limited. Look at the AAC, they just got a new TV deal where most of their content will be on ESPN+. So now you have to pay a monthly subscription for an app to watch most of your games. Thats terrible exposure since you completely limit any casual general sports fan from tuning in on a raining weekend to watch your teams play.

Not every Big East game is on television. 100 are, out of roughly 180. Around 80 are shown on fox (18 on OTA and 60ish on FS1/2). The Big East coverage for other sports is almost nothing.

The AAC will show at least 40 ESPN games for football from 66 available. For basketball ESPN will show at least 65 games and a 10 game deal is expected with CBS. ESPN will also broadcast most conference championships in Olympic sports and at least 13 women's basketball games.

A lot of AAC content will be on ESPN+, but the vast majority of it is non-revenue sports that were carried on ESPN3/school website or not at all.

Also ESPN+ is available world wide so anyone in Hong Kong, Sydney, or Cairo can watch. Which is as likely as a Big East fan in Washington. Fox ratings for the Big East won't be changing, they're a regional, private school conference with diminishing national name recognition. This is probably as good as they get barring a early 1980s type run. It's become the Villlanova and everyone else league.

Bull, they have more than 100 out of 180 on national TV. ESPN+ is not somehow better than an over the air nationally carried channel.

Just a 2 second google search got me this.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2018/9/13/b...edule.aspx

Quote:The BIG EAST will have more over-the-air national telecasts than any conference. The exposure on the FOX broadcast network includes at least 17 games in the regular season, all on weekends. The league’s continuing double round-robin competition culminates with FOX Sports complete coverage of the BIG EAST Tournament played at Madison Square Garden.

This season, FS1 will carry more than 100 BIG EAST games overall. All 90 conference regular-season games again will be televised. Eighty-four of the 90 BIG EAST contests will include at least one league team that made the postseason in 2017-18. Play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson along with analysts Bill Raftery and Jim Jackson are back to form the FOX Sports lead announce teams.

CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network again will televise selected BIG EAST games, with CBS Sports carrying at least three contests on its broadcast network. The two league games are St. John’s at Georgetown on Jan. 5 and reigning NCAA Champion Villanova at Xavier on Feb. 24. Butler versus Indiana on Dec. 15 in the Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis, Ind., is the non-league contest.

The BIG EAST will have at least 21 over-the-air network broadcasts – 17 or 18 on FOX in the regular season, the BIG EAST Tournament title game, and three on CBS Sports.

The CBS Sports Network schedule includes 16 conference contests and at least one non-league game as well as Providence vs. Wichita State in the Veterans Classic on Nov. 9 at the Naval Academy. Each of the six BIG EAST schools that played in the NCAA Tournament will make multiple appearances.
The BIG EAST conference schedule begins Saturday, Dec. 29, with two games – Xavier at DePaul and St. John’s at Seton Hall.

Okay so thats 100 games on FS1, 18 on Fox and 3 on CBS OTA. Thats 121 games on national TV. So stop spinning this like the Big East has a terrible TV deal in reality they have a great TV deal especially compared to the G5 and even some P5 conferences. Talk all you want about Hong Kong but folks in the US have better access to Big East games than the do the AAC or the Pac-12. Thats a fact and I have backed mine up while you have used conjecture and hyperbole.

You are double counting games. The total package is 100 games. Fox sub licensed 20 games to CBS who airs 3 on OTA and 17 on CBS sports. Of the 80 games left 15-20 are broadcast on Fox OTA and the rest on FS1/FS2. Google is your friend but only if you know how to use it and understand what it shows you. Second FS1/FS2 have a lower rate of households than ESPN and CBS sports is even smaller than FS1 for 17 of those games. Third the AAC total package is 75 games in basketball on ESPN/CBS. Apples to Apples in men's basketball the Big East has 25 more games on "regular" television. If ESPN continues with its practice of sub licensing AAC games to CBS sports it will likely be a small 20-25 game package or in other words 100-100 with 20ish for both on CBS/CBS sports and the rest on Disney or Fox depending.

If you include overall appearences for all Olympic sports (non-football) the AAC actually will more coverage on the mouse than the Big East does on Fox.

If you take into account the difference in market penetration the AAC is available in roughly the same number of total households as the big east is just for men's basketball (ESPN has fewer games but more households) with out any sub licensing.

If you take into account actual numbers of people who see the two conferences play, not just who it is available to, the AAC is way ahead.

If you do the actual math of who is watching by who could be watching (viewers/available households) it gets real ugly real quick.

If you look at where those ratings come from you will quickly see no one in Washington is watching the big east.

Finally streaming is the new TV, something like 40% of people under 30 have never had cable, the majority of people under 25 haven't and never will (never chorders) either. Cable is dying because its subscribers base is dying too. The average age of a high end cable package continues to climb at a rate similar to the decline in the number of subscriptions.

I was not knocking the Big East deal, it's a solid deal for them. I was knocking your assertion that it is better than so many other leagues The norm is for 75-100 games of top conferences to be on linear TV. The Atlantic 10 for example gets great coverage on NBC sports which is near ESPN in household/market penetration. I am also quite confident that neither the A10 or BE will be seeing huge rating increases, they are limited in appeal in heavily saturated markets including lots of private schools (all the Big East teams, Davidson, La Salle, Dayton, St. Louis, etc) with small alumni bases. That limits some of their appeal unless they are having consistently outrageous years ala the 1980s big east. Right now the A10 is a mess and the Big East has done well but it's become Villanova and everyone else. Neither situation will attract more viewers.

As to better than the PAC? Not so sure about that as they have games across multiple platforms and good packages even with a good chunk going to the PAC network, but I don't know the actual numbers so you may be right.

No im not double counting, try reading what I shared again.

Quote:The BIG EAST will have more over-the-air national telecasts than any conference. The exposure on the FOX broadcast network includes at least 17 games in the regular season, all on weekends. The league’s continuing double round-robin competition culminates with FOX Sports complete coverage of the BIG EAST Tournament played at Madison Square Garden.

This season, FS1 will carry more than 100 BIG EAST games overall. All 90 conference regular-season games again will be televised. Eighty-four of the 90 BIG EAST contests will include at least one league team that made the postseason in 2017-18. Play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson along with analysts Bill Raftery and Jim Jackson are back to form the FOX Sports lead announce teams.

CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network again will televise selected BIG EAST games, with CBS Sports carrying at least three contests on its broadcast network. The two league games are St. John’s at Georgetown on Jan. 5 and reigning NCAA Champion Villanova at Xavier on Feb. 24. Butler versus Indiana on Dec. 15 in the Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis, Ind., is the non-league contest.

The BIG EAST will have at least 21 over-the-air network broadcasts – 17 or 18 on FOX in the regular season, the BIG EAST Tournament title game, and three on CBS Sports.

The CBS Sports Network schedule includes 16 conference contests and at least one non-league game as well as Providence vs. Wichita State in the Veterans Classic on Nov. 9 at the Naval Academy. Each of the six BIG EAST schools that played in the NCAA Tournament will make multiple appearances.
The BIG EAST conference schedule begins Saturday, Dec. 29, with two games – Xavier at DePaul and St. John’s at Seton Hall.

FS1 carried 100 games (the link says over 100 but i'll make the math easy and say 100). Thats 100 games on FS1 just so you're clear. No double counting there.

CBS OTA carried at least 3

Fox OTA carried 18

Thats not counting CBS Sports or FS2. Thats 121 games carried nationally.

I know how to use google and I just laid out actual facts and actual #'s with proof to back it up and you haven't posted a single link to any fact to back up your #'s.

No one cares about olympic sports coverage since that brings ZERO dollars to any contract.

Yes, streaming is the future but it's not the present and not the near future. Once the big boys are on ESPN+ then sure it's a viable option for your conference but as of now no casual fan is buying ESPN+ and tuning into AAC games.

Like I said before it's easier for a Providence alum to watch the all the Friars games in Seattle than it is for the UW alum to watch all the Huskies games in Providence.

Here is one article with all the links to the actual contracts covered.

It was 17-18 on fox, 3 on CBS, 90 on FS1, 17 on CBS sports last year. So 120.

https://awfulannouncing.com/cbs/cbs-big-...24-25.html

Quote:

Quote:This isn’t going to lead to any dramatic changes in Big East television coverage, as CBS’ new sublicensing package looks a lot like their old one. For reference, last season saw CBS carry 18 Big East league contests (two on broadcast and 16 on CBSSN), plus a non-league contest (Butler-Indiana) on broadcast and a non-league game (Providence-Wichita State) on CBSSN. So this should be about the same in each year of the new deal. (And this is still the minor part of the Big East’s television presence; last year saw them with over 100 Big East games on Fox’s networks, including 17 to 18 on Fox’s broadcast network and including the other 90 regular-season games.)

Already happened and big boys are already there.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...ement-espn

https://techjury.net/blog/cord-cutting-statistics/


Not sure how you figure this? Lots of big east games aren't on national TV, or any TV. Using a dish system, sling, etc you can get the PAC network any where, and they still have games on ESPN (48) and Fox (20 +2 OTA) as well as CBS (2 OTA). A total of 72 actually on those channels. Oh and they have every game televised, every game. So for PAC teams its 75 to 102 (CBS sports is as available as the PAC) and 145 to 20 vs Big East.

https://pac-12.com/article/2018/09/26/pa...t-schedule

(06-18-2019 02:26 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 01:25 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 12:17 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 10:01 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 09:43 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Not every Big East game is on television. 100 are, out of roughly 180. Around 80 are shown on fox (18 on OTA and 60ish on FS1/2). The Big East coverage for other sports is almost nothing.

The AAC will show at least 40 ESPN games for football from 66 available. For basketball ESPN will show at least 65 games and a 10 game deal is expected with CBS. ESPN will also broadcast most conference championships in Olympic sports and at least 13 women's basketball games.

A lot of AAC content will be on ESPN+, but the vast majority of it is non-revenue sports that were carried on ESPN3/school website or not at all.

Also ESPN+ is available world wide so anyone in Hong Kong, Sydney, or Cairo can watch. Which is as likely as a Big East fan in Washington. Fox ratings for the Big East won't be changing, they're a regional, private school conference with diminishing national name recognition. This is probably as good as they get barring a early 1980s type run. It's become the Villlanova and everyone else league.

Bull, they have more than 100 out of 180 on national TV. ESPN+ is not somehow better than an over the air nationally carried channel.

Just a 2 second google search got me this.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2018/9/13/b...edule.aspx

Quote:The BIG EAST will have more over-the-air national telecasts than any conference. The exposure on the FOX broadcast network includes at least 17 games in the regular season, all on weekends. The league’s continuing double round-robin competition culminates with FOX Sports complete coverage of the BIG EAST Tournament played at Madison Square Garden.

This season, FS1 will carry more than 100 BIG EAST games overall. All 90 conference regular-season games again will be televised. Eighty-four of the 90 BIG EAST contests will include at least one league team that made the postseason in 2017-18. Play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson along with analysts Bill Raftery and Jim Jackson are back to form the FOX Sports lead announce teams.

CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network again will televise selected BIG EAST games, with CBS Sports carrying at least three contests on its broadcast network. The two league games are St. John’s at Georgetown on Jan. 5 and reigning NCAA Champion Villanova at Xavier on Feb. 24. Butler versus Indiana on Dec. 15 in the Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis, Ind., is the non-league contest.

The BIG EAST will have at least 21 over-the-air network broadcasts – 17 or 18 on FOX in the regular season, the BIG EAST Tournament title game, and three on CBS Sports.

The CBS Sports Network schedule includes 16 conference contests and at least one non-league game as well as Providence vs. Wichita State in the Veterans Classic on Nov. 9 at the Naval Academy. Each of the six BIG EAST schools that played in the NCAA Tournament will make multiple appearances.
The BIG EAST conference schedule begins Saturday, Dec. 29, with two games – Xavier at DePaul and St. John’s at Seton Hall.

Okay so thats 100 games on FS1, 18 on Fox and 3 on CBS OTA. Thats 121 games on national TV. So stop spinning this like the Big East has a terrible TV deal in reality they have a great TV deal especially compared to the G5 and even some P5 conferences. Talk all you want about Hong Kong but folks in the US have better access to Big East games than the do the AAC or the Pac-12. Thats a fact and I have backed mine up while you have used conjecture and hyperbole.

You are double counting games. The total package is 100 games. Fox sub licensed 20 games to CBS who airs 3 on OTA and 17 on CBS sports. Of the 80 games left 15-20 are broadcast on Fox OTA and the rest on FS1/FS2. Google is your friend but only if you know how to use it and understand what it shows you. Second FS1/FS2 have a lower rate of households than ESPN and CBS sports is even smaller than FS1 for 17 of those games. Third the AAC total package is 75 games in basketball on ESPN/CBS. Apples to Apples in men's basketball the Big East has 25 more games on "regular" television. If ESPN continues with its practice of sub licensing AAC games to CBS sports it will likely be a small 20-25 game package or in other words 100-100 with 20ish for both on CBS/CBS sports and the rest on Disney or Fox depending.

If you include overall appearences for all Olympic sports (non-football) the AAC actually will more coverage on the mouse than the Big East does on Fox.

If you take into account the difference in market penetration the AAC is available in roughly the same number of total households as the big east is just for men's basketball (ESPN has fewer games but more households) with out any sub licensing.

If you take into account actual numbers of people who see the two conferences play, not just who it is available to, the AAC is way ahead.

If you do the actual math of who is watching by who could be watching (viewers/available households) it gets real ugly real quick.

If you look at where those ratings come from you will quickly see no one in Washington is watching the big east.

Finally streaming is the new TV, something like 40% of people under 30 have never had cable, the majority of people under 25 haven't and never will (never chorders) either. Cable is dying because its subscribers base is dying too. The average age of a high end cable package continues to climb at a rate similar to the decline in the number of subscriptions.

I was not knocking the Big East deal, it's a solid deal for them. I was knocking your assertion that it is better than so many other leagues The norm is for 75-100 games of top conferences to be on linear TV. The Atlantic 10 for example gets great coverage on NBC sports which is near ESPN in household/market penetration. I am also quite confident that neither the A10 or BE will be seeing huge rating increases, they are limited in appeal in heavily saturated markets including lots of private schools (all the Big East teams, Davidson, La Salle, Dayton, St. Louis, etc) with small alumni bases. That limits some of their appeal unless they are having consistently outrageous years ala the 1980s big east. Right now the A10 is a mess and the Big East has done well but it's become Villanova and everyone else. Neither situation will attract more viewers.

As to better than the PAC? Not so sure about that as they have games across multiple platforms and good packages even with a good chunk going to the PAC network, but I don't know the actual numbers so you may be right.

No im not double counting, try reading what I shared again.

Quote:The BIG EAST will have more over-the-air national telecasts than any conference. The exposure on the FOX broadcast network includes at least 17 games in the regular season, all on weekends. The league’s continuing double round-robin competition culminates with FOX Sports complete coverage of the BIG EAST Tournament played at Madison Square Garden.

This season, FS1 will carry more than 100 BIG EAST games overall. All 90 conference regular-season games again will be televised. Eighty-four of the 90 BIG EAST contests will include at least one league team that made the postseason in 2017-18. Play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson along with analysts Bill Raftery and Jim Jackson are back to form the FOX Sports lead announce teams.

CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network again will televise selected BIG EAST games, with CBS Sports carrying at least three contests on its broadcast network. The two league games are St. John’s at Georgetown on Jan. 5 and reigning NCAA Champion Villanova at Xavier on Feb. 24. Butler versus Indiana on Dec. 15 in the Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis, Ind., is the non-league contest.

The BIG EAST will have at least 21 over-the-air network broadcasts – 17 or 18 on FOX in the regular season, the BIG EAST Tournament title game, and three on CBS Sports.

The CBS Sports Network schedule includes 16 conference contests and at least one non-league game as well as Providence vs. Wichita State in the Veterans Classic on Nov. 9 at the Naval Academy. Each of the six BIG EAST schools that played in the NCAA Tournament will make multiple appearances.
The BIG EAST conference schedule begins Saturday, Dec. 29, with two games – Xavier at DePaul and St. John’s at Seton Hall.

FS1 carried 100 games (the link says over 100 but i'll make the math easy and say 100). Thats 100 games on FS1 just so you're clear. No double counting there.

CBS OTA carried at least 3

Fox OTA carried 18

Thats not counting CBS Sports or FS2. Thats 121 games carried nationally.

I know how to use google and I just laid out actual facts and actual #'s with proof to back it up and you haven't posted a single link to any fact to back up your #'s.

No one cares about olympic sports coverage since that brings ZERO dollars to any contract.

Yes, streaming is the future but it's not the present and not the near future. Once the big boys are on ESPN+ then sure it's a viable option for your conference but as of now no casual fan is buying ESPN+ and tuning into AAC games.

Like I said before it's easier for a Providence alum to watch the all the Friars games in Seattle than it is for the UW alum to watch all the Huskies games in Providence.

Here is one article with all the links to the actual contracts covered.

It was 17-18 on fox, 3 on CBS, 90 on FS1, 17 on CBS sports last year. So 120.

https://awfulannouncing.com/cbs/cbs-big-...24-25.html

Quote:

Quote:This isn’t going to lead to any dramatic changes in Big East television coverage, as CBS’ new sublicensing package looks a lot like their old one. For reference, last season saw CBS carry 18 Big East league contests (two on broadcast and 16 on CBSSN), plus a non-league contest (Butler-Indiana) on broadcast and a non-league game (Providence-Wichita State) on CBSSN. So this should be about the same in each year of the new deal. (And this is still the minor part of the Big East’s television presence; last year saw them with over 100 Big East games on Fox’s networks, including 17 to 18 on Fox’s broadcast network and including the other 90 regular-season games.)

Already happened and big boys are already there.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...ement-espn

https://techjury.net/blog/cord-cutting-statistics/


Not sure how you figure this? Lots of big east games aren't on national TV, or any TV. Using a dish system, sling, etc you can get the PAC network any where, and they still have games on ESPN (48) and Fox (20 +2 OTA) as well as CBS (2 OTA). A total of 72 actually on those channels. Oh and they have every game televised, every game. So for PAC teams its 75 to 102 (CBS sports is as available as the PAC) and 145 to 20 vs Big East.

https://pac-12.com/article/2018/09/26/pa...t-schedule

I'm calling BS on lots of Big East games weren't even on TV. Even the early season dreg games against lower level D-1 opponents were televised.

https://whiteandbluereview.com/2018-19-b...-schedule/

Every regular season game was televised. This is what i meant by hyperbole and conjecture.

Also I never said people weren't streaming, I said when the big boys get on ESPN+ then it could be big exposure for the AAC. Only the small guys of the Big XII will have 1 game a year on ESPN+ along with their olympic sports. Texas and OU aren't going to ESPN+ so like I said the big boys i meant the big boys.

(06-18-2019 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 02:26 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 01:25 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 12:17 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 10:01 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Bull, they have more than 100 out of 180 on national TV. ESPN+ is not somehow better than an over the air nationally carried channel.

Just a 2 second google search got me this.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2018/9/13/b...edule.aspx


Okay so thats 100 games on FS1, 18 on Fox and 3 on CBS OTA. Thats 121 games on national TV. So stop spinning this like the Big East has a terrible TV deal in reality they have a great TV deal especially compared to the G5 and even some P5 conferences. Talk all you want about Hong Kong but folks in the US have better access to Big East games than the do the AAC or the Pac-12. Thats a fact and I have backed mine up while you have used conjecture and hyperbole.

You are double counting games. The total package is 100 games. Fox sub licensed 20 games to CBS who airs 3 on OTA and 17 on CBS sports. Of the 80 games left 15-20 are broadcast on Fox OTA and the rest on FS1/FS2. Google is your friend but only if you know how to use it and understand what it shows you. Second FS1/FS2 have a lower rate of households than ESPN and CBS sports is even smaller than FS1 for 17 of those games. Third the AAC total package is 75 games in basketball on ESPN/CBS. Apples to Apples in men's basketball the Big East has 25 more games on "regular" television. If ESPN continues with its practice of sub licensing AAC games to CBS sports it will likely be a small 20-25 game package or in other words 100-100 with 20ish for both on CBS/CBS sports and the rest on Disney or Fox depending.

If you include overall appearences for all Olympic sports (non-football) the AAC actually will more coverage on the mouse than the Big East does on Fox.

If you take into account the difference in market penetration the AAC is available in roughly the same number of total households as the big east is just for men's basketball (ESPN has fewer games but more households) with out any sub licensing.

If you take into account actual numbers of people who see the two conferences play, not just who it is available to, the AAC is way ahead.

If you do the actual math of who is watching by who could be watching (viewers/available households) it gets real ugly real quick.

If you look at where those ratings come from you will quickly see no one in Washington is watching the big east.

Finally streaming is the new TV, something like 40% of people under 30 have never had cable, the majority of people under 25 haven't and never will (never chorders) either. Cable is dying because its subscribers base is dying too. The average age of a high end cable package continues to climb at a rate similar to the decline in the number of subscriptions.

I was not knocking the Big East deal, it's a solid deal for them. I was knocking your assertion that it is better than so many other leagues The norm is for 75-100 games of top conferences to be on linear TV. The Atlantic 10 for example gets great coverage on NBC sports which is near ESPN in household/market penetration. I am also quite confident that neither the A10 or BE will be seeing huge rating increases, they are limited in appeal in heavily saturated markets including lots of private schools (all the Big East teams, Davidson, La Salle, Dayton, St. Louis, etc) with small alumni bases. That limits some of their appeal unless they are having consistently outrageous years ala the 1980s big east. Right now the A10 is a mess and the Big East has done well but it's become Villanova and everyone else. Neither situation will attract more viewers.

As to better than the PAC? Not so sure about that as they have games across multiple platforms and good packages even with a good chunk going to the PAC network, but I don't know the actual numbers so you may be right.

No im not double counting, try reading what I shared again.

Quote:The BIG EAST will have more over-the-air national telecasts than any conference. The exposure on the FOX broadcast network includes at least 17 games in the regular season, all on weekends. The league’s continuing double round-robin competition culminates with FOX Sports complete coverage of the BIG EAST Tournament played at Madison Square Garden.

This season, FS1 will carry more than 100 BIG EAST games overall. All 90 conference regular-season games again will be televised. Eighty-four of the 90 BIG EAST contests will include at least one league team that made the postseason in 2017-18. Play-by-play announcer Gus Johnson along with analysts Bill Raftery and Jim Jackson are back to form the FOX Sports lead announce teams.

CBS Sports and CBS Sports Network again will televise selected BIG EAST games, with CBS Sports carrying at least three contests on its broadcast network. The two league games are St. John’s at Georgetown on Jan. 5 and reigning NCAA Champion Villanova at Xavier on Feb. 24. Butler versus Indiana on Dec. 15 in the Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis, Ind., is the non-league contest.

The BIG EAST will have at least 21 over-the-air network broadcasts – 17 or 18 on FOX in the regular season, the BIG EAST Tournament title game, and three on CBS Sports.

The CBS Sports Network schedule includes 16 conference contests and at least one non-league game as well as Providence vs. Wichita State in the Veterans Classic on Nov. 9 at the Naval Academy. Each of the six BIG EAST schools that played in the NCAA Tournament will make multiple appearances.
The BIG EAST conference schedule begins Saturday, Dec. 29, with two games – Xavier at DePaul and St. John’s at Seton Hall.

FS1 carried 100 games (the link says over 100 but i'll make the math easy and say 100). Thats 100 games on FS1 just so you're clear. No double counting there.

CBS OTA carried at least 3

Fox OTA carried 18

Thats not counting CBS Sports or FS2. Thats 121 games carried nationally.

I know how to use google and I just laid out actual facts and actual #'s with proof to back it up and you haven't posted a single link to any fact to back up your #'s.

No one cares about olympic sports coverage since that brings ZERO dollars to any contract.

Yes, streaming is the future but it's not the present and not the near future. Once the big boys are on ESPN+ then sure it's a viable option for your conference but as of now no casual fan is buying ESPN+ and tuning into AAC games.

Like I said before it's easier for a Providence alum to watch the all the Friars games in Seattle than it is for the UW alum to watch all the Huskies games in Providence.

Here is one article with all the links to the actual contracts covered.

It was 17-18 on fox, 3 on CBS, 90 on FS1, 17 on CBS sports last year. So 120.

https://awfulannouncing.com/cbs/cbs-big-...24-25.html

Quote:

Quote:This isn’t going to lead to any dramatic changes in Big East television coverage, as CBS’ new sublicensing package looks a lot like their old one. For reference, last season saw CBS carry 18 Big East league contests (two on broadcast and 16 on CBSSN), plus a non-league contest (Butler-Indiana) on broadcast and a non-league game (Providence-Wichita State) on CBSSN. So this should be about the same in each year of the new deal. (And this is still the minor part of the Big East’s television presence; last year saw them with over 100 Big East games on Fox’s networks, including 17 to 18 on Fox’s broadcast network and including the other 90 regular-season games.)

Already happened and big boys are already there.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...ement-espn

https://techjury.net/blog/cord-cutting-statistics/


Not sure how you figure this? Lots of big east games aren't on national TV, or any TV. Using a dish system, sling, etc you can get the PAC network any where, and they still have games on ESPN (48) and Fox (20 +2 OTA) as well as CBS (2 OTA). A total of 72 actually on those channels. Oh and they have every game televised, every game. So for PAC teams its 75 to 102 (CBS sports is as available as the PAC) and 145 to 20 vs Big East.

https://pac-12.com/article/2018/09/26/pa...t-schedule

I'm calling BS on lots of Big East games weren't even on TV. Even the early season dreg games against lower level D-1 opponents were televised.

https://whiteandbluereview.com/2018-19-b...-schedule/

Every regular season game was televised. This is what i meant by hyperbole and conjecture.

Also I never said people weren't streaming, I said when the big boys get on ESPN+ then it could be big exposure for the AAC. Only the small guys of the Big XII will have 1 game a year on ESPN+ along with their olympic sports. Texas and OU aren't going to ESPN+ so like I said the big boys i meant the big boys.

Lol Rutgers calling any Big Xii team little guys.

No one is watching the big east. Their ratings have little chance of improving. They don't have a better media deal than any p5 team or the AAC. They can claim good deal on men's basketball and better than the AAC's men's basketball line up. Although to be fair I have no idea how many of the AAC road games will appear on television.

(06-18-2019 05:18 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  No one is watching the big east. Their ratings have little chance of improving. They don't have a better media deal than any p5 team or the AAC. They can claim good deal on men's basketball and better than the AAC's men's basketball line up. Although to be fair I have no idea how many of the AAC road games will appear on television.

It's silly to compare the Big East media deal with any of the P5, as the Big East was created as a non-football conference and media deals are largely about football.

Big East isn't trying to compete with the P5 in media deals or football, just basketball. And on that score, they have held their own, which nobody else can say.

(06-18-2019 06:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 05:18 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  No one is watching the big east. Their ratings have little chance of improving. They don't have a better media deal than any p5 team or the AAC. They can claim good deal on men's basketball and better than the AAC's men's basketball line up. Although to be fair I have no idea how many of the AAC road games will appear on television.

It's silly to compare the Big East media deal with any of the P5, as the Big East was created as a non-football conference and media deals are largely about football.

Big East isn't trying to compete with the P5 in media deals or football, just basketball. And on that score, they have held their own, which nobody else can say.

I can pretty much agree with that. As I said the Fox deal is good for them, they are limited but getting the most out of what they can do. A couple deep runs from two or three teams not named Villanova and who knows...

So uh......... anything out of BYU media day?

(06-19-2019 02:57 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  So uh......... anything out of BYU media day?

According to SB Nation piece, they said there is no deal to announce at this time ... the AD expressed satisfaction with the deal over the regular season but indicated that they are still negotiating over bowls. It sounded to the author of the piece that BYU may be aiming for a tiered arrangement which promises a certain level of bowl for a certain level of performance by BYU, but I didn't hear the interview, so that is second hand relaying of an "impression" picked up from the discussion.

(06-19-2019 04:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 02:57 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  So uh......... anything out of BYU media day?

According to SB Nation piece, they said there is no deal to announce at this time ... the AD expressed satisfaction with the deal over the regular season but indicated that they are still negotiating over bowls. It sounded to the author of the piece that BYU may be aiming for a tiered arrangement which promises a certain level of bowl for a certain level of performance by BYU, but I didn't hear the interview, so that is second hand relaying of an "impression" picked up from the discussion.

The AD did previously recorded videos. Basically said they were done with TV negotiations (it will be a 4-6 year type deal) but were still working on bowls. ESPN will be the provider. Right now it appears the PAC is holding up the last of the bowl logistics, the AD said that part (bowls) was a little more difficult because of moving parts.

(06-19-2019 08:03 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 04:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 02:57 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  So uh......... anything out of BYU media day?

According to SB Nation piece, they said there is no deal to announce at this time ... the AD expressed satisfaction with the deal over the regular season but indicated that they are still negotiating over bowls. It sounded to the author of the piece that BYU may be aiming for a tiered arrangement which promises a certain level of bowl for a certain level of performance by BYU, but I didn't hear the interview, so that is second hand relaying of an "impression" picked up from the discussion.

The AD did previously recorded videos. Basically said they were done with TV negotiations (it will be a 4-6 year type deal) but were still working on bowls. ESPN will be the provider. Right now it appears the PAC is holding up the last of the bowl logistics, the AD said that part (bowls) was a little more difficult because of moving parts.

It’s not the PAC12 holding it up, it’s BYU trying to get a better bowl tie-in. However, all of ESPN’s bowls are lower tier, so BYU better take what they can get with ESPN owned bowls because they aren’t getting anything other than a lower tier bowl. All the mid to upper bowls are specifically tie to P5 conferences.

(06-19-2019 08:17 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 08:03 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 04:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 02:57 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  So uh......... anything out of BYU media day?

According to SB Nation piece, they said there is no deal to announce at this time ... the AD expressed satisfaction with the deal over the regular season but indicated that they are still negotiating over bowls. It sounded to the author of the piece that BYU may be aiming for a tiered arrangement which promises a certain level of bowl for a certain level of performance by BYU, but I didn't hear the interview, so that is second hand relaying of an "impression" picked up from the discussion.

The AD did previously recorded videos. Basically said they were done with TV negotiations (it will be a 4-6 year type deal) but were still working on bowls. ESPN will be the provider. Right now it appears the PAC is holding up the last of the bowl logistics, the AD said that part (bowls) was a little more difficult because of moving parts.

It’s not the PAC12 holding it up, it’s BYU trying to get a better bowl tie-in. However, all of ESPN’s bowls are lower tier, so BYU better take what they can get with ESPN owned bowls because they aren’t getting anything other than a lower tier bowl. All the mid to upper bowls are specifically tie to P5 conferences.

Good point. We already know enough pieces to know there are no high or mid level bowl games left with openings. The only thing left are the bottom layer of ESPN owned bowls that are mostly G5 vs G5 games. My guess is this G5 bowl pool thing is happening and BYU is trying to be included—-but wants some sort of written language that is more specific about how they will be handled. Not sure how far they are going to get with that,

(06-19-2019 09:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 08:17 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 08:03 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 04:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 02:57 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  So uh......... anything out of BYU media day?

According to SB Nation piece, they said there is no deal to announce at this time ... the AD expressed satisfaction with the deal over the regular season but indicated that they are still negotiating over bowls. It sounded to the author of the piece that BYU may be aiming for a tiered arrangement which promises a certain level of bowl for a certain level of performance by BYU, but I didn't hear the interview, so that is second hand relaying of an "impression" picked up from the discussion.

The AD did previously recorded videos. Basically said they were done with TV negotiations (it will be a 4-6 year type deal) but were still working on bowls. ESPN will be the provider. Right now it appears the PAC is holding up the last of the bowl logistics, the AD said that part (bowls) was a little more difficult because of moving parts.

It’s not the PAC12 holding it up, it’s BYU trying to get a better bowl tie-in. However, all of ESPN’s bowls are lower tier, so BYU better take what they can get with ESPN owned bowls because they aren’t getting anything other than a lower tier bowl. All the mid to upper bowls are specifically tie to P5 conferences.

Good point. We already know enough pieces to know there are no high or mid level bowl games left with openings. The only thing left are the bottom layer of ESPN owned bowls that are mostly G5 vs G5 games. My guess is this G5 bowl pool thing is happening and BYU is trying to be included—-but wants some sort of written language that is more specific about how they will be handled. Not sure how far they are going to get with that,

I don't think BYU has that much leverage. Only thing left would be AF/First Responder vs B12. Still a question how the tie-ins will work with those bowls. I doubt B12i is in these bowls that often.

The question, will the ACC and PAC 12 try for the Max Tie-ins and are the G5
conferences willing to do a Bowl Pool?

Appears the ACC will do 10 by adding Gasparilla vs SEC. But I could see the ACC basically take over the B10 rotation slot for Armed Forces/First Responder split with the B12 if they wanted to max out. I really think the ACC will be like the SEC and hold at 10. Knowing an 11th team will get placed.


PAC 12
8th Slot - Hawaii Bowl seems like it theirs if they want it. I don't see the P12 interested in Boise or New Mexico. Think P12 will do the same, and hold at 7 bowls.

(06-19-2019 05:52 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 09:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 08:17 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 08:03 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 04:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  According to SB Nation piece, they said there is no deal to announce at this time ... the AD expressed satisfaction with the deal over the regular season but indicated that they are still negotiating over bowls. It sounded to the author of the piece that BYU may be aiming for a tiered arrangement which promises a certain level of bowl for a certain level of performance by BYU, but I didn't hear the interview, so that is second hand relaying of an "impression" picked up from the discussion.

The AD did previously recorded videos. Basically said they were done with TV negotiations (it will be a 4-6 year type deal) but were still working on bowls. ESPN will be the provider. Right now it appears the PAC is holding up the last of the bowl logistics, the AD said that part (bowls) was a little more difficult because of moving parts.

It’s not the PAC12 holding it up, it’s BYU trying to get a better bowl tie-in. However, all of ESPN’s bowls are lower tier, so BYU better take what they can get with ESPN owned bowls because they aren’t getting anything other than a lower tier bowl. All the mid to upper bowls are specifically tie to P5 conferences.

Good point. We already know enough pieces to know there are no high or mid level bowl games left with openings. The only thing left are the bottom layer of ESPN owned bowls that are mostly G5 vs G5 games. My guess is this G5 bowl pool thing is happening and BYU is trying to be included—-but wants some sort of written language that is more specific about how they will be handled. Not sure how far they are going to get with that,

I don't think BYU has that much leverage. Only thing left would be AF/First Responder vs B12. Still a question how the tie-ins will work with those bowls. I doubt B12i is in these bowls that often.

The question, will the ACC and PAC 12 try for the Max Tie-ins and are the G5
conferences willing to do a Bowl Pool?

Appears the ACC will do 10 by adding Gasparilla vs SEC. But I could see the ACC basically take over the B10 rotation slot for Armed Forces/First Responder split with the B12 if they wanted to max out. I really think the ACC will be like the SEC and hold at 10. Knowing an 11th team will get placed.


PAC 12
8th Slot - Hawaii Bowl seems like it theirs if they want it. I don't see the P12 interested in Boise or New Mexico. Think P12 will do the same, and hold at 7 bowls.

I could see the Pac-12 doing something in Texas (Ft Worth/First Responders/Frisco) if they want an opponent outside of the MW. Also, Im starting to wonder if the AAC commitment to the bowl pool actually came as part of the AAC TV negotiation. That scenario would kind of fit with the Holmoe's comments from Provo and might explain why Aresco said the AAC didnt "have room" for the Quick Lane Bowl vs the Big10 when the opportunity came up. You'd think the Quick Lanes would be a no brainer with the AAC's stated goal of acquiring as many bowls against the P5 as possible.