(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Gold for what?
We are already getting as good of rankings as we can.
We are already getting as much respect as we will.
We will NEVER get in the CFP.

(06-06-2019 09:19 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Gold for what?
We are already getting as good of rankings as we can.
We are already getting as much respect as we will.
We will NEVER get in the CFP.

Louisville is thrilled that Tom Jurich and the city didn't see things this way.

(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Agree. Get these games anyway you can. If we travel there twice so be it. We can still have 7 home games. Schedule is improved. Chances to improve ranking increase. Exposure increases. DO IT!

Besides, a trip to talent rich Florida a couple of times is great for recruiting.

We cannot get 7 home games, giving up an away game 2 out of 3 years. 4 AAC away games, only leaves 1 other away game of the 4 OOC games. If you give that up 2 out of 3 years, that would mean the other 3 OOC games all have to be home. The Pres and AD have said we can only afford 1 buy game. So there's no way to get there, giving up 2 for 1's. It was hard enough without 2 for 1's.

The Pres and AD have agreed that we will do 2 for 1's. So they have come to the conclusion that it is more beneficial to do that than to have 7 homes. We will see.

It appears the days of 7 homes will be coming to an end - at least about 75% of the years.

(06-06-2019 09:45 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 09:19 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Gold for what?
We are already getting as good of rankings as we can.
We are already getting as much respect as we will.
We will NEVER get in the CFP.

Louisville is thrilled that Tom Jurich and the city didn't see things this way.

Different time, under much different circumstances. Scheduling had little to do with that.
And you didn't answer the question - gold for what?

It's a great topic to debate. I realize there are true fans on both sides of the issue. And I'm open to understanding the true benefit. I just haven't heard anyone tell it yet.

(06-06-2019 09:45 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 09:19 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Gold for what?
We are already getting as good of rankings as we can.
We are already getting as much respect as we will.
We will NEVER get in the CFP.

Louisville is thrilled that Tom Jurich and the city didn't see things this way.

There were also only 6 conference games in C-USA when they did that in the late 90s.

(06-06-2019 10:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Agree. Get these games anyway you can. If we travel there twice so be it. We can still have 7 home games. Schedule is improved. Chances to improve ranking increase. Exposure increases. DO IT!

Besides, a trip to talent rich Florida a couple of times is great for recruiting.

We cannot get 7 home games, giving up an away game 2 out of 3 years. 4 AAC away games, only leaves 1 other away game of the 4 OOC games. If you give that up 2 out of 3 years, that would mean the other 3 OOC games all have to be home. The Pres and AD have said we can only afford 1 buy game. So there's no way to get there, giving up 2 for 1's. It was hard enough without 2 for 1's.

The Pres and AD have agreed that we will do 2 for 1's. So they have come to the conclusion that it is more beneficial to do that than to have 7 homes. We will see.

It appears the days of 7 homes will be coming to an end - at least about 75% of the years.

It's not all black & white. Not all OOC P-5 contracts will likely be 2 for 1's. OM, MSU come to mind & are on the schedule. UCLA was not 2 for 1, KS was not 2 for 1, MO is not 2 for 1. In the future some others will likely be H&H, some 2 for 1's, some 3 for 2's etc. & heaven forbid, there is even possibility of playing 2 P-5s at home the same year. Point is the sky has not fallin' just because Memphis signed one 2 for 1 series with AR. And frankly a H&H with AR plus a $1M buy game works for us for scheduling & finances, especially playing the first game at Memphis.

(06-06-2019 10:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Agree. Get these games anyway you can. If we travel there twice so be it. We can still have 7 home games. Schedule is improved. Chances to improve ranking increase. Exposure increases. DO IT!

Besides, a trip to talent rich Florida a couple of times is great for recruiting.

We cannot get 7 home games, giving up an away game 2 out of 3 years. 4 AAC away games, only leaves 1 other away game of the 4 OOC games. If you give that up 2 out of 3 years, that would mean the other 3 OOC games all have to be home. The Pres and AD have said we can only afford 1 buy game. So there's no way to get there, giving up 2 for 1's. It was hard enough without 2 for 1's.

The Pres and AD have agreed that we will do 2 for 1's. So they have come to the conclusion that it is more beneficial to do that than to have 7 homes. We will see.

It appears the days of 7 homes will be coming to an end - at least about 75% of the years.

I agree with your math, disagree with the need for 7 home games. Much like the over abundance of empty seats per game creates no incentive to buy season tickets, 7 home games makes it that much harder to entice people to come to games on any given Saturday. 6 is about my limit for gung-ho tailgating per year. I have to really make myself get motivated for that 7th game, especially if we travel to any away games like we did to NewOrleans last year.

(06-06-2019 05:30 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 10:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Agree. Get these games anyway you can. If we travel there twice so be it. We can still have 7 home games. Schedule is improved. Chances to improve ranking increase. Exposure increases. DO IT!

Besides, a trip to talent rich Florida a couple of times is great for recruiting.

We cannot get 7 home games, giving up an away game 2 out of 3 years. 4 AAC away games, only leaves 1 other away game of the 4 OOC games. If you give that up 2 out of 3 years, that would mean the other 3 OOC games all have to be home. The Pres and AD have said we can only afford 1 buy game. So there's no way to get there, giving up 2 for 1's. It was hard enough without 2 for 1's.

The Pres and AD have agreed that we will do 2 for 1's. So they have come to the conclusion that it is more beneficial to do that than to have 7 homes. We will see.

It appears the days of 7 homes will be coming to an end - at least about 75% of the years.

It's not all black & white. Not all OOC P-5 contracts will likely be 2 for 1's. OM, MSU come to mind & are on the schedule. UCLA was not 2 for 1, KS was not 2 for 1, MO is not 2 for 1. In the future some others will likely be H&H, some 2 for 1's, some 3 for 2's etc. & heaven forbid, there is even possibility of playing 2 P-5s at home the same year. Point is the sky has not fallin' just because Memphis signed one 2 for 1 series with AR. And frankly a H&H with AR plus a $1M buy game works for us for scheduling & finances, especially playing the first game at Memphis.

I agree not all will be 2-for-1. We will continue to have H/H with CUSA and other G5s, and trying to keep H/H with one P5 per year.

While it's not all black and white, it is all mathematical. With 4 away AAC games, and 1 away P5 game most years, there is no way to get back to 7 homes. The one buy game will be home. But that means the other 2 games will also have to be home, two out of 3 years. It doesn't work. The way I calculate it, the best you can do is 7 home games once every 6 years - and that's with us getting a 2-for-1 in our favor with someone like Arky State.

(06-06-2019 05:38 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 10:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Agree. Get these games anyway you can. If we travel there twice so be it. We can still have 7 home games. Schedule is improved. Chances to improve ranking increase. Exposure increases. DO IT!

Besides, a trip to talent rich Florida a couple of times is great for recruiting.

We cannot get 7 home games, giving up an away game 2 out of 3 years. 4 AAC away games, only leaves 1 other away game of the 4 OOC games. If you give that up 2 out of 3 years, that would mean the other 3 OOC games all have to be home. The Pres and AD have said we can only afford 1 buy game. So there's no way to get there, giving up 2 for 1's. It was hard enough without 2 for 1's.

The Pres and AD have agreed that we will do 2 for 1's. So they have come to the conclusion that it is more beneficial to do that than to have 7 homes. We will see.

It appears the days of 7 homes will be coming to an end - at least about 75% of the years.

I agree with your math, disagree with the need for 7 home games. Much like the over abundance of empty seats per game creates no incentive to buy season tickets, 7 home games makes it that much harder to entice people to come to games on any given Saturday. 6 is about my limit for gung-ho tailgating per year. I have to really make myself get motivated for that 7th game, especially if we travel to any away games like we did to NewOrleans last year.

Well, to each his own. I absolutely love 7 home games. I know that with my schedule, I'm likely to miss 1-2 games a year. With 7 games, that gives me better opportunities.

Give me a home game against Directional State, rather than a road game against a non-power P5.

I wish every season was a seven-game home season.

A couple of Dudes on this board don't understand the importance of playing major opponents as one Dude said and I agree with, play them at their place and beat them and we're Gold. The Dude and I really don't care where we play, we just want to play and if we beat them at their place, that's the Gold.
Let's talk about the gators, win there and we're not gonna snag some kid who is a lifetime gator fan,
But the Dude who may be second team if lucky, may say Memphis really wants me and I'll probably start
Plus they just beat Florida, I'm gonna be a tiger. The Dude who is gonna be third string, will really think about
Bench sitting.
I'm glad to see a lot of Dudes think like me on the OOC

Florida State got to where they are playing 8 and 9 home games a year (many buy games against comparable teams). One thing I want are more away games that are 1 or 2 day road trips. I like traveling with the team, but most of the games with the east are very difficult trips and some years we play 2 of those. Even some of our west division opponents (Houston, Smu, Navy) can be problematic.
There are many ways to skin the cat, but doing that and keeping the fan base engaged is a tricky feat. I hope we fulfill 2/3's of the Arky contract. Prefer if we only have to do the first 1/3.

(06-07-2019 10:36 AM)memphisike Wrote:  A couple of Dudes on this board don't understand the importance of playing major opponents as one Dude said and I agree with, play them at their place and beat them and we're Gold. The Dude and I really don't care where we play, we just want to play and if we beat them at their place, that's the Gold.
Let's talk about the gators, win there and we're not gonna snag some kid who is a lifetime gator fan,
But the Dude who may be second team if lucky, may say Memphis really wants me and I'll probably start
Plus they just beat Florida, I'm gonna be a tiger. The Dude who is gonna be third string, will really think about
Bench sitting.
I'm glad to see a lot of Dudes think like me on the OOC

you have to understand what type of fans those dudes are - it would explain a lot

(06-06-2019 06:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 05:38 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 10:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Agree. Get these games anyway you can. If we travel there twice so be it. We can still have 7 home games. Schedule is improved. Chances to improve ranking increase. Exposure increases. DO IT!

Besides, a trip to talent rich Florida a couple of times is great for recruiting.

We cannot get 7 home games, giving up an away game 2 out of 3 years. 4 AAC away games, only leaves 1 other away game of the 4 OOC games. If you give that up 2 out of 3 years, that would mean the other 3 OOC games all have to be home. The Pres and AD have said we can only afford 1 buy game. So there's no way to get there, giving up 2 for 1's. It was hard enough without 2 for 1's.

The Pres and AD have agreed that we will do 2 for 1's. So they have come to the conclusion that it is more beneficial to do that than to have 7 homes. We will see.

It appears the days of 7 homes will be coming to an end - at least about 75% of the years.

I agree with your math, disagree with the need for 7 home games. Much like the over abundance of empty seats per game creates no incentive to buy season tickets, 7 home games makes it that much harder to entice people to come to games on any given Saturday. 6 is about my limit for gung-ho tailgating per year. I have to really make myself get motivated for that 7th game, especially if we travel to any away games like we did to NewOrleans last year.

Well, to each his own. I absolutely love 7 home games. I know that with my schedule, I'm likely to miss 1-2 games a year. With 7 games, that gives me better opportunities.

Give me a home game against Directional State, rather than a road game against a non-power P5.

You make a really good point.
On the other side of the argument however, when people talk about attendance, they talk about averages, not totals for the season. The die-hards are not the ones to worry about. We will be there rain or shine, 5 or 7 games. The ones we need to get to the stadium in order to "show out" in attendance figures are the ones who don't have season tickets (yet) and need a sense of urgency in order to make them pull the trigger on some game tickets.

Still, IMHO, upping our profile as it pertains to the competition we have on the schedule, even if it is away games 2 out of 3 times, can only help - not hurt - our local fan interest and support.

(12-20-2018 02:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:04 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 12:49 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:28 AM)3601 Wrote:  2 for 1 deals are probably the future for schools like Memphis and UCF if they want series with upper echelon P5 schools. Boise just signed a 2:1 with Oregon.

Why? Have you not seen other AAC team’s non conference schedules? I see plenty of P5 home and home series.

Quite frankly, we’re the only top program going cream puff.

There is absolutely no incentive for a P5 program to schedule a 1:1 with a G5 school. SEC is pressuring their schools to focus more on P5 non-conference opponents and cupcake buy games. The other conferences will be following suit.

If you were a P5 school, would you schedule a 1:1 with Memphis, UCF, or another G5 school? What's the incentive to do so? Memphis is not a recruiting hotbed, it's perceived as a lesser opponent than a comparable P5 school, and you have the risk of losing.

The divide is getting larger.

Then why are so many other AAC schools getting home and home’s against P5 programs?

There some on the books now. Let's see how many new home and home deals get done over the next few seasons. I hope I'm wrong, but I think these 2 for 1 deals are going to become the norm. Boise/Oregon and USF/Florida have set a precedent.

Another one...

https://fbschedules.com/vanderbilt-smu-s...ll-series/

(06-06-2019 05:30 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 10:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Agree. Get these games anyway you can. If we travel there twice so be it. We can still have 7 home games. Schedule is improved. Chances to improve ranking increase. Exposure increases. DO IT!

Besides, a trip to talent rich Florida a couple of times is great for recruiting.

We cannot get 7 home games, giving up an away game 2 out of 3 years. 4 AAC away games, only leaves 1 other away game of the 4 OOC games. If you give that up 2 out of 3 years, that would mean the other 3 OOC games all have to be home. The Pres and AD have said we can only afford 1 buy game. So there's no way to get there, giving up 2 for 1's. It was hard enough without 2 for 1's.

The Pres and AD have agreed that we will do 2 for 1's. So they have come to the conclusion that it is more beneficial to do that than to have 7 homes. We will see.

It appears the days of 7 homes will be coming to an end - at least about 75% of the years.

It's not all black & white. Not all OOC P-5 contracts will likely be 2 for 1's. OM, MSU come to mind & are on the schedule. UCLA was not 2 for 1, KS was not 2 for 1, MO is not 2 for 1. In the future some others will likely be H&H, some 2 for 1's, some 3 for 2's etc. & heaven forbid, there is even possibility of playing 2 P-5s at home the same year. Point is the sky has not fallin' just because Memphis signed one 2 for 1 series with AR. And frankly a H&H with AR plus a $1M buy game works for us for scheduling & finances, especially playing the first game at Memphis.

Exactly.

(06-13-2019 02:24 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:04 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 12:49 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  There is absolutely no incentive for a P5 program to schedule a 1:1 with a G5 school. SEC is pressuring their schools to focus more on P5 non-conference opponents and cupcake buy games. The other conferences will be following suit.

Then why are so many other AAC schools getting home and home’s against P5 programs?

There some on the books now. Let's see how many new home and home deals get done over the next few seasons. I hope I'm wrong, but I think these 2 for 1 deals are going to become the norm. Boise/Oregon and USF/Florida have set a precedent.

Another one...

https://fbschedules.com/vanderbilt-smu-s...ll-series/

I know that quoted post above is months old, but it seems to me that the answer to the blue question is that the bold statement is not true. I've heard rumblings just the opposite from reporters & talking heads. Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State, etc. are getting criticism for glorified scrimmage cupcake game because they are well-founded enough they don't need it. Sure, Kansas, Minnesota, Vandy, and the like probably need it. I think the top teams are getting pressure to step up and play AAC, MAC, etc. instead of 1-AA, along with OOC P-5 a couple of games.

I'm sure the Dudes that want seven home games, probably want to join the sunbelt
Remember if we play away against a decent opponent it will be televised on a decent network
The main thing is a decent OOC schedule and drop the CUPCAKES

Programs to consider, Maryland, Virginia, Carolina, south Carolina, ga tech va tech, wake forest
Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana, Oregon state
I hope somebody is making calls every day and taking road trips can be fun. U might want to fly to Oregon state

(06-13-2019 07:56 PM)memphisike Wrote:  I'm sure the Dudes that want seven home games, probably want to join the sunbelt
Remember if we play away against a decent opponent it will be televised on a decent network
The main thing is a decent OOC schedule and drop the CUPCAKES

Programs to consider, Maryland, Virginia, Carolina, south Carolina, ga tech va tech, wake forest
Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana, Oregon state
I hope somebody is making calls every day and taking road trips can be fun. U might want to fly to Oregon state

I just ran a "what if"... cuz I ain't chicken...

2 for 1 against Alabama, 2 for 1 against Arkansas, 3 for 3 against State, 1 for 2 against stAte, 2 for 2 against UAB, 2 for 2 against Ole Miss, a 1 for 1 against BYU. All over the next 8 seasons, just to see how many home games we could muster each year.

HOME ..... AWAY
State ..... Alabama
Martin
stAte

Austin Peay .. stAte
Alabama ... State

stAte ..... Alabama
Martin
State

Arkansas .... State
Austin Peay
UAB

Martin ...... Arkansas
State ........ UAB

UAB .......... Arkansas
Ole Miss .....State

Austin Peay .. Ole Miss
BYU .......... UAB

Ole Miss ...... BYU
Martin
La Tech (*)


* start of a home and home series

These are theoretical opponents - just showing how 2 for 1s aren't the end of the world.
So that's 4 years with 7 home games, and 4 years with 6.

(06-18-2019 07:04 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-13-2019 07:56 PM)memphisike Wrote:  I'm sure the Dudes that want seven home games, probably want to join the sunbelt
Remember if we play away against a decent opponent it will be televised on a decent network
The main thing is a decent OOC schedule and drop the CUPCAKES

Programs to consider, Maryland, Virginia, Carolina, south Carolina, ga tech va tech, wake forest
Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana, Oregon state
I hope somebody is making calls every day and taking road trips can be fun. U might want to fly to Oregon state

I just ran a "what if"... cuz I ain't chicken...

2 for 1 against Alabama, 2 for 1 against Arkansas, 3 for 3 against State, 1 for 2 against stAte, 2 for 2 against UAB, 2 for 2 against Ole Miss, a 1 for 1 against BYU. All over the next 8 seasons, just to see how many home games we could muster each year.

HOME ..... AWAY
State ..... Alabama
Martin
stAte

Austin Peay .. stAte
Alabama ... State

stAte ..... Alabama
Martin
State

Arkansas .... State
Austin Peay
UAB

Martin ...... Arkansas
State ........ UAB

UAB .......... Arkansas
Ole Miss .....State

Austin Peay .. Ole Miss
BYU .......... UAB

Ole Miss ...... BYU
Martin
La Tech (*)


* start of a home and home series

These are theoretical opponents - just showing how 2 for 1s aren't the end of the world.
So that's 4 years with 7 home games, and 4 years with 6.

Good math, but no way in hades Miss State and ole miss give us those deals if we are giving up 2:1 to any other P5s, much less AR. AR State isn't about to do a 2:1 against us either. You math is not based in any form or reality.