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(06-12-2019 12:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
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(06-12-2019 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The problem I have with that line is that the ACC had tried to kill the Big East in 2003-2004. Did ESPN tell them to do that, too?

To me, it was clear the ACC was looking for a chance to strike again at the Big East, it didn't need an impetus from ESPN. Not saying ESPN didn't say something about it, but IMO it was happening anyway.

The ACC had it out for the Big East, and for pretty clear reasons.

So using your logic, the conspirator who provides the means, method and literally the roadmap for performing an execution is not to blame for the execution itself?

And to RutgersGuy's point, why do you think ESPN wasn't involved in the first attempt at this?

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Because we don't have any evidence that ESPN was involved in 2003, and the ACC had plenty of motivation in 2003 (and in 2011) to try and kill the Big East anyway, regardless of ESPN's view of the matter. And, for ESPN's part, in 2003 conference media payouts were so small that it wasn't a big deal to try and maneuver something like this.

Just a look at the map during the 2000s showed that if the ACC was going to expand in power and money, it had to go north. And north was where the Big East was.

And they needed assurance from their TV partner that expansion would give them the money they wanted. The ACC doesn't make any moves without checking with ESPN first.

This is probably true - but I don't know if ESPN "told the ACC to raid the Big East" so much as the ACC asked ESPN "how much will you pay us if we add X, Y and Z?"

I like to think ESPN saw it as a way to consolidate valuable assets to one conference and saving money while adding valuable match ups like FSU/Miami. Thats why they have Miami and FSU in different divisions as they dreamed of those two matching up in the CCG and making them both (ESPN and the ACC) lots and lots of money. Too bad Miami decided to jump off a cliff after entering the league and the ACC having multiple CCG between VT and BC take place in empty stadiums in FL.

Let's not get it twisted, the goal was to get Miami the juggernaut into the ACC. The other teams were just to get to 12. Cuse originally invited for their BBall team who would bring big ratings after the recent at the time national title with games against UNC and Duke. That 12th team was a whatever addition of whomever could get the most votes from the members. Didn't work out that way once politics got involved.
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(06-12-2019 07:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:30 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  BYU snubbing ESPN for NBCSN would mean ESPN would snub BYU for bowl games. Without a doubt.

Yup, ask the NHL and Big East what happens when you snub ESPN.

ESPN can’t have the rights to everything. I believe both leagues are doing fine by any metric. Most times it’s better to be someone’s main concern than fighting for 1 persons attention with 20 others.
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(06-12-2019 12:25 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
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(06-12-2019 11:01 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 09:21 AM)usffan Wrote:  So using your logic, the conspirator who provides the means, method and literally the roadmap for performing an execution is not to blame for the execution itself?

And to RutgersGuy's point, why do you think ESPN wasn't involved in the first attempt at this?

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Because we don't have any evidence that ESPN was involved in 2003, and the ACC had plenty of motivation in 2003 (and in 2011) to try and kill the Big East anyway, regardless of ESPN's view of the matter. And, for ESPN's part, in 2003 conference media payouts were so small that it wasn't a big deal to try and maneuver something like this.

Just a look at the map during the 2000s showed that if the ACC was going to expand in power and money, it had to go north. And north was where the Big East was.

And they needed assurance from their TV partner that expansion would give them the money they wanted. The ACC doesn't make any moves without checking with ESPN first.

This is probably true - but I don't know if ESPN "told the ACC to raid the Big East" so much as the ACC asked ESPN "how much will you pay us if we add X, Y and Z?"

I like to think ESPN saw it as a way to consolidate valuable assets to one conference and saving money while adding valuable match ups like FSU/Miami. Thats why they have Miami and FSU in different divisions as they dreamed of those two matching up in the CCG and making them both (ESPN and the ACC) lots and lots of money. Too bad Miami decided to jump off a cliff after entering the league and the ACC having multiple CCG between VT and BC take place in empty stadiums in FL.

Let's not get it twisted, the goal was to get Miami the juggernaut into the ACC. The other teams were just to get to 12. Cuse originally invited for their BBall team who would bring big ratings after the recent at the time national title with games against UNC and Duke. That 12th team was a whatever addition of whomever could get the most votes from the members. Didn't work out that way once politics got involved.

Yup, and the Miami program we knew and they added is never coming back for a multitude of reasons. We will continue to see wildly unrealistic expectations make that coaching job a complete carousel for years to come.
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(06-12-2019 07:30 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  BYU snubbing ESPN for NBCSN would mean ESPN would snub BYU for bowl games. Without a doubt.

Yup, ask the NHL and Big East what happens when you snub ESPN.

ESPN can’t have the rights to everything. I believe both leagues are doing fine by any metric. Most times it’s better to be someone’s main concern than fighting for 1 persons attention with 20 others.

Thats true, but the NHL took a major hit after they turned down an ESPN deal. They went from constantly being on sportscenter to barely being mentioned on the station at all.
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ESPN is a bitter mistress
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That's why, even though I don't really like the deal, am okay with the fact the ESPN bought the Sun Belt's media rights for 7 years.

They'll definitely push MACtion and FunBelt stuff when they need to fill in G5 talking points instead of CUSA or MWC (if they go NFLN route)
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(06-12-2019 09:25 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
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(06-12-2019 08:48 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  BC President saying out loud to the press that "They (ESPN) told us what to do." is proof enough that ESPN was a major player in moving Big East assets to the ACC.

The problem I have with that line is that the ACC had tried to kill the Big East in 2003-2004. Did ESPN tell them to do that, too?

To me, it was clear the ACC was looking for a chance to strike again at the Big East, it didn't need an impetus from ESPN. Not saying ESPN didn't say something about it, but IMO it was happening anyway.

The ACC had it out for the Big East, and for pretty clear reasons.

So using your logic, the conspirator who provides the means, method and literally the roadmap for performing an execution is not to blame for the execution itself?

And to RutgersGuy's point, why do you think ESPN wasn't involved in the first attempt at this?

USFFan

Exactly, given how close ESPN and the ACC are and have been it's hard to imagine they didn't at least give their blessing to the first raid.

Actually as much it pains me as Wolfpack fan, I give Ninja Swofford all the credit for this one. It was that move that enabled the ACC to get in bed with the ESPN. Big East was a far better football conference than the ACC had ever been to that point. Prior to the TV deals, the ACC TV Money was 50% Basketball and 50% Football. I give Swofford credit for realizing this was not a sustainable model going forward. Many, including myself, thought he never turn the ACC into a football conference. He did and has been able to get the deals with ESPN. The ACC could easily become the current version of the AAC (No Offense Intended AAC fans).

Now did ESPN help with Pitt, Syracuse and ND? I would not be surprised.
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(06-12-2019 02:51 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  That's why, even though I don't really like the deal, am okay with the fact the ESPN bought the Sun Belt's media rights for 7 years.

They'll definitely push MACtion and FunBelt stuff when they need to fill in G5 talking points instead of CUSA or MWC (if they go NFLN route)

Exactly! Whats gonna be interesting is when the current BE BBall conference TV rights come up will the WWL go after them? They didn't care at first because they didn't think highly of the group but now that they are doing well they have been talking them up as a true power conference. Will they go after a piece and will the BE decide to stay full on the Fox train or sell some to ESPN. Do the C7 have long memories or is it a case of if it makes dollars it makes sense.
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(06-12-2019 03:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 09:25 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 09:21 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 08:48 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  BC President saying out loud to the press that "They (ESPN) told us what to do." is proof enough that ESPN was a major player in moving Big East assets to the ACC.

The problem I have with that line is that the ACC had tried to kill the Big East in 2003-2004. Did ESPN tell them to do that, too?

To me, it was clear the ACC was looking for a chance to strike again at the Big East, it didn't need an impetus from ESPN. Not saying ESPN didn't say something about it, but IMO it was happening anyway.

The ACC had it out for the Big East, and for pretty clear reasons.

So using your logic, the conspirator who provides the means, method and literally the roadmap for performing an execution is not to blame for the execution itself?

And to RutgersGuy's point, why do you think ESPN wasn't involved in the first attempt at this?

USFFan

Exactly, given how close ESPN and the ACC are and have been it's hard to imagine they didn't at least give their blessing to the first raid.

Actually as much it pains me as Wolfpack fan, I give Ninja Swofford all the credit for this one. It was that move that enabled the ACC to get in bed with the ESPN. Big East was a far better football conference than the ACC had ever been to that point. Prior to the TV deals, the ACC TV Money was 50% Basketball and 50% Football. I give Swofford credit for realizing this was not a sustainable model going forward. Many, including myself, thought he never turn the ACC into a football conference. He did and has been able to get the deals with ESPN. The ACC could easily become the current version of the AAC (No Offense Intended AAC fans).

Now did ESPN help with Pitt, Syracuse and ND? I would not be surprised.

I think most of the credit should go to the Big East basketball schools for gifting the ACC those schools tbh. Pretty certain it was always going to be the Big East on the losing end of realignment. Swofford was the guy who made it happen however sure.

The only way it unfolds much differently is if Joe Pa’s league materializes and you have a NorthEastern football league without the basketball schools. Even if Penn State got into the Big East they’d still have likely left, but with a football league started by them you’d see Penn State became a bigger power than they are today and easily anchor the conference. Probably would have made college football bigger in the northeast.

Penn State
Pitt
Syracuse
Rutgers
Temple
West Virginia
Boston College
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Miami
UConn eventually
Louisville eventually
Cincinnati eventually
ND partial member?

Maybe some of the southern schools defect to the ACC but it’s likely this league is still rock solid today.
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(06-12-2019 02:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 12:58 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:30 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  BYU snubbing ESPN for NBCSN would mean ESPN would snub BYU for bowl games. Without a doubt.

Yup, ask the NHL and Big East what happens when you snub ESPN.

ESPN can’t have the rights to everything. I believe both leagues are doing fine by any metric. Most times it’s better to be someone’s main concern than fighting for 1 persons attention with 20 others.

Thats true, but the NHL took a major hit after they turned down an ESPN deal. They went from constantly being on sportscenter to barely being mentioned on the station at all.

Who still watches Sports Center ? By the time SportsCenter comes on, most people have already seen the highlights they want to on their mobile device.
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(06-12-2019 09:34 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
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(06-12-2019 12:58 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Another ESPN deal makes sense. But NBCSN in particular going after BYU football rights would be a cheap, yet very effective football move if they wanted to add more sports without too much interference of some of the other niche content they have.

NBCSN - Minimum 5 BYU home football games per year + 1 possible game on NBC or on usual NBCSN (BYUtv with same day replay) & possible neutral site game each year featuring BYU or Notre Dame on NBCSN.

It would need to favor more than one possible game on NBC and include a decent bowl game. BYU has 3 or 4 games that could be worthy of NBC broadcast most upcoming seasons. But, I'm not sure there are bowl games available for NBC to even bid on the broadcast rights. So, ESPN deal makes sense.


If NBCSN wanted BYU and a bowl game they could bid on the Arizona Bowl but that'd just be a MWC vs. BYU bowl, which I don't think BYU would want.

The MAC has Arizona locked up for 2020-2025.
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(06-12-2019 03:43 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 02:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 12:58 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:30 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  BYU snubbing ESPN for NBCSN would mean ESPN would snub BYU for bowl games. Without a doubt.

Yup, ask the NHL and Big East what happens when you snub ESPN.

ESPN can’t have the rights to everything. I believe both leagues are doing fine by any metric. Most times it’s better to be someone’s main concern than fighting for 1 persons attention with 20 others.

Thats true, but the NHL took a major hit after they turned down an ESPN deal. They went from constantly being on sportscenter to barely being mentioned on the station at all.

Who still watches Sports Center ? By the time SportsCenter comes on, most people have already seen the highlights they want to on their mobile device.

That’s what I though too.
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(06-12-2019 03:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Actually as much it pains me as Wolfpack fan, I give Ninja Swofford all the credit for this one.

No question: Swofford's raids of the Big East, killing it while adding Cuse, Pitt, Miami, VT, and BC to the ACC fold, is why the ACC is a Power conference today.

It was very wise of the ACC to aggressively attack the Big East. There wasn't room for both of them at the Power level. The ACC realized it, the Big East was blissfully unaware.
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(06-12-2019 03:43 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 02:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 12:58 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:30 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  BYU snubbing ESPN for NBCSN would mean ESPN would snub BYU for bowl games. Without a doubt.

Yup, ask the NHL and Big East what happens when you snub ESPN.

ESPN can’t have the rights to everything. I believe both leagues are doing fine by any metric. Most times it’s better to be someone’s main concern than fighting for 1 persons attention with 20 others.

Thats true, but the NHL took a major hit after they turned down an ESPN deal. They went from constantly being on sportscenter to barely being mentioned on the station at all.

Who still watches Sports Center ? By the time SportsCenter comes on, most people have already seen the highlights they want to on their mobile device.

I'm talking about from the early 00's when the NHL went from ESPN to NBC and lost a ton of coverage. They were a heavy staple on sportscenter in the 90's when that was the go to for all sports news and highlights.
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(06-12-2019 02:37 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 12:58 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:38 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 07:30 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  BYU snubbing ESPN for NBCSN would mean ESPN would snub BYU for bowl games. Without a doubt.

Yup, ask the NHL and Big East what happens when you snub ESPN.

ESPN can’t have the rights to everything. I believe both leagues are doing fine by any metric. Most times it’s better to be someone’s main concern than fighting for 1 persons attention with 20 others.

Thats true, but the NHL took a major hit after they turned down an ESPN deal. They went from constantly being on sportscenter to barely being mentioned on the station at all.

Except the NHL’s ratings went up (as did revenue/attendance). ESPN’s nhl presentation was way better than NBC though. Ratings probably went up because the dead puck era went away.
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I hope BSU gets the money they deserve. They do have a good fan base to attract the numbers that ESPiN wants.
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(06-12-2019 03:09 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  
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(06-12-2019 09:25 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
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(06-12-2019 08:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The problem I have with that line is that the ACC had tried to kill the Big East in 2003-2004. Did ESPN tell them to do that, too?

To me, it was clear the ACC was looking for a chance to strike again at the Big East, it didn't need an impetus from ESPN. Not saying ESPN didn't say something about it, but IMO it was happening anyway.

The ACC had it out for the Big East, and for pretty clear reasons.

So using your logic, the conspirator who provides the means, method and literally the roadmap for performing an execution is not to blame for the execution itself?

And to RutgersGuy's point, why do you think ESPN wasn't involved in the first attempt at this?

USFFan

Exactly, given how close ESPN and the ACC are and have been it's hard to imagine they didn't at least give their blessing to the first raid.

Actually as much it pains me as Wolfpack fan, I give Ninja Swofford all the credit for this one. It was that move that enabled the ACC to get in bed with the ESPN. Big East was a far better football conference than the ACC had ever been to that point. Prior to the TV deals, the ACC TV Money was 50% Basketball and 50% Football. I give Swofford credit for realizing this was not a sustainable model going forward. Many, including myself, thought he never turn the ACC into a football conference. He did and has been able to get the deals with ESPN. The ACC could easily become the current version of the AAC (No Offense Intended AAC fans).

Now did ESPN help with Pitt, Syracuse and ND? I would not be surprised.

I think most of the credit should go to the Big East basketball schools for gifting the ACC those schools tbh. Pretty certain it was always going to be the Big East on the losing end of realignment. Swofford was the guy who made it happen however sure.

The only way it unfolds much differently is if Joe Pa’s league materializes and you have a NorthEastern football league without the basketball schools. Even if Penn State got into the Big East they’d still have likely left, but with a football league started by them you’d see Penn State became a bigger power than they are today and easily anchor the conference. Probably would have made college football bigger in the northeast.

Penn State
Pitt
Syracuse
Rutgers
Temple
West Virginia
Boston College
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Miami
UConn eventually
Louisville eventually
Cincinnati eventually
ND partial member?

Maybe some of the southern schools defect to the ACC but it’s likely this league is still rock solid today.

I would have added ECU to the eventually list, since football was such a key item in the Joe Pa world.
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(06-13-2019 09:06 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 03:09 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 03:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 09:25 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 09:21 AM)usffan Wrote:  So using your logic, the conspirator who provides the means, method and literally the roadmap for performing an execution is not to blame for the execution itself?

And to RutgersGuy's point, why do you think ESPN wasn't involved in the first attempt at this?

USFFan

Exactly, given how close ESPN and the ACC are and have been it's hard to imagine they didn't at least give their blessing to the first raid.

Actually as much it pains me as Wolfpack fan, I give Ninja Swofford all the credit for this one. It was that move that enabled the ACC to get in bed with the ESPN. Big East was a far better football conference than the ACC had ever been to that point. Prior to the TV deals, the ACC TV Money was 50% Basketball and 50% Football. I give Swofford credit for realizing this was not a sustainable model going forward. Many, including myself, thought he never turn the ACC into a football conference. He did and has been able to get the deals with ESPN. The ACC could easily become the current version of the AAC (No Offense Intended AAC fans).

Now did ESPN help with Pitt, Syracuse and ND? I would not be surprised.

I think most of the credit should go to the Big East basketball schools for gifting the ACC those schools tbh. Pretty certain it was always going to be the Big East on the losing end of realignment. Swofford was the guy who made it happen however sure.

The only way it unfolds much differently is if Joe Pa’s league materializes and you have a NorthEastern football league without the basketball schools. Even if Penn State got into the Big East they’d still have likely left, but with a football league started by them you’d see Penn State became a bigger power than they are today and easily anchor the conference. Probably would have made college football bigger in the northeast.

Penn State
Pitt
Syracuse
Rutgers
Temple
West Virginia
Boston College
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Miami
UConn eventually
Louisville eventually
Cincinnati eventually
ND partial member?

Maybe some of the southern schools defect to the ACC but it’s likely this league is still rock solid today.

I would have added ECU to the eventually list, since football was such a key item in the Joe Pa world.

Penn State
Temple
Pitt
Syracuse
Rutgers
Boston College

West Virginia
Virginia Tech


Miami eventually

Florida St to get to 12 for championship
Louisville to get to 12 for championship
Cincinnati to get to 12 for championship

The bottom six form the southern division, top six form the northern. Remember leagues were eight to start. Nine makes sense for home away games balance and adding Miami is an easy powerful independent in the growing market/fertile recruiting of Florida. When the SEC jumps Louisville and Cincy are smart regional adds with basketball and football and are the second schools in both their states. Florida St and Miami means recruiting foothold in Florida and another powerful football school. Most of those schools operated as independents making adding them easier and making much more sense then raiding other conferences.
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BYU Media Day is Tuesday, June 18 with the State of the Program address at 9am MT on BYUtv. Hopefully we hear TV/bowl deal details then.
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RE: BYU, ESPN closing in on a new deal
(06-13-2019 11:20 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 09:06 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 03:09 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 03:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 09:25 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Exactly, given how close ESPN and the ACC are and have been it's hard to imagine they didn't at least give their blessing to the first raid.

Actually as much it pains me as Wolfpack fan, I give Ninja Swofford all the credit for this one. It was that move that enabled the ACC to get in bed with the ESPN. Big East was a far better football conference than the ACC had ever been to that point. Prior to the TV deals, the ACC TV Money was 50% Basketball and 50% Football. I give Swofford credit for realizing this was not a sustainable model going forward. Many, including myself, thought he never turn the ACC into a football conference. He did and has been able to get the deals with ESPN. The ACC could easily become the current version of the AAC (No Offense Intended AAC fans).

Now did ESPN help with Pitt, Syracuse and ND? I would not be surprised.

I think most of the credit should go to the Big East basketball schools for gifting the ACC those schools tbh. Pretty certain it was always going to be the Big East on the losing end of realignment. Swofford was the guy who made it happen however sure.

The only way it unfolds much differently is if Joe Pa’s league materializes and you have a NorthEastern football league without the basketball schools. Even if Penn State got into the Big East they’d still have likely left, but with a football league started by them you’d see Penn State became a bigger power than they are today and easily anchor the conference. Probably would have made college football bigger in the northeast.

Penn State
Pitt
Syracuse
Rutgers
Temple
West Virginia
Boston College
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Miami
UConn eventually
Louisville eventually
Cincinnati eventually
ND partial member?

Maybe some of the southern schools defect to the ACC but it’s likely this league is still rock solid today.

I would have added ECU to the eventually list, since football was such a key item in the Joe Pa world.

Penn State
Temple
Pitt
Syracuse
Rutgers
Boston College

West Virginia
Virginia Tech


Miami eventually

Florida St to get to 12 for championship
Louisville to get to 12 for championship
Cincinnati to get to 12 for championship

The bottom six form the southern division, top six form the northern. Remember leagues were eight to start. Nine makes sense for home away games balance and adding Miami is an easy powerful independent in the growing market/fertile recruiting of Florida. When the SEC jumps Louisville and Cincy are smart regional adds with basketball and football and are the second schools in both their states. Florida St and Miami means recruiting foothold in Florida and another powerful football school. Most of those schools operated as independents making adding them easier and making much more sense then raiding other conferences.

Talk about a strong league. What could have been.
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