(06-11-2019 11:22 AM)Hawks1619 Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  A lot of us may not want to admit or believe this but the better ECU gets the better it is for us. A solid to great ECU baseball team gives us even more national top tier exposure and may be what Coach Hood could eventually use to springboard us to a Super and beyond.

We are extremely fortunate to be in a location where we can play annual home and home contest vs numerous teams in the running to get to Omaha.

Just presenting the facts.

Now back to your pre-programmed pirate disdain.


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Good point. But to push back on that theory, it also provides competition on the recruiting trail. I hate to admit it, but UNCW rarely beats State, UNC or ECU. It helps our RPI that we play them each twice a year, but consistently losing those games shows that we still have a long way to go.

I have never been of the opinion that the way for me to succeed is to have weak competition. I step up my game to be the best instead. That's what we have to do at UNCW concerning athletics.

We upped our academic game to one of the better schools in the UNC system. It's now our job to do the same for athletics.

(06-11-2019 12:22 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 11:22 AM)Hawks1619 Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  A lot of us may not want to admit or believe this but the better ECU gets the better it is for us. A solid to great ECU baseball team gives us even more national top tier exposure and may be what Coach Hood could eventually use to springboard us to a Super and beyond.

We are extremely fortunate to be in a location where we can play annual home and home contest vs numerous teams in the running to get to Omaha.

Just presenting the facts.

Now back to your pre-programmed pirate disdain.


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Good point. But to push back on that theory, it also provides competition on the recruiting trail. I hate to admit it, but UNCW rarely beats State, UNC or ECU. It helps our RPI that we play them each twice a year, but consistently losing those games shows that we still have a long way to go.

I have never been of the opinion that the way for me to succeed is to have weak competition. I step up my game to be the best instead. That's what we have to do at UNCW concerning athletics.

We upped our academic game to one of the better schools in the UNC system. It's now our job to do the same for athletics.

This! ^^^



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(06-11-2019 04:12 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 12:22 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 11:22 AM)Hawks1619 Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  A lot of us may not want to admit or believe this but the better ECU gets the better it is for us. A solid to great ECU baseball team gives us even more national top tier exposure and may be what Coach Hood could eventually use to springboard us to a Super and beyond.

We are extremely fortunate to be in a location where we can play annual home and home contest vs numerous teams in the running to get to Omaha.

Just presenting the facts.

Now back to your pre-programmed pirate disdain.


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Good point. But to push back on that theory, it also provides competition on the recruiting trail. I hate to admit it, but UNCW rarely beats State, UNC or ECU. It helps our RPI that we play them each twice a year, but consistently losing those games shows that we still have a long way to go.

I have never been of the opinion that the way for me to succeed is to have weak competition. I step up my game to be the best instead. That's what we have to do at UNCW concerning athletics.

We upped our academic game to one of the better schools in the UNC system. It's now our job to do the same for athletics.

This! ^^^



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I know we have a losing record against those three teams. But State is the only one we"rarely" beat. We just swept UNC last season. And we have beat them when they were ranked #1 and #6. We also knocked a ranked ECU out of the regionals. Even so, why wouldn't we want to play big programs? The other option is to play lower level teams and be insignificant.

(06-11-2019 04:25 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 04:12 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 12:22 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 11:22 AM)Hawks1619 Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 11:33 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  A lot of us may not want to admit or believe this but the better ECU gets the better it is for us. A solid to great ECU baseball team gives us even more national top tier exposure and may be what Coach Hood could eventually use to springboard us to a Super and beyond.

We are extremely fortunate to be in a location where we can play annual home and home contest vs numerous teams in the running to get to Omaha.

Just presenting the facts.

Now back to your pre-programmed pirate disdain.


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Good point. But to push back on that theory, it also provides competition on the recruiting trail. I hate to admit it, but UNCW rarely beats State, UNC or ECU. It helps our RPI that we play them each twice a year, but consistently losing those games shows that we still have a long way to go.

I have never been of the opinion that the way for me to succeed is to have weak competition. I step up my game to be the best instead. That's what we have to do at UNCW concerning athletics.

We upped our academic game to one of the better schools in the UNC system. It's now our job to do the same for athletics.

This! ^^^



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I know we have a losing record against those three teams. But State is the only one we"rarely" beat. We just swept UNC last season. And we have beat them when they were ranked #1 and #6. We also knocked a ranked ECU out of the regionals. Even so, why wouldn't we want to play big programs? The other option is to play lower level teams and be insignificant.

I'm not saying that we should play weaker competition, I'm just saying the fact that we don't consistently beat those three teams shows that we are not on the same level yet, and those teams have been good for a while now. For arguments sake I went back and checked our record against those three teams through the 2016 season:
UNC: 3-5
NCSU: 1-6
ECU: 1-8

@Sea33hawk is right, we do play UNC well, but a 2-14 record against NCSU and ECU the past four years does make it a rarity when we beat them. We do beat other in-state schools more frequently, including Campbell and Elon, and even Duke in the NCAA tournament. So we're not in that upper tier..yet. I hope Coach Hood can get us there, though.

It goes in cycles. ECU loses a lot of good players this year like UNCW did last year. And, UNCW beat them when it mattered last year. The Hawks need to be more competitive against State too, I agree. Hopefully they will.

(06-11-2019 06:51 PM)Seahawks1619 Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 04:25 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 04:12 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 12:22 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 11:22 AM)Hawks1619 Wrote:  Good point. But to push back on that theory, it also provides competition on the recruiting trail. I hate to admit it, but UNCW rarely beats State, UNC or ECU. It helps our RPI that we play them each twice a year, but consistently losing those games shows that we still have a long way to go.

I have never been of the opinion that the way for me to succeed is to have weak competition. I step up my game to be the best instead. That's what we have to do at UNCW concerning athletics.

We upped our academic game to one of the better schools in the UNC system. It's now our job to do the same for athletics.

This! ^^^



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I know we have a losing record against those three teams. But State is the only one we"rarely" beat. We just swept UNC last season. And we have beat them when they were ranked #1 and #6. We also knocked a ranked ECU out of the regionals. Even so, why wouldn't we want to play big programs? The other option is to play lower level teams and be insignificant.

I'm not saying that we should play weaker competition, I'm just saying the fact that we don't consistently beat those three teams shows that we are not on the same level yet, and those teams have been good for a while now. For arguments sake I went back and checked our record against those three teams through the 2016 season:
UNC: 3-5
NCSU: 1-6
ECU: 1-8

@Sea33hawk is right, we do play UNC well, but a 2-14 record against NCSU and ECU the past four years does make it a rarity when we beat them. We do beat other in-state schools more frequently, including Campbell and Elon, and even Duke in the NCAA tournament. So we're not in that upper tier..yet. I hope Coach Hood can get us there, though.

I got 2-8 against ECU. And 6-13 since 2010.

ECU has a big budget deficit to address. Their enrollment is below projections.

Their athletic department may be facing some cuts to help fill the hole.

Where would you guys say we fall in the pecking order in terms of Baseball programs in NC?

Here's how I would rank them:


1. UNC

* 7 CWS appearances since 2006 (11 all-time appearances)
* 9 Super Regional appearances since 2006

2. NC State

* CWS appearance in 2013 (2nd appearance all-time)
* 4 Super Regional appearances since 2003
* Regional appearances 5 straight years (2015-present)

3. ECU

* 5 Super Regional appearances since 2001
* 16 NCAA Regional appearances since 1999

4. UNCW

* 10 Regional appearances (all since 2003)
* 2 first round draft picks (Greg Jones, Brad Holt)
* 4+ players drafted each year since 2014
* At least 1 player drafted each year since 2008

5. Duke

* Regional appearances 3 of last 4 seasons
* Back to back Super Regional Appearances 2018-19
* 26 players drafted from 2014-present
* 1st round pick in 2012 - Marcus Stroman

6. Wake Forest

* Regional appearances in 2016 & 2017
* 6 Regional appearances between 1998-2007
* Super Regional appearance in 2017
* 24 players drafted since 2014
* 1st round picks in 2016 (Will Craig) and 2018 (Griffin Roberts)

7. Elon

* 6 Regional appearances between 2006-2013
* 15 players drafted since 2013
* 1st round pick in 2019 - George Kirby

8. Campbell

* Regional appearances 3 of last 6 years (back to back 2018-19)
* 10 players drafted since 2013

9. Western Carolina

* Regional appearances in 2007 & 2016 (12 appearances all-time)
* 13 players drafted since 2013

10. UNCG

* Regional appearance in 2017 (3rd in program history)
* 13 players drafted since 2010

11. Appalachian State

* Regional appearance in 2012 (3rd appearance all-time)
* 15 players drafted since 2012

12. Davidson

* 1 Super Regional appearance in 2017 (only NCAA Tournament appearance in program history)
* 4 players drafted since 2011

13. Charlotte

* 3 Regional appearances between 2007-2011
* 11 players drafted since 2013

14. NC A&T

* Regional appearance in 2018 (2nd appearance all-time)
* 5 players drafted since 2011

15. Gardner-Webb

* 7 players drafted since 2016

16. High Point

* 9 players drafted since 2013

17. NC Central

* 2 players drafted (2016 and 2019)

18. UNC Asheville

* Regional appearance in 2006
* 3 players drafted between 2008-2012

I'd have to flop Us and Duke, other than that, pretty spot on. Advancing to Supers twice trumps never getting there IMO.

(06-12-2019 08:39 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I'd have to flop Us and Duke, other than that, pretty spot on. Advancing to Supers twice trumps never getting there IMO.

Disagreed. We've been better for longer, its only very recently that Duke has begun to climb the charts. They'll need to do this a few more years to pass us as a program.

The mid-2000s was the last time we played Duke in the regular season, because we were beating them in 17-1 types of games and Scalf wanted to reserve those non-conference games for more quality NC competition. Its good to see that Duke has come a long ways since then and has finally decided to invest in sports other than basketball.

(06-12-2019 08:48 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 08:39 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I'd have to flop Us and Duke, other than that, pretty spot on. Advancing to Supers twice trumps never getting there IMO.

Disagreed. We've been better for longer, its only very recently that Duke has begun to climb the charts. They'll need to do this a few more years to pass us as a program.

We have to make that next step, that's the goal, no? If you are a FA picking a team, for the same money, you going to go to the team that won the WS or the team that wins their division but loses in the first round every year? Duke has the allure of it being Duke, plus recent success. You are offered a baseball scolly between Duke and UNCW where are you going? No disrespect to UNCW at all, but that choice is easy. We live in a what have you done for me lately world.

When isolating MLB draft picks only, here's the top NC Schools in number of draft picks since 2010, with number of 1st round picks in that span in perentheses:

1. UNC: 55 (7)
2. NC State: 45 (3)
3. UNCW: 39 (1)
4. ECU: 35 (1)
5. Wake Forest: 32 (2)
6. Duke: 29 (1)
7. Elon: 24 (1)

(06-12-2019 08:53 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  We have to make that next step, that's the goal, no? If you are a FA picking a team, for the same money, you going to go to the team that won the WS or the team that wins their division but loses in the first round every year? Duke has the allure of it being Duke, plus recent success. You are offered a baseball scolly between Duke and UNCW where are you going? No disrespect to UNCW at all, but that choice is easy. We live in a what have you done for me lately world.

Going pro trumps NCAA Tournament success. Sometimes those go hand in hand though. As I demonstrated in the above post, we've produced more draft picks than even ECU since 2010.

(06-12-2019 08:59 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  When isolating MLB draft picks only, here's the top NC Schools in number of draft picks since 2010, with number of 1st round picks in that span in perentheses:

1. UNC: 55 (7)
2. NC State: 45 (3)
3. UNCW: 39 (1)
4. ECU: 35 (1)
5. Wake Forest: 32 (2)
6. Duke: 29 (1)
7. Elon: 24 (1)

I wonder how many of those picks actually made the bigs. Can think of a few quickly for UNC/State, and Stroman from Duke

(06-12-2019 09:00 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 08:53 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  We have to make that next step, that's the goal, no? If you are a FA picking a team, for the same money, you going to go to the team that won the WS or the team that wins their division but loses in the first round every year? Duke has the allure of it being Duke, plus recent success. You are offered a baseball scolly between Duke and UNCW where are you going? No disrespect to UNCW at all, but that choice is easy. We live in a what have you done for me lately world.

Going pro trumps NCAA Tournament success.

So by this line of thinking Duke would be the best in NCAA the last few years in hoops, better than say Nova(2 titles). Draft picks are nice(helps recruiting for sure), but winning trumps draft picks IMO.

(06-12-2019 09:05 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:00 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 08:53 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  We have to make that next step, that's the goal, no? If you are a FA picking a team, for the same money, you going to go to the team that won the WS or the team that wins their division but loses in the first round every year? Duke has the allure of it being Duke, plus recent success. You are offered a baseball scolly between Duke and UNCW where are you going? No disrespect to UNCW at all, but that choice is easy. We live in a what have you done for me lately world.

Going pro trumps NCAA Tournament success.

So by this line of thinking Duke would be the best in NCAA the last few years in hoops, better than say Nova(2 titles). Draft picks are nice(helps recruiting for sure), but winning trumps draft picks IMO.

A Super Regional is like reaching the Sweet 16 in baseketball, not winning a title though. We've reached the final 32 in baseball I believe 5 or 6 times.

(06-12-2019 09:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 08:59 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  When isolating MLB draft picks only, here's the top NC Schools in number of draft picks since 2010, with number of 1st round picks in that span in perentheses:

1. UNC: 55 (7)
2. NC State: 45 (3)
3. UNCW: 39 (1)
4. ECU: 35 (1)
5. Wake Forest: 32 (2)
6. Duke: 29 (1)
7. Elon: 24 (1)

I wonder how many of those picks actually made the bigs. Can think of a few quickly for UNC/State, and Stroman from Duke

3 from UNCW since 2010. Evan Phillips, Seth Frankoff and Cody Stanley.

Stroman is the only drafted player from Duke to reach the bigs in that span, though of course he's had a lengthy career. Chris Hatcher is our best pro player in recent years.

(06-12-2019 09:16 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:05 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:00 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 08:53 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  We have to make that next step, that's the goal, no? If you are a FA picking a team, for the same money, you going to go to the team that won the WS or the team that wins their division but loses in the first round every year? Duke has the allure of it being Duke, plus recent success. You are offered a baseball scolly between Duke and UNCW where are you going? No disrespect to UNCW at all, but that choice is easy. We live in a what have you done for me lately world.

Going pro trumps NCAA Tournament success.

So by this line of thinking Duke would be the best in NCAA the last few years in hoops, better than say Nova(2 titles). Draft picks are nice(helps recruiting for sure), but winning trumps draft picks IMO.

A Super Regional is like reaching the Sweet 16 in baseketball, not winning a title though. We've reached the final 32 in baseball I believe 5 or 6 times.

Right, but you said draft picks trumps winning. So what you really meant is draft picks trumps winning to a point?

(06-12-2019 09:22 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Right, but you said draft picks trumps winning. So what you really meant is draft picks trumps winning to a point?

Correct, as does perennial success. Failing to reach a Super Regional should only be held against the program to a point.

Davidson has reached a Super Regional too, but only has 1 NCAA Tournament appearance all-time, meaning that was kind of a fluke until they prove otherwise.

(06-12-2019 09:24 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:22 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Right, but you said draft picks trumps winning. So what you really meant is draft picks trumps winning to a point?

Correct, as does perennial success. Failing to reach a Super Regional should only be held against the program to a point.

Davidson has reached a Super Regional too, but only has 1 NCAA Tournament appearance all-time, meaning that was kind of a fluke until they prove otherwise.

Legit arguments either way IMO. If Duke continues to have success the next 3-5 years and we don't make a super, it will be cut and dry IMO.