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(06-09-2019 05:11 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 04:47 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Ahem, easy on that Thursday night thing. We were on the living end of that :(

And got screwed on a bad call as I remember too!

Not really. Couldn’t get a first down in the second half. Schisms made a bad assed adjustment at half we had no answer for. I think you’re recalling an offsides on the game winning field goal. But... I always contend the offsides is what made him miss (it was the only kick he missed all season).

They won fair and square. Got out coached.
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RE: Jim Delany botched the 2010-2013 Big Ten Expansion
(06-09-2019 09:27 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 04:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 01:56 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 12:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 09:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  My main point is some conferences are better for some schools than others; the ACC is the BEST conference in the eyes of UNC, UVa, and Notre Dame.

I wouldn't necessarily include Notre Dame, as their clear preference is "no conference". Also, we don't know if Notre Dame actually preferred the ACC to say the B1G or Big 12 in an "all things even" sense, it may be the ACC was just willing to give them more than those conferences were. Remember, Notre Dame preferred the Big East over the ACC - until the ACC destroyed the Big East with the 2011 raids.

As for UVA and UNC, that's undoubtedly correct. The ACC is obviously their preferred home, and the ACC would have to deteriorate significantly for that to change.

Notre Dame has wanted to be an ACC member for at least 40 years. The ACC would not allow ND the special favor of a curtailed football schedule for decades. That was the rub. The Big East was just a place to park their other sports. Don't take my word for it, give Boo Corrigan a ring over at State and ask him what his daddy told him about ND. Sometimes it takes a long time for a couple to make enough adjustments to walk down the aisle.

ND does not play 3 ACC football games a year and is not eligible for the ACC title game. That's it - the only caveat. Just like Syracuse not fielding a baseball team.
Notre Dame talked to the Big 10 throughout the 90s. They signed a deal to join the Big 10 as a full member in 1999. The faculty approved it overwhelmingly. The president approved. But it got killed by the trustees who wanted to keep independence.

Really?

Notre Dame Gives Thumbs Down to Big Ten
From Associated Press
Notre Dame will stand alone in football, as it has for more than a century.

The university rejected an invitation to join the Big Ten on Friday, intent on preserving its unique national identity and fearing the move would hurt football recruiting.

University trustees followed the recommendation of President Edward Malloy and nine senior university officials and voted unanimously against the Big Ten's overture.

The storied football program, independent for 111 years, features a coast-to-coast schedule and impassioned alumni across the country.

"Notre Dame has a distinct identity that is the product of more than a century and a half of institutional independence," Malloy said.

Football Coach Bob Davie said the decision was bigger than football.

"It involved a reinforcement of the heritage and culture of the institution--not only looking back into the past, but also projecting where Notre Dame expects to be in the future," he said.

Malloy presented the Big Ten proposal in October to the 55-member board and said the issue had drawn the most interest of any during his term as president. The school's alumni association reported 99.5% of its members opposed changing Notre Dame's "brand name."

Although the move was opposed by students, alumni and the athletic department, it had some support in academic circles.

The Big Ten affiliation would have made the South Bend, Ind., school a member of the Committee on Intercollegiate Cooperation, a consortium of all 11 Big Ten schools and one-time conference member the University of Chicago.

In October, the school's Faculty Senate voted 25-4 in favor of joining the CIC, but made no mention of the Big Ten.

"It wasn't a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination," said Rev. William Beauchamp, the school's executive vice president.

By joining the Big Ten, Athletic Director Mike Wadsworth said the Irish would have received between $1 million and $4 million less in income in 2007--the first year they would have played a full Big Ten schedule.

But Wadsworth said that loss would have been "inconsequential" in a budget projected to be $500 million in 2007.

Wadsworth said the move would have hurt football recruiting.

"We talk so much internally about recruiting and the nature of our admissions requirements and being a smaller school," Wadsworth added. "One of the things we always had as an advantage is the selling of the national program, that and television exposure."

The Big Ten is expected to woo other schools--with Syracuse or Missouri reportedly the likely candidates--to give the conference 12 members.


The faculty vote was to join CIC, not the Big 10. People forget that.

They're inseparable. It would be like saying you are agreeing to be an accountant, not to join Ernst & Young when you accept an E&Y job offer. And the president was promoting it until influential trustees told him to drop it.
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(06-09-2019 09:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 09:27 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 04:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 01:56 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 12:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I wouldn't necessarily include Notre Dame, as their clear preference is "no conference". Also, we don't know if Notre Dame actually preferred the ACC to say the B1G or Big 12 in an "all things even" sense, it may be the ACC was just willing to give them more than those conferences were. Remember, Notre Dame preferred the Big East over the ACC - until the ACC destroyed the Big East with the 2011 raids.

As for UVA and UNC, that's undoubtedly correct. The ACC is obviously their preferred home, and the ACC would have to deteriorate significantly for that to change.

Notre Dame has wanted to be an ACC member for at least 40 years. The ACC would not allow ND the special favor of a curtailed football schedule for decades. That was the rub. The Big East was just a place to park their other sports. Don't take my word for it, give Boo Corrigan a ring over at State and ask him what his daddy told him about ND. Sometimes it takes a long time for a couple to make enough adjustments to walk down the aisle.

ND does not play 3 ACC football games a year and is not eligible for the ACC title game. That's it - the only caveat. Just like Syracuse not fielding a baseball team.
Notre Dame talked to the Big 10 throughout the 90s. They signed a deal to join the Big 10 as a full member in 1999. The faculty approved it overwhelmingly. The president approved. But it got killed by the trustees who wanted to keep independence.

Really?

Notre Dame Gives Thumbs Down to Big Ten
From Associated Press
Notre Dame will stand alone in football, as it has for more than a century.

The university rejected an invitation to join the Big Ten on Friday, intent on preserving its unique national identity and fearing the move would hurt football recruiting.

University trustees followed the recommendation of President Edward Malloy and nine senior university officials and voted unanimously against the Big Ten's overture.

The storied football program, independent for 111 years, features a coast-to-coast schedule and impassioned alumni across the country.

"Notre Dame has a distinct identity that is the product of more than a century and a half of institutional independence," Malloy said.

Football Coach Bob Davie said the decision was bigger than football.

"It involved a reinforcement of the heritage and culture of the institution--not only looking back into the past, but also projecting where Notre Dame expects to be in the future," he said.

Malloy presented the Big Ten proposal in October to the 55-member board and said the issue had drawn the most interest of any during his term as president. The school's alumni association reported 99.5% of its members opposed changing Notre Dame's "brand name."

Although the move was opposed by students, alumni and the athletic department, it had some support in academic circles.

The Big Ten affiliation would have made the South Bend, Ind., school a member of the Committee on Intercollegiate Cooperation, a consortium of all 11 Big Ten schools and one-time conference member the University of Chicago.

In October, the school's Faculty Senate voted 25-4 in favor of joining the CIC, but made no mention of the Big Ten.

"It wasn't a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination," said Rev. William Beauchamp, the school's executive vice president.

By joining the Big Ten, Athletic Director Mike Wadsworth said the Irish would have received between $1 million and $4 million less in income in 2007--the first year they would have played a full Big Ten schedule.

But Wadsworth said that loss would have been "inconsequential" in a budget projected to be $500 million in 2007.

Wadsworth said the move would have hurt football recruiting.

"We talk so much internally about recruiting and the nature of our admissions requirements and being a smaller school," Wadsworth added. "One of the things we always had as an advantage is the selling of the national program, that and television exposure."

The Big Ten is expected to woo other schools--with Syracuse or Missouri reportedly the likely candidates--to give the conference 12 members.


The faculty vote was to join CIC, not the Big 10. People forget that.

They're inseparable. It would be like saying you are agreeing to be an accountant, not to join Ernst & Young when you accept an E&Y job offer. And the president was promoting it until influential trustees told him to drop it.

U of Chicago and Johns Hopkins both say hello.
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Doesn’t the cic have one or two members now in the big ten? University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins?
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(06-09-2019 09:47 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Doesn’t the cic have one or two members now in the big ten? University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins?

Correct, and CIC is not what most think it is. It's really just a raw research sharing stash that prevents duplication and encourages multi-school awards. It's a good service, but most reputable institutions can obtain the same stuff by a direct partnership a CIC member like when Carolina and Michigan work on a grant, or Duke and NW work on something.
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(06-09-2019 09:47 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Doesn’t the cic have one or two members now in the big ten? University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins?

That may be. The Big Ten Academic Alliance has 14, the member schools.
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Reprinted with permission from the Fall 1967 issue of the EDUCATIONAL
RECORD, published by the American Council on Education, Washington,
D.C.
A Case Study on Interinstitutional Cooperation
Herman B. Wells
The establishment and workings of a highly successful consortium, the
Committee on Institutional Cooperation – made up of the Big Ten and the
University of Chicago – is described here by one of its founders, Herman B
Wells, Chancellor of the University of Indiana.
The day has long since passed when a college or university can consider itself a
fort of knowledge in a hostile frontierland of ignorance, jealously guarding unto
itself its hoard of facts and ideas. Academic isolation has long been impractical;
in today's world, it is impossible. At a time when yesterday's bright new fact
becomes today's doubt and tomorrow's myth, no single institution has the
resources in faculty or facilities to go it alone. A university must do more than
just stand guard over the nation's heritage, it must illuminate the present and
help shape the future. This demands cooperation – not a diversity of
weaknesses, but a union of strengths.
The need for cooperation is obvious today. The need was just as great,
although perhaps not so obvious, on December 3, 1956, when the presidents of
the Big Ten universities met at the University Club in Chicago and took the
first tentative steps toward formation of the Committee on Institutional
Cooperation (CIC), perhaps the world's greatest common market in education.
CIC History
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http://www.cic.uiuc.edu/resources/articl...sonCIC.htm 3/27/2002
The presidents of the Big Ten universities (Illinois, Indiana, Iowa,
Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue, and
Wisconsin) had been meeting twice annually for nearly 20 years to discuss their
mutual problems. Going back through the minutes, I find such topics occupying
our time as: the Midwest Universities Research Association; the Midwest
Library Center; future trends of faculty salaries; an exchange of information
regarding policies governing service of retired professors; the encroachment of
the state upon university management and the responsibilities of governing
boards; the implications of a proposed interstate compact concerning medical,
dental and veterinary education; educational television; preservation of
academic freedom policies and practices; accrediting practices of the North
Central Association; and policies regarding student fees.
But that day in Chicago, the presidents of the Big Ten moved beyond
discussion and took a bold step into the future. They agreed, in effect, to build
bridges of cooperation across state and institutional boundaries. Although in
retrospect the decision was right and proper, and probably long overdue, it
might not have been made for years except for a casual conversation some
months earlier between myself and Dr. James Perkins, then vice president of
the Carnegie Corporation of New York and now President of Cornell
University.
The opening volley
Dr. Perkins was interested in the semi-annual meetings of the Big Ten
presidents (called the Council of Ten), and particularly in what the presidents
talked about. As I recall it now, our conversation went something like this:
Perkins: "Why do you Big Ten Presidents only talk about football when
you get together?"
Wells: "We do talk about other things. In fact, we spend most of our
time discussing educational problems."
Perkins: "Well, the press only reports your decisions about athletics. It
is a pity for the meetings of presidents of such important institutions to
be identified in the public mind only with athletics."
Wells: "We have a budget and staff to prepare the background material for our
athletic decisions. To have effective discussions leading to decisions, we need
also a joint secretariat for educational matters."
Perkins: "How much would it cost?
Wells: "Oh, I don't know – as a good guess, $50,000 per year."
Perkins: "Go back to the Council and see if they'll do it, and I will
recommend the project to our trustees."
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On the basis of that suggestion, and with no guarantee that funds would
be forthcoming, the possibility of formal interinstitutional cooperation was first
broached at the Chicago meeting in December. Two possible subjects for
cooperative study were suggested: the changing nature of student migration,
and the philosophy of student fees.
That was the beginning. In their next meeting at Columbus, Ohio, where
the Big Ten presidents had gathered for the inauguration of Novice G. Fawcett
as president of the Ohio State University in April 1957, the Council of Ten
organized the Committee on Institutional Cooperation. Later, the University of
Chicago, a former member of the Big Ten, was taken into the group, On June
18, 1958, the Executive Committee of the Carnegie Corporation of New York
appropriated $40,000 for expenses during the academic year 1958-59, and the
CIC began a cautious exploration of the ways in which 11 major universities –
two private and nine state-supported – might pool their resources for the
common good. On June 30, 1959, the Carnegie Corporation allocated a further
$254,000 to the CIC, and a dream took solid shape.
The wisdom of caution
The first steps, naturally enough, were hesitant and tentative. Each of the 11
universities was a distinguished and apparently self-sufficient institution, proud
of its past and confident of its future. Ironically, it was this go-slow approach
which directly led to the strongest possible ties between the 11 member
institutions of the CIC. There was never a thought of imposing a
supergovernment on these distinguished universities to force them into
cooperation, never a suggestion that the individuality of any member be
sacrificed.
Instead, each university named one top academic representative to the
committee, which meets three times a year. Decisions of the majority were
deemed not to bind the entire membership; a member institution of CIC may
participate in any given program or not, according to its own needs and
interests. Committee members are first and foremost the representatives of their
own institutions, and the voluntary cooperation within the CIC in no way
impinges on or complicates this basic responsibility.
This voluntary cooperation, within the framework of flexible
agreements, has been the strength of the CIC. The CIC certainly was not the
first compact between publicly assisted universities, but it was the first of its
kind. Earlier arrangements for academic cooperation among public institutions
of higher learning were written into law through the signing of interstate
compacts which were complex to devise, cumbersome to administer, and
transferred far too much academic control from the campus to the statehouse.
The efforts today to create a "nationwide" policy in education through
an interstate compact is cut from the same cloth. The interstate compact may
indeed bring about a form of cooperation that will hurdle state and institutional
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borders, but there is great danger that the cooperation will be coercive,
reluctant and consequently ineffective.
The Compact for Education appears to ignore the essential differences
between elementary and secondary education, on the one hand, and higher
education, on the other. A primary task of the school is to pass on to its pupils a
generally well defined body of knowledge; a primary task of the university is to
lead its students to and beyond the frontiers of the "known" and the "proven."
The state tends to set the curriculum for the schools; the university's curriculum
is determined by the institution's own community of scholars. The public
schools actively campaign for public approval, even public guidance, of what
they teach; the history of higher education, on the other band, records many
long and sometimes bitter struggles for freedom from political influence and
domination of its classrooms and laboratories.
Out of this long struggle for freedom to teach and discover, working
relationships have evolved between state governments and public institutions of
higher learning. They have, on the whole, been mutually rewarding. Any
pressure such as that inherent in the Compact for Education – to force the great
public universities of this nation into a common mold poses a distinct threat to
those relationships, and thus to higher education.
The working philosophy of the CIC has always been to help each
member institution develop in depth and to exploit its own areas of strength,
and then to make the combined strength available to all. In the 11 universities
thus "merged," there is truly impressive strength – more than 25,000 faculty
members, including some of the world's foremost scholars, a combined library
of 20 million volumes, and a physical plant valued at more than $1.6 billion.
The traveling scholar
The Traveling Scholar Program, initiated by the CIC presidents themselves in
1963, is a classic example of how the universities pool their resources for the
common good and strengthen themselves in the process.
The program enables a graduate student at any of the 11 member institutions to
study for a semester (or two quarters) at any other member university without
the payment of special fees and without the necessity of meeting state
residential requirements. He registers at his home university, pays his fees
there, and has his grades recorded there – all with a minimum of red tape.
Where he goes depends on his particular needs: a specialized course offering, a
professor who is a world authority in his field, a unique library collection, or a
one-of-a-kind research facility.
A traveling scholar may study physics with Iowa's James A. Van Allen,
history with Wisconsin's Merle Curti, or economics with Minnesota's Walter
Heller. He may use such facilities as: the library at Illinois, third largest in the
nation; Purdue's Jet Propulsion Center, the nation's leading producer of
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engineers and scientists in the propulsion field; Chemical Abstracts it
Ohio State, the world's largest compiler of abstracts of published chemical
discoveries; the internationally recognized Graduate School of Business at
Indiana University, or Wisconsin's biotron, first in the world designed to study
living organisms in a full range of controlled environmental conditions,
including those in outer space.
When the program got under way in the 1963-64 academic year, 41
traveling scholars moved from their own to neighboring campuses to study in
20 different fields. Next year, there were 108 graduate students in 41 fields.
Last year, 1965-66, the number of traveling scholars rose to 117, and the
number of fields to 45. Thus far, we have obviously only scratched the surface
of this program's potential; particularly in view of the fact that the 11 member
institutions of the CIC enroll 48,000 graduate students and confer 30 percent of
all doctorates in the United States each year. Although the number of traveling
scholars will continue to grow, there has never been any intention to sponsor a
mass migration between campuses. The program is, and will continue to be,
highly selective: just the fact that a graduate student is working for a PhD does
not make him automatically eligible. And, in keeping with the voluntary nature
of all CIC programs, each university retains full authority to accept or reject
any applicant, based on the institution's responsibilities to its own students, and
the applicant's competence.
Institutional advantages
The advantage to the graduate student is obvious, while the advantage to the
institutions is just as real but not so apparent. We can fully expect, for instance,
that the traveling scholar program will encourage the 11 CIC institutions to
develop special areas of strength, and become known as centers for specialized
graduate study. In addition to avoiding costly duplication of courses and
facilities – no small matter in these days of ever rising costs – such a
development would underscore the basic idea of the CIC. No single institution,
working alone, can hope to provide programs of universal excellence in all
fields; 11 great institutions working together and pooling their resources can
come very near to this ideal. The traveling scholars, for instance, have left their
home campuses to study in such little known fields as legal anthropology,
forest entomology, geophysical sciences, medical genetics, dental
epidemiology, Oriental languages and literature, and mathematical biology.
Although the 11 member universities of the CIC are located in seven
midwestern states, no institution is more than an hour or two away from any
other by air or even automobile travel. One student even found it possible to
commute twice weekly by train from his home campus at the University of
Iowa to Northwestern University outside Chicago. A graduate student in
political science, he was able to study such subjects as urbanization and urban
sociology at the Northwestern Center for Metropolitan Studies, courses and
facilities not available to him at Iowa. He caught the train from Iowa City every
Tuesday and Thursday morning, and returned that night. While such a schedule
is rare, and not to be recommended generally, it does illustrate the program's
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flexibility.
Since the traveling scholar program got under way just a few short years
ago, it has attracted considerable attention on both the east and west coasts. We
have been pleased to note that both the Ivy League and the University of
California system are putting just such an exchange program into effect. We
also have had requests for information from interested ministries in South
Africa, England, and Canada. In the interest of historical accuracy, it should be
pointed out that the idea of the traveling scholar did not originate with the CIC,
as the medieval European universities had a form of it centuries ago.
The traveling scholar program is just one of more than 40 cooperative
ventures now under way in the CIC. After the original Carnegie grant was
received, the first order of business was comparative studies of medical
education and pharmacy schools, necessary and worthwhile, of course, but
hardly innovative. Before long, however, the CIC began to evolve into the
action group it was intended to be.
I have always been a firm believer that one should not make small plans
for an institution or group of institutions, because the small plans are very
difficult to achieve. But we soon found in CIC that to "think big," it was
sometimes necessary to "think small" first. Such, at least, was the genesis of
our very effective programs of seed grants.
Prophetic seed grants
The seed grants began when a group of geography professors requested enough
money to hold a joint meeting in which they could discuss cooperative
programs and curriculum improvements on an inter-university basis. The CIC
gave the group $1,000 – just enough to cover the costs of travel, meals, hotel
bills, and incidental and related expenses. Out of that meeting grew several
programs: a highly successful annual faculty field seminar, a geography field
camp jointly sponsored by several CIC member universities (better than any
one of them could have provided on its own), and plans for joint research
projects too big for a single institution as well as the establishment of centers of
excellence in various fields of geography.
The success of that first seed grant points up an ironic fact in higher
education. It's much easier sometimes to get millions of dollars from a
philanthropic foundation or from the government for a large project than to get
the comparatively few dollars needed for scholars in various fields to get
together and exchange ideas.
That original $1,000 seed grant to a group of imaginative geography
professors was only the beginning. It did more than just get some joint ventures
in geography off the ground: It pointed the way for specialists in other fields.
The seed grants which followed have been the triggering device for virtually all
of the other 40 CIC programs now in operation. With some of the seed grants,
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there has been a phenomenal return on the money invested. An initial
seed grant of $2,000, followed by two more of $1,000 each, financed the
development of the most integrated program of graduate study in
biometeorology in the world. The program received an initial grant of $238,016
from the US Public Health Service in 1963, and another grant of $794,724 in
September 1966 – a return of $258 for every $1 invested in the seed grants.
Biometeorology
The joint program in biometeorology developed by the CIC institutions
deserves some added mention here because it carries the traveling scholar idea
a step or two further. Biometeorology deals with the effects of weather on man,
animals and plants, and many branches of the government are desperately in
need of people who are trained in the life sciences and also have knowledge of
meteorology. No single university in the country could afford the specialized
environmental laboratories and field facilities required, nor would it be justified
in spending the millions and millions of dollars necessary in one specialized
field, even if the money were available. But within the Big Ten institutions and
the University of Chicago, those facilities are available, if scattered.
Today, a graduate student from a CIC member university can travel to
Ohio State to study the psychiatric effects of weather, Purdue to study farm
animals at the Center for Refrigeration and Climatic Control, to the University
of Michigan to study air pollution and allergies, or to Wisconsin's fantastic,
multimillion dollar biotron, with its 60 laboratory rooms where conditions of
temperature, humidity, light, wind velocity, sound, and radiation are rigidly
controlled.
One day soon, American astronauts will be walking on the face of the
moon, and some measure of their success will be due to the work which has
been going on in biometeorology in the CIC institutions.
Unlike other traveling scholars, those in biometeorology plan their
programs for study at several CIC universities, and the federal grant provides
for tuition, fees, dependents, travel allowances, and support for research
projects. Stipends of $2,500 to $3,000 are available. (The CIC hopes to be able
soon to offer other traveling scholars some travel and dependency allowances,
particularly those in the humanities for which fellowship grants from outside
sources are not readily available.)
Far Eastern Language Institute
The Far Eastern Language Institute is another CIC example of 11 universities
accomplishing together what no single one of them could hope to do alone. The
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institutes, held on a different campus each summer, provide intensive training
at all levels in the Japanese and Chinese languages, ranging from first year
introductory courses to advanced seminars in contrastive studies of the two
languages. A student attending two seminars, and carrying a normal academic
load in between, can cover in 15 months what ordinarily would take four years.
Equally important, the faculty members from the CIC universities who staff the
institutes meet in their own seminars to devise new instructional techniques and
procedures, thus strengthening the programs in Japanese and Chinese at their
own institutions. Like the traveling scholar program, the languages institutes
are highly selective, accepting only one of every four or five applicants. Even
so, enrollments have grown each year, from 145 in 1963, to 184 in 1964, 197 in
1965, and 226 in 1966. A unique feature of the program is that the student pays
whatever tuition fee is lower The Ford Foundation has supported this program
with grants totaling $486,000.
There are approximately 3,000 languages spoken in the world today,
and the CIC liberal arts deans, working closely with their foreign language
faculties, have identified 26 of these languages as most critical to the nation's
needs. This poses a problem that pleads for a cooperative, interinstitutional,
CIC-type solution. There now exists a well-advanced plan whereby each of the
11 universities will continue to offer its normal wide range of traditional
foreign languages, but in addition will concentrate on developing strength and
depth in one or more of the critical areas. Students will be able to cross state
and institutional lines as needed. It is clear that although no one university can
possibly develop strength in 26 foreign languages, 11 universities can do it with
ease.
As the programs of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation have
grown in number and effectiveness, their influence and value have spread far
beyond the campuses of the 11 universities themselves and the boundaries of
the seven states in which they are located. The Far Eastern Language Institutes,
for instance, draw students and faculty from across the nation and from foreign
lands. Inspired by the new curriculum studies in mathematics, biology,
chemistry and physics, the Social Science Education Consortium is developing
new materials and new teaching techniques for high school social studies. The
CIC has even given a seed grant to the Association of Midwestern College
Biology Teachers so that they may seek methods through which CIC
institutions can help the smaller colleges improve their biology curricula.
Architects in CIC institutions are addressing themselves to the vast problems of
urban growth and sprawl, and their findings should find application in every
metropolitan area of the nation
Focusing on the Midwest
In the late summer of 1966, the CIC embarked on a project which may well
prove to be its most ambitious and important yet – a joint and concentrated
attack on the economic problems of the Midwest. Specialists in economics,
engineering, business administration, industrial management, physical sciences,
sociology, and political science were drawn from the faculties of the 11
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member institutions. They work closely with governmental, business and
industrial leaders of the area with one central goal: to identify the problems and
find the solutions.
The Midwest could hardly be called a depressed area. Yet problems do
exist. One, for instance, is the "brain drain” occasioned by the flow of talented,
creative people from the area to the glamour industries of the two coasts. There
is no logical reason why the Midwest should lag behind other regions of the
country in any area of scientific and technological advance, particularly in
military and space activities.
The problems to be tackled by the Council on Economic Growth,
Technology and Public Policy are by no means regional in scope; and the
solutions they find will have national implications. Consider, if you will, this
excerpt from the Council's statement of objectives:
The American family, considered as a social and economic unit,
appears to be both more mobile and shorter-lived than in previous
generations. Grandparents no longer live with their sons' or daughters'
families as commonly as in the past; children leave at an earlier age;
and available statistics on American mobility reveal a traditionally
restless people less than ever inclined to stay where they are. Among
the implications of these observations is that the many industries
providing goods and services to the American family should begin to
plan now to accommodate a changing family pattem. What projections
could be made, for instance, for the most suitable type of housing for
such a family? What appliances will such housing have, to contain?
What appliances should be easily transportable? And, assuming that
some of these markets of the future could be charted with a fair degree
of certainty, what technological developments are necessary to satisfy
future demands? Already manufacturers in the Midwest are beginning
to turn to universities with such problems.
Can there be serious doubt that any problem, no matter how great, can
escape the combined attack of the finest intellects which can be
mustered from 11 distinguished institutions of higher learning? We
believe it both fight and necessary that the CIC con.cern itself with the
economic problems of the Midwest. It is, and always has been, the
tra.ditional role of the university to bring its vast resources to bear on all
the problems of those who support it through taxes and gifts.
International implications
Just about a year before the formation of the Council on Economic Growth,
Technology, and Public Policy, the CIC became truly international in scope.
The US State Department's Agency for International Development (AID)
awarded the CIC a contract of $1,183,000 to undertake a comprehensive
analysis of AID-assisted agricultural education and research programs being
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carried out abroad by US universities. In the past 15 years, some 35 universities
have had such programs in more than 30 less developed nations, calling for the
expenditure of more than $85 million in American foreign aid funds. Among
the questions the Council considers are: Are the programs worthwhile? Has the
money been well spent? What new programs are needed, and how can existing
programs be improved? The answers to these and other issues will have a direct
bearing an US government operations abroad.
Other projects now under way through the auspices of the CIC include
cooperative programs in comparative literature, art history, music, speech,
environmental health, water pollution, nursing, veterinary medicine, library
automation, honors courses, physical education, computer-based instructional
systems, studies of course-content improvement in geology, economics and to
other fields, and even a research project in oceanography. (We don't have our
own ocean, but we do have the Great Lakes.)
In the near future, there probably will be cooperative ventures in the
education of doctors and dentists (there are ten medical schools and eight dental
schools in the eleven CIC institutions). One such program might deal with the
recurring and costly problem of a medical student who has failed or missed one
required course. If there is one such student in each medical school each year,
why shouldn't all ten of them make up their work at one institution in the same
summer session?
The possibilities for cooperation are endless and sometimes the
agreements reached take a strange turn. In December 1963, for instance, the
CIC declared a "closed season" on faculty recruitment at member institutions,
to extend from each May 1 through September 1. Faculty recruitment has
always been rigorous in the Big Ten universities, and each year the search for
good college teachers becomes more intense, much more so than the search for
potential all-American athletes. Under the 1963 agreement, the faculty
recruiting at member institutions is as fierce as ever right up to the May 1
deadline. After that, an offer of an appointment at the level of assistant
professor or above, to take effect in the next academic year, cannot be made
without the prior agreement of the affected university.
Interinstitutional cooperation took yet another turn in 1963, when the
Department of Health, Education, and Welfare began seeking a Midwest site
for a water pollution laboratory. Several CIC institutions bid for the center, thus
complicating the task of the federal agency. Following a CIC-sponsored
conference, the bidding universities agreed to pledge their full support to any
institution receiving the laboratory, and relayed this pledge to the government.
Subsequently, the University of Michigan was selected as the site, and
reprcsentatives of all CIC institutions are now working on plans for further
cooperation in the use of its facilities when constructed.
A slightly blemished record
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The story of the CIC is not an unblemished record of success. One time, for
instance, the representatives of the physics departments got together in a
meeting at Ohio State University. They couldn't find anything to cooperate on,
so they went home. Physics is a glamour science today, with considerable
outside money available for research projects. The CIC representatives meeting
in Columbus were so busily engaged in their own projects, so committed to
their own work, that they saw no urgency or necessity for cooperative ventures.
Some day, it seems virtually certain that they will.
Another idea that didn't work out at the time – but may someday –
concerned linking the 11 campuses into a gigantic computer network. Because
each of the 11 universities has its own computer system, why not link them all
together for the instant retrieval of research data stored on any campus? This, it
seems, was an idea ahead of its time. Each of the universities is still struggling
to find the best way to utilize its own computer, and they aren’t yet ready for
such a massive program of coordination.
There have been other times when faculty representatives met and
talked with no apparent results. This is to be expected. Sometimes, as with the
computer network, the time just isn't ripe. Sometimes, perhaps, it is because
several of the universities have no significant interest in a particular field.
Despite an occasional setback, however, the spirit of interinstitutional
cooperation is permeating every academic nook and cranny of the Big Ten
universities and the University of Chicago. This would appear to be fertile
ground for bureaucracy, for empire building on a scale never imagined outside
Washington, DC.
Rejecting bureaucracy
The CIC, fortunately, isn't built that way. It maintains a small, permanent office
at Purdue University, with a professional staff of only two. This office is the
nerve center of the operation. It establishes liaison, and it serves as a factfinding agency and clearinghouse. But, once the project is under way, once a
working organization has been established, the CIC withdraws. It ends its
relationship with the project, unless called upon for further help. This is in
complete harmony with its basic philosophy. The staff office is supported
entirely by the 11 universities, and the foundation funds are used only for the
seed grants which make the cooperative ventures possible.
There are no ultimate goals for the CIC, no target dates for leaning back
on the oars and saying, “There, we did it.” The pattern of interinstitutional
cooperation has become so fixed, so much a way of academic life within our
community of universities, that a return to the old ways is unthinkable. Even,
so, perhaps the greatest accomplishment of the CIC is not what it has done
within its own ranks, but the changes it has helped to bring to higher education
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throughout the land. A 1965-66 survey shows there are 1,017
cooperative unions of colleges and universities, and 245 others in the advanced
planning stages. Most of these cooperative federations have come into being
because the CIC showed the way and proved cooperation was not only
desirable but possible. We know we have helped change the face of American
higher education for the better and it's a very good feelin
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(06-09-2019 09:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  My main point is some conferences are better for some schools than others; the ACC is the BEST conference in the eyes of UNC, UVa, and Notre Dame.

I wouldn't necessarily include Notre Dame, as their clear preference is "no conference". Also, we don't know if Notre Dame actually preferred the ACC to say the B1G or Big 12 in an "all things even" sense, it may be the ACC was just willing to give them more than those conferences were. Remember, Notre Dame preferred the Big East over the ACC - until the ACC destroyed the Big East with the 2011 raids.

As for UVA and UNC, that's undoubtedly correct. The ACC is obviously their preferred home, and the ACC would have to deteriorate significantly for that to change.


ND wanted its other sports in the ACC.

It is a good fit with six fellow private schools.

It provides a good home for basketball, baseball and Olympic sports.

It gives exposure along the Atlantic seaboard from Boston to Miami.

Of course, ND joined the Big East and the ACC because neither required football to join, but make no mistake, ND prefers the ACC over the Big Ten (even if both allowed partial membership).

ND is very happy with the ACC deal and with ACC membership.
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(06-09-2019 01:56 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 12:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 09:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  My main point is some conferences are better for some schools than others; the ACC is the BEST conference in the eyes of UNC, UVa, and Notre Dame.

I wouldn't necessarily include Notre Dame, as their clear preference is "no conference". Also, we don't know if Notre Dame actually preferred the ACC to say the B1G or Big 12 in an "all things even" sense, it may be the ACC was just willing to give them more than those conferences were. Remember, Notre Dame preferred the Big East over the ACC - until the ACC destroyed the Big East with the 2011 raids.

As for UVA and UNC, that's undoubtedly correct. The ACC is obviously their preferred home, and the ACC would have to deteriorate significantly for that to change.

Notre Dame has wanted to be an ACC member for at least 40 years. The ACC would not allow ND the special favor of a curtailed football schedule for decades. That was the rub. The Big East was just a place to park their other sports. Don't take my word for it, give Boo Corrigan a ring over at State and ask him what his daddy told him about ND. Sometimes it takes a long time for a couple to make enough adjustments to walk down the aisle.

ND does not play 3 ACC football games a year and is not eligible for the ACC title game. That's it - the only caveat. Just like Syracuse not fielding a baseball team.
Notre Dame talked to the Big 10 throughout the 90s. They signed a deal to join the Big 10 as a full member in 1999. The faculty approved it overwhelmingly. The president approved. But it got killed by the trustees who wanted to keep independence.

You have your facts all wrong.

ND never, ever signed a deal with the Big Ten to become a full member.

The idea was approved by the faculty Senate (whose vote was meaningless) and was rejected by the Board of Trustees. No deal.

The alumni and especially the big donors were all dead against Big Ten membership

The Board of Trustees met in London and voted down the idea of Big Ten membership.

Father Monk Malloy, then president of ND issued this statement (which is still applicable today):

''Just as the Universities of Michigan or Wisconsin or Illinois have core identities as the flagship institutions of their states, so Notre Dame has a core identity, and at that core are these characteristics: Catholic, private, independent. As a Catholic university with a national constituency, we believe independence continues to be our best way forward.''

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/06/sport...g-ten.html
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RECORD, published by the American Council on Education, Washington,
D.C.
A Case Study on Interinstitutional Cooperation
Herman B. Wells
The establishment and workings of a highly successful consortium, the
Committee on Institutional Cooperation – made up of the Big Ten and the
University of Chicago – is described here by one of its founders, Herman B
Wells, Chancellor of the University of Indiana.
The day has long since passed when a college or university can consider itself a
fort of knowledge in a hostile frontierland of ignorance, jealously guarding unto
itself its hoard of facts and ideas. Academic isolation has long been impractical;
in today's world, it is impossible. At a time when yesterday's bright new fact
becomes today's doubt and tomorrow's myth, no single institution has the
resources in faculty or facilities to go it alone. A university must do more than
just stand guard over the nation's heritage, it must illuminate the present and
help shape the future. This demands cooperation – not a diversity of
weaknesses, but a union of strengths.
The need for cooperation is obvious today. The need was just as great,
although perhaps not so obvious, on December 3, 1956, when the presidents of
the Big Ten universities met at the University Club in Chicago and took the
first tentative steps toward formation of the Committee on Institutional
Cooperation (CIC), perhaps the world's greatest common market in education.
CIC History
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The presidents of the Big Ten universities (Illinois, Indiana, Iowa,
Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue, and
Wisconsin) had been meeting twice annually for nearly 20 years to discuss their
mutual problems. Going back through the minutes, I find such topics occupying
our time as: the Midwest Universities Research Association; the Midwest
Library Center; future trends of faculty salaries; an exchange of information
regarding policies governing service of retired professors; the encroachment of
the state upon university management and the responsibilities of governing
boards; the implications of a proposed interstate compact concerning medical,
dental and veterinary education; educational television; preservation of
academic freedom policies and practices; accrediting practices of the North
Central Association; and policies regarding student fees.
But that day in Chicago, the presidents of the Big Ten moved beyond
discussion and took a bold step into the future. They agreed, in effect, to build
bridges of cooperation across state and institutional boundaries. Although in
retrospect the decision was right and proper, and probably long overdue, it
might not have been made for years except for a casual conversation some
months earlier between myself and Dr. James Perkins, then vice president of
the Carnegie Corporation of New York and now President of Cornell
University.
The opening volley
Dr. Perkins was interested in the semi-annual meetings of the Big Ten
presidents (called the Council of Ten), and particularly in what the presidents
talked about. As I recall it now, our conversation went something like this:
Perkins: "Why do you Big Ten Presidents only talk about football when
you get together?"
Wells: "We do talk about other things. In fact, we spend most of our
time discussing educational problems."
Perkins: "Well, the press only reports your decisions about athletics. It
is a pity for the meetings of presidents of such important institutions to
be identified in the public mind only with athletics."
Wells: "We have a budget and staff to prepare the background material for our
athletic decisions. To have effective discussions leading to decisions, we need
also a joint secretariat for educational matters."
Perkins: "How much would it cost?
Wells: "Oh, I don't know – as a good guess, $50,000 per year."
Perkins: "Go back to the Council and see if they'll do it, and I will
recommend the project to our trustees."
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On the basis of that suggestion, and with no guarantee that funds would
be forthcoming, the possibility of formal interinstitutional cooperation was first
broached at the Chicago meeting in December. Two possible subjects for
cooperative study were suggested: the changing nature of student migration,
and the philosophy of student fees.
That was the beginning. In their next meeting at Columbus, Ohio, where
the Big Ten presidents had gathered for the inauguration of Novice G. Fawcett
as president of the Ohio State University in April 1957, the Council of Ten
organized the Committee on Institutional Cooperation. Later, the University of
Chicago, a former member of the Big Ten, was taken into the group, On June
18, 1958, the Executive Committee of the Carnegie Corporation of New York
appropriated $40,000 for expenses during the academic year 1958-59, and the
CIC began a cautious exploration of the ways in which 11 major universities –
two private and nine state-supported – might pool their resources for the
common good. On June 30, 1959, the Carnegie Corporation allocated a further
$254,000 to the CIC, and a dream took solid shape.
The wisdom of caution
The first steps, naturally enough, were hesitant and tentative. Each of the 11
universities was a distinguished and apparently self-sufficient institution, proud
of its past and confident of its future. Ironically, it was this go-slow approach
which directly led to the strongest possible ties between the 11 member
institutions of the CIC. There was never a thought of imposing a
supergovernment on these distinguished universities to force them into
cooperation, never a suggestion that the individuality of any member be
sacrificed.
Instead, each university named one top academic representative to the
committee, which meets three times a year. Decisions of the majority were
deemed not to bind the entire membership; a member institution of CIC may
participate in any given program or not, according to its own needs and
interests. Committee members are first and foremost the representatives of their
own institutions, and the voluntary cooperation within the CIC in no way
impinges on or complicates this basic responsibility.
This voluntary cooperation, within the framework of flexible
agreements, has been the strength of the CIC. The CIC certainly was not the
first compact between publicly assisted universities, but it was the first of its
kind. Earlier arrangements for academic cooperation among public institutions
of higher learning were written into law through the signing of interstate
compacts which were complex to devise, cumbersome to administer, and
transferred far too much academic control from the campus to the statehouse.
The efforts today to create a "nationwide" policy in education through
an interstate compact is cut from the same cloth. The interstate compact may
indeed bring about a form of cooperation that will hurdle state and institutional
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borders, but there is great danger that the cooperation will be coercive,
reluctant and consequently ineffective.
The Compact for Education appears to ignore the essential differences
between elementary and secondary education, on the one hand, and higher
education, on the other. A primary task of the school is to pass on to its pupils a
generally well defined body of knowledge; a primary task of the university is to
lead its students to and beyond the frontiers of the "known" and the "proven."
The state tends to set the curriculum for the schools; the university's curriculum
is determined by the institution's own community of scholars. The public
schools actively campaign for public approval, even public guidance, of what
they teach; the history of higher education, on the other band, records many
long and sometimes bitter struggles for freedom from political influence and
domination of its classrooms and laboratories.
Out of this long struggle for freedom to teach and discover, working
relationships have evolved between state governments and public institutions of
higher learning. They have, on the whole, been mutually rewarding. Any
pressure such as that inherent in the Compact for Education – to force the great
public universities of this nation into a common mold poses a distinct threat to
those relationships, and thus to higher education.
The working philosophy of the CIC has always been to help each
member institution develop in depth and to exploit its own areas of strength,
and then to make the combined strength available to all. In the 11 universities
thus "merged," there is truly impressive strength – more than 25,000 faculty
members, including some of the world's foremost scholars, a combined library
of 20 million volumes, and a physical plant valued at more than $1.6 billion.
The traveling scholar
The Traveling Scholar Program, initiated by the CIC presidents themselves in
1963, is a classic example of how the universities pool their resources for the
common good and strengthen themselves in the process.
The program enables a graduate student at any of the 11 member institutions to
study for a semester (or two quarters) at any other member university without
the payment of special fees and without the necessity of meeting state
residential requirements. He registers at his home university, pays his fees
there, and has his grades recorded there – all with a minimum of red tape.
Where he goes depends on his particular needs: a specialized course offering, a
professor who is a world authority in his field, a unique library collection, or a
one-of-a-kind research facility.
A traveling scholar may study physics with Iowa's James A. Van Allen,
history with Wisconsin's Merle Curti, or economics with Minnesota's Walter
Heller. He may use such facilities as: the library at Illinois, third largest in the
nation; Purdue's Jet Propulsion Center, the nation's leading producer of
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engineers and scientists in the propulsion field; Chemical Abstracts it
Ohio State, the world's largest compiler of abstracts of published chemical
discoveries; the internationally recognized Graduate School of Business at
Indiana University, or Wisconsin's biotron, first in the world designed to study
living organisms in a full range of controlled environmental conditions,
including those in outer space.
When the program got under way in the 1963-64 academic year, 41
traveling scholars moved from their own to neighboring campuses to study in
20 different fields. Next year, there were 108 graduate students in 41 fields.
Last year, 1965-66, the number of traveling scholars rose to 117, and the
number of fields to 45. Thus far, we have obviously only scratched the surface
of this program's potential; particularly in view of the fact that the 11 member
institutions of the CIC enroll 48,000 graduate students and confer 30 percent of
all doctorates in the United States each year. Although the number of traveling
scholars will continue to grow, there has never been any intention to sponsor a
mass migration between campuses. The program is, and will continue to be,
highly selective: just the fact that a graduate student is working for a PhD does
not make him automatically eligible. And, in keeping with the voluntary nature
of all CIC programs, each university retains full authority to accept or reject
any applicant, based on the institution's responsibilities to its own students, and
the applicant's competence.
Institutional advantages
The advantage to the graduate student is obvious, while the advantage to the
institutions is just as real but not so apparent. We can fully expect, for instance,
that the traveling scholar program will encourage the 11 CIC institutions to
develop special areas of strength, and become known as centers for specialized
graduate study. In addition to avoiding costly duplication of courses and
facilities – no small matter in these days of ever rising costs – such a
development would underscore the basic idea of the CIC. No single institution,
working alone, can hope to provide programs of universal excellence in all
fields; 11 great institutions working together and pooling their resources can
come very near to this ideal. The traveling scholars, for instance, have left their
home campuses to study in such little known fields as legal anthropology,
forest entomology, geophysical sciences, medical genetics, dental
epidemiology, Oriental languages and literature, and mathematical biology.
Although the 11 member universities of the CIC are located in seven
midwestern states, no institution is more than an hour or two away from any
other by air or even automobile travel. One student even found it possible to
commute twice weekly by train from his home campus at the University of
Iowa to Northwestern University outside Chicago. A graduate student in
political science, he was able to study such subjects as urbanization and urban
sociology at the Northwestern Center for Metropolitan Studies, courses and
facilities not available to him at Iowa. He caught the train from Iowa City every
Tuesday and Thursday morning, and returned that night. While such a schedule
is rare, and not to be recommended generally, it does illustrate the program's
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flexibility.
Since the traveling scholar program got under way just a few short years
ago, it has attracted considerable attention on both the east and west coasts. We
have been pleased to note that both the Ivy League and the University of
California system are putting just such an exchange program into effect. We
also have had requests for information from interested ministries in South
Africa, England, and Canada. In the interest of historical accuracy, it should be
pointed out that the idea of the traveling scholar did not originate with the CIC,
as the medieval European universities had a form of it centuries ago.
The traveling scholar program is just one of more than 40 cooperative
ventures now under way in the CIC. After the original Carnegie grant was
received, the first order of business was comparative studies of medical
education and pharmacy schools, necessary and worthwhile, of course, but
hardly innovative. Before long, however, the CIC began to evolve into the
action group it was intended to be.
I have always been a firm believer that one should not make small plans
for an institution or group of institutions, because the small plans are very
difficult to achieve. But we soon found in CIC that to "think big," it was
sometimes necessary to "think small" first. Such, at least, was the genesis of
our very effective programs of seed grants.
Prophetic seed grants
The seed grants began when a group of geography professors requested enough
money to hold a joint meeting in which they could discuss cooperative
programs and curriculum improvements on an inter-university basis. The CIC
gave the group $1,000 – just enough to cover the costs of travel, meals, hotel
bills, and incidental and related expenses. Out of that meeting grew several
programs: a highly successful annual faculty field seminar, a geography field
camp jointly sponsored by several CIC member universities (better than any
one of them could have provided on its own), and plans for joint research
projects too big for a single institution as well as the establishment of centers of
excellence in various fields of geography.
The success of that first seed grant points up an ironic fact in higher
education. It's much easier sometimes to get millions of dollars from a
philanthropic foundation or from the government for a large project than to get
the comparatively few dollars needed for scholars in various fields to get
together and exchange ideas.
That original $1,000 seed grant to a group of imaginative geography
professors was only the beginning. It did more than just get some joint ventures
in geography off the ground: It pointed the way for specialists in other fields.
The seed grants which followed have been the triggering device for virtually all
of the other 40 CIC programs now in operation. With some of the seed grants,
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there has been a phenomenal return on the money invested. An initial
seed grant of $2,000, followed by two more of $1,000 each, financed the
development of the most integrated program of graduate study in
biometeorology in the world. The program received an initial grant of $238,016
from the US Public Health Service in 1963, and another grant of $794,724 in
September 1966 – a return of $258 for every $1 invested in the seed grants.
Biometeorology
The joint program in biometeorology developed by the CIC institutions
deserves some added mention here because it carries the traveling scholar idea
a step or two further. Biometeorology deals with the effects of weather on man,
animals and plants, and many branches of the government are desperately in
need of people who are trained in the life sciences and also have knowledge of
meteorology. No single university in the country could afford the specialized
environmental laboratories and field facilities required, nor would it be justified
in spending the millions and millions of dollars necessary in one specialized
field, even if the money were available. But within the Big Ten institutions and
the University of Chicago, those facilities are available, if scattered.
Today, a graduate student from a CIC member university can travel to
Ohio State to study the psychiatric effects of weather, Purdue to study farm
animals at the Center for Refrigeration and Climatic Control, to the University
of Michigan to study air pollution and allergies, or to Wisconsin's fantastic,
multimillion dollar biotron, with its 60 laboratory rooms where conditions of
temperature, humidity, light, wind velocity, sound, and radiation are rigidly
controlled.
One day soon, American astronauts will be walking on the face of the
moon, and some measure of their success will be due to the work which has
been going on in biometeorology in the CIC institutions.
Unlike other traveling scholars, those in biometeorology plan their
programs for study at several CIC universities, and the federal grant provides
for tuition, fees, dependents, travel allowances, and support for research
projects. Stipends of $2,500 to $3,000 are available. (The CIC hopes to be able
soon to offer other traveling scholars some travel and dependency allowances,
particularly those in the humanities for which fellowship grants from outside
sources are not readily available.)
Far Eastern Language Institute
The Far Eastern Language Institute is another CIC example of 11 universities
accomplishing together what no single one of them could hope to do alone. The
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institutes, held on a different campus each summer, provide intensive training
at all levels in the Japanese and Chinese languages, ranging from first year
introductory courses to advanced seminars in contrastive studies of the two
languages. A student attending two seminars, and carrying a normal academic
load in between, can cover in 15 months what ordinarily would take four years.
Equally important, the faculty members from the CIC universities who staff the
institutes meet in their own seminars to devise new instructional techniques and
procedures, thus strengthening the programs in Japanese and Chinese at their
own institutions. Like the traveling scholar program, the languages institutes
are highly selective, accepting only one of every four or five applicants. Even
so, enrollments have grown each year, from 145 in 1963, to 184 in 1964, 197 in
1965, and 226 in 1966. A unique feature of the program is that the student pays
whatever tuition fee is lower The Ford Foundation has supported this program
with grants totaling $486,000.
There are approximately 3,000 languages spoken in the world today,
and the CIC liberal arts deans, working closely with their foreign language
faculties, have identified 26 of these languages as most critical to the nation's
needs. This poses a problem that pleads for a cooperative, interinstitutional,
CIC-type solution. There now exists a well-advanced plan whereby each of the
11 universities will continue to offer its normal wide range of traditional
foreign languages, but in addition will concentrate on developing strength and
depth in one or more of the critical areas. Students will be able to cross state
and institutional lines as needed. It is clear that although no one university can
possibly develop strength in 26 foreign languages, 11 universities can do it with
ease.
As the programs of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation have
grown in number and effectiveness, their influence and value have spread far
beyond the campuses of the 11 universities themselves and the boundaries of
the seven states in which they are located. The Far Eastern Language Institutes,
for instance, draw students and faculty from across the nation and from foreign
lands. Inspired by the new curriculum studies in mathematics, biology,
chemistry and physics, the Social Science Education Consortium is developing
new materials and new teaching techniques for high school social studies. The
CIC has even given a seed grant to the Association of Midwestern College
Biology Teachers so that they may seek methods through which CIC
institutions can help the smaller colleges improve their biology curricula.
Architects in CIC institutions are addressing themselves to the vast problems of
urban growth and sprawl, and their findings should find application in every
metropolitan area of the nation
Focusing on the Midwest
In the late summer of 1966, the CIC embarked on a project which may well
prove to be its most ambitious and important yet – a joint and concentrated
attack on the economic problems of the Midwest. Specialists in economics,
engineering, business administration, industrial management, physical sciences,
sociology, and political science were drawn from the faculties of the 11
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member institutions. They work closely with governmental, business and
industrial leaders of the area with one central goal: to identify the problems and
find the solutions.
The Midwest could hardly be called a depressed area. Yet problems do
exist. One, for instance, is the "brain drain” occasioned by the flow of talented,
creative people from the area to the glamour industries of the two coasts. There
is no logical reason why the Midwest should lag behind other regions of the
country in any area of scientific and technological advance, particularly in
military and space activities.
The problems to be tackled by the Council on Economic Growth,
Technology and Public Policy are by no means regional in scope; and the
solutions they find will have national implications. Consider, if you will, this
excerpt from the Council's statement of objectives:
The American family, considered as a social and economic unit,
appears to be both more mobile and shorter-lived than in previous
generations. Grandparents no longer live with their sons' or daughters'
families as commonly as in the past; children leave at an earlier age;
and available statistics on American mobility reveal a traditionally
restless people less than ever inclined to stay where they are. Among
the implications of these observations is that the many industries
providing goods and services to the American family should begin to
plan now to accommodate a changing family pattem. What projections
could be made, for instance, for the most suitable type of housing for
such a family? What appliances will such housing have, to contain?
What appliances should be easily transportable? And, assuming that
some of these markets of the future could be charted with a fair degree
of certainty, what technological developments are necessary to satisfy
future demands? Already manufacturers in the Midwest are beginning
to turn to universities with such problems.
Can there be serious doubt that any problem, no matter how great, can
escape the combined attack of the finest intellects which can be
mustered from 11 distinguished institutions of higher learning? We
believe it both fight and necessary that the CIC con.cern itself with the
economic problems of the Midwest. It is, and always has been, the
tra.ditional role of the university to bring its vast resources to bear on all
the problems of those who support it through taxes and gifts.
International implications
Just about a year before the formation of the Council on Economic Growth,
Technology, and Public Policy, the CIC became truly international in scope.
The US State Department's Agency for International Development (AID)
awarded the CIC a contract of $1,183,000 to undertake a comprehensive
analysis of AID-assisted agricultural education and research programs being
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carried out abroad by US universities. In the past 15 years, some 35 universities
have had such programs in more than 30 less developed nations, calling for the
expenditure of more than $85 million in American foreign aid funds. Among
the questions the Council considers are: Are the programs worthwhile? Has the
money been well spent? What new programs are needed, and how can existing
programs be improved? The answers to these and other issues will have a direct
bearing an US government operations abroad.
Other projects now under way through the auspices of the CIC include
cooperative programs in comparative literature, art history, music, speech,
environmental health, water pollution, nursing, veterinary medicine, library
automation, honors courses, physical education, computer-based instructional
systems, studies of course-content improvement in geology, economics and to
other fields, and even a research project in oceanography. (We don't have our
own ocean, but we do have the Great Lakes.)
In the near future, there probably will be cooperative ventures in the
education of doctors and dentists (there are ten medical schools and eight dental
schools in the eleven CIC institutions). One such program might deal with the
recurring and costly problem of a medical student who has failed or missed one
required course. If there is one such student in each medical school each year,
why shouldn't all ten of them make up their work at one institution in the same
summer session?
The possibilities for cooperation are endless and sometimes the
agreements reached take a strange turn. In December 1963, for instance, the
CIC declared a "closed season" on faculty recruitment at member institutions,
to extend from each May 1 through September 1. Faculty recruitment has
always been rigorous in the Big Ten universities, and each year the search for
good college teachers becomes more intense, much more so than the search for
potential all-American athletes. Under the 1963 agreement, the faculty
recruiting at member institutions is as fierce as ever right up to the May 1
deadline. After that, an offer of an appointment at the level of assistant
professor or above, to take effect in the next academic year, cannot be made
without the prior agreement of the affected university.
Interinstitutional cooperation took yet another turn in 1963, when the
Department of Health, Education, and Welfare began seeking a Midwest site
for a water pollution laboratory. Several CIC institutions bid for the center, thus
complicating the task of the federal agency. Following a CIC-sponsored
conference, the bidding universities agreed to pledge their full support to any
institution receiving the laboratory, and relayed this pledge to the government.
Subsequently, the University of Michigan was selected as the site, and
reprcsentatives of all CIC institutions are now working on plans for further
cooperation in the use of its facilities when constructed.
A slightly blemished record
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The story of the CIC is not an unblemished record of success. One time, for
instance, the representatives of the physics departments got together in a
meeting at Ohio State University. They couldn't find anything to cooperate on,
so they went home. Physics is a glamour science today, with considerable
outside money available for research projects. The CIC representatives meeting
in Columbus were so busily engaged in their own projects, so committed to
their own work, that they saw no urgency or necessity for cooperative ventures.
Some day, it seems virtually certain that they will.
Another idea that didn't work out at the time – but may someday –
concerned linking the 11 campuses into a gigantic computer network. Because
each of the 11 universities has its own computer system, why not link them all
together for the instant retrieval of research data stored on any campus? This, it
seems, was an idea ahead of its time. Each of the universities is still struggling
to find the best way to utilize its own computer, and they aren’t yet ready for
such a massive program of coordination.
There have been other times when faculty representatives met and
talked with no apparent results. This is to be expected. Sometimes, as with the
computer network, the time just isn't ripe. Sometimes, perhaps, it is because
several of the universities have no significant interest in a particular field.
Despite an occasional setback, however, the spirit of interinstitutional
cooperation is permeating every academic nook and cranny of the Big Ten
universities and the University of Chicago. This would appear to be fertile
ground for bureaucracy, for empire building on a scale never imagined outside
Washington, DC.
Rejecting bureaucracy
The CIC, fortunately, isn't built that way. It maintains a small, permanent office
at Purdue University, with a professional staff of only two. This office is the
nerve center of the operation. It establishes liaison, and it serves as a factfinding agency and clearinghouse. But, once the project is under way, once a
working organization has been established, the CIC withdraws. It ends its
relationship with the project, unless called upon for further help. This is in
complete harmony with its basic philosophy. The staff office is supported
entirely by the 11 universities, and the foundation funds are used only for the
seed grants which make the cooperative ventures possible.
There are no ultimate goals for the CIC, no target dates for leaning back
on the oars and saying, “There, we did it.” The pattern of interinstitutional
cooperation has become so fixed, so much a way of academic life within our
community of universities, that a return to the old ways is unthinkable. Even,
so, perhaps the greatest accomplishment of the CIC is not what it has done
within its own ranks, but the changes it has helped to bring to higher education
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throughout the land. A 1965-66 survey shows there are 1,017
cooperative unions of colleges and universities, and 245 others in the advanced
planning stages. Most of these cooperative federations have come into being
because the CIC showed the way and proved cooperation was not only
desirable but possible. We know we have helped change the face of American
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The Big Ten wanted to brand the CIC, renamed it the Big Ten Academic Alliance, and formally lost the association with Chicago out of it. UC skewered the collective; there were plenty of shares and coops where they associated with these institutions. If the CIC needed a rebrand, clearly it wasn’t worth a ****.

The Big Ten jumped on adding Hopkins’ men’s lax and said in the release they were immediately invited to the CIC. Hopkins never joined. Big Ten didn’t bother plugging the CIC/BTAA when the women’s team joined the conference.
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(06-09-2019 09:47 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Doesn’t the cic have one or two members now in the big ten? University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins?

Of course, the University of Chicago used to be in the Big Ten, before WWII ... I don't know the history, but would not be surprised if it's position in the CIC was a legacy position, with the University of Chicago being the member of one or more groups otherwise made up of Big Ten schools that were folded into the CIC. Or it might have been a fig leaf when the CIC was formed that it was "about" academics and "just by coincidence" was made up of the Big Ten schools plus Chicago.

But AFAICT, Johns Hopkins was not a member of the CIC before it agreed to join Big Ten Lacrosse as an associate member, and membership of the CIC was not announced until after the agreement to join the Big Ten was announced, so it's only Chicago that is in the CIC but not the Big Ten.
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Rutgers and Syracuse fans hate each other.

Fans of schools in the ACC have dominated this thread.

Notre Dame hates the Big 10.

Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska are still in the Big 10... I think?

Ok, moving on!
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(06-10-2019 12:16 AM)cubucks Wrote:  TL/DR Version

Rutgers and Syracuse fans hate each other.

Fans of schools in the ACC have dominated this thread.

Notre Dame hates the Big 10.

Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska are still in the Big 10... I think?

Ok, moving on!

Thanks for catching me up.
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(06-09-2019 08:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 07:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Colorado-to-the-B1G feels like the hidden-in-plain-sight move we all miss after Oklahoma/ACC schools turn down the B1G.

Colorado / Oklahoma to the Big 10 is the counter to Texas / Tech to the SEC.

Deja Vu.........

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The Big Ten backed out of the deal after learning that one ND alum in particular would suffer an immediate cardiac arrest.
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(06-09-2019 11:44 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 09:47 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Doesn’t the cic have one or two members now in the big ten? University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins?

Of course, the University of Chicago used to be in the Big Ten, before WWII ... I don't know the history, but would not be surprised if it's position in the CIC was a legacy position.

I think the expansion of the Big Ten gave both sides a moment to reflect on the past and look forward. Among other things, the Big Ten was looking at re-branding the CIC.

In all likelihood the University of Chicago was receiving more inbound requests for resources and placement than outbound. Since cooperation can continue outside of the framework of the CIC/Alliance, it was probably time to cut the official ties.
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(06-09-2019 11:44 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  But AFAICT, Johns Hopkins was not a member of the CIC before it agreed to join Big Ten Lacrosse as an associate member, and membership of the CIC was not announced until after the agreement to join the Big Ten was announced, so it's only Chicago that is in the CIC but not the Big Ten.

Hopkins wasn't. The conference used the announcement of the lacrosse affiliation as an opportunity to note the school was immediately invited to join the CIC. IIRC, Hopkins didn't even bother mentioning the CIC invite in their press release about joining the Big Ten for men's lacrosse. Neither side mentioned CIC/BTAA when the women's team came over.

So, as of now, the CIC/BTAA only consists of the fourteen full members of the Big Ten. No more Chicago, no Hopkins.

No Irish, either...and I think the Big Ten, unlike with Johns Hopkins, simply didn't extend this invitation for the ice hockey affiliation?
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(06-10-2019 07:44 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  The Big Ten backed out of the deal after learning that one ND alum in particular would suffer an immediate cardiac arrest.

Lol......this is all fun and games, man.
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(06-09-2019 10:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 04:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 01:56 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 12:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 09:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  My main point is some conferences are better for some schools than others; the ACC is the BEST conference in the eyes of UNC, UVa, and Notre Dame.

I wouldn't necessarily include Notre Dame, as their clear preference is "no conference". Also, we don't know if Notre Dame actually preferred the ACC to say the B1G or Big 12 in an "all things even" sense, it may be the ACC was just willing to give them more than those conferences were. Remember, Notre Dame preferred the Big East over the ACC - until the ACC destroyed the Big East with the 2011 raids.

As for UVA and UNC, that's undoubtedly correct. The ACC is obviously their preferred home, and the ACC would have to deteriorate significantly for that to change.

Notre Dame has wanted to be an ACC member for at least 40 years. The ACC would not allow ND the special favor of a curtailed football schedule for decades. That was the rub. The Big East was just a place to park their other sports. Don't take my word for it, give Boo Corrigan a ring over at State and ask him what his daddy told him about ND. Sometimes it takes a long time for a couple to make enough adjustments to walk down the aisle.

ND does not play 3 ACC football games a year and is not eligible for the ACC title game. That's it - the only caveat. Just like Syracuse not fielding a baseball team.
Notre Dame talked to the Big 10 throughout the 90s. They signed a deal to join the Big 10 as a full member in 1999. The faculty approved it overwhelmingly. The president approved. But it got killed by the trustees who wanted to keep independence.

You have your facts all wrong.

ND never, ever signed a deal with the Big Ten to become a full member.

The idea was approved by the faculty Senate (whose vote was meaningless) and was rejected by the Board of Trustees. No deal.

The alumni and especially the big donors were all dead against Big Ten membership

The Board of Trustees met in London and voted down the idea of Big Ten membership.

Father Monk Malloy, then president of ND issued this statement (which is still applicable today):

''Just as the Universities of Michigan or Wisconsin or Illinois have core identities as the flagship institutions of their states, so Notre Dame has a core identity, and at that core are these characteristics: Catholic, private, independent. As a Catholic university with a national constituency, we believe independence continues to be our best way forward.''

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/06/sport...g-ten.html
I've got my facts totally correct. You've got your emotions eliminating your logic.
Your facts are correct as well. Notre Dame reached an agreement in principle. The alumni and trustees threw a temper tantrum and overwhelmingly opposed it.
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