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(06-03-2019 08:14 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 07:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  There is simply not enough money in alcohol sales alone. In 2012 UofL said they made less than $500,000 from alcohol sales at basketball games and just over $785,000 from those at football games.

The money is simply not worth it. I wish we didn’t have alcohol sales at athletic events at UofL.

While Louisville fans are used to it, visiting fans are not. I can’t tell you the number of visitors to UofL football games I have seen staggering after a game the last 35 years.

The little money made from alcohol sales isn’t worth the change to your game day experience.

How long has alcohol been allowed there?

For me, it's hard to see a real downside. Been to a ton of neutral site/bowl/NFL games over the years and honestly have not noticed any significant difference. To be honest, the drunkest/most obnoxious crowds I've ever been in have been South Carolina home games.

I’ve been a Louisville season ticket holder since 1985 and we’ve had beer sales since then. Started going to games in the 70’s but don’t remember if they sold it when I was a kid or not.

Honestly Kentucky fans are the worst inside the stadium as far as being able to hold their alcohol and be civil. Miami fans are the worst I have seen anywhere outside the stadium tailgating. The U fans are terrible drunks.

Syracuse, Clemson and Texas A&M are some of the best fans to drink with.
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(06-03-2019 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 07:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The little money made from alcohol sales isn’t worth the change to your game day experience.

Well, the good news is that the new SEC rule is not mandatory. Schools are still free to ban alcohol in their stadiums and arenas if that's the culture they want to maintain, e.g., Alabama has already said they are keeping their old ban.

And, schools have different gameday experiences. E.g., I have been going to LSU games for 24 years now, and the historical gameday experience is MASSIVE amounts of friendly drinking outside the stadium during pre-game tailgating **. So even with no alcohol sales in the stadium, thousands of people would enter the stadium very much inebriated. The tailgating at LSU is legendary and something the fans love, so they have never minded that.

So it's not just the in-stadium policy that matters, but also the culture of tailgating, etc.

** I say "friendly" because despite the drinking, I have never seen a fight, brawl, etc.

I have heard that LSU tailgates are legendary for the food and drink. I haven’t been to Baton Rouge for a game yet.
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(06-03-2019 05:18 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
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(06-03-2019 01:12 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 12:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  As usual an absolutely ridiculous take from you.

Alcohol sales have been discussed by the SEC for several years now.

Do you think Clemson would ever re-evaluate selling alcohol? I have always said SC and Clemson will be the last two schools to do so.

No. Not with BYU still in existence.

True, I forgot about them. Probably Liberty too. Would ND I wonder?

Berkeley will let fans smoke weed in the stands before BYU and Liberty allow booze.
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(06-03-2019 04:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 12:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 04:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 04:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I suspect the pressure for this move came from the B1G's announcement of dispersing 50 million dollars per school -the sec schools suddenly feel like they're falling behind in money.

I've a good mind to neg rep you for this troll, and I've never given a neg rep to anyone. We still out earned them by 6 million per school in total revenue and booze sales have nothing to do with the Big 10. The SEC won't lose any sleep over what the Big 10 does or doesn't do. The only competition between us of note right now might be for the acquisition of Texas or Oklahoma. The SEC will pass them in media revenue easily enough with the new T1 deal and everyone in our leadership knows it.

Ridiculous!

I am serious. This announcement comes pretty soon on the heels of the B1G's announcement of conference revenue that is way bigger than the SEC, and this is a change in *SEC* policy, something the conference can act on.

And you keep trotting out that tired "SEC earned $6m more per school" number when I already explained how that is not the most relevant number to school administrators. The conference disbursement number is, because that's the value of being a member of a conference.

That's why e.g. a few years ago the ACC had to mollify FSU and Clemson about ACC money compared to the B1G/SEC/Big 12 even though those schools were, when you added up the conference money and the money they generated locally, making more money than the average SEC/B1G/Big 12 school.

Because that's not what mattered to them, what mattered was what the conference paid out. They figured "our local money is portable, e.g., we will average 80,000 fans whether we are in the ACC or Big 12, but we will get $10m more in media money in the latter, so let's try to move". That's why the ACC moved quickly to get a GOR and set up the ACCN.

I don't know whether the SEC made this change in response to B1G money or not, but it seems plausible to me that they did, so i threw it out there. That's what this forum is for, discussing that kind of stuff.

As usual an absolutely ridiculous take from you.

Alcohol sales have been discussed by the SEC for several years now.

But ... they didn't act on that until NOW.

Your insertion here was dumb even by your poor standards. 07-coffee3

So where's your proof that the reason they acted now was in response to Big Slow money?



Oh yeah,that's right...you don't have any. As usual the only place you are right is in your own deluded mind.
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Here’s a dated piece from Kristi Dosh....

Forbes

A couple of highlights...


“West Virginia told me their revenue from sales at football games last year was $626,675. Louisville sells at football and men's basketball but doesn't receive a breakdown from its concession company as to the revenue attributed to alcohol versus hot dogs or other items. Louisville's total concession revenue was $847,212 for football and $822,428 for men's basketball. So, regardless we're not talking about life-changing numbers”

“Beyond that, there's the money from sponsorships and other partnership opportunities with brands, like the one Louisville forged with Maker's Mark to sell bottles emblazoned with coaches' faces. That brought in a cool $2.5 million over three years, which Louisville said would be used to construct a new academic center for student athletes.

Bottom line: alcohol sales can add revenue to athletic departments, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to major sources of revenue like television and contributions. For the most part, it's an enhancement to the fan experience.

The real money comes from leveraging the venue for other events and from the beverage companies themselves, not from fans shelling out $7.50 for a plastic cup of beer at a game.”
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(06-03-2019 10:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 04:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 12:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 04:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I've a good mind to neg rep you for this troll, and I've never given a neg rep to anyone. We still out earned them by 6 million per school in total revenue and booze sales have nothing to do with the Big 10. The SEC won't lose any sleep over what the Big 10 does or doesn't do. The only competition between us of note right now might be for the acquisition of Texas or Oklahoma. The SEC will pass them in media revenue easily enough with the new T1 deal and everyone in our leadership knows it.

Ridiculous!

I am serious. This announcement comes pretty soon on the heels of the B1G's announcement of conference revenue that is way bigger than the SEC, and this is a change in *SEC* policy, something the conference can act on.

And you keep trotting out that tired "SEC earned $6m more per school" number when I already explained how that is not the most relevant number to school administrators. The conference disbursement number is, because that's the value of being a member of a conference.

That's why e.g. a few years ago the ACC had to mollify FSU and Clemson about ACC money compared to the B1G/SEC/Big 12 even though those schools were, when you added up the conference money and the money they generated locally, making more money than the average SEC/B1G/Big 12 school.

Because that's not what mattered to them, what mattered was what the conference paid out. They figured "our local money is portable, e.g., we will average 80,000 fans whether we are in the ACC or Big 12, but we will get $10m more in media money in the latter, so let's try to move". That's why the ACC moved quickly to get a GOR and set up the ACCN.

I don't know whether the SEC made this change in response to B1G money or not, but it seems plausible to me that they did, so i threw it out there. That's what this forum is for, discussing that kind of stuff.

As usual an absolutely ridiculous take from you.

Alcohol sales have been discussed by the SEC for several years now.

But ... they didn't act on that until NOW.

Your insertion here was dumb even by your poor standards. 07-coffee3

So where's your proof that the reason they acted now was in response to Big Slow money?



Oh yeah,that's right...you don't have any. As usual the only place you are right is in your own deluded mind.

You are one warped dude. I *never* claimed that i have proof or know for sure that the SEC approved alcohol sales because of the B1G money announcement. I have offered a belief that this might be the motivation. In fact, in the post you quoted, i said:

"I don't know whether the SEC made this change in response to B1G money or not, but it seems plausible to me that they did, so i threw it out there."

Are you being deliberately stupid, or what?
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(06-04-2019 09:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  You are one warped dude. I *never* claimed that i have proof or know for sure that the SEC approved alcohol sales because of the B1G money announcement. I have offered a belief that this might be the motivation. In fact, in the post you quoted, i said:

"I don't know whether the SEC made this change in response to B1G money or not, but it seems plausible to me that they did, so i threw it out there."

Are you being deliberately stupid, or what?

To your point, I suppose it's possible but I don't really think the Big Ten was really a factor. As JR pointed out they have been talking about this for the past 3-4 years and I believe they were quite close to passing this last year. At the time though there were other issues regarding transfers and scheduling and the decision was made to table it for another year.
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(06-03-2019 05:18 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 03:12 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 01:12 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 12:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  As usual an absolutely ridiculous take from you.

Alcohol sales have been discussed by the SEC for several years now.

Do you think Clemson would ever re-evaluate selling alcohol? I have always said SC and Clemson will be the last two schools to do so.

No. Not with BYU still in existence.

True, I forgot about them. Probably Liberty too. Would ND I wonder?

To quote the Deacon at my Catholic church (who became Catholic as an adult).... "The reason why you become Catholic is because you get to drink beer."

I think it's no coincidence that the two SEC schools pushing for alcohol sales (LSU and Texas A&M) are the only two SEC schools with large Catholic populations in their state.
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(06-04-2019 09:36 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 09:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  You are one warped dude. I *never* claimed that i have proof or know for sure that the SEC approved alcohol sales because of the B1G money announcement. I have offered a belief that this might be the motivation. In fact, in the post you quoted, i said:

"I don't know whether the SEC made this change in response to B1G money or not, but it seems plausible to me that they did, so i threw it out there."

Are you being deliberately stupid, or what?

To your point, I suppose it's possible but I don't really think the Big Ten was really a factor. As JR pointed out they have been talking about this for the past 3-4 years and I believe they were quite close to passing this last year. At the time though there were other issues regarding transfers and scheduling and the decision was made to table it for another year.

The timing seems curious to me. As you say, the issue has been bandied about in conference circles for a number of years, but nothing had been done on it.

Then, the B1G announces huge money, surpassing the SEC, and suddenly within weeks an issue that had "languished in committee" gets acted on and the ban is lifted?

Could be coincidental. But also maybe not. Personally, I'm glad it was lifted, it's really an issue for each school to decide, it's not a conference issue.
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(06-04-2019 04:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 09:36 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 09:11 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  You are one warped dude. I *never* claimed that i have proof or know for sure that the SEC approved alcohol sales because of the B1G money announcement. I have offered a belief that this might be the motivation. In fact, in the post you quoted, i said:

"I don't know whether the SEC made this change in response to B1G money or not, but it seems plausible to me that they did, so i threw it out there."

Are you being deliberately stupid, or what?

To your point, I suppose it's possible but I don't really think the Big Ten was really a factor. As JR pointed out they have been talking about this for the past 3-4 years and I believe they were quite close to passing this last year. At the time though there were other issues regarding transfers and scheduling and the decision was made to table it for another year.

The timing seems curious to me. As you say, the issue has been bandied about in conference circles for a number of years, but nothing had been done on it.

Then, the B1G announces huge money, surpassing the SEC, and suddenly within weeks an issue that had "languished in committee" gets acted on and the ban is lifted?

Could be coincidental. But also maybe not. Personally, I'm glad it was lifted, it's really an issue for each school to decide, it's not a conference issue.

Quo, the two items aren't linked at all, period. Everything Gamecock stated was what I was told about the meetings a year ago. And everyone I know knew when the Big 10 contract money would kick in and that's old news too. You are the only one trying to make it something it's not, and after being told the truth, that falls into the category of trolling.

I haven't heard one SEC official who is worried about what the Big 10 is doing outside of keeping an open eye on the Texas / Oklahoma situation. That's the big story waiting to unfold. Will they bolt, or will they stay. Until a new GOR extension is signed in the Big 12 that talk will remain.

And one other thing, if Alabama and Auburn were worried about Big 10 payouts and needed alcohol sales (less than a million at most schools who do it) why did they both immediately announce that there would be no alcohol sales at Bryant Denny and Jordan Hare? Only your Cajuns are jumping on this, and possibly A&M. The money isn't enough for even a fool to associate it as an attempt to play catch up with Big 10 revenue so what does that make you?
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(06-04-2019 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And one other thing, if Alabama and Auburn were worried about Big 10 payouts and needed alcohol sales (less than a million at most schools who do it) why did they both immediately announce that there would be no alcohol sales at Bryant Denny and Jordan Hare?

I never said Auburn and Alabama specifically were worried about the B1G payouts.

The overturning of the conference ban allows members who *do* want to make more money, for any reason, to do so. You pooh-pooh the amount of money involved, but money surely had to be the motivation for overturning the ban, as there is no other plausible reason for wanting to do so.
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Quote:The SEC has lifted its ban on alcohol with restrictions beginning Aug. 1, but nearly a quarter of the league isn't expected to alter its current stance on beer availability.

Those in power at Alabama, Auburn, Georgia and Mississippi State have all said publicly they'll stick to their guns when it comes to alcohol sales during football games.

"This new policy allows each campus to decide what is right for them," the University of Alabama's general statement reads. "These guidelines will be helpful as we move forward and have future conversations. We have one of the best game-day atmospheres in the country, and we don't envision making changes at this time."

https://247sports.com/college/auburn/Art...132603208/
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As far as the money goes, it's not a question of how much beer or wine sales bring in at the concession stands. Where there is some potential for real money is if schools that don't regularly sell out their stadiums can entice more fans to attend each week by having alcohol available. For the SEC, I don't see this as a financial issue at all. It's much more a cultural/traditional one.
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(06-05-2019 09:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  As far as the money goes, it's not a question of how much beer or wine sales bring in at the concession stands. Where there is some potential for real money is if schools that don't regularly sell out their stadiums can entice more fans to attend each week by having alcohol available. For the SEC, I don't see this as a financial issue at all. It's much more a cultural/traditional one.

I agree. This is almost purely a fan service issue
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(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And one other thing, if Alabama and Auburn were worried about Big 10 payouts and needed alcohol sales (less than a million at most schools who do it) why did they both immediately announce that there would be no alcohol sales at Bryant Denny and Jordan Hare?

I never said Auburn and Alabama specifically were worried about the B1G payouts.

The overturning of the conference ban allows members who *do* want to make more money, for any reason, to do so. You pooh-pooh the amount of money involved, but money surely had to be the motivation for overturning the ban, as there is no other plausible reason for wanting to do so.
Yes there is another reason, it's the reason this discussion has been on the docket for several years already. The Fans want the same privilege as has been afforded the sky boxes. Alcohol has been served in the corporate sky boxes since their inception. Joe average fan may not be able to have a martini in Section 50, Row 14, Seat 10 but they can have a beer. It is symbolically a step toward not have so very many perks in the sky boxes that the average fan can't have. It's been a point of resentment now for years and was the reason I quit giving half a scholarship when the damned corporate boxes were built. I figured at the time that the sky box was a huge symbol that it wasn't about the school or the players anymore. It was about the corporate elite being seen in the right places and being seen not as equals but overlords. Everything that has happened since has only confirmed it. What people have at tailgates is catered in the corporate box so they don't have to mingle with the rabble. Shoot, they even had a private guarded parking lot adjacent to the stadium.

Beer sales by comparison is loose change to the annual sky box fees. And if it makes the common fan who make up 99% of the total attendance feel better about the experience it's that awareness that is driving this move. If the Big 10 plays into this at all it is only as an excuse to the Baptists in the South to say see the Big 10 is doing it too! I suppose if Texas decides to sell brisket at the games it's because they are playing catch up too?
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(06-05-2019 01:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And one other thing, if Alabama and Auburn were worried about Big 10 payouts and needed alcohol sales (less than a million at most schools who do it) why did they both immediately announce that there would be no alcohol sales at Bryant Denny and Jordan Hare?

I never said Auburn and Alabama specifically were worried about the B1G payouts.

The overturning of the conference ban allows members who *do* want to make more money, for any reason, to do so. You pooh-pooh the amount of money involved, but money surely had to be the motivation for overturning the ban, as there is no other plausible reason for wanting to do so.
Yes there is another reason, it's the reason this discussion has been on the docket for several years already. The Fans want the same privilege as has been afforded the sky boxes. Alcohol has been served in the corporate sky boxes since their inception. Joe average fan may not be able to have a martini in Section 50, Row 14, Seat 10 but they can have a beer. It is symbolically a step toward not have so very many perks in the sky boxes that the average fan can't have.

That's a good point, but IMO it is a point for a school *not* to lift the ban. If I were an AD or campus administrator, I'd be much more interested in selling those extremely high-price sky boxes, and the alcohol exclusivity would be a selling point, a point of distinction. I'd rather put up with the resentment of the "average Joe" who wants a beer than take away a selling point for boxes. Rich people who shell out big bucks do so because they *want* to be treated differently, and better, than the great mass of people. They are paying more for that privilege.
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This means if you play a night game at LSU, they not only spent all day drinking but they're going to enter the stadium and keep going until the 3rd quarter. I don't even know what you'd have to do if they made booze sales legal in Morgantown. Bring in platoons of the national guard in armored vehicles?
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(06-05-2019 03:13 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  This means if you play a night game at LSU, they not only spent all day drinking but they're going to enter the stadium and keep going until the 3rd quarter. I don't even know what you'd have to do if they made booze sales legal in Morgantown. Bring in platoons of the national guard in armored vehicles?

Booze sales are legal in Morgantown. BTW there is a benefit to selling beer in the stadium at Baton Rouge. The all get so damned drunk that getting to your car and getting out becomes much easier. When they come to Auburn (and they are a great travel crowd) they stick around for 3 hours after the game just to get sober enough to drive. We have less of a traffic problem when playing L.S.U. than anyone else. So it's not all a downside.
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(06-05-2019 02:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-05-2019 01:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-05-2019 08:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And one other thing, if Alabama and Auburn were worried about Big 10 payouts and needed alcohol sales (less than a million at most schools who do it) why did they both immediately announce that there would be no alcohol sales at Bryant Denny and Jordan Hare?

I never said Auburn and Alabama specifically were worried about the B1G payouts.

The overturning of the conference ban allows members who *do* want to make more money, for any reason, to do so. You pooh-pooh the amount of money involved, but money surely had to be the motivation for overturning the ban, as there is no other plausible reason for wanting to do so.
Yes there is another reason, it's the reason this discussion has been on the docket for several years already. The Fans want the same privilege as has been afforded the sky boxes. Alcohol has been served in the corporate sky boxes since their inception. Joe average fan may not be able to have a martini in Section 50, Row 14, Seat 10 but they can have a beer. It is symbolically a step toward not have so very many perks in the sky boxes that the average fan can't have.

That's a good point, but IMO it is a point for a school *not* to lift the ban. If I were an AD or campus administrator, I'd be much more interested in selling those extremely high-price sky boxes, and the alcohol exclusivity would be a selling point, a point of distinction. I'd rather put up with the resentment of the "average Joe" who wants a beer than take away a selling point for boxes. Rich people who shell out big bucks do so because they *want* to be treated differently, and better, than the great mass of people. They are paying more for that privilege.

We have a waiting line on sky boxes. Selling one is not a problem.
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RE: SEC Lifting Ban on Alcohol Sales
(06-05-2019 03:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Booze sales are legal in Morgantown.


In the football stadium? By WVU fans?

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So what they thought throwing D cells was too tame?
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