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(05-28-2019 11:20 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Here's the truth about MD's current finances - and the articles are not 7 years old:

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terp...story.html

Oh so those 7 year old articles from when they were actual members of the ACC don't matter? Their financials weren't sh*t before they left the ACC? These are decisions that last a century not just a few years. Those fans and those donations were already dropping before they left the ACC.

Quote:Evans said the department is in a more secure financial position because of annual revenue sharing within the prosperous Big Ten. But he acknowledged that football ticket sales and fundraising were declining even before McNair's death and said the declines were related to the team's performance

Did you even read the article you posted?
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Maryland is in a better situation for Maryland because of the money, and they’ve always wanted to be like Penn State in football. But NOBODY can say their basketball program is in a better place in terms of fan interest. They are the absolute outlier in that conference and my Terp friends are the ones butthurt about it. Although, having PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan on the yearly football schedule is great, they will NEVER win their division. The football situation makes it an easier pill to swallow for fans due to those top flight opponents.

In terms of fan interest it’s very similar to BC joining the ACC. Although, the Eagle football team just so happened to hit its apex after the move. BC came into the ACC with one of the best QB’s currently playing in the NFL, but fans of their basketball team definitely waned in interest due to lost Big East rivalries. The pill was able to be swallowed because UNC, Duke, and even Maryland were on the hoops menu.
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(05-29-2019 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maryland is in a better situation for Maryland because of the money, and they’ve always wanted to be like Penn State in football. But NOBODY can say their basketball program is in a better place in terms of fan interest. They are the absolute outlier in that conference and my Terp friends are the ones butthurt about it. Although, having PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan on the yearly football schedule is great, they will NEVER win their division. The football situation makes it an easier pill to swallow for fans due to those top flight opponents.

In terms of fan interest it’s very similar to BC joining the ACC. Although, the Eagle football team just so happened to hit its apex after the move. BC came into the ACC with one of the best QB’s currently playing in the NFL, but fans of their basketball team definitely waned in interest due to lost Big East rivalries. The pill was able to be swallowed because UNC, Duke, and even Maryland were on the hoops menu.

Maryland went from being the #3 football team in the ACC Atlantic to being the #6 football team in the Big Ten East. I won't say that they will NEVER win their division (Wake Forest won the ACC Atlantic once this century), but it will certainly be few and far between, barring some really shocking events.

The point that Maryland - despite all the loans they've received from the Big Ten - is about the same place they would've been had they stayed in the ACC - and because of the need to pay back those loans, that won't change for a good decade - all of that brings into question whether they made the right decision.

For Rutgers, 100% no brainer to accept the Big Ten offer. For Maryland, I'm not so sure.
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(05-29-2019 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maryland is in a better situation for Maryland because of the money, and they’ve always wanted to be like Penn State in football. But NOBODY can say their basketball program is in a better place in terms of fan interest. They are the absolute outlier in that conference and my Terp friends are the ones butthurt about it. Although, having PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan on the yearly football schedule is great, they will NEVER win their division. The football situation makes it an easier pill to swallow for fans due to those top flight opponents.

In terms of fan interest it’s very similar to BC joining the ACC. Although, the Eagle football team just so happened to hit its apex after the move. BC came into the ACC with one of the best QB’s currently playing in the NFL, but fans of their basketball team definitely waned in interest due to lost Big East rivalries. The pill was able to be swallowed because UNC, Duke, and even Maryland were on the hoops menu.

Once again, these decisions are about generations from now not just the immediate results. Yes, the old school fans and alum rather see Maryland play UNC and Duke. As time goes by they will be just as thrilled playing MSU, Indiana and Wisconsin in basketball and even though they wont win their division in FB almost every year they will be playing the best of the best every year. Think Miss St cares that they play in a division with LSU, Bama and Auburn and have no chance at winning a division title 98% of the time? Nope.

Being in that division will down the road help bring in better recruits who now get to go to the big house and the horseshoe and happy valley.
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Maryland is the biggest outlier of all the conference moves made by the P5 IMO.
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(05-29-2019 10:57 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maryland is in a better situation for Maryland because of the money, and they’ve always wanted to be like Penn State in football. But NOBODY can say their basketball program is in a better place in terms of fan interest. They are the absolute outlier in that conference and my Terp friends are the ones butthurt about it. Although, having PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan on the yearly football schedule is great, they will NEVER win their division. The football situation makes it an easier pill to swallow for fans due to those top flight opponents.

In terms of fan interest it’s very similar to BC joining the ACC. Although, the Eagle football team just so happened to hit its apex after the move. BC came into the ACC with one of the best QB’s currently playing in the NFL, but fans of their basketball team definitely waned in interest due to lost Big East rivalries. The pill was able to be swallowed because UNC, Duke, and even Maryland were on the hoops menu.

Maryland went from being the #3 football team in the ACC Atlantic to being the #6 football team in the Big Ten East. I won't say that they will NEVER win their division (Wake Forest won the ACC Atlantic once this century), but it will certainly be few and far between, barring some really shocking events.

The point that Maryland - despite all the loans they've received from the Big Ten - is about the same place they would've been had they stayed in the ACC - and because of the need to pay back those loans, that won't change for a good decade - all of that brings into question whether they made the right decision.

For Rutgers, 100% no brainer to accept the Big Ten offer. For Maryland, I'm not so sure.

It was a no brainer for Maryland as well. Maryland was cutting non-revenue sports in the ACC. They also aren't taking loans they are getting advances on future payments those are not the same as loans. They don't need to get paid back they just get a little less yearly payout down the road for a certain # of years.

These decisions aren't made about on the field results for the first few years. Thats beyond silly, these are long term decisions made for long term results beyond just on the field wins and loses.

Like it or not there are two true power conferences in college sports and those two are the SEC and the B1G. The ACC and XII are vulnerable to being raided. Yes, they are since they've already been raided. Now they both have GoR in place to stop anymore defections but those have yet to be challenged so we have no idea how binding they actually are and the closer you get to the end of them the weaker they get.

The PAC is just on an island and thats all that keeps them from being a a target for raids by the two true power conferences.

The more time goes by the more the older fans/alum die out and newer fans/alum know only their games against B1G competition the more the school will feel more at home in that conference.
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(05-29-2019 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maryland is in a better situation for Maryland because of the money, and they’ve always wanted to be like Penn State in football. But NOBODY can say their basketball program is in a better place in terms of fan interest. They are the absolute outlier in that conference and my Terp friends are the ones butthurt about it. Although, having PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan on the yearly football schedule is great, they will NEVER win their division. The football situation makes it an easier pill to swallow for fans due to those top flight opponents.

In terms of fan interest it’s very similar to BC joining the ACC. Although, the Eagle football team just so happened to hit its apex after the move. BC came into the ACC with one of the best QB’s currently playing in the NFL, but fans of their basketball team definitely waned in interest due to lost Big East rivalries. The pill was able to be swallowed because UNC, Duke, and even Maryland were on the hoops menu.

Once again, these decisions are about generations from now not just the immediate results. Yes, the old school fans and alum rather see Maryland play UNC and Duke. As time goes by they will be just as thrilled playing MSU, Indiana and Wisconsin in basketball and even though they wont win their division in FB almost every year they will be playing the best of the best every year. Think Miss St cares that they play in a division with LSU, Bama and Auburn and have no chance at winning a division title 98% of the time? Nope.

Being in that division will down the road help bring in better recruits who now get to go to the big house and the horseshoe and happy valley.

I said they were happy with the football division, why are you battling ghosts?

Did you really just throw Wisconsin in there for basketball? Yikes. I don’t think they will be just as thrilled playing Indiana and MSU. But, let’s revisit this in 100 years.
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I wonder if Maryland is still paying people to influence message boards?
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(05-29-2019 12:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 11:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maryland is in a better situation for Maryland because of the money, and they’ve always wanted to be like Penn State in football. But NOBODY can say their basketball program is in a better place in terms of fan interest. They are the absolute outlier in that conference and my Terp friends are the ones butthurt about it. Although, having PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan on the yearly football schedule is great, they will NEVER win their division. The football situation makes it an easier pill to swallow for fans due to those top flight opponents.

In terms of fan interest it’s very similar to BC joining the ACC. Although, the Eagle football team just so happened to hit its apex after the move. BC came into the ACC with one of the best QB’s currently playing in the NFL, but fans of their basketball team definitely waned in interest due to lost Big East rivalries. The pill was able to be swallowed because UNC, Duke, and even Maryland were on the hoops menu.

Once again, these decisions are about generations from now not just the immediate results. Yes, the old school fans and alum rather see Maryland play UNC and Duke. As time goes by they will be just as thrilled playing MSU, Indiana and Wisconsin in basketball and even though they wont win their division in FB almost every year they will be playing the best of the best every year. Think Miss St cares that they play in a division with LSU, Bama and Auburn and have no chance at winning a division title 98% of the time? Nope.

Being in that division will down the road help bring in better recruits who now get to go to the big house and the horseshoe and happy valley.

I said they were happy with the football division, why are you battling ghosts?

Did you really just throw Wisconsin in there for basketball? Yikes. I don’t think they will be just as thrilled playing Indiana and MSU. But, let’s revisit this in 100 years.

So Wisconsin isn't a high level BBall program? Really?
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(05-29-2019 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maryland is in a better situation for Maryland because of the money, and they’ve always wanted to be like Penn State in football. But NOBODY can say their basketball program is in a better place in terms of fan interest. They are the absolute outlier in that conference and my Terp friends are the ones butthurt about it. Although, having PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan on the yearly football schedule is great, they will NEVER win their division. The football situation makes it an easier pill to swallow for fans due to those top flight opponents.

In terms of fan interest it’s very similar to BC joining the ACC. Although, the Eagle football team just so happened to hit its apex after the move. BC came into the ACC with one of the best QB’s currently playing in the NFL, but fans of their basketball team definitely waned in interest due to lost Big East rivalries. The pill was able to be swallowed because UNC, Duke, and even Maryland were on the hoops menu.

Maryland is NOT in a better situation E. Maryland has now the amount of money they would have had in the ACC, had they stayed. Of the 94 Million MD showed as revenue, 14 Million is a transfer from the University General Fund - a subsidy. In addition to that MD has been advanced money from the Big 10 to support current operations and to go toward their ACC exit fee.

This is not better, it is just treading water in the B10 instead of being competitive in football in the ACC. The numbers confirm this. If you have no knowledge about MD, no knowledge about the ACC, and Wallace Lowe, and Bill Kirwan, you might be naive enough to believe otherwise.

E - MD's problems and issues are ancient. The power of football was a political issue at MD in the early 1950's and was finally resolved with the 800 SAT rule. MD so mismanaged it's response to Len Bias death that they killed their booster club by failing to support Lefty and Bobby Ross. Then the University began to bleed off booster club donation to the General Fund. After having lost graduate programs to Baltimore in 1970 UM's booster base with real money began to dwindle in the early 90's and then MD faced competition for discretionary money in their market with the Ravens and the Nationals.

Politically UM under Loh and Kirwan has attempted to take over all other Maryland Higher Education. They lied about the nature of CIC to make it sound like it was a source of money to MD and you can read that in a number of their statements.

Kirwan got what HE wanted. Did Tom McMillian and others get what they wanted? No. Like Nebraska's move from the Big 12, South Carolina's move from the ACC, GT's move from the SEC, these were ego driven decisions that were justified based on PROJECTED money to be made.

But enough history.
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(05-29-2019 12:25 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 11:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maryland is in a better situation for Maryland because of the money, and they’ve always wanted to be like Penn State in football. But NOBODY can say their basketball program is in a better place in terms of fan interest. They are the absolute outlier in that conference and my Terp friends are the ones butthurt about it. Although, having PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan on the yearly football schedule is great, they will NEVER win their division. The football situation makes it an easier pill to swallow for fans due to those top flight opponents.

In terms of fan interest it’s very similar to BC joining the ACC. Although, the Eagle football team just so happened to hit its apex after the move. BC came into the ACC with one of the best QB’s currently playing in the NFL, but fans of their basketball team definitely waned in interest due to lost Big East rivalries. The pill was able to be swallowed because UNC, Duke, and even Maryland were on the hoops menu.

Once again, these decisions are about generations from now not just the immediate results. Yes, the old school fans and alum rather see Maryland play UNC and Duke. As time goes by they will be just as thrilled playing MSU, Indiana and Wisconsin in basketball and even though they wont win their division in FB almost every year they will be playing the best of the best every year. Think Miss St cares that they play in a division with LSU, Bama and Auburn and have no chance at winning a division title 98% of the time? Nope.

Being in that division will down the road help bring in better recruits who now get to go to the big house and the horseshoe and happy valley.

I said they were happy with the football division, why are you battling ghosts?

Did you really just throw Wisconsin in there for basketball? Yikes. I don’t think they will be just as thrilled playing Indiana and MSU. But, let’s revisit this in 100 years.

So Wisconsin isn't a high level BBall program? Really?

No, Wisconsin is not on the same level as UNC, Duke, Indiana, and MSU. As a fan of wine and cheese, I appreciate their domestic contribution to that particular field of pleasure. 04-wine
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The only P-5 in worse shape than MD is Rutgers https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/2...748374002/


Most of Rutgers University’s athletic teams have been at the bottom of the pack in the Big Ten Conference in terms of wins — and a report released Friday states that the Rutgers athletic program also ranks last or near the bottom of the 12-team conference in financial performance.

To make matters worse, the report, commissioned by the university, shows that Rutgers won’t begin to receive a full distribution of shared revenue from the Big Ten until 2027. Until then, the amounts will be a small fraction of what the other conference athletic programs receive in revenue sharing.

Among the most striking aspects of the report is that a far larger percent of the athletic program’s revenue comes from the university and student fees, while the programs of other Big Ten and peer schools across the country are more self-sustaining, with far more revenue from such sources as ticket sales, fundraising and naming rights — a point that drew sharp criticism from the Rutgers faculty and graduate student union.


Rutgers President Robert Barchi’s “focus on athletics is costing Rutgers students 10 to 15 times more in fees than their peers across the country,” the union said in a statement.

The union called the report “damning,” since it “reveals how much money the university is losing on athletics.”

“Their plan robs from our educational mission, gouges our students and saddles them with greater debt to subsidize a mismanaged Athletics program,” said Deepa Kumar, president of the union that represents 7,700 Rutgers faculty and graduate students who teach. "We need to restore the balance, and re-prioritize the academic mission."


Rutgers said it commissioned the report to help the university develop a “comprehensive, multi-dimensional plan to reach competitiveness in a fiscally responsible manner.”


The report “provides independent confirmation of the challenges and opportunities before us as we continue the work of transforming Rutgers Athletics into a competitive program,” Director of Athletics Pat Hobbs said in a statement. “We will digest their findings, and develop and execute an action plan to exploit every identified opportunity.”


Rutgers hired Atlanta-based College Sports Solutions to conduct the study. According to its website, the company provides collegiate athletic consulting, strategies and solutions to universities and intercollegiate conferences.

“With the student-athlete experience as a primary focus, tremendous progress has already been made under Pat Hobbs,” Rutgers University Board of Governors member Greg Brown said in a statement. “Consulting with industry leaders … in a transparent manner to quantify opportunity furthers this progress.”


The study links Rutgers’ poor athletic performance in the conference to its low athletic budget and comparatively poor athletic facilities. Its four-year winning percentage in all sports is 26 percent, putting it last in the conference.

College Sports Solutions conducted interviews with Rutgers officials, student-athletes, coaches, campus student leaders, Big ten officials and others.

Among the comments it collected:

“The biggest challenge is getting the university on board with athletics."
“We thought we were better than we are going into the Big Ten. We were naïve, but there is resistance to admitting that now.”
“The early lack of success of Rutgers teams in the Big Ten has been a surprise to donors and alumni, a substantial disappointment.”
“Rutgers football and basketball teams must have a measure of success to kindle an emotional connection between athletics and all university constituencies.”
There was also a consistent theme that Rutgers had too many sports — to compete, it can’t sustain 24 sports.

To boost the Rutgers athletic program’s success, the report makes several suggestions:

Restructure the university’s internal and external debt and its current financial arrangement with the Big Ten Conference
Make additional improvements to facilities for student-athletes
Improve ticket sales efforts
Focus more on the annual fund to boost revenue
Pursue naming rights opportunities, especially in major competitive venues
Improve equipment and apparel contracts
Consider selling alcohol at games
“The report provides an insular narrative from high-level management calling for spending more money on a failed program offering the weak premise that they could start winning, gain popular support and maybe break even in nearly another decade,” said Mark Killingsworth, a Rutgers professor of labor economics.


The report “recommends even more spending, and even more raids on student fees and the academic budget,” said Killingsworth.

The Rutgers athletic budget ranks dead last among the 12 Big Ten schools. In fact, its fiscal 2019 budget is $93 million, less than half that of Ohio State, which has the top Big Ten athletic budget at $221 million, or Michigan, which ranks second at $185 million.

The Rutgers athletic program’s revenue from all sources is also near the bottom — 10th of 12 schools. Rutgers’ fiscal 2017 athletics program revenue was $97 million, compared with top-ranking Ohio State and Michigan at $185 million each.



Rutgers also ranked last in 2017 annual gift contributions, at $7 million, compared to Michigan and Ohio State, which generated $38 million each.

And Rutgers ticket sales ranked 11th of 12 schools, bringing in $13 million, compared with Ohio State’s $62 million.

As a result, Rutgers must subsidize the athletic program with university funds at a higher rate than its Big Ten competitors.


Compared with other Big Ten schools and similar peer institutions, a far larger share of Rutgers revenue for athletics is generated not by the athletics program itself but through the university’s own revenue sources, including student fees. Such non-athletic revenue sources contributed $33 million to the Rutgers athletic budget, including $12 million in student fees, which the report says “significantly exceeded that of both Big Ten and peer institutions.”

When Rutgers entered the conference in 2014, it agreed on receiving a revenue-sharing payment equal to what it would have received if it had remained in the American Athletic Conference — between $9 million and $10 million annually.

[b]In addition, the Big Ten advanced Rutgers an additional $48 million against future distributions. As a result, it won’t enjoy a full revenue-sharing disbursement from the conference until 2027, totaling $65.2 million.[/b]

In 2019, Rutgers is supposed to get $23.8 million from the Big Ten, compared with the full distribution of $50 million the other schools receive.

Staff Writer Hannan Adely contributed to this article.
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(05-29-2019 12:47 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:25 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 12:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 11:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 09:19 AM)esayem Wrote:  Maryland is in a better situation for Maryland because of the money, and they’ve always wanted to be like Penn State in football. But NOBODY can say their basketball program is in a better place in terms of fan interest. They are the absolute outlier in that conference and my Terp friends are the ones butthurt about it. Although, having PSU, Ohio State, and Michigan on the yearly football schedule is great, they will NEVER win their division. The football situation makes it an easier pill to swallow for fans due to those top flight opponents.

In terms of fan interest it’s very similar to BC joining the ACC. Although, the Eagle football team just so happened to hit its apex after the move. BC came into the ACC with one of the best QB’s currently playing in the NFL, but fans of their basketball team definitely waned in interest due to lost Big East rivalries. The pill was able to be swallowed because UNC, Duke, and even Maryland were on the hoops menu.

Once again, these decisions are about generations from now not just the immediate results. Yes, the old school fans and alum rather see Maryland play UNC and Duke. As time goes by they will be just as thrilled playing MSU, Indiana and Wisconsin in basketball and even though they wont win their division in FB almost every year they will be playing the best of the best every year. Think Miss St cares that they play in a division with LSU, Bama and Auburn and have no chance at winning a division title 98% of the time? Nope.

Being in that division will down the road help bring in better recruits who now get to go to the big house and the horseshoe and happy valley.

I said they were happy with the football division, why are you battling ghosts?

Did you really just throw Wisconsin in there for basketball? Yikes. I don’t think they will be just as thrilled playing Indiana and MSU. But, let’s revisit this in 100 years.

So Wisconsin isn't a high level BBall program? Really?

No, Wisconsin is not on the same level as UNC, Duke, Indiana, and MSU. As a fan of wine and cheese, I appreciate their domestic contribution to that particular field of pleasure. 04-wine

Did I compare them to UNC and Duke? After those two they are just as good as anyone else in the ACC.
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(05-29-2019 12:53 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The only P-5 in worse shape than MD is Rutgers https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/2...748374002/


Most of Rutgers University’s athletic teams have been at the bottom of the pack in the Big Ten Conference in terms of wins — and a report released Friday states that the Rutgers athletic program also ranks last or near the bottom of the 12-team conference in financial performance.

To make matters worse, the report, commissioned by the university, shows that Rutgers won’t begin to receive a full distribution of shared revenue from the Big Ten until 2027. Until then, the amounts will be a small fraction of what the other conference athletic programs receive in revenue sharing.

Among the most striking aspects of the report is that a far larger percent of the athletic program’s revenue comes from the university and student fees, while the programs of other Big Ten and peer schools across the country are more self-sustaining, with far more revenue from such sources as ticket sales, fundraising and naming rights — a point that drew sharp criticism from the Rutgers faculty and graduate student union.


Rutgers President Robert Barchi’s “focus on athletics is costing Rutgers students 10 to 15 times more in fees than their peers across the country,” the union said in a statement.

The union called the report “damning,” since it “reveals how much money the university is losing on athletics.”

“Their plan robs from our educational mission, gouges our students and saddles them with greater debt to subsidize a mismanaged Athletics program,” said Deepa Kumar, president of the union that represents 7,700 Rutgers faculty and graduate students who teach. "We need to restore the balance, and re-prioritize the academic mission."


Rutgers said it commissioned the report to help the university develop a “comprehensive, multi-dimensional plan to reach competitiveness in a fiscally responsible manner.”


The report “provides independent confirmation of the challenges and opportunities before us as we continue the work of transforming Rutgers Athletics into a competitive program,” Director of Athletics Pat Hobbs said in a statement. “We will digest their findings, and develop and execute an action plan to exploit every identified opportunity.”


Rutgers hired Atlanta-based College Sports Solutions to conduct the study. According to its website, the company provides collegiate athletic consulting, strategies and solutions to universities and intercollegiate conferences.

“With the student-athlete experience as a primary focus, tremendous progress has already been made under Pat Hobbs,” Rutgers University Board of Governors member Greg Brown said in a statement. “Consulting with industry leaders … in a transparent manner to quantify opportunity furthers this progress.”


The study links Rutgers’ poor athletic performance in the conference to its low athletic budget and comparatively poor athletic facilities. Its four-year winning percentage in all sports is 26 percent, putting it last in the conference.

College Sports Solutions conducted interviews with Rutgers officials, student-athletes, coaches, campus student leaders, Big ten officials and others.

Among the comments it collected:

“The biggest challenge is getting the university on board with athletics."
“We thought we were better than we are going into the Big Ten. We were naïve, but there is resistance to admitting that now.”
“The early lack of success of Rutgers teams in the Big Ten has been a surprise to donors and alumni, a substantial disappointment.”
“Rutgers football and basketball teams must have a measure of success to kindle an emotional connection between athletics and all university constituencies.”
There was also a consistent theme that Rutgers had too many sports — to compete, it can’t sustain 24 sports.

To boost the Rutgers athletic program’s success, the report makes several suggestions:

Restructure the university’s internal and external debt and its current financial arrangement with the Big Ten Conference
Make additional improvements to facilities for student-athletes
Improve ticket sales efforts
Focus more on the annual fund to boost revenue
Pursue naming rights opportunities, especially in major competitive venues
Improve equipment and apparel contracts
Consider selling alcohol at games
“The report provides an insular narrative from high-level management calling for spending more money on a failed program offering the weak premise that they could start winning, gain popular support and maybe break even in nearly another decade,” said Mark Killingsworth, a Rutgers professor of labor economics.


The report “recommends even more spending, and even more raids on student fees and the academic budget,” said Killingsworth.

The Rutgers athletic budget ranks dead last among the 12 Big Ten schools. In fact, its fiscal 2019 budget is $93 million, less than half that of Ohio State, which has the top Big Ten athletic budget at $221 million, or Michigan, which ranks second at $185 million.

The Rutgers athletic program’s revenue from all sources is also near the bottom — 10th of 12 schools. Rutgers’ fiscal 2017 athletics program revenue was $97 million, compared with top-ranking Ohio State and Michigan at $185 million each.



Rutgers also ranked last in 2017 annual gift contributions, at $7 million, compared to Michigan and Ohio State, which generated $38 million each.

And Rutgers ticket sales ranked 11th of 12 schools, bringing in $13 million, compared with Ohio State’s $62 million.

As a result, Rutgers must subsidize the athletic program with university funds at a higher rate than its Big Ten competitors.


Compared with other Big Ten schools and similar peer institutions, a far larger share of Rutgers revenue for athletics is generated not by the athletics program itself but through the university’s own revenue sources, including student fees. Such non-athletic revenue sources contributed $33 million to the Rutgers athletic budget, including $12 million in student fees, which the report says “significantly exceeded that of both Big Ten and peer institutions.”

When Rutgers entered the conference in 2014, it agreed on receiving a revenue-sharing payment equal to what it would have received if it had remained in the American Athletic Conference — between $9 million and $10 million annually.

[b]In addition, the Big Ten advanced Rutgers an additional $48 million against future distributions. As a result, it won’t enjoy a full revenue-sharing disbursement from the conference until 2027, totaling $65.2 million.[/b]

In 2019, Rutgers is supposed to get $23.8 million from the Big Ten, compared with the full distribution of $50 million the other schools receive.

Staff Writer Hannan Adely contributed to this article.

Wow! Glad you're paying attention! It's almost like everyone knew this for years now!

Of course we are in the worst financial shape of the B1G, we aren't getting a full cut yet. That was part of the arrangement since we had the least leverage of any of the new members. I think Nebraska is finally getting a full share this year or it might have been last year.

You really seem to think that financials/on the field results right here and now are the end all be all evidence on how good a move has been. You also seem to think you're smarter than everyone involved in these decisions in the B1G and the two schools you harp on.

BTW if Maryland would have been better off in FB in the ACC than the B1G then whats that say about the ACC as a football conference? Yeah, take less money and play in a weaker conference! Thats how you do it! Oh and Len Bias? Really? I'm almost 40 and don't remember him dying so I doubt thats a big effect on todays boosters and donors.
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(05-28-2019 10:17 PM)Statefan Wrote:  In 2011 MD was $24 million behind the league leader FSU. Today they are 105 Million behind league leader Michigan and Ohio State. They are $40 to $60 million behind PSU, Wisky, Iowa, MSU, and Nebraska.

Looks like MD was not too bright.


Had Maryland elected to stay they would be at about $80 million today in the ACC - $40 million behind FSU, and $20 million behind Duke and UVa.


Of course as you have been told, MD did not leave for money, they left for spite and to further Kirwan's personal ambitions.

Get ND the hell out of there, they are partial members and don't participate in the FB side.

Also both Rutgers and Maryland aren't receiving a full share of B1G revenue yet. BTW Maryland cut a bunch of non revenue sports right before taking the B1G offer but they totally left for spite and not money right? Whatever helps you get to sleep at night and makes you believe UNC and UVA wouldn't leave you behind at the drop of a hat for a big pay raise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/ma...0b06d01298

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/co...0e986e524a

I think you are confusing two issues Rutgersguy. State is referring to teams not leaving due to the competitive inbalance the revenue disparity would put them out. You are pointing out that they are making more actual money now, which was a specific need Maryland had then and now, which is being alleviated in the short term due to the cash injection.

However what State is arguing is that the B10 believed their targets would not leave their current situation to get more money overall, BUT lose traction on their competition for the long term, a move than seemingly only MD would take, among their main targets.

I am not saying he is right or wrong, just that you are responding with statements about a claim eh is not making.
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(05-29-2019 02:59 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(05-28-2019 10:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(05-28-2019 10:17 PM)Statefan Wrote:  In 2011 MD was $24 million behind the league leader FSU. Today they are 105 Million behind league leader Michigan and Ohio State. They are $40 to $60 million behind PSU, Wisky, Iowa, MSU, and Nebraska.

Looks like MD was not too bright.


Had Maryland elected to stay they would be at about $80 million today in the ACC - $40 million behind FSU, and $20 million behind Duke and UVa.


Of course as you have been told, MD did not leave for money, they left for spite and to further Kirwan's personal ambitions.

Get ND the hell out of there, they are partial members and don't participate in the FB side.

Also both Rutgers and Maryland aren't receiving a full share of B1G revenue yet. BTW Maryland cut a bunch of non revenue sports right before taking the B1G offer but they totally left for spite and not money right? Whatever helps you get to sleep at night and makes you believe UNC and UVA wouldn't leave you behind at the drop of a hat for a big pay raise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/ma...0b06d01298

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/co...0e986e524a

I think you are confusing two issues Rutgersguy. State is referring to teams not leaving due to the competitive inbalance the revenue disparity would put them out. You are pointing out that they are making more actual money now, which was a specific need Maryland had then and now, which is being alleviated in the short term due to the cash injection.

However what State is arguing is that the B10 believed their targets would not leave their current situation to get more money overall, BUT lose traction on their competition for the long term, a move than seemingly only MD would take, among their main targets.

I am not saying he is right or wrong, just that you are responding with statements about a claim eh is not making.

But my point is it doesn't matter how much you're making less than the leaders of the conference when you don't have enough to operate at a normal level and start cutting non-revenue sports.

There is zero proof that no ACC team would ever leave because they would have no chance of something with OSU and UM.
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(05-29-2019 03:18 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  There is zero proof that no ACC team would ever leave because they would have no chance of something with OSU and UM.

Zero? I would say the B10 not even attempting to discuss a move with the top teams and/or the apparent top targets, is at least tangible evidence to suggest there otherwise.
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(05-29-2019 11:26 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Maryland is the biggest outlier of all the conference moves made by the P5 IMO.

ahem... west virginia
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(05-29-2019 11:26 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Maryland is the biggest outlier of all the conference moves made by the P5 IMO.

ahem... west virginia
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Weird how in that article about Rutgers in the Big Ten they keep referring to a 12-school conference. Even listing Rutgers as "10th of 12".
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