https://www.blackandgoldbanneret.com/kni...rence-team

Before any UCF fanatics complain, the is article written is from UCF sports site. Wondering the unwillingness to schedule 2-1 is having any unintended consequences? Definitely appears limiting future scheduling with "Top Known" P5 teams. IE: UF, FSU, MIAMI, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.

The problem with this is the top P5 are already scheduled out way ahead of UCF.


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UCF's attitude might get them passed over as a B12 replacement school. Personal interactions matter when you need approval from ADs and School Presidents.

Playing to the UCF faithful is fine in the short term for your "loyalty" perception, but it may have very negative long term consequences in future realignment. I suppose the current AD figures he'll be retired or elsewhere come 2024 or 2025. White is quite young, so I suppose he figures he'll step up to a P5 gig before then.

(05-22-2019 07:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  UCF's attitude might get them passed over as a B12 replacement school. Personal interactions matter when you need approval from ADs and School Presidents.

Playing to the UCF faithful is fine in the short term for your "loyalty" perception, but it may have very negative long term consequences in future realignment. I suppose the current AD figures he'll be retired or elsewhere come 2024 or 2025. White is quite young, so I suppose he figures he'll step up to a P5 gig before then.

If UCF gets a XII invite it's after the big dogs have left for other conferences. So I wouldn't be worried too much about blowing your horn when you got the spotlight on you.

Now thats not a shot at UCF, I just have little faith that the XII is going to stick together. One thing i've learned from following realignment for over 15 years is that you can always bet on greed to be a very powerful force.

Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

Boise is respected enough to get 1 for 1 games with P5 teams and benefits from the PAC 12’s disdain for OOC FCS games (although Wazzou manages to schedule and lose one at least every other year). For example, Boise played at UVA in 2015 and then UVA went to the Smurf Turf and whipped their asses in 2017. UCF hasn’t had the nearly two decades of consistent success like Boise and should be happy with what they can get. They are a whopping 1-2 at home the past several years against P5 teams (losses to Maryland and South Carolina, win over Pitt) and there is no real incentive to play them on even less than equal terms when you could schedule ECU, Tulane or UConn or USF for a guaranteed win without the pissant attitude. There is absolutely no reason why Miami, UF or FSU should deign to treat UCF as an equal and agree to home and homes straight up. Doing so diminishes their cache and gives UCF unearned and unjustified prestige. Perhaps they can convince Auburn to play them again if they add a third Chick Fil A kickoff game in the ATL.

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

Yep. That's how you get those 1 for 1 games is to go to the big boy's turf and hit him in the mouth. Respect is earned, not given, and UCF's body of work isn't enough to merit a 1 for 1, given their somewhat spotty history pre-Scott Frost. These things take time and a lot of wins.

Not to mention, checking UCF's schedule, within the next 4 seasons, they get Stanford, North Carolina, Louisville, and Georgia Tech at home. They should probably just be quiet since their schedule's perfectly fine as it is. Those dates could easily turn to Bethune-Cookman and Alabama A&M if an AD gets annoyed and decides to rip up the scheduling agreement.

But wait, they are National Cha, ooops, never mind.


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Honestly, I think a G5 team is smart to schedule a bunch of OOC cupcakes and go 12-0 for multiple years. Worked for quite a few schools.

(05-22-2019 06:41 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Before any UCF fanatics complain, the is article written is from UCF sports site. Wondering the unwillingness to schedule 2-1 is having any unintended consequences? Definitely appears limiting future scheduling with "Top Known" P5 teams. IE: UF, FSU, MIAMI, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.

It's true: If you are UCF or USF, you can schedule 1-1 with the lower-end P5, like Illinois or Georgia Tech. And occasionally with a 'name' P5 like a Wisconsin or Stanford if that school wants to give its team and alumni a trip to the beach in October or November and do some recruiting.

But by and large, if you are a G5 of any kind, UCF included, you will only be able to do 1-1 with the kinds of P5 that will NOT boost your SOS or your national profile.

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

My mom told me when I was looking for a job that I need to "hit the bricks and go knock on some doors" because that's the way she did it back in the day and it worked then. Unfortunately this is the modern era and I got laughed out of offices.

But i'm sure what worked for FSU in the 70s will work for UCF in almost 2020. As we all know, college football is exactly the same as back then.

I think most posters here are missing the point.

This isn't about UCF being scared or only wanting home/homes. UCF never really had a problem scheduling home/homes (for example SC, Stanford, GT, UNC, Texas) until very recently. Can anyone think of anything that's happened recently that might have scared away potential P5 opponents?

(05-22-2019 10:31 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

Yep. That's how you get those 1 for 1 games is to go to the big boy's turf and hit him in the mouth. Respect is earned, not given, and UCF's body of work isn't enough to merit a 1 for 1, given their somewhat spotty history pre-Scott Frost. These things take time and a lot of wins.

Not to mention, checking UCF's schedule, within the next 4 seasons, they get Stanford, North Carolina, Louisville, and Georgia Tech at home. They should probably just be quiet since their schedule's perfectly fine as it is. Those dates could easily turn to Bethune-Cookman and Alabama A&M if an AD gets annoyed and decides to rip up the scheduling agreement.

So in the first paragraph you say UCF hasn't earned the right to demand scheduling equality, but in the second it's apparent that we have gotten scheduling equality? What's your point?

And if a school want's to spend money to cancel a series because our AD is boisterous, well we're happy to take it.

As an aside, why don't you compare UCF's P5 road history versus Boise's since we've become D1. The results will surprise you.

(05-23-2019 08:46 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I think most posters here are missing the point.

This isn't about UCF being scared or only wanting home/homes. UCF never really had a problem scheduling home/homes (for example SC, Stanford, GT, UNC, Texas) until very recently. Can anyone think of anything that's happened recently that might have scared away potential P5 opponents?

I was at both USC games when we played. I wasn't expecting it, but the upper deck bounces when Sandman plays. It was surreal, especially considering the upper deck is rebar and concrete.

(05-23-2019 08:48 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 08:46 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I think most posters here are missing the point.

This isn't about UCF being scared or only wanting home/homes. UCF never really had a problem scheduling home/homes (for example SC, Stanford, GT, UNC, Texas) until very recently. Can anyone think of anything that's happened recently that might have scared away potential P5 opponents?

I was at both USC games when we played. I wasn't expecting it, but the upper deck bounces when Sandman plays. It was surreal, especially considering the upper deck is rebar and concrete.

I went to UCF in 2013 as well and experienced pretty much the same thing. Was a bit shocked at how loud the Bounce House got.

(05-22-2019 10:11 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  Boise is respected enough to get 1 for 1 games with P5 teams and benefits from the PAC 12’s disdain for OOC FCS games (although Wazzou manages to schedule and lose one at least every other year). For example, Boise played at UVA in 2015 and then UVA went to the Smurf Turf and whipped their asses in 2017. UCF hasn’t had the nearly two decades of consistent success like Boise and should be happy with what they can get. They are a whopping 1-2 at home the past several years against P5 teams (losses to Maryland and South Carolina, win over Pitt) and there is no real incentive to play them on even less than equal terms when you could schedule ECU, Tulane or UConn or USF for a guaranteed win without the pissant attitude. There is absolutely no reason why Miami, UF or FSU should deign to treat UCF as an equal and agree to home and homes straight up. Doing so diminishes their cache and gives UCF unearned and unjustified prestige. Perhaps they can convince Auburn to play them again if they add a third Chick Fil A kickoff game in the ATL.

Have you actually looked at USF's record vs. power programs as a member of AAC? Apparently not.

HINT: USF wins at a greater than 50% clip vs. so called power conference teams.

From the article "Ten have 40% or less locked in: UCF, UConn, SMU, TCU, Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Utah State, San Jose State, Nevada and Fresno State."

I think it is a little worse than it looks for UCF. SMU and TCU look much worse than they should because their annual game is not "officially" scheduled after 2019. It is all but agreed that the game will continue on an annual basis in the future. At that point TCU will have a P5 every year, and a G5 (SMU) every year, and a random FCS every year. At that point, their schedule is filled out.

UCF can not really schedule UConn or SMU as a non-conference game. Scheduling games against Utah State, SJSU, Nevada, or Fresno State does not really do all that much for the schedule.

With all of the major H-H series being agreed to by P5 schools recently, UCF is clearly running out of time to get there 2020s non-conference figured out. Here is an article on CBS (https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...hedules/):

"That's where Dave Brown comes in. The 60-year-old former ESPN programming executive has software on his laptop that contains every schedule -- and every opening -- for decades to come. As the most noted contractor in the college scheduling space, Brown is the president of GRIDIRON out of Austin, Texas. Teams come to him almost exclusively to arrange big games.

"If [schools] don't have something [scheduled in the nonconference] for '27, '28, or '29, boy, we'd better start looking," Brown said. "There's not a lot out there.""

I think Danny White has done a great job as the AD of UCF. He has clearly increased the profile of UCF in multiple sports, but his scheduling philosophy of H-H only could really backfire in terms of continuing the weak SoS UCF has had recently and preventing the program from playing against some really fun and interesting football programs.

(05-23-2019 09:25 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 10:11 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  Boise is respected enough to get 1 for 1 games with P5 teams and benefits from the PAC 12’s disdain for OOC FCS games (although Wazzou manages to schedule and lose one at least every other year). For example, Boise played at UVA in 2015 and then UVA went to the Smurf Turf and whipped their asses in 2017. UCF hasn’t had the nearly two decades of consistent success like Boise and should be happy with what they can get. They are a whopping 1-2 at home the past several years against P5 teams (losses to Maryland and South Carolina, win over Pitt) and there is no real incentive to play them on even less than equal terms when you could schedule ECU, Tulane or UConn or USF for a guaranteed win without the pissant attitude. There is absolutely no reason why Miami, UF or FSU should deign to treat UCF as an equal and agree to home and homes straight up. Doing so diminishes their cache and gives UCF unearned and unjustified prestige. Perhaps they can convince Auburn to play them again if they add a third Chick Fil A kickoff game in the ATL.

Have you actually looked at USF's record vs. power programs as a member of AAC? Apparently not.

HINT: USF wins at a greater than 50% clip vs. so called power conference teams.

Well, not quite. We are 7-8 vs P5 teams since 2013.

But we are on a roll. We started 0-7 against P5 teams, and have gone 7-1 since then, so the momentum is in our favor. We have won 5 games in a row vs P5, and we are 2-0 in bowl games.

USF record vs P5 teams since the first season of the AAC:

Losses

MSU (2013)
Miami (2013)
Maryland (2014)
NC State (2014)
Wisconsin (2014)
FSU (2015)
Maryland (2015)
FSU (2016)

Wins

Syracuse (2015)
Syracuse (2016)
South Carolina (2016 - bowl)
Illinois (2017)
Texas Tech (2017 - bowl)
Georgia Tech (2018)
Illinois (2018)

(05-23-2019 09:44 AM)MAcFroggy Wrote:  "That's where Dave Brown comes in. The 60-year-old former ESPN programming executive has software on his laptop that contains every schedule -- and every opening -- for decades to come. .

This line killed me - so he knows how to look up games on FBschedules.com?

(05-23-2019 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 09:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Schools like FSU, Boise and others made a name for themselves by going on the road with a “anyone anywhere” philosophy. Acting like you’re suddenly too good and too elite to do that and expect Ohio State to come play at your 40k stadium may have unintended consequences

My mom told me when I was looking for a job that I need to "hit the bricks and go knock on some doors" because that's the way she did it back in the day and it worked then. Unfortunately this is the modern era and I got laughed out of offices.

But i'm sure what worked for FSU in the 70s will work for UCF in almost 2020. As we all know, college football is exactly the same as back then.

If you have an impressive resume you wouldn’t get laughed out the door by everyone. That I can guarantee.