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(04-16-2019 02:47 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Why can't E Michigan basketball get top notch freshman talent? Ohio U just got Ben Roderick to sign! A finalist for Mr basketball in Ohio! His senior stats were 28 PPG and 8 RBS! We've no one who can score like this on our entire team! Remember Ohio U just fired there coach...…..We don't recruit the best, or compete for the best high school talent! Other then JT IV, who's the last freshman who committed to us with 5 or more D1 offers? JT IV was the best true freshman in the past 40 years, and Murphy wasted his talents with chuck it up Paul Jackson, and super chuck it up Willie Mangum! Both players took 15 to 17 shots a game, and shot 37 percent from the field! JT IV should've left as E Mich all time leading scorer!

From what i read is seemed OSU was his 1st choice and Ohio his second. He is from the Columbus area and Jeff Boals is a former OSU ass't coach...

I don't find this commit all that surprising. Good MAC prospect.

https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2019/4...commitment
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(04-16-2019 02:47 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Why can't E Michigan basketball get top notch freshman talent? Ohio U just got Ben Roderick to sign! A finalist for Mr basketball in Ohio! His senior stats were 28 PPG and 8 RBS! We've no one who can score like this on our entire team! Remember Ohio U just fired there coach...…..We don't recruit the best, or compete for the best high school talent! Other then JT IV, who's the last freshman who committed to us with 5 or more D1 offers? JT IV was the best true freshman in the past 40 years, and Murphy wasted his talents with chuck it up Paul Jackson, and super chuck it up Willie Mangum! Both players took 15 to 17 shots a game, and shot 37 percent from the field! JT IV should've left as E Mich all time leading scorer!

From what i read is seemed OSU was his 1st choice and Ohio his second. He is from the Columbus area and Jeff Boals is a former OSU ass't coach...

I don't find this commit all that surprising. Good MAC prospect.

https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2019/4...commitment
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(04-17-2019 11:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 02:47 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Why can't E Michigan basketball get top notch freshman talent? Ohio U just got Ben Roderick to sign! A finalist for Mr basketball in Ohio! His senior stats were 28 PPG and 8 RBS! We've no one who can score like this on our entire team! Remember Ohio U just fired there coach...…..We don't recruit the best, or compete for the best high school talent! Other then JT IV, who's the last freshman who committed to us with 5 or more D1 offers? JT IV was the best true freshman in the past 40 years, and Murphy wasted his talents with chuck it up Paul Jackson, and super chuck it up Willie Mangum! Both players took 15 to 17 shots a game, and shot 37 percent from the field! JT IV should've left as E Mich all time leading scorer!

From what i read is seemed OSU was his 1st choice and Ohio his second. He is from the Columbus area and Jeff Boals is a former OSU ass't coach...

I don't find this commit all that surprising. Good MAC prospect.

https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2019/4...commitment
EMU Steve, I've been following your knowledge of E Mich for years, and have appreciated all you do on this board! Can you imagine a top 5 kid from the state of Michigan who was offered by Michigan, or Michigan St deciding to come to EMU? Why we don't even recruit them! Jerry Weaver, WoodenNickle I also have appreciated all of your insight as well! I'm sure I've forgotten to mention a few! I forwarded A link to the entire E Michigan basketball staff about a kid named Jayvon Garcia who won the player of the year in the OCC, it's by far the top league in the Columbus area, and he has multiple D1 offers, 5 MAC schools, and we've not offered him! Nick Ward played in the OCC to give everyone how good the league is...…..This year they've 15 D1 players, and E Mich has offered ZERO! Garcia is a senior and still hasn't committed yet! Ben Roderick played at a OCC school as well!
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Trent Brown commits to Southern Illinois
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(04-16-2019 09:04 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 08:38 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 07:28 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 02:47 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Why can't E Michigan basketball get top notch freshman talent? Ohio U just got Ben Roderick to sign! A finalist for Mr basketball in Ohio! His senior stats were 28 PPG and 8 RBS! We've no one who can score like this on our entire team! Remember Ohio U just fired there coach...…..We don't recruit the best, or compete for the best high school talent! Other then JT IV, who's the last freshman who committed to us with 5 or more D1 offers? JT IV was the best true freshman in the past 40 years, and Murphy wasted his talents with chuck it up Paul Jackson, and super chuck it up Willie Mangum! Both players took 15 to 17 shots a game, and shot 37 percent from the field! JT IV should've left as E Mich all time leading scorer!

Glory Days, would you as a high school coach recommend a prospect go to EMU to play for Murphy? You are correct, JT4 was great as a freshman and never got a whole lot better. Same with Ray Lee. Two years ago Rob went high school and got a less than prized recruiting class of Ballard, Ellison, King, Silver, Jones and McAdoo.

He is what he is. Jackson and Mangum would have been recruiting victories for the prior two coaches and produced a .500 MAC record that both would have also envied. Rob Murphy does not develop talent, he recruits it.
Jerry, I agree with your assessment of Murphy on every area mentioned, but why for the last 15 to 20 years do we seem to not have a shot at top 5 player in a midwestern state! Bowling Green got the two brothers one will be a junior, and the other one will be a freshman, and both are from Detroit...…..E Mich doesn't even offer them either! I'm talking about a 1st team all state player from class A school! Last one was Theron Wilson I believe!
Murphy focuses on JUCOs. So did Ramsey. I knew the father of a recruit back when Ramsey was at EMU and the word was out that Ramsey wasn't really interested in HS kids. Too many years of going for the quick fix.

Hopefully the coach we get next year doesn't take this lazy approach.

Nickle you are dead on here once again.
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I would challenge the notion that Ramsey loved JC guys.
Y1 - 6 Freshmen, 1 JC
Y2 - 4 Freshmen, 3 JC
Y3 - 3 Freshmen, 1 JC
Y4 - 4 Freshmen, 0 JC
Y5 - 3 Freshmen, 2 JC
Y6 - 0 Freshmen, 3 JC

The assertion that Murph focuses on JUCO guys doesn't hold up either. Less than 10 in eight years if you remove guys who played D1 before they played at a JUCO.
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(04-29-2019 10:30 AM)KPJ Wrote:  I would challenge the notion that Ramsey loved JC guys.
Y1 - 6 Freshmen, 1 JC
Y2 - 4 Freshmen, 3 JC
Y3 - 3 Freshmen, 1 JC
Y4 - 4 Freshmen, 0 JC
Y5 - 3 Freshmen, 2 JC
Y6 - 0 Freshmen, 3 JC

The assertion that Murph focuses on JUCO guys doesn't hold up either. Less than 10 in eight years if you remove guys who played D1 before they played at a JUCO.

14 recruits in his first two years! oh my goodness. the post-Boone cupboard was bare.
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(04-16-2019 08:38 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 07:28 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 02:47 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Why can't E Michigan basketball get top notch freshman talent? Ohio U just got Ben Roderick to sign! A finalist for Mr basketball in Ohio! His senior stats were 28 PPG and 8 RBS! We've no one who can score like this on our entire team! Remember Ohio U just fired there coach...…..We don't recruit the best, or compete for the best high school talent! Other then JT IV, who's the last freshman who committed to us with 5 or more D1 offers? JT IV was the best true freshman in the past 40 years, and Murphy wasted his talents with chuck it up Paul Jackson, and super chuck it up Willie Mangum! Both players took 15 to 17 shots a game, and shot 37 percent from the field! JT IV should've left as E Mich all time leading scorer!

Glory Days, would you as a high school coach recommend a prospect go to EMU to play for Murphy? You are correct, JT4 was great as a freshman and never got a whole lot better. Same with Ray Lee. Two years ago Rob went high school and got a less than prized recruiting class of Ballard, Ellison, King, Silver, Jones and McAdoo.

He is what he is. Jackson and Mangum would have been recruiting victories for the prior two coaches and produced a .500 MAC record that both would have also envied. Rob Murphy does not develop talent, he recruits it.
Jerry, I agree with your assessment of Murphy on every area mentioned, but why for the last 15 to 20 years do we seem to not have a shot at top 5 player in a midwestern state! Bowling Green got the two brothers one will be a junior, and the other one will be a freshman, and both are from Detroit...…..E Mich doesn't even offer them either! I'm talking about a 1st team all state player from class A school! Last one was Theron Wilson I believe!

I'm not sure I agree. I was out in MI a couple times and one assistant coach was at the Westland John Glenn trying to get a big man.

Next time Murphy was at River Rouge when they had signed Stone. Izzo and Murphy was at the game. Izzo was watching Davis.

The first one was crazy. I got to the game late and was standing by one of the end lines. I looked up and bingo there was an EMU asst coach. He was recruiting the big guy for us. (forgot his name but he ended up going to Georgia).

EDIT: It was Mike Edwards who Georgia scooped up late as a "Plan B" recruit and he had a very mediocre career at Georgia. We ended up signing our big man that summer. It was JT4.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ke-edwards
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(04-16-2019 09:04 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 08:38 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 07:28 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-16-2019 02:47 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  Why can't E Michigan basketball get top notch freshman talent? Ohio U just got Ben Roderick to sign! A finalist for Mr basketball in Ohio! His senior stats were 28 PPG and 8 RBS! We've no one who can score like this on our entire team! Remember Ohio U just fired there coach...…..We don't recruit the best, or compete for the best high school talent! Other then JT IV, who's the last freshman who committed to us with 5 or more D1 offers? JT IV was the best true freshman in the past 40 years, and Murphy wasted his talents with chuck it up Paul Jackson, and super chuck it up Willie Mangum! Both players took 15 to 17 shots a game, and shot 37 percent from the field! JT IV should've left as E Mich all time leading scorer!

Glory Days, would you as a high school coach recommend a prospect go to EMU to play for Murphy? You are correct, JT4 was great as a freshman and never got a whole lot better. Same with Ray Lee. Two years ago Rob went high school and got a less than prized recruiting class of Ballard, Ellison, King, Silver, Jones and McAdoo.

He is what he is. Jackson and Mangum would have been recruiting victories for the prior two coaches and produced a .500 MAC record that both would have also envied. Rob Murphy does not develop talent, he recruits it.
Jerry, I agree with your assessment of Murphy on every area mentioned, but why for the last 15 to 20 years do we seem to not have a shot at top 5 player in a midwestern state! Bowling Green got the two brothers one will be a junior, and the other one will be a freshman, and both are from Detroit...…..E Mich doesn't even offer them either! I'm talking about a 1st team all state player from class A school! Last one was Theron Wilson I believe!
Murphy focuses on JUCOs. So did Ramsey. I knew the father of a recruit back when Ramsey was at EMU and the word was out that Ramsey wasn't really interested in HS kids. Too many years of going for the quick fix.

Hopefully the coach we get next year doesn't take this lazy approach.

I think mid-major coaches adapt each year to what their roster looks like.

When we had a deep roster of rising JUNIORS, Murphy went heavy for frosh. I count five true frosh (Ellison, McAdoo, King, Jones and Silver).

Now with a depleted roster because of graduations and many of these frosh did not pan out, Murphy NEEDS JUCOs, otherwise a total rebuild and teams don't do that much any more. They opt for JUCOs, grad transfers, etc.

I think recruiting is like being out on the dance floor. Listen for the music and then dance according. Okay to go for a lot of h.s. frosh if you have a deep, experienced team. Otherwise, go JUCO.
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Christian James 6'2 PG signed, see article 3rd team California and MVP of his league.

https://www.calhisports.com/2019/04/26/b...-3rd-2019/

G ­- Christian James (St. John Bosco, Bellflower) 6-2 Sr.
On the elite teams, we are favoring players off teams that number one, played in the state open division, and secondly, the D1 regional because those teams are far superior to the other divisions in terms of high-level games. Even breaking it down further, when we started considering players from the Trinity League for third team such as Orange Lutheran’s Makur Maker, Santa Margarita’s Max Agbonkpolo and Mater Dei’s Devin Askew, we realize the league MVP deserves a spot and James is that player. He was named the Trinity League’s MVP after stepping up big when Pacific-bound Jonathan Salazar went down for the season with injury in late December. The all-CIFSS Open Division choice averaged 14.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.7 spg for the Trinity League co-champions. James not only was a statistical leader, he was a floor leader on offense and play-maker on defense for a team that suffered through injuries and lineup changes and still ranked No. 13 in the state with a 22-10 mark.
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(05-13-2019 04:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Christian James 6'2 PG signed, see article 3rd team California and MVP of his league.

https://www.calhisports.com/2019/04/26/b...-3rd-2019/

G ­- Christian James (St. John Bosco, Bellflower) 6-2 Sr.
On the elite teams, we are favoring players off teams that number one, played in the state open division, and secondly, the D1 regional because those teams are far superior to the other divisions in terms of high-level games. Even breaking it down further, when we started considering players from the Trinity League for third team such as Orange Lutheran’s Makur Maker, Santa Margarita’s Max Agbonkpolo and Mater Dei’s Devin Askew, we realize the league MVP deserves a spot and James is that player. He was named the Trinity League’s MVP after stepping up big when Pacific-bound Jonathan Salazar went down for the season with injury in late December. The all-CIFSS Open Division choice averaged 14.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.7 spg for the Trinity League co-champions. James not only was a statistical leader, he was a floor leader on offense and play-maker on defense for a team that suffered through injuries and lineup changes and still ranked No. 13 in the state with a 22-10 mark.
Not much to be found when Googling this kid.
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(05-13-2019 09:33 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 04:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Christian James 6'2 PG signed, see article 3rd team California and MVP of his league.

https://www.calhisports.com/2019/04/26/b...-3rd-2019/

G ­- Christian James (St. John Bosco, Bellflower) 6-2 Sr.
On the elite teams, we are favoring players off teams that number one, played in the state open division, and secondly, the D1 regional because those teams are far superior to the other divisions in terms of high-level games. Even breaking it down further, when we started considering players from the Trinity League for third team such as Orange Lutheran’s Makur Maker, Santa Margarita’s Max Agbonkpolo and Mater Dei’s Devin Askew, we realize the league MVP deserves a spot and James is that player. He was named the Trinity League’s MVP after stepping up big when Pacific-bound Jonathan Salazar went down for the season with injury in late December. The all-CIFSS Open Division choice averaged 14.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.7 spg for the Trinity League co-champions. James not only was a statistical leader, he was a floor leader on offense and play-maker on defense for a team that suffered through injuries and lineup changes and still ranked No. 13 in the state with a 22-10 mark.
Not much to be found when Googling this kid.
The only thing I can say is the high school he played at is a powerhouse in football and basketball! Great competition! I can't find much either! Maybe, A TRUE PG finally!
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(05-13-2019 02:33 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 09:33 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(05-13-2019 04:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Christian James 6'2 PG signed, see article 3rd team California and MVP of his league.

https://www.calhisports.com/2019/04/26/b...-3rd-2019/

G ­- Christian James (St. John Bosco, Bellflower) 6-2 Sr.
On the elite teams, we are favoring players off teams that number one, played in the state open division, and secondly, the D1 regional because those teams are far superior to the other divisions in terms of high-level games. Even breaking it down further, when we started considering players from the Trinity League for third team such as Orange Lutheran’s Makur Maker, Santa Margarita’s Max Agbonkpolo and Mater Dei’s Devin Askew, we realize the league MVP deserves a spot and James is that player. He was named the Trinity League’s MVP after stepping up big when Pacific-bound Jonathan Salazar went down for the season with injury in late December. The all-CIFSS Open Division choice averaged 14.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.7 spg for the Trinity League co-champions. James not only was a statistical leader, he was a floor leader on offense and play-maker on defense for a team that suffered through injuries and lineup changes and still ranked No. 13 in the state with a 22-10 mark.
Not much to be found when Googling this kid.
The only thing I can say is the high school he played at is a powerhouse in football and basketball! Great competition! I can't find much either! Maybe, A TRUE PG finally!

https://www.bosco.org/athletics/teams-pages/basketball
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Scored 25 against power house Mater Dei h.s.

https://www.presstelegram.com/2019/01/18...mater-dei/
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(05-13-2019 02:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Scored 25 against power house Mater Dei h.s.

https://www.presstelegram.com/2019/01/18...mater-dei/
No disrespect to him, he seems like a solid player and a good young man, but it's a head-scratcher why Murphy goes after a HS PG from CA when there seem to be solid options available in MI. I think there's only one scholarship player from Michigan on the roster. Unbelievable. Get ready for our pathetic attendance to get even smaller.
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Why would they want to come here? He has to trick kids from out of state who don’t know the insanity that is Murphyball.


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We have debated Murphy's instate recruiting since he's been here. Many top notch area players go out of state and that's true of high school players too who head out to various prep schools. Chris Creighton has been a far more successful coach than Murphy has a new $20 million facility and he is STILL struggling to recruit in state kids. Go to WMU or CMU rosters or U of D's and see how many instate kids they have or how many instate kids they have in their 2020 class. Murphy did recruit instate the year he got Ellison, Green and Macdoo. Ellison and Green didn't pan out as much as hoped. All things being equal I would take a third team California all state player with the quality of competition he's played vs a third team all state Michigan player. Green by the way was a Div II JUCO player, I have noticed that all are juco recruits so far this year are Div I JUCO players I believe.

Lets look at instate point guard Julian Dozier 5'9 who has offers from Oakland, us and U of D and an All City pick. He hasn't signed with anyone and we needed a PG. I assume there may be some issues which is why he isn't signed. We have tried shorter PGs like Stone and Ellison with the hopes of finding the next Earl Boykins. Both instate. It didn't work. The two signed PGs are 6'3, 6'2 which again gives us more length at the top of the zone. Really at this point in the recruiting cycle we are looking at "reaches" and taking some risks. Its too bad Macdoo didn't stay.
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