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Stewart Mandel 03-lmfao Cat-Man, nothing personal, but can we please find a REAL column? 03-lmfao This is the guy who still calls UC football a "peasant".

Like Superfly says, I'll pass...
 
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X1000 SuperFlyBCat... Stewart Mandel is a moron. Anyone who knew the guy here locally would tell you that. He's an arrogant hater who think he's knows everything. Nothing more. You will NEVER see him say anything remotely objective towards UC. It will always be slanted in a negative light.
 
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Finally, someone who gets it. Andrea Adelson in this video says it how it is - Tuberville is doing what he thinks is right as far as recruiting for HIS team is concerned. He was high profile hire so people are picking on him. If Stewart Mandel or others don't realize that this is done by every coach during a transition, he is not the journalist or editorialist educated on a subject that he thinks he is.

It's time to drop this subject. So the answer is Yes - Tuberville is an unfair target. We need more people like Andrea Adelson to say it. Though I don't always agree with her, at least she looks into a subject before giving an opinion. Many others are looking at the story only from the student's perspective. And I can see that perspective. But Tuberville is playing by the rules. It would probably benefit all if the rules were changed.
 
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The fact that Mandel has passed off crap in his article (the friday night Lubbock recruit dinner tale) as true that's already been show to be patently false a month ago tells me the guy is FOS and has some sort of agenda. Zero credibility.
 
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Sorry guys, I had no idea. Don't follow Mandel and don't know anything about him. I guess I should have known better when I copied the SI.com post from Lance (Mr. I'll post anything negative just to get a reaction) McCalister's board.

I know better than that. 04-chairshot
 
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I wonder why CTT caught so much flak, when Bielema actually told him Arkansas would honor his commitment before later revoking it:

Cogswell saga

Quote: Tyler Cogswell's saga shows double-standard of recruiting
Loyal to Arkansas through the school's most trying year, a new coach throws the American Hertiage QB out
December 24, 2012|By Dieter Kurtenbach, Sun Sentinel

American Heritage-Plantation quarterback Tyler Cogswell thought the worst was over.

The Arkansas commit stayed firmly committed to the school, even as the head coach of the Razorbacks, Bobby Petrino, was caught in a web of lies that made him the laughingstock of college football.

Cogswell was proud to be a future Razorback even as the Hogs dropped from their preseason Top-10 ranking to the bottom of the SEC.

Cogswell stood firm in his choice of Arkansas, even when the man that recruited him, offensive coordinator Paul Petrino fled the program, taking the head coaching job at Idaho after seeing the writing on the wall that he wasn't going to be welcome in Fayetteville in 2013.

Cogswell held his commitment when the new Razorbacks head coach, Brett Bielema, freshly imported from Wisconsin, rang up the commitments of the old tenure to tell them of the new direction of the program. Cogswell wanted to be part of that new era of Arkansas football — he was told he would be a part of it.

The six-foot-five, 225 pound, consensus three-star quarterback had plenty of opportunities to drop his Arkansas commitment and look elsewhere. He eschewed offers from other top-notch schools, knowing that Arkansas was the place for him.

So last Wednesday, when Cogswell was told by Bielema that Arkansas had revoked his scholarship offer, Cogswell was blindsided, hurt and lost.

The recruiting quiet period means that he'll have weeks before other teams' coaches can even contact him. The schools that he kept in touch with, his plans B, C, and D? They're done signing quarterbacks. It's a dead end for Cogswell, who will have to start his recruiting process over when recruiting begins again, going for less than a month after the BCS National Championship Game.

Where to begin? Cogswell can't really tell you. He's formulating a list of schools who need a quarterback, hoping his résumé — it's a good one, his composite rating from the major scout services make him the fourth-best quarterback in the state of Florida and one of the top pocket-passers in the country — can start a conversation and entice them.

Right now, with the phone lines quiet, there's a bit of panic for Cogswell. He doesn't have any options, and while surely he will receive calls the second the quiet period ends, the situation is terribly unfair to a kid whose only crime was being too loyal.

There's a double-standard in recruiting. In the age of information, when everyone has an opinion and shows no restraint in sharing it with the world, criticism falls upon high school prospects and a despicable rate. One of the worst crimes a recruit can commit is to break a recruitment from a school — in the eyes of the fans, it's treason.

But if a school is to break the commitment to a prospect, despite offering him a scholarship and agreeing to honor it after he commits to the program? Well, they must have had a good reason.

It will work out for Cogswell, he's too talented a quarterback to not have schools line up to sign him, but the stress incurred by the disloyalty of Arkansas was unnecessary and unfair.

The reasoning behind Bielema dropping Cogswell is rationalized as "it's a business." His job is to win football games, and he needs to make decisions that he believes will bring that desired outcome.

But it's not a business for Cogswell, it's his life, and it's been turned upside down. The NCAA has stated time and time again that student-athletes commit to a school, not a coach. It's about time that the NCAA starts holding the coaches to the same standards as athletes.
 
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I think the football gods are pissed that UC actually lured a coach away from a BCS school and so they are creating this bad karma around TT and our football program in general....
 
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(02-01-2013 09:14 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think the football gods are pissed that UC actually lured a coach away from a BCS school and so they are creating this bad karma around TT and our football program in general....

You're right. Along with the football gods it doesn't fit the narrative of the media experts; specifically that UC has a nice little program where MAC coaches go to prepare for "big" BCS jobs.
 
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I can't say how proud and excited I am about what UC football has done/is doing....taking a step back: we came into the Big East and in a number of years with different coaches basically "took over" to some degree or another. Impressive.

Now...we are left for dead and people figure "ok, back to mediocrity/mid major for UC" and what do we do? We hire Tuberville away from Tech and announce a 70-80 million dollar upgrade/expansion to Nippert. Basically UC just said the train is moving forward regardless of conference, regardless of what the pundits think/say, etc. Love that.

Go Cats!
 
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(02-01-2013 09:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I can't say how proud and excited I am about what UC football has done/is doing....taking a step back: we came into the Big East and in a number of years with different coaches basically "took over" to some degree or another. Impressive.

Now...we are left for dead and people figure "ok, back to mediocrity/mid major for UC" and what do we do? We hire Tuberville away from Tech and announce a 70-80 million dollar upgrade/expansion to Nippert. Basically UC just said the train is moving forward regardless of conference, regardless of what the pundits think/say, etc. Love that.

Go Cats!

Good post and to add onto that the perception of UC is changing rapidly. While some scoff at the Bearcats hiring a coach from the Big XII the common thought within college football is that Cincinnati is a very difficult team to beat on any given day. There's a national respect and admiration for Bearcats football that hasn't existed for years, if ever.
 
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(02-01-2013 09:32 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  
(02-01-2013 09:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I can't say how proud and excited I am about what UC football has done/is doing....taking a step back: we came into the Big East and in a number of years with different coaches basically "took over" to some degree or another. Impressive.

Now...we are left for dead and people figure "ok, back to mediocrity/mid major for UC" and what do we do? We hire Tuberville away from Tech and announce a 70-80 million dollar upgrade/expansion to Nippert. Basically UC just said the train is moving forward regardless of conference, regardless of what the pundits think/say, etc. Love that.

Go Cats!

Good post and to add onto that the perception of UC is changing rapidly. While some scoff at the Bearcats hiring a coach from the Big XII the common thought within college football is that Cincinnati is a very difficult team to beat on any given day. There's a national respect and admiration for Bearcats football that hasn't existed for years, if ever.

agree here...our football team perception wise is where our bball team was when Huggs first got it going: people would say "they can beat anybody any given game". That was what people thought of UC at the onset of Huggs time and I think our football team is there right now nationally.
 
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(02-01-2013 09:14 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think the football gods are pissed that UC actually lured a coach away from a BCS school and so they are creating this bad karma around TT and our football program in general....

I would rephrase and replace "gods" with "media." The media would like to believe they are gods, however far from it.
 
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(02-01-2013 09:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I can't say how proud and excited I am about what UC football has done/is doing....taking a step back: we came into the Big East and in a number of years with different coaches basically "took over" to some degree or another. Impressive.

Now...we are left for dead and people figure "ok, back to mediocrity/mid major for UC" and what do we do? We hire Tuberville away from Tech and announce a 70-80 million dollar upgrade/expansion to Nippert. Basically UC just said the train is moving forward regardless of conference, regardless of what the pundits think/say, etc. Love that.

Go Cats!

Rob Franxman and Duane loved Tommy Tuberville just as much as you did, #1. I'm just flooded with memories of Duane these days.
 
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(05-04-2019 12:24 AM)geef Wrote:  
(02-01-2013 09:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I can't say how proud and excited I am about what UC football has done/is doing....taking a step back: we came into the Big East and in a number of years with different coaches basically "took over" to some degree or another. Impressive.

Now...we are left for dead and people figure "ok, back to mediocrity/mid major for UC" and what do we do? We hire Tuberville away from Tech and announce a 70-80 million dollar upgrade/expansion to Nippert. Basically UC just said the train is moving forward regardless of conference, regardless of what the pundits think/say, etc. Love that.

Go Cats!

Rob Franxman and Duane loved Tommy Tuberville just as much as you did, #1. I'm just flooded with memories of Duane these days.

I was excited to get Tubberville and figured the Tech fans were sour grapes. Then we all saw why the Tech fans were happy.

NOTE TO UCLA FANS :-)
 
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(05-04-2019 07:08 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-04-2019 12:24 AM)geef Wrote:  
(02-01-2013 09:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I can't say how proud and excited I am about what UC football has done/is doing....taking a step back: we came into the Big East and in a number of years with different coaches basically "took over" to some degree or another. Impressive.

Now...we are left for dead and people figure "ok, back to mediocrity/mid major for UC" and what do we do? We hire Tuberville away from Tech and announce a 70-80 million dollar upgrade/expansion to Nippert. Basically UC just said the train is moving forward regardless of conference, regardless of what the pundits think/say, etc. Love that.

Go Cats!

Rob Franxman and Duane loved Tommy Tuberville just as much as you did, #1. I'm just flooded with memories of Duane these days.

I was excited to get Tubberville and figured the Tech fans were sour grapes. Then we all saw why the Tech fans were happy.

NOTE TO UCLA FANS :-)

Sober me is questioning drunk me about why I dredged up an old thread last night. I was excited when we hired Tubs as well. I shoulda stuck to the thread about LSD.
 
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(01-13-2013 08:39 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  Tubby lost his fire to coach and I hope he doesn't destroy what the previous 3 coaches built at UC.

(01-13-2013 10:22 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  I don't care and I extremely happy he got the heck out of dodge. I have nothing against UC but when I see untrue posts about my University, I will respond.

Like I mentioned, I have no problems with UC but I do dislike your coach. I think he is a fraud and a liar and I fear UC fans will find that out in the future. He is repeating the same crap at UC that he said at Tech, Auburn and Ole Miss.

Remember guys, this is a coach that is done playing in big time TV games.

(01-13-2013 05:04 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Like I said earlier, I wanted him fired during the 2011 season. Headset gate and his initial response to that embarrassing crapfest should have been cause for immediate dismissal. His crappy apology on the Monday after should have warranted a firing.

Unlike other posters on here, I won't disparage UC or Cincinnati because I have never been to Ohio. I seriously doubt that the posters on here trashing Lubbock and Tech have been to Lubbock. It reeks of aggyism( Texas A&M) stereotypes. I will say this Ole Miss and Auburn fans came to our boards and said the same things I am saying today. He left Ole Miss in a pine box and Auburn fired his lazy butt because he couldn't compete with the elite coaches in the SEC. He thought he could to Lubbock and build on what Leach built. He was a failure on all accounts and our AD told him to shape up or he would be shipped out after 2013. He lost his fire and knew he couldn't compete in the offense happy Big 12 so he ran to a conference that is dying.

For that I thank him.

(01-13-2013 08:43 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Fact: Tubby couldn't win in the Big 12 and ran off before getting fired to a lesser conference. If he doesn't destroy what the previous coaches at UC built, it will be a tremendous surprise.

By all means celebrate right now. UC "stole" a Big 12 coach.

(01-13-2013 09:37 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Ban me for what? LOL. I have nothing against UC or their fans. I'm sure it is a great school but tubby is a fraud and you guys will learn that in the future.

Speed, championships, weather etc will soon become punch lines with UC fans when they figure out they were sold a bunch of crap. When he leaves and he will leave, I hope he doesn't leave a table full of UC recruits wondering what just happened.

On behalf of Bearcat Nation, please accept our sincere apology for not realizing you were speaking the truth, and nothing but, the TRUTH.

Hey ROB? Can this dude be un-banned?

We were so WRONG on the Grubbs hire. Dead wrong. LOL! SMDH.
 
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(05-04-2019 10:30 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 08:39 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  Tubby lost his fire to coach and I hope he doesn't destroy what the previous 3 coaches built at UC.

(01-13-2013 10:22 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  I don't care and I extremely happy he got the heck out of dodge. I have nothing against UC but when I see untrue posts about my University, I will respond.

Like I mentioned, I have no problems with UC but I do dislike your coach. I think he is a fraud and a liar and I fear UC fans will find that out in the future. He is repeating the same crap at UC that he said at Tech, Auburn and Ole Miss.

Remember guys, this is a coach that is done playing in big time TV games.

(01-13-2013 05:04 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Like I said earlier, I wanted him fired during the 2011 season. Headset gate and his initial response to that embarrassing crapfest should have been cause for immediate dismissal. His crappy apology on the Monday after should have warranted a firing.

Unlike other posters on here, I won't disparage UC or Cincinnati because I have never been to Ohio. I seriously doubt that the posters on here trashing Lubbock and Tech have been to Lubbock. It reeks of aggyism( Texas A&M) stereotypes. I will say this Ole Miss and Auburn fans came to our boards and said the same things I am saying today. He left Ole Miss in a pine box and Auburn fired his lazy butt because he couldn't compete with the elite coaches in the SEC. He thought he could to Lubbock and build on what Leach built. He was a failure on all accounts and our AD told him to shape up or he would be shipped out after 2013. He lost his fire and knew he couldn't compete in the offense happy Big 12 so he ran to a conference that is dying.

For that I thank him.

(01-13-2013 08:43 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Fact: Tubby couldn't win in the Big 12 and ran off before getting fired to a lesser conference. If he doesn't destroy what the previous coaches at UC built, it will be a tremendous surprise.

By all means celebrate right now. UC "stole" a Big 12 coach.

(01-13-2013 09:37 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Ban me for what? LOL. I have nothing against UC or their fans. I'm sure it is a great school but tubby is a fraud and you guys will learn that in the future.

Speed, championships, weather etc will soon become punch lines with UC fans when they figure out they were sold a bunch of crap. When he leaves and he will leave, I hope he doesn't leave a table full of UC recruits wondering what just happened.

On behalf of Bearcat Nation, please accept our sincere apology for not realizing you were speaking the truth, and nothing but, the TRUTH.

Hey ROB? Can this dude be un-banned?

We were so WRONG on the Grubbs hire. Dead wrong. LOL! SMDH.

Pretty sure that’s Todge Rodge on the CR and AAC boards.
 
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(05-04-2019 10:38 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Pretty sure that’s Todge Rodge on the CR and AAC boards.

I don't post on those boards as much so I'm unfamiliar with TR or how he links to jml2010. There were several Texas Tech posters that tried to warn us about Grubbs at the time of the hire and we all thought they were just butt hurt over losing their coach to a non-P5 program. I wish I could remember the other TT poster but he got a similar treatment (my hand is raised for dishing some of it out) from the Banter Board.
 
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I cannot remember the Tech poster, but I remember his message after the Miami of Florida win. They said that it was unfortunate because it probably bought him extra years.
 
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(10-05-2014 01:14 AM)PowerFootball Wrote:  For paying us money to make Tommy Tuberville your head coach. 03-lmfao

(10-05-2014 01:46 AM)PowerFootball Wrote:  At least you finally found a coach that won't be moving up to a better school in a couple years. Cincy is the perfect retirement job for Tubs. I'll bet he can't wait to get back to golfing everyday.

I realize this was trolling at the time but another truth hurts looking back...
 
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