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RE: CAA History Lesson
(03-20-2019 09:46 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (03-20-2019 08:56 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: For those who watched the Hofstra v. NC State game last night... How would you feel about a CAA Tournament in Reynolds Coliseum? I haven't been there since the renovations, but it looked great on TV last night. Seats about 5,000, great history, a more centralized location than Charleston. D'antonio was in attendance last night as well.
We actually talked about this in the past. I think the consensus here in general was Raleigh would be good.
I couldn't remember if we had or not. Just seeing how good Reynolds looked last night made me think about it. Makes a lot of sense, especially if we added a school like Campbell to the conference.
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RE: CAA History Lesson
(03-20-2019 09:53 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: (03-20-2019 09:46 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (03-20-2019 08:56 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: For those who watched the Hofstra v. NC State game last night... How would you feel about a CAA Tournament in Reynolds Coliseum? I haven't been there since the renovations, but it looked great on TV last night. Seats about 5,000, great history, a more centralized location than Charleston. D'antonio was in attendance last night as well.
We actually talked about this in the past. I think the consensus here in general was Raleigh would be good.
I couldn't remember if we had or not. Just seeing how good Reynolds looked last night made me think about it. Makes a lot of sense, especially if we added a school like Campbell to the conference.
Therein lies the problem, if it makes a lot of sense, the CAA is unlikely to do it!
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RE: CAA History Lesson
(03-20-2019 09:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (03-20-2019 09:53 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: (03-20-2019 09:46 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (03-20-2019 08:56 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: For those who watched the Hofstra v. NC State game last night... How would you feel about a CAA Tournament in Reynolds Coliseum? I haven't been there since the renovations, but it looked great on TV last night. Seats about 5,000, great history, a more centralized location than Charleston. D'antonio was in attendance last night as well.
We actually talked about this in the past. I think the consensus here in general was Raleigh would be good.
I couldn't remember if we had or not. Just seeing how good Reynolds looked last night made me think about it. Makes a lot of sense, especially if we added a school like Campbell to the conference.
Therein lies the problem, if it makes a lot of sense, the CAA is unlikely to do it!
I am of the mind that conferences in this day and age really need to rethink their whole tournament formats from the ground up -especially the CAA.
Their model of what a "big time" tournament is supposed to look like was based on the old ACC Tournament, which itself was conceived for a high-major geographically compact conference in the pre-modern internet/media age. There just isn't any really great solution for the CAA with the geographic footprint that it has and with the respective fan bases that it has.
Would the arena in DC (or Reynolds Coliseum) been really any more packed with fans to watch Hofstra play Northeastern than Charleston? I really doubt it - especially with only a day's notice that their team would be playing in the championship game, a game which they could watch (with some effort) on TV at home?
The problem, as usual, requires some out of the box thinking and giving up preconceived ideas of what a tournament is 'supposed' to look like - never the CAA's strong point...
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RE: CAA History Lesson
Agree that we need a different solution for a mid major with such a huge geography.
Here's how the Big South does their tournament:
Tuesday, March 5 (Campus Sites)
Thursday-Friday, March 7-8 (at No. 1 seed)
Sunday, March 10 (at Highest Remaining Seed)
1-4 seeds have a 1st round bye.
The 2019 Big South Men's Basketball Championship remains a home site/earned seed format. All 11 teams will participate in the conference's annual postseason event, with first round games to held at the home site of the No. 6, No. 7 and 8 seeds on Tuesday, March 5. The No. 1 seed will host the quarterfinals and semifinals on March 7-8, with the highest remaining seed hosting the Championship game on Sunday, March 10 at 1:00pm on ESPN.
I actually like this format. HUGE advantage to finish the regular season as the #1 seed. Also, championship game is on a Sunday, allowing fans to travel and show up for the final. Additional bonus is home games adding revenue to the hosting schools and passionate crowds.
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Beats the current setup, I agree.
I just don't think in the age of streaming media, etc, you are likely in the foreseeable future to ever a "must attend" attitude for fans from Charleston to Boston to descend on a particular site for a 3-4 day period. Unless the league gets lucky, there are going to be a lot of empty seats with the current arrangement. Heck, just last week it was EASY to get tickets to the ACC tournament to see, say, NCSU v Clemson...someone may have bought them, but they were being resold at big, big discounts in most cases.
Your setup is guaranteed to get crowds (well, maybe not at Northeastern ), and rewards success along the way.
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RE: CAA History Lesson
(03-21-2019 08:07 AM)70shawk Wrote: Beats the current setup, I agree.
I just don't think in the age of streaming media, etc, you are likely in the foreseeable future to ever a "must attend" attitude for fans from Charleston to Boston to descend on a particular site for a 3-4 day period. Unless the league gets lucky, there are going to be a lot of empty seats with the current arrangement. Heck, just last week it was EASY to get tickets to the ACC tournament to see, say, NCSU v Clemson...someone may have bought them, but they were being resold at big, big discounts in most cases.
Your setup is guaranteed to get crowds (well, maybe not at Northeastern), and rewards success along the way.
Agree with you both. In a league of this size that model could work and well. Granted i know several people on here that wouldn't have been making the trip to NU, but it would have been nothing to shoot to Elon for the opening round game.
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RE: CAA History Lesson
Exactly, seems a no-brainer, especially if the CAA is garnering ticket shares from the early round games like what would have been Elon vs UNCW for ours and Elon fans.
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The only way I see the CAA being revived and turning around, is the schools opening their eyes and getting a real commissioner who is not afraid to step up. For too long we have had leadership that has settled for the status quo. We need an infusion in our leadership. This conference can only go as far as leaders are willing to take us. With where we are now, sucking for air, what do we have to lose?
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RE: CAA History Lesson
Campus sites would be brutal in the CAA. Season ends on Saturday and you have to be in Boston by Tuesday last minute??? That would be brutal.
The CAA needs to address the geography problem first and foremost. I do think if the geography problem can be managed than divisional based campus site tournaments would be best for a league as diverse as ours.
The Northern division does its thing and the Southern Divison does its thing. The Northern Champion then plays the Southern Champion at the highest ranked home court near the end of championship week
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CAA History Lesson
(03-21-2019 01:23 PM)solohawks Wrote: Campus sites would be brutal in the CAA. Season ends on Saturday and you have to be in Boston by Tuesday last minute??? That would be brutal.
The CAA needs to address the geography problem first and foremost. I do think if the geography problem can be managed than divisional based campus site tournaments would be best for a league as diverse as ours.
The Northern division does its thing and the Southern Divison does its thing. The Northern Champion then plays the Southern Champion at the highest ranked home court near the end of championship week
I’m not as much a fan of North and South divisions. Given how, historically, the majority of the best teams are in the south you could have 1-2 teams lose in the south and be far better than the Northern champ but not have a shot. Not a fan of that setup.
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RE: CAA History Lesson
We need a real TV contract. Which would probably mean that the network could more than likely have say in how our tournament layout would work. But, if it helps bring more exposure, then we should be able to live with that.
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RE: CAA History Lesson
(03-21-2019 01:23 PM)solohawks Wrote: Campus sites would be brutal in the CAA. Season ends on Saturday and you have to be in Boston by Tuesday last minute??? That would be brutal.
The CAA needs to address the geography problem first and foremost. I do think if the geography problem can be managed than divisional based campus site tournaments would be best for a league as diverse as ours.
The Northern division does its thing and the Southern Divison does its thing. The Northern Champion then plays the Southern Champion at the highest ranked home court near the end of championship week
Lol, your idea was my first inclination with a N/S winner playing each other. The problem I found was how to have two tournaments with one winner and then another final game? Every scenario I tried ended up with at least 4 games for the overall winner and five if a bottom tier team made it. Brutal entering the NCAA tournament.
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(03-21-2019 02:02 PM)82hawk Wrote: (03-21-2019 01:23 PM)solohawks Wrote: Campus sites would be brutal in the CAA. Season ends on Saturday and you have to be in Boston by Tuesday last minute??? That would be brutal.
The CAA needs to address the geography problem first and foremost. I do think if the geography problem can be managed than divisional based campus site tournaments would be best for a league as diverse as ours.
The Northern division does its thing and the Southern Divison does its thing. The Northern Champion then plays the Southern Champion at the highest ranked home court near the end of championship week
Lol, your idea was my first inclination with a N/S winner playing each other. The problem I found was how to have two tournaments with one winner and then another final game? Every scenario I tried ended up with at least 4 games for the overall winner and five if a bottom tier team made it. Brutal entering the NCAA tournament.
But we usually have a week off before the NCAA starts
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(03-21-2019 02:17 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (03-21-2019 02:02 PM)82hawk Wrote: (03-21-2019 01:23 PM)solohawks Wrote: Campus sites would be brutal in the CAA. Season ends on Saturday and you have to be in Boston by Tuesday last minute??? That would be brutal.
The CAA needs to address the geography problem first and foremost. I do think if the geography problem can be managed than divisional based campus site tournaments would be best for a league as diverse as ours.
The Northern division does its thing and the Southern Divison does its thing. The Northern Champion then plays the Southern Champion at the highest ranked home court near the end of championship week
Lol, your idea was my first inclination with a N/S winner playing each other. The problem I found was how to have two tournaments with one winner and then another final game? Every scenario I tried ended up with at least 4 games for the overall winner and five if a bottom tier team made it. Brutal entering the NCAA tournament.
But we usually have a week off before the NCAA starts
Exactly. Mirror the big south schedule for the North and South Tournaments take a week and have the winners play
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RE: CAA History Lesson
(03-21-2019 10:46 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote: The only way I see the CAA being revived and turning around, is the schools opening their eyes and getting a real commissioner who is not afraid to step up. For too long we have had leadership that has settled for the status quo. We need an infusion in our leadership. This conference can only go as far as leaders are willing to take us. With where we are now, sucking for air, what do we have to lose?
+1 Would love to see the CAA turning around. W&M likely will be 9th or 10th either way.
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(03-21-2019 04:31 PM)TribePride91 Wrote: (03-21-2019 10:46 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote: The only way I see the CAA being revived and turning around, is the schools opening their eyes and getting a real commissioner who is not afraid to step up. For too long we have had leadership that has settled for the status quo. We need an infusion in our leadership. This conference can only go as far as leaders are willing to take us. With where we are now, sucking for air, what do we have to lose?
+1 Would love to see the CAA turning around. W&M likely will be 9th or 10th either way.
Sorry man, unfortunately know the feeling all too well. Hope you guys make a good hire.
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RE: CAA History Lesson
(03-21-2019 04:31 PM)TribePride91 Wrote: (03-21-2019 10:46 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote: The only way I see the CAA being revived and turning around, is the schools opening their eyes and getting a real commissioner who is not afraid to step up. For too long we have had leadership that has settled for the status quo. We need an infusion in our leadership. This conference can only go as far as leaders are willing to take us. With where we are now, sucking for air, what do we have to lose?
+1 Would love to see the CAA turning around. W&M likely will be 9th or 10th either way.
Sorry man, unfortunately know the feeling all too well. Hope you guys make a good hire.
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(04-14-2019 07:39 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote: (04-14-2019 04:19 PM)The Cats Wrote: https://twitter.com/fantalk989/status/11...3537784836
I may be losing my mind, but I believe ODU, GMU and Georgia State were gone before College of Charleston joined the CAA.
I would regret it if i were them
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