https://bluedelaware.com/2019/03/24/the-...e-compact/

Quote:Delaware is set to join 13 other states and the District of Columbia in joining the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact that will award Delaware’s and all other compact member states’ electoral votes to the popular vote winner, that is once Governor John Carney (D) signs the bill, as he has said he will. He will apparently sign the bill this coming Thursday at 1:15 pm.

Once the Governor does sign the bill, it will not go into affect right away. Instead, the Interstate Compact will only become active when the number of electoral votes of compact member states reaches 270. That way, the winner of the popular vote is guaranteed to win at least 270 electoral college votes.

Right now, with Delaware, Colorado and New Mexico joining the compact in recent weeks, the Compact’s Electoral Vote total is 185. In the map above, those are the states in the darker blue. In the medium blue color are states, such as Nevada, Oregon, Virginia and Maine, that can pass the law by 2020, given the Democratic control of the legislature and governorships in those states. That would bring the Compact total up to 215 electoral votes. Depending on how the 2020 and 2022 elections go, the states colored in light blue, namely Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Michigan, Minnesota and Arizona, could put the Compact over the top with 287 Electoral Votes.

Anyway, I neglected to provide a vote count when the bill passed last week, so check it out below. In the Senate, two Republicans from Northern New Castle County, Cloutier and Delcollo, joined the Dems in passing the bill, perhaps knowing that their reelections in 2020 depend on agreeing to as much Democratic legislation as possible And yes, I know, this was a nonpartisan bill that had Republican officials testifying in favor of the bill on the floor, but the Republican partisan stance is to oppose this bill. This bill had many more Republican sponsors, like Jeff Spiegelman, but he and they had to drop off the bill due to the blowback they were getting from the Republican base. Spiegelman is like Delaware’s Lindsay Graham. Betraying principle to escape the rage of the insane GOP base. In the House, two Democrats crossed the aisle and voted no: Bill Carson and Bill Bush. I would love to know their thinking.

And this is how the 2nd civil war started grandson

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The people who live in these states that support this are absolute fools. Their votes are being stolen from them by their own elected officials and they just go along with it.

Do these deep blue states realize that the only time this so-called compact would come into play is if/when a Republican won the popular vote, and they would have to overturn the will of their constituents?

Any other situation, it wouldn't make any difference. Zero upside, infinite downside. Genius.

And swing states will never be on board, because they aren't going to disenfranchise themselves.

(03-24-2019 07:25 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Do these deep blue states realize that the only time this so-called compact would come into play is if/when a Republican won the popular vote, and they would have to overturn the will of their constituents?

Any other situation, it wouldn't make any difference. Zero upside, infinite downside. Genius.

And swing states will never be on board, because they aren't going to disenfranchise themselves.

Well I think its pretty sinister of them that this wont go into affect until there are 270 votes in the compact. That way this doesnt go into effect until it WILL decide the election so that people dont get a reality check about what this means.

With CA and NY on board... this is simply a way to ensure that states can't flip red when the Dems have a bad candidate... since those states electoral college votes are locked with everyone else.

They can't guarantee winning by the rules... so they want to change the rules.

I just don't understand how people can be this stupid. I also don't understand how a state can usurp the Constitution without at least putting it to a vote among the voters of the state.

The awesome glory, of course, would be when a republican carries the popular vote but not the "traditional" EC because fly over country goes hard red.

(03-24-2019 07:38 PM)banker Wrote:  I just don't understand how people can be this stupid. I also don't understand how a state can usurp the Constitution without at least putting it to a vote among the voters of the state.

The awesome glory, of course, would be when a republican carries the popular vote but not the "traditional" EC because fly over country goes hard red.

You must understand TDS.

But it's not just TDS, they still feel the same about Bush/Gore. It's a fundamental lack of understanding of the superiority of our system to that of mob rule.

(03-24-2019 07:52 PM)banker Wrote:  But it's not just TDS, they still feel the same about Bush/Gore. It's a fundamental lack of understanding of the superiority of our system to that of mob rule.

Well they are very good at calling out the mobs.....

Currently libs believe their votes were stolen when Trump was elected. No matter how their state voted and a popular vote would ensure their vote matters.

Here's the thing. How many more of us are going to go vote for Trump now knowing our extra vote in our safe state can steal votes from elsewhere?

(03-24-2019 07:38 PM)banker Wrote:  I just don't understand how people can be this stupid.

From the comment section of that article...

Quote:March 24, 2019
Really hope this succeeds, the Electoral College must fall, and as we’ll never get a constitutional amendment this is the next best thing. I have always maintained that if the American people knew what the college was and what it did they would want it gone. Red state politicians excepted.

Hillary's popular vote came totally from NYC and California. Trump had a significant lead in popular vote in the rest of the country. In California, republicans had little incentive to turn up at the polls. If we had a popular vote system instead of an electoral vote system, I'm guessing a lot more republicans would have showed up in California, especially considering that polls there were open after some of the results from the east had already come in. And I'm sorry, but I cannot support any system that gives the presidency to someone that the rest of the country does not want, solely because of NYC and California.

The other thing to note is that Hillary didn't have a majority, either. She had 48% to Trump's 46%. Neither won a majority. France is about the only truly advanced democracy/republic with direct election of the president, and they require a runoff if nobody gets 50%. If you add Gary Johnson's votes to Trump's (which is where the vast majority of them would have gone) and you add Jill Stein's to Hillary's (which is where the vast majority of them would have gone), then Trump would be the projected winner in a runoff.

Most advanced democracies/republics elect their chief executive indirectly. It's the case with the prime minister in every parliamentary system. The countries that elect them directly tend to elect people like Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe and Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez/Nicolas Maduro and Vladimir Lenin.

(03-24-2019 07:32 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 07:25 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Do these deep blue states realize that the only time this so-called compact would come into play is if/when a Republican won the popular vote, and they would have to overturn the will of their constituents?

Any other situation, it wouldn't make any difference. Zero upside, infinite downside. Genius.

And swing states will never be on board, because they aren't going to disenfranchise themselves.

Well I think its pretty sinister of them that this wont go into affect until there are 270 votes in the compact. That way this doesnt go into effect until it WILL decide the election so that people dont get a reality check about what this means.

With CA and NY on board... this is simply a way to ensure that states can't flip red when the Dems have a bad candidate... since those states electoral college votes are locked with everyone else.

They can't guarantee winning by the rules... so they want to change the rules.

They arent changing any rules whatsoever.

The 'rule' is that any individual state can determine how to allot its electoral votes in any manner that that individual state determines.

If a state wants to piss away it's sovereign right to delegate its votes according to its voters wishes, and defer to a national total, that state has every right to do so.

(03-24-2019 08:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 07:32 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 07:25 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Do these deep blue states realize that the only time this so-called compact would come into play is if/when a Republican won the popular vote, and they would have to overturn the will of their constituents?

Any other situation, it wouldn't make any difference. Zero upside, infinite downside. Genius.

And swing states will never be on board, because they aren't going to disenfranchise themselves.

Well I think its pretty sinister of them that this wont go into affect until there are 270 votes in the compact. That way this doesnt go into effect until it WILL decide the election so that people dont get a reality check about what this means.

With CA and NY on board... this is simply a way to ensure that states can't flip red when the Dems have a bad candidate... since those states electoral college votes are locked with everyone else.

They can't guarantee winning by the rules... so they want to change the rules.

They arent changing any rules whatsoever.

The 'rule' is that any individual state can determine how to allot its electoral votes in any manner that that individual state determines.

If a state wants to piss away it's sovereign right to delegate its votes according to its voters wishes, and defer to a national total, that state has every right to do so.

They are changing the rules. Not the rule that states have control over their electors... but that the electors follow the will of the nation not the voters of the state.

If this gets anywhere close to taking effect, I would expect some court challenges. Of course, all we need is one case where a republican wins the popular vote but loses in the EC, and that's the last we will ever hear of this. This is purely, "We didn't get our way, so we are going to change the rules."

One thing that hasn't really been mentioned yet......

with the varying time zones and a 'popular' vote, this would end 'early calls' of any state so that it didn't influence the rest of the votes.

What happens when one of these pact states goes 70% for a candidate that loses the popular vote? How does the state government survive by saying "look, I know the vast majority of you didn't want Satan as president, but California really liked Satan and they have more people than we do and, if you remember, we decided to blindly follow them without your consent."

(03-24-2019 09:12 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  One thing that hasn't really been mentioned yet......

with the varying time zones and a 'popular' vote, this would end 'early calls' of any state so that it didn't influence the rest of the votes.

Which depending on how close it was, we may not know for several days or a week or so who won... as ballots keep being found in trunks of cars and office buildings.

Its quite simple what would happen.

The big city political machines would be out in full gear running up the vote.

For smaller states to support this is absolutely asinine