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Feel free to add or share to this thread, I wanted to compile a list of where UC Basketball stands historically with the rest of the country.

1) All time wins = 1809 Rank #14

To date record (02/20/19) : W 1809 ... L 1012
Current ranking is #14 all time. We are 2 wins behind Arizona, 7 behind Utah, and 18 behind BYU. We will probably pass Arizona this year, possibly Utah to get to #12.


2) NCAA Tournament Appearances = 32
Rank #14
We will likely pass Arkansas and tie Arizona this year for #12 all time.

3) NCAA Tournament Wins = 46 (#16 all time)

4) National Titles = 2 (T- #9 all time)
5) Final Fours = 6 (T- #10 all time)
6) Elite Eights = 8 (#21 all time)
4) Sweet 16s = 13 (#19 all time)

5) Regular Season Conference Championships = 28 (I can’t find a list that compares this to other programs)

6) Conference Tournament Championships = 11 (I can’t find a list that compares this to other programs)

7) Weeks Ranked #1 = 46 (#7 all time)

8) Weeks Ranked #10 = 210 (#13 all time)

9) Weeks Ranked #25 = 430 (#12 all time)

10) Consensus 1st team AA = 8 (#22 all time)

11) National Player of the year = 4 (Oscar x3 and Kenyon -1) ( I can’t find a ranking for this, but I belive we are #3 behind UCLA (7) and Duke (5)

12) Total All Americans (1st, 2nd, 3rd, HM) = 41 (I cannot find a ranking for this, but I imagine it is top 15)

13) NBA Hall of Famers = 2 (T-7th all time)

14) Oscar Robertson (one of the top 5 college basketball players all time, arguably the greatest)

15) First school to go to 3 straight national titles, and first school to go to 5 straight final 4s (UCLA only other school to do so)

UC is a basketball power. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. We should aspire to be a top 10 program on a regular basis.

1981 We won against Bradley the game with most overtimes (7) in a Division one history

We were also eliminated 5 times in NCAA Tournament by eventual Champion; don't know where that ranks number wise but must be high on the list percentage wise 5 out of 32. (We are due some good karma in the NCAA tournament someday)

(02-20-2019 11:43 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  UC is a basketball power. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. We should aspire to be a top 10 program on a regular basis.

I believe we are legitimately a top 15 program. Playing in probably a top 10-15 arena right now. In a basketball rich region (OH/IN/KY). We should aspire for more.

Also, they need to figure away to get our tradition displayed in the new digs better. I like the arena, but it needs some tweaks.

(02-20-2019 11:43 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  UC is a basketball power. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. We should aspire to be a top 10 program on a regular basis.

Absolutely. Someone might want to send this to the typewriting school over in Norwood.

YAHOO ran an article on the internet a couple of days ago ranking the 25 greatest college basketball teams of all time. The '61-'62 Bearcats were ranked number 14.

(02-20-2019 12:37 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 11:43 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  UC is a basketball power. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. We should aspire to be a top 10 program on a regular basis.

I believe we are legitimately a top 15 program. Playing in probably a top 10-15 arena right now. In a basketball rich region (OH/IN/KY). We should aspire for more.

Also, they need to figure away to get our tradition displayed in the new digs better. I like the arena, but it needs some tweaks.

Bolded, I agree. They got very creative with the lighted graphic signage in the south end zone which has a panel for the national champions. But to me, that's easily missed. We either place a few banners back on prominent display in the arena (I could live with national titles, final fours and NCAA appearances) or the entire old display somewhere in the concourses for everyone to see up close--and for CBS, ABC and ESPN to show coming out of commercial breaks on each telecast.

This thread began with an excellent list. I don't feel UC leverages that well documented tradition enough. Each of those accomplishments should be incorporated in a display wall somewhere in the arena, along with some other memorabilia--Oscar's jersey, a game ball from the Final Four, etc.

College sports is about pride and tradition. We have plenty of both so let's not hide it.

I haven't made it to the new arena yet (live in Oakland) but it would be great to see them post these type of stats somewhere in the arena - as some are eye popping.

Side note - surprised Utah has as many wins as they do. I don't know much about their program outside of the Rick Majerus/Keith Van Horn years (which were really fun).

Most badass cheers:
1) Rock Chalk Jayhawk
2) Down the Drive

(02-20-2019 01:47 PM)digibrink Wrote:  I haven't made it to the new arena yet (live in Oakland) but it would be great to see them post these type of stats somewhere in the arena - as some are eye popping.

Side note - surprised Utah has as many wins as they do. I don't know much about their program outside of the Rick Majerus/Keith Van Horn years (which were really fun).

For nearly all of their existence, Utah played very weak competition.

They spent 38 years in the Mountain States Athletic Conference. Then 37 in the WAC. Then 12 in the Mountain West. Until 2017, Utah had never played in a conference with a Final Four team that year outside of World War 2 (which barely counts because most teams stopped playing during the War).

Utah's conference mates have been similar to what UC would have had if we had never left the MAC.

All time AP composite basketball rankings:
10. Cincinnati

The Bearcats are a bit of a surprise cracking the Top 10, but they have been a very strong team for a while, and were a power throughout the 1990s, when they appeared in 61.25-percent of polls, the AP notes. As conference alignment currently stands, Cincy is the No. 1 program among the “mid-majors,” with Georgetown coming in at No. 15 (depending on what you consider the Big East), and UConn at No. 16.

(02-20-2019 03:22 PM)cmhcat Wrote:  All time AP composite basketball rankings:
10. Cincinnati

The Bearcats are a bit of a surprise cracking the Top 10, but they have been a very strong team for a while, and were a power throughout the 1990s, when they appeared in 61.25-percent of polls, the AP notes. As conference alignment currently stands, Cincy is the No. 1 program among the “mid-majors,” with Georgetown coming in at No. 15 (depending on what you consider the Big East), and UConn at No. 16.

The number 1 "mid" major comes in way ahead of most of the "high'
majors.

(02-20-2019 04:06 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 03:22 PM)cmhcat Wrote:  All time AP composite basketball rankings:
10. Cincinnati

The Bearcats are a bit of a surprise cracking the Top 10, but they have been a very strong team for a while, and were a power throughout the 1990s, when they appeared in 61.25-percent of polls, the AP notes. As conference alignment currently stands, Cincy is the No. 1 program among the “mid-majors,” with Georgetown coming in at No. 15 (depending on what you consider the Big East), and UConn at No. 16.

The number 1 "mid" major comes in way ahead of most of the "high'
majors.

Assuming this narrative was written by the AP? Bolded, and I agree, it's impressive to be on this list but the writer should have done a little more homework. There is nothing mid-major about Cincinnati's basketball program: budget, facilities or level of competition in a conference projected to have 4 of 12 members in the NCAA Tournament.

Nothing mid-major except that we aren't in a major conference.

The arena should highlight UC's history a lot more than it does. We have it and our competitors don't, and they can't just get a billionaire to buy it for them.

This "mid-major" against the Big Ten since 1950 is 29-20 (record against 9 teams..we have never played Northwestern) If I add in the other 4 new members we are 45-27.

(02-20-2019 03:22 PM)cmhcat Wrote:  All time AP composite basketball rankings:
10. Cincinnati

The Bearcats are a bit of a surprise cracking the Top 10, but they have been a very strong team for a while, and were a power throughout the 1990s, when they appeared in 61.25-percent of polls, the AP notes. As conference alignment currently stands, Cincy is the No. 1 program among the “mid-majors,” with Georgetown coming in at No. 15 (depending on what you consider the Big East), and UConn at No. 16.

Not sure who wrote this. Anyone who follows college basketball is not surprised UC comes in at 10. Only thing mid-major about UC is our tv deal.

(02-20-2019 11:25 AM)jarr Wrote:  Feel free to add or share to this thread, I wanted to compile a list of where UC Basketball stands historically with the rest of the country.

1) All time wins = 1809 Rank #14

To date record (02/20/19) : W 1809 ... L 1012
Current ranking is #14 all time. We are 2 wins behind Arizona, 7 behind Utah, and 18 behind BYU. We will probably pass Arizona this year, possibly Utah to get to #12.


2) NCAA Tournament Appearances = 32
Rank #14
We will likely pass Arkansas and tie Arizona this year for #12 all time.

3) NCAA Tournament Wins = 46 (#16 all time)

4) National Titles = 2 (T- #9 all time)
5) Final Fours = 6 (T- #10 all time)
6) Elite Eights = 8 (#21 all time)
4) Sweet 16s = 13 (#19 all time)

5) Regular Season Conference Championships = 28 (I can’t find a list that compares this to other programs)

6) Conference Tournament Championships = 11 (I can’t find a list that compares this to other programs)

7) Weeks Ranked #1 = 46 (#7 all time)

8) Weeks Ranked #10 = 210 (#13 all time)

9) Weeks Ranked #25 = 430 (#12 all time)

10) Consensus 1st team AA = 8 (#22 all time)

11) National Player of the year = 4 (Oscar x3 and Kenyon -1) ( I can’t find a ranking for this, but I belive we are #3 behind UCLA (7) and Duke (5)

12) Total All Americans (1st, 2nd, 3rd, HM) = 41 (I cannot find a ranking for this, but I imagine it is top 15)

13) NBA Hall of Famers = 2 (T-7th all time)

14) Oscar Robertson (one of the top 5 college basketball players all time, arguably the greatest)

15) First school to go to 3 straight national titles, and first school to go to 5 straight final 4s (UCLA only other school to do so)

This is all well and good but with UC's recent lack of tournament success and playing in a bad conference most of the last 40 years, I'll bet almost everyone under the age of 35 doesn't consider UC a Top 15-ish historical program.

Despite being a consistently winning program for most of the last 20 years, UC's basketball reputation isn't what it could/should be all because they can't advance in the tournament. UC has what, 3 sweet sixteens in the last 20-25 years despite being in the tournament almost every year?

UC is the only school in the nation to have a scholarship basketball player win a Cy Young Award.

Any of you other "old farts" remember who it is?

(02-22-2019 01:40 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  UC is the only school in the nation to have a scholarship basketball player win a Cy Young Award.

Any of you other "old farts" remember who it is?

Koufax.

Guy at my gym was on the freshman basketball and baseball team with him. In addition to coaching the freshman basketball team, Jucker was the head baseball coach. Said after the season the didn't have enough pitchers. Sandy told Coach Jucker he could pitch so they had him throw a few pitches in Schmidlapp (now the Dieterle Vocal Arts building). After a couple pitches he was on the team.

Said Sandy threw the ball as hard as anyone he ever saw (this guy played in the minors for 5 years). Was very raw and had no control while at UC. He really improved a lot before he got called up to the Dodgers.





Koufax is dark haired guy in back row on the right.

(02-22-2019 01:27 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(02-20-2019 11:25 AM)jarr Wrote:  Feel free to add or share to this thread, I wanted to compile a list of where UC Basketball stands historically with the rest of the country.

1) All time wins = 1809 Rank #14

To date record (02/20/19) : W 1809 ... L 1012
Current ranking is #14 all time. We are 2 wins behind Arizona, 7 behind Utah, and 18 behind BYU. We will probably pass Arizona this year, possibly Utah to get to #12.


2) NCAA Tournament Appearances = 32
Rank #14
We will likely pass Arkansas and tie Arizona this year for #12 all time.

3) NCAA Tournament Wins = 46 (#16 all time)

4) National Titles = 2 (T- #9 all time)
5) Final Fours = 6 (T- #10 all time)
6) Elite Eights = 8 (#21 all time)
4) Sweet 16s = 13 (#19 all time)

5) Regular Season Conference Championships = 28 (I can’t find a list that compares this to other programs)

6) Conference Tournament Championships = 11 (I can’t find a list that compares this to other programs)

7) Weeks Ranked #1 = 46 (#7 all time)

8) Weeks Ranked #10 = 210 (#13 all time)

9) Weeks Ranked #25 = 430 (#12 all time)

10) Consensus 1st team AA = 8 (#22 all time)

11) National Player of the year = 4 (Oscar x3 and Kenyon -1) ( I can’t find a ranking for this, but I belive we are #3 behind UCLA (7) and Duke (5)

12) Total All Americans (1st, 2nd, 3rd, HM) = 41 (I cannot find a ranking for this, but I imagine it is top 15)

13) NBA Hall of Famers = 2 (T-7th all time)

14) Oscar Robertson (one of the top 5 college basketball players all time, arguably the greatest)

15) First school to go to 3 straight national titles, and first school to go to 5 straight final 4s (UCLA only other school to do so)

This is all well and good but with UC's recent lack of tournament success and playing in a bad conference most of the last 40 years, I'll bet almost everyone under the age of 35 doesn't consider UC a Top 15-ish historical program.

Despite being a consistently winning program for most of the last 20 years, UC's basketball reputation isn't what it could/should be all because they can't advance in the tournament. UC has what, 3 sweet sixteens in the last 20-25 years despite being in the tournament almost every year?

Well most people under 35 are more concerned with social media but if we are discussing true basketball fans yes they would be influenced by the national media machine and their own personal favorites so we probably would be rated lower than what we deserve.

But it is nonsense for you to call The Metro and Conference USA bad conferences.