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RE: If Alston Wins How Tiered Conferences Might Look and Why That Might Not Be So Bad
(02-12-2019 04:53 PM)TerryD Wrote: (02-12-2019 04:20 PM)JRsec Wrote: (02-12-2019 04:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (02-09-2019 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote: Alston could cause change in all P conferences. But I seriously doubt that schools like Northwestern, Vanderbilt, or Wake Forest would want to give up old affiliations. They have academic ties, and their branding is tied to their current conferences. But committing resources to fund a pay for play football would probably be untenable for them and more than a few other privates now in the upper tier.
Thankfully, Notre Dame has shown how a hybrid relationship might be workable. So what if your future upper tier looked something like this:
Big 10:
Maryland, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State
Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Iowa State, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma
*Northwestern all but football
Considerations for other partial members: *Connecticut all but football, *Butler all but football.
SEC:
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana State, Missouri
Texas, Texas A&M, T.C.U., Texas Tech
*Vanderbilt all but football
Other considerations for all but football: *Rice, *Tulane,
ACC:
Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Cincinnati, Louisville, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Clemson, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia
Baylor, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
*Wake Forest all but football,
Other considerations for all but football: *Tulane, Members of the Catholic 7, Connecticut
PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford
Arizona, Arizona State, Nevada, Utah
Colorado, Houston, Oklahoma State, Kansas State
*Gonzaga all but football.
Other considerations for all but football: *Mount St. Mary's, *Pepperdine, *San Diego, *New Mexico State, *Nevada Las Vegas
If we moved toward having essentially two tiers within a conference:
1. Pay for play in Football, Basketbal, and Baseball.
2. Pay for play in Basketball and Baseball only with Football either having been dropped or operational at a scholarship only tier.
Under that format P4 conferences might be able to augment their basketball and baseball (or hockey) value without having to cut the participants in on an equal share of football revenue. Such a construction would help to accommodate strong basketball only schools into the overall conference value.
Thoughts?
I wonder if its much easier to find a road back to amateurism than what we may think. Basically, the plantiffs have said caps are ok within a league. In fact, almost every league has some sort of financial limitations to keep all teams within the league competitive. Could undermining Alston be as easy as placing the NCAA back in control of the TV deals? Would a single deal and a NCAA run playoff make FBS essentially a single big league?
It could, but the thing is the presidents have bought into the football revenue gravy train. I don't think they will hop off anytime soon. And I suppose if we did as you suggested the players would then file the same suit and strike the conference competitiveness issue and make it per school. That would make Terry D. happy in that it would in effect make all schools independent again. But it would kill network money for conference product.
We aren't done for sure.
As to Notre Dame being able to remain independent from an upper tier there are other obstacles. If the upper tier has no caps then those who are in it will want anyone who competes with them to have the same lack of constraints which by implication will escalate expenses. I don't see that tier sharing anything with Notre Dame unless they agree to join.
It is why I think we will have layers within a tier. Those who have no cap for football, basketball, or baseball/hockey. Those who opt not to compete in a non caps tier in football, but who will participate that way in basketball or baseball/hockey, and those who issue scholarships only with no compensation (which would be legal as long as an uncapped tier exists).
As to the upper, pay for play tier, I didn't comment on independence.
Too many moving parts. That would have to play out.
My reference to continued football independence was for the "student-athlete" tier.
Terry D, I understood your position precisely, and found no contradiction contained within it.
I was merely saying that in a pay for play upper tier, should the Irish decide to join in it would be in an all in manner because nobody in that tier would make an exception for anything less.
Now therein lies the decision for Notre Dame. I just feel in the end, and given the identity that football has given N.D. that in spite of statements to the contrary by your leadership that they will go all in. Name me one other religious private that has this kind of notoriety who hasn't already sold out their religious identity to maintain it? USC: Methodist now Secular. T.C.U. separated its seminary and formally adopted its initials to distance itself from their "Christian Church protestant denominational roots. Duke which has a seminary, and Vanderbilt which had a seminary have now distanced themselves from Methodism.
Notre Dame is the only successful high profile religiously integrated school out there. You guys have held onto both success and your religious ties and in part because of football success. I can't think of any other significant private Catholic Universities with this kind of recognition nationally. That's why I don't think your school will abandon such a major part of its identity.
I certainly don't place Baylor or B.Y.U. in Notre Dame's category but neither of those have abandoned their religious association, although Baylor has certainly damaged theirs.
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2019 05:23 PM by JRsec.)
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