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Enough. USF's philosophy worked and quite frankly was necessary. The teams USF scheduled were challenges regardless. Next year's schedule should be much better. The NCAAT may be a long shot this year, but we got to the point where USF is a tier 1 game at home and tier 2 on the road. You can't tell me that somehow harms the conference. If the AAC decides to put a scheduling mandate in place, we have a system, stable recruiting, and good facilities-that will keep the talent rolling in and USF winning long term regardless of how hard the schedule is.
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(02-12-2019 01:22 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Well stated! Sampson did the same thing when he became our coach and scheduled better as our teams got better over the last 5 years.

our schedules even when they were bad, were never as bad as usfs this season.... they didnt schedule a team from a top 8 conference..nor any good teams from a lower conference

they played 1 good ooc and it was from a preseason tourney (gtown) .. a tourney that gtown joined last minute (patrick ewing wanted to coach atleast once in hiscountry Jamaica)..the original line up usf signed up for was horrible too

even our bad schedules for the 1st 2 years had LSU, rhode island, harvard, texas tech and a murray state (who was good then, technically still are)

Something about this seemed off, because I remembered some pretty putrid OOC schedules early on when UH and SMU were rebuilding. And sure enough, this was not the case.

Sampson’s first two years Houston had an OOC SOS ranking of 350 and 350 according to KenPom. By the RPI method, it was 345 and 302.

USF this year is 349 and 337.

Gregory has a responsibility to do what’s best for the program and an incentive to do what’s best for him. Considering what everyone that the bulls had, both of those point toward a strategy of getting some fluff wins and puffing the confidence of his team a bit to show they are making progress.

Now if the league wants to do a scheduling mandate, I’m good with that, because it’s best for the league for that to happen. But don’t act like your boy Kelvin wasn’t thinking the exact same thing as Gregory his first two years.
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there needs to be a mandate from the AAC commissioner....teams cannot schedule PUTRID schedules to make the coach look better. Call it the Lebo Rule or whatever. Its just part of being in a high major conference. Gregory needs to put on his big boy pants.
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(02-12-2019 10:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 03:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 01:22 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Well stated! Sampson did the same thing when he became our coach and scheduled better as our teams got better over the last 5 years.

our schedules even when they were bad, were never as bad as usfs this season.... they didnt schedule a team from a top 8 conference..nor any good teams from a lower conference

they played 1 good ooc and it was from a preseason tourney (gtown) .. a tourney that gtown joined last minute (patrick ewing wanted to coach atleast once in hiscountry Jamaica)..the original line up usf signed up for was horrible too

even our bad schedules for the 1st 2 years had LSU, rhode island, harvard, texas tech and a murray state (who was good then, technically still are)

Something about this seemed off, because I remembered some pretty putrid OOC schedules early on when UH and SMU were rebuilding. And sure enough, this was not the case.

Sampson’s first two years Houston had an OOC SOS ranking of 350 and 350 according to KenPom. By the RPI method, it was 345 and 302.

USF this year is 349 and 337.

Gregory has a responsibility to do what’s best for the program and an incentive to do what’s best for him. Considering what everyone that the bulls had, both of those point toward a strategy of getting some fluff wins and puffing the confidence of his team a bit to show they are making progress.

Now if the league wants to do a scheduling mandate, I’m good with that, because it’s best for the league for that to happen. But don’t act like your boy Kelvin wasn’t thinking the exact same thing as Gregory his first two years.

we played LSU with ben simmons, rhode island with hurly, harvard when they were considered good, we had texas tech..we had murray state who was extremely good... and these werent preseason tourneys these were home and home games that we planned for...

we had numerous cupcakes but we also legitimate games....

usf played 1 non horrific team, and it was a preseason tourney...note goergetwon wasnt in the tourney when usf entered it and didnt know theyd be playing in it...gtown was the last team only 7months before it happened

again i never said dont schedule bad.. i said there should be limit to how bad

if you think our schedule was similar you are missing the entire point...whever kenpom thinks (who still doesnt have houston in the top 18 and thinks our schedule this year is just as bad as those years)
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(02-12-2019 10:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 03:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 01:22 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Well stated! Sampson did the same thing when he became our coach and scheduled better as our teams got better over the last 5 years.

our schedules even when they were bad, were never as bad as usfs this season.... they didnt schedule a team from a top 8 conference..nor any good teams from a lower conference

they played 1 good ooc and it was from a preseason tourney (gtown) .. a tourney that gtown joined last minute (patrick ewing wanted to coach atleast once in hiscountry Jamaica)..the original line up usf signed up for was horrible too

even our bad schedules for the 1st 2 years had LSU, rhode island, harvard, texas tech and a murray state (who was good then, technically still are)

Something about this seemed off, because I remembered some pretty putrid OOC schedules early on when UH and SMU were rebuilding. And sure enough, this was not the case.

Sampson’s first two years Houston had an OOC SOS ranking of 350 and 350 according to KenPom. By the RPI method, it was 345 and 302.

USF this year is 349 and 337.

Gregory has a responsibility to do what’s best for the program and an incentive to do what’s best for him. Considering what everyone that the bulls had, both of those point toward a strategy of getting some fluff wins and puffing the confidence of his team a bit to show they are making progress.

Now if the league wants to do a scheduling mandate, I’m good with that, because it’s best for the league for that to happen. But don’t act like your boy Kelvin wasn’t thinking the exact same thing as Gregory his first two years.

04-cheers

It's pretty common strategy in particular if you are trying to build with freshmen and not JC or transfer.

I would normally agree about the scheduling mandate but with the NCAA jacking around with resume material it might be better to let things settle before putting one in. If the NET continues to be so clearly biased then I think their is a strong possibility we see a rule with elgibility requirement (like for football) to participate in the post season. However unlike football, where the P5 makes up a narrow majority, the bigger basketball group won't be easy to take over. Especially with many schools being basketball only. CBS's long term deal to carry the tournament and their love of the Cinderella story will also create a nice shield to keep the playing field even. It is very possible we finally see a .500 in conference rule for at larges come into effect. This would end the self motivated tinkering with the resumes. Conference's would find it difficult to rig the system to get 8/10 or 10/14 teams in.
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Going to be fun watching Duke flame out of the tourney early this year. Hype never delivers. lol
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(02-12-2019 10:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 03:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 01:22 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Well stated! Sampson did the same thing when he became our coach and scheduled better as our teams got better over the last 5 years.

our schedules even when they were bad, were never as bad as usfs this season.... they didnt schedule a team from a top 8 conference..nor any good teams from a lower conference

they played 1 good ooc and it was from a preseason tourney (gtown) .. a tourney that gtown joined last minute (patrick ewing wanted to coach atleast once in hiscountry Jamaica)..the original line up usf signed up for was horrible too

even our bad schedules for the 1st 2 years had LSU, rhode island, harvard, texas tech and a murray state (who was good then, technically still are)

Something about this seemed off, because I remembered some pretty putrid OOC schedules early on when UH and SMU were rebuilding. And sure enough, this was not the case.

Sampson’s first two years Houston had an OOC SOS ranking of 350 and 350 according to KenPom. By the RPI method, it was 345 and 302.

USF this year is 349 and 337.

Gregory has a responsibility to do what’s best for the program and an incentive to do what’s best for him. Considering what everyone that the bulls had, both of those point toward a strategy of getting some fluff wins and puffing the confidence of his team a bit to show they are making progress.

Now if the league wants to do a scheduling mandate, I’m good with that, because it’s best for the league for that to happen. But don’t act like your boy Kelvin wasn’t thinking the exact same thing as Gregory his first two years.

we played LSU with ben simmons, rhode island with hurly, harvard when they were considered good, we had texas tech..we had murray state who was extremely good... and these werent preseason tourneys these were home and home games that we planned for...

we had numerous cupcakes but we also legitimate games....

usf played 1 non horrific team, and it was a preseason tourney...note goergetwon wasnt in the tourney when usf entered it and didnt know theyd be playing in it...gtown was the last team only 7months before it happened

again i never said dont schedule bad.. i said there should be limit to how bad

if you think our schedule was similar you are missing the entire point...whever kenpom thinks (who still doesnt have houston in the top 18 and thinks our schedule this year is just as bad as those years)


Sure....the rpi similarities coach?

By the way how good was that LSU team with ol Ben?

Hurley his first year at Rhode Island you say? Damn good. Bully bully!

Texas Tech? What was that Tubby's first year? Or was that his second? When did they make that NCAA run again?

Murray St? Did they get an at large bid that year? Or maybe they secured the conference safety net NIT bid?

By the way that's off the top of my head but you are being disingenuous at best with that nonsense you just pulled from your behind. By two different metrics it is clear your schedules were equivalent. Careful when you fall off that high horse it's a long ways back to where you actually are.
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(02-12-2019 10:20 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  Enough. USF's philosophy worked and quite frankly was necessary. The teams USF scheduled were challenges regardless. Next year's schedule should be much better. The NCAAT may be a long shot this year, but we got to the point where USF is a tier 1 game at home and tier 2 on the road. You can't tell me that somehow harms the conference. If the AAC decides to put a scheduling mandate in place, we have a system, stable recruiting, and good facilities-that will keep the talent rolling in and USF winning long term regardless of how hard the schedule is.

usf is barely top 75 (tier 1 away)..for you to be a tier 1 win when it counts (end of the season) you have to win games to finish out...your next 4 games ucf, temple, houston, ucf..you even win 1 of those it is disastrous for the league

for a team to be tier1/ tier 2 game with a schedule as horrible as your it means you are taking wins aways from other teams in the league

the wins you got to get to where you will knock off someone who had a legitimate chance

you beat temple..they are done..you beat ucf.. they are done.. you beat houston they will drop seeds...

maybe a analogy will help: lets say you need a certain amount of coins to make the tourney and its impossible to collect the amount needed in conference play alone...if 8 of the 10 teams collected enough coins in the non con that they can get enough in the league, 2 didn't feel like it ...but 1 of the 2 that didn't collected all conference coins preventing many of the 8 from getting it....you are hurting the conference despite the fact you have coins

you are taking bids without making one for yourself
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(02-12-2019 10:45 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Going to be fun watching Duke flame out of the tourney early this year. Hype never delivers. lol

Nvm, dem boys good. Lol wtf Louisville?
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(02-12-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  By the way that's off the top of my head but you are being disingenuous at best with that nonsense you just pulled from your behind. By two different metrics it is clear your schedules were equivalent. Careful when you fall off that high horse it's a long ways back to where you actually are.

you are the one being disingenious...you dont schedule with insight of the future, coaches arent fortune tellers

lsu was a NIT team with ben simmons but was a preseason top 15 team, when we scheduled them,..the boise state team we schedule was a 25 win tournament team

if usf scheduled WVU (who was elite last year but unexpectedly trash this year) i think we would all understand ..

usf scheduled all horrible teams ..teams that had no chance to be good...they didnt schedule a team in a top 8 league, didnt not schedule a team projected top 4 in their low level conference...
the only good team they played in OOC was bad last year and usf didnt even know they would play them (gtown joined the jamaica classic last minute for ewing)

you are being disingenuous if you think they are doing the same thing

also those measures say our schedule this year is just as bad as usf this year (even though we played a top 15 lsu, oregon with bol bol, utah state who is currently on the bubble, @okstate, @byu, a likely 23+ win njit) ...dont fall in love with those metrics
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(02-12-2019 10:45 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Going to be fun watching Duke flame out of the tourney early this year. Hype never delivers. lol

Nvm, dem boys good. Lol wtf Louisville?

Louisville's meltdown has been most impressive.
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LOL Louisville.

Too much or too little hookers and blow?
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(02-12-2019 11:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  By the way that's off the top of my head but you are being disingenuous at best with that nonsense you just pulled from your behind. By two different metrics it is clear your schedules were equivalent. Careful when you fall off that high horse it's a long ways back to where you actually are.

you are the one being disingenious...you dont schedule with insight of the future, coaches are fortune tellers

lsu was a NIT team with ben simmons but was a preseason top 15 team, when we scheduled,..the boise stae team we schedule was a 25 win tournament team

if usf scheduled WVU (who was elite last eyear but unexpectedly trash this year) i think we would all understand ..

usf scheduled all horrible teams ..teams that had no chance to be good...they didnt schedule a team in a top 8 league, didnt not schedule a team projected top 4 in their low level conference...
the only good team they played in OOC was bad last year and usf didnt even know they would play them (gtown joined the jamaica classic last minute for ewing)

you are being disingenuous if you think they are the same thing

also those measures say our schedule this year is just as bad as usf this year (even though we played a top 15 lsu, oregon with bol bol, utah state who is currently on the bubble, @okstate, @byu, a likely 23+ win njit) ...dont fall in love with those metrics

Sure your eye test. Better than any metric right?

Its SOS pesik not player comparisons, the metrics judge you on the same things every year. Your schedules were bottom of the NCAA sorry, fact.

Ok state has a losing record.

Byu is rated number 86 and and isn't getting 23 wins, with losses probable at San Diego, and vs San Fransisco and Gonzaga, maybe even vs SD at home. As is they are probably outside looking in at post season play if it happened today.

Utah st? Whose best win is Arizona St? Who lost at a terrible San Diego St team? That NET made monstrosity? Who you played at home? Oregon who lost at Texas St with bol bol? That Oregon team?

Gtfo of here, hit the showers your done. You have two better games than USF LSU and Utah St, so yeah your schedules are pretty similar.

Your homerism is really obvious.
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(02-12-2019 11:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  By the way that's off the top of my head but you are being disingenuous at best with that nonsense you just pulled from your behind. By two different metrics it is clear your schedules were equivalent. Careful when you fall off that high horse it's a long ways back to where you actually are.

you are the one being disingenious...you dont schedule with insight of the future, coaches are fortune tellers

lsu was a NIT team with ben simmons but was a preseason top 15 team, when we scheduled,..the boise stae team we schedule was a 25 win tournament team

if usf scheduled WVU (who was elite last eyear but unexpectedly trash this year) i think we would all understand ..

usf scheduled all horrible teams ..teams that had no chance to be good...they didnt schedule a team in a top 8 league, didnt not schedule a team projected top 4 in their low level conference...
the only good team they played in OOC was bad last year and usf didnt even know they would play them (gtown joined the jamaica classic last minute for ewing)

you are being disingenuous if you think they are the same thing

also those measures say our schedule this year is just as bad as usf this year (even though we played a top 15 lsu, oregon with bol bol, utah state who is currently on the bubble, @okstate, @byu, a likely 23+ win njit) ...dont fall in love with those metrics

Sure your eye test. Better than any metric right?

Its SOS pesik not player comparisons, the metrics judge you on the same things every year. Your schedules were bottom of the NCAA sorry, fact.

Ok state has a losing record.

Byu is rated number 86 and and isn't getting 23 wins, with losses probable at San Diego, and vs San Fransisco and Gonzaga, maybe even vs SD at home. As is they are probably outside looking in at post season play if it happened today.

Utah st? Whose best win is Arizona St? Who lost at a terrible San Diego St team? That NET made monstrosity? Who you played at home? Oregon who lost at Texas St with bol bol? That Oregon team?

Gtfo of here, hit the showers your done. You have two better games than USF LSU and Utah St, so yeah your schedules are pretty similar.

Your homerism is really obvious.

USF non conference SOS: 338
UH non conference SOS: 137

NET has spoken
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(02-12-2019 10:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 03:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 01:22 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Well stated! Sampson did the same thing when he became our coach and scheduled better as our teams got better over the last 5 years.

our schedules even when they were bad, were never as bad as usfs this season.... they didnt schedule a team from a top 8 conference..nor any good teams from a lower conference

they played 1 good ooc and it was from a preseason tourney (gtown) .. a tourney that gtown joined last minute (patrick ewing wanted to coach atleast once in hiscountry Jamaica)..the original line up usf signed up for was horrible too

even our bad schedules for the 1st 2 years had LSU, rhode island, harvard, texas tech and a murray state (who was good then, technically still are)

Something about this seemed off, because I remembered some pretty putrid OOC schedules early on when UH and SMU were rebuilding. And sure enough, this was not the case.

Sampson’s first two years Houston had an OOC SOS ranking of 350 and 350 according to KenPom. By the RPI method, it was 345 and 302.

USF this year is 349 and 337.

Gregory has a responsibility to do what’s best for the program and an incentive to do what’s best for him. Considering what everyone that the bulls had, both of those point toward a strategy of getting some fluff wins and puffing the confidence of his team a bit to show they are making progress.

Now if the league wants to do a scheduling mandate, I’m good with that, because it’s best for the league for that to happen. But don’t act like your boy Kelvin wasn’t thinking the exact same thing as Gregory his first two years.

we played LSU with ben simmons, rhode island with hurly, harvard when they were considered good, we had texas tech..we had murray state who was extremely good... and these werent preseason tourneys these were home and home games that we planned for...

we had numerous cupcakes but we also legitimate games....

usf played 1 non horrific team, and it was a preseason tourney...note goergetwon wasnt in the tourney when usf entered it and didnt know theyd be playing in it...gtown was the last team only 7months before it happened

again i never said dont schedule bad.. i said there should be limit to how bad

if you think our schedule was similar you are missing the entire point...whever kenpom thinks (who still doesnt have houston in the top 18 and thinks our schedule this year is just as bad as those years)

Texas Tech was a preseason tourney, and you can’t throw out Murray St and Harvard as a legitimate suggestion for a game changer schedule. Only one of the teams you mentioned was a tourney team, and that’s because if their auto bid. Those were likely meant to be learning experiences for his guys on the road that ended up being solid games. Again, playing road games that aren’t in a hornets nest when you are rebuilding is smart. Sampson isn’t a fool.

And what’s your suggestion for USF exactly? If only they had scheduled a couple Top 50 games and lost them, then they’d be a bubble team? Nah, they’d be in the same position they are now. I don’t see them beating top 50 teams this year, not that it should denigrate how good they’ve been. They are just having a breakout year.

For the record, I’m with you on the scheduling mandate, but I don’t blame USF one bit for what they did. It was the right strategy for them.
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(02-12-2019 11:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  By the way that's off the top of my head but you are being disingenuous at best with that nonsense you just pulled from your behind. By two different metrics it is clear your schedules were equivalent. Careful when you fall off that high horse it's a long ways back to where you actually are.

you are the one being disingenious...you dont schedule with insight of the future, coaches are fortune tellers

lsu was a NIT team with ben simmons but was a preseason top 15 team, when we scheduled,..the boise stae team we schedule was a 25 win tournament team

if usf scheduled WVU (who was elite last eyear but unexpectedly trash this year) i think we would all understand ..

usf scheduled all horrible teams ..teams that had no chance to be good...they didnt schedule a team in a top 8 league, didnt not schedule a team projected top 4 in their low level conference...
the only good team they played in OOC was bad last year and usf didnt even know they would play them (gtown joined the jamaica classic last minute for ewing)

you are being disingenuous if you think they are the same thing

also those measures say our schedule this year is just as bad as usf this year (even though we played a top 15 lsu, oregon with bol bol, utah state who is currently on the bubble, @okstate, @byu, a likely 23+ win njit) ...dont fall in love with those metrics

Sure your eye test. Better than any metric right?

Its SOS pesik not player comparisons, the metrics judge you on the same things every year. Your schedules were bottom of the NCAA sorry, fact.

Ok state has a losing record.

Byu is rated number 86 and and isn't getting 23 wins, with losses probable at San Diego, and vs San Fransisco and Gonzaga, maybe even vs SD at home. As is they are probably outside looking in at post season play if it happened today.

Utah st? Whose best win is Arizona St? Who lost at a terrible San Diego St team? That NET made monstrosity? Who you played at home? Oregon who lost at Texas St with bol bol? That Oregon team?

Gtfo of here, hit the showers your done. You have two better games than USF LSU and Utah St, so yeah your schedules are pretty similar.

Your homerism is really obvious.

Utah stat is 39 in the net, and listed on the first 4 out or next for out in most bracketlology

oklahoma state is 77 in NET, byu is 86

my 23 win comment was for NJIT not byu

you realize kenny wooten was injured and couldnt play for oregon vs texas state (oregons best defensive player, listed as the best shot blocker in the nation..he played vs houston)...and yes tha oregon team, the one that is currently top 5 in the pac 12 without bol bol ,and wooten missing games in January ..currently 70th in the NET

St louis was a tourney lock as well until 4 weeks ago when their all american freshmen decided to be a mid year transfer 9for a reason still unknown), and lost 5 of their last 6 ..after starting 14-4

and to be clear you think usf schedule and Houstons schedule is similar this year?
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RE: AAC Conference Tournament Bracketology
(02-12-2019 11:38 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 03:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 01:22 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  Well stated! Sampson did the same thing when he became our coach and scheduled better as our teams got better over the last 5 years.

our schedules even when they were bad, were never as bad as usfs this season.... they didnt schedule a team from a top 8 conference..nor any good teams from a lower conference

they played 1 good ooc and it was from a preseason tourney (gtown) .. a tourney that gtown joined last minute (patrick ewing wanted to coach atleast once in hiscountry Jamaica)..the original line up usf signed up for was horrible too

even our bad schedules for the 1st 2 years had LSU, rhode island, harvard, texas tech and a murray state (who was good then, technically still are)

Something about this seemed off, because I remembered some pretty putrid OOC schedules early on when UH and SMU were rebuilding. And sure enough, this was not the case.

Sampson’s first two years Houston had an OOC SOS ranking of 350 and 350 according to KenPom. By the RPI method, it was 345 and 302.

USF this year is 349 and 337.

Gregory has a responsibility to do what’s best for the program and an incentive to do what’s best for him. Considering what everyone that the bulls had, both of those point toward a strategy of getting some fluff wins and puffing the confidence of his team a bit to show they are making progress.

Now if the league wants to do a scheduling mandate, I’m good with that, because it’s best for the league for that to happen. But don’t act like your boy Kelvin wasn’t thinking the exact same thing as Gregory his first two years.

we played LSU with ben simmons, rhode island with hurly, harvard when they were considered good, we had texas tech..we had murray state who was extremely good... and these werent preseason tourneys these were home and home games that we planned for...

we had numerous cupcakes but we also legitimate games....

usf played 1 non horrific team, and it was a preseason tourney...note goergetwon wasnt in the tourney when usf entered it and didnt know theyd be playing in it...gtown was the last team only 7months before it happened

again i never said dont schedule bad.. i said there should be limit to how bad

if you think our schedule was similar you are missing the entire point...whever kenpom thinks (who still doesnt have houston in the top 18 and thinks our schedule this year is just as bad as those years)

Texas Tech was a preseason tourney, and you can’t throw out Murray St and Harvard as a legitimate suggestion for a game changer schedule. Only one of the teams you mentioned was a tourney team, and that’s because if their auto bid. Those were likely meant to be learning experiences for his guys on the road that ended up being solid games. Again, playing road games that aren’t in a hornets nest when you are rebuilding is smart. Sampson isn’t a fool.

And what’s your suggestion for USF exactly? If only they had scheduled a couple Top 50 games and lost them, then they’d be a bubble team? Nah, they’d be in the same position they are now. I don’t see them beating top 50 teams this year, not that it should denigrate how good they’ve been. They are just having a breakout year.

For the record, I’m with you on the scheduling mandate, but I don’t blame USF one bit for what they did. It was the right strategy for them.

I understand their scheduling strategy for this year and agree you can't fault them for it. With that said, I think Pesik is right to argue that USF winning any of its games against the AAC's top four would be detrimental to the conference's at large chances.
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RE: AAC Conference Tournament Bracketology
(02-12-2019 11:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  By the way that's off the top of my head but you are being disingenuous at best with that nonsense you just pulled from your behind. By two different metrics it is clear your schedules were equivalent. Careful when you fall off that high horse it's a long ways back to where you actually are.

you are the one being disingenious...you dont schedule with insight of the future, coaches are fortune tellers

lsu was a NIT team with ben simmons but was a preseason top 15 team, when we scheduled,..the boise stae team we schedule was a 25 win tournament team

if usf scheduled WVU (who was elite last eyear but unexpectedly trash this year) i think we would all understand ..

usf scheduled all horrible teams ..teams that had no chance to be good...they didnt schedule a team in a top 8 league, didnt not schedule a team projected top 4 in their low level conference...
the only good team they played in OOC was bad last year and usf didnt even know they would play them (gtown joined the jamaica classic last minute for ewing)

you are being disingenuous if you think they are the same thing

also those measures say our schedule this year is just as bad as usf this year (even though we played a top 15 lsu, oregon with bol bol, utah state who is currently on the bubble, @okstate, @byu, a likely 23+ win njit) ...dont fall in love with those metrics

Sure your eye test. Better than any metric right?

Its SOS pesik not player comparisons, the metrics judge you on the same things every year. Your schedules were bottom of the NCAA sorry, fact.

Ok state has a losing record.

Byu is rated number 86 and and isn't getting 23 wins, with losses probable at San Diego, and vs San Fransisco and Gonzaga, maybe even vs SD at home. As is they are probably outside looking in at post season play if it happened today.

Utah st? Whose best win is Arizona St? Who lost at a terrible San Diego St team? That NET made monstrosity? Who you played at home? Oregon who lost at Texas St with bol bol? That Oregon team?

Gtfo of here, hit the showers your done. You have two better games than USF LSU and Utah St, so yeah your schedules are pretty similar.

Your homerism is really obvious.

Utah stat is 39 in the net, and listed on the first 4 out or next for out in most bracketlology

oklahoma state is 77 in NET, byu is 86

my 23 win comment was for NJIT not byu

you realize kenny wooten was injured and couldnt play for oregon vs texas state (oregons best defensive player, listed as the best shot blocker in the nation..he played vs houston)...and yes tha oregon team, the one that is currently top 5 in the pac 12 without bol bol ,and wooten missing games in January ..currently 70th in the NET

St louis was a tourney lock as well until 4 weeks ago when their all american freshmen decided to be a mid year transfer 9for a reason still unknown), and lost 5 of their last 6 ..after starting 14-4

and to be clear you think usf schedule and Houstons schedule is similar this year?

You get credit for winning games, not simply for just showing up and playing them. That’s the difference between these two situations. Unless you think USF is good enough to win a couple early strong OOC games (and to be clear, I don’t), then this would have done them absolutely no good.

By the way, NET actually diminished the concept of SoS from the early returns. It’s better to simply win games, especially by a lot then to play a tough schedule. Most teams that beat up on weak schedules are quite a bit higher in NET than the RPI.
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RE: AAC Conference Tournament Bracketology
(02-12-2019 11:43 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:38 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 03:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  our schedules even when they were bad, were never as bad as usfs this season.... they didnt schedule a team from a top 8 conference..nor any good teams from a lower conference

they played 1 good ooc and it was from a preseason tourney (gtown) .. a tourney that gtown joined last minute (patrick ewing wanted to coach atleast once in hiscountry Jamaica)..the original line up usf signed up for was horrible too

even our bad schedules for the 1st 2 years had LSU, rhode island, harvard, texas tech and a murray state (who was good then, technically still are)

Something about this seemed off, because I remembered some pretty putrid OOC schedules early on when UH and SMU were rebuilding. And sure enough, this was not the case.

Sampson’s first two years Houston had an OOC SOS ranking of 350 and 350 according to KenPom. By the RPI method, it was 345 and 302.

USF this year is 349 and 337.

Gregory has a responsibility to do what’s best for the program and an incentive to do what’s best for him. Considering what everyone that the bulls had, both of those point toward a strategy of getting some fluff wins and puffing the confidence of his team a bit to show they are making progress.

Now if the league wants to do a scheduling mandate, I’m good with that, because it’s best for the league for that to happen. But don’t act like your boy Kelvin wasn’t thinking the exact same thing as Gregory his first two years.

we played LSU with ben simmons, rhode island with hurly, harvard when they were considered good, we had texas tech..we had murray state who was extremely good... and these werent preseason tourneys these were home and home games that we planned for...

we had numerous cupcakes but we also legitimate games....

usf played 1 non horrific team, and it was a preseason tourney...note goergetwon wasnt in the tourney when usf entered it and didnt know theyd be playing in it...gtown was the last team only 7months before it happened

again i never said dont schedule bad.. i said there should be limit to how bad

if you think our schedule was similar you are missing the entire point...whever kenpom thinks (who still doesnt have houston in the top 18 and thinks our schedule this year is just as bad as those years)

Texas Tech was a preseason tourney, and you can’t throw out Murray St and Harvard as a legitimate suggestion for a game changer schedule. Only one of the teams you mentioned was a tourney team, and that’s because if their auto bid. Those were likely meant to be learning experiences for his guys on the road that ended up being solid games. Again, playing road games that aren’t in a hornets nest when you are rebuilding is smart. Sampson isn’t a fool.

And what’s your suggestion for USF exactly? If only they had scheduled a couple Top 50 games and lost them, then they’d be a bubble team? Nah, they’d be in the same position they are now. I don’t see them beating top 50 teams this year, not that it should denigrate how good they’ve been. They are just having a breakout year.

For the record, I’m with you on the scheduling mandate, but I don’t blame USF one bit for what they did. It was the right strategy for them.

I understand their scheduling strategy for this year and agree you can't fault them for it. With that said, I think Pesik is right to argue that USF winning any of its games against the AAC's top four would be detrimental to the conference's at large chances.

That part I agree with, but if Temple and UCF are tournament worthy teams, then they should be winning those games. It’s completely within their control. It’s not USFs job to make sure Temple and UCF can earn their way into the tourney.

I simply disgareed with the argument that USF has a poor scheduling philosophy, and more so with the statement that somehow Houston did something different on their way up the mountain.
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RE: AAC Conference Tournament Bracketology
(02-12-2019 11:52 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:43 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 11:38 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-12-2019 10:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Something about this seemed off, because I remembered some pretty putrid OOC schedules early on when UH and SMU were rebuilding. And sure enough, this was not the case.

Sampson’s first two years Houston had an OOC SOS ranking of 350 and 350 according to KenPom. By the RPI method, it was 345 and 302.

USF this year is 349 and 337.

Gregory has a responsibility to do what’s best for the program and an incentive to do what’s best for him. Considering what everyone that the bulls had, both of those point toward a strategy of getting some fluff wins and puffing the confidence of his team a bit to show they are making progress.

Now if the league wants to do a scheduling mandate, I’m good with that, because it’s best for the league for that to happen. But don’t act like your boy Kelvin wasn’t thinking the exact same thing as Gregory his first two years.

we played LSU with ben simmons, rhode island with hurly, harvard when they were considered good, we had texas tech..we had murray state who was extremely good... and these werent preseason tourneys these were home and home games that we planned for...

we had numerous cupcakes but we also legitimate games....

usf played 1 non horrific team, and it was a preseason tourney...note goergetwon wasnt in the tourney when usf entered it and didnt know theyd be playing in it...gtown was the last team only 7months before it happened

again i never said dont schedule bad.. i said there should be limit to how bad

if you think our schedule was similar you are missing the entire point...whever kenpom thinks (who still doesnt have houston in the top 18 and thinks our schedule this year is just as bad as those years)

Texas Tech was a preseason tourney, and you can’t throw out Murray St and Harvard as a legitimate suggestion for a game changer schedule. Only one of the teams you mentioned was a tourney team, and that’s because if their auto bid. Those were likely meant to be learning experiences for his guys on the road that ended up being solid games. Again, playing road games that aren’t in a hornets nest when you are rebuilding is smart. Sampson isn’t a fool.

And what’s your suggestion for USF exactly? If only they had scheduled a couple Top 50 games and lost them, then they’d be a bubble team? Nah, they’d be in the same position they are now. I don’t see them beating top 50 teams this year, not that it should denigrate how good they’ve been. They are just having a breakout year.

For the record, I’m with you on the scheduling mandate, but I don’t blame USF one bit for what they did. It was the right strategy for them.

I understand their scheduling strategy for this year and agree you can't fault them for it. With that said, I think Pesik is right to argue that USF winning any of its games against the AAC's top four would be detrimental to the conference's at large chances.

That part I agree with, but if Temple and UCF are tournament worthy teams, then they should be winning those games. It’s completely within their control. It’s not USFs job to make sure Temple and UCF can earn their way into the tourney.

I simply disgareed with the argument that USF has a poor scheduling philosophy, and more so with the statement that somehow Houston did something different on their way up the mountain.

Also a fair statement. I actually really like this USF team and personally wouldn't mind seeing them knock off UCF (I like seeing overrated teams lose). I think UH has shown a good recipe for managing your NET. Schedule 6-7 weak games early to run up your efficiency metrics and build team confidence, and then 6-7 tough games to round into form for conference play as well as to notch a couple quality wins.
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