(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

Whataboutism defined

(02-12-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

The FBI and DOJ openly admitted in emails that they were willing to MODIFY an active investigation into the democratic candidate in exchange for some favors. I'm not sure why your brain doesnt absorb the magnitude of that.

If true, sure it's significant. I was just too busy picking my jaw up off the floor by the poster acting like there's been no corruption in the trump administration and/or campaign.

(02-12-2019 02:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

Ummmm... Isn't that a variation of "whataboutism"???

So?

But I'm not acting like there was no issues with Hillary and/or the Obama administration like this poster seems to be saying about trump.

(02-12-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

The FBI and DOJ openly admitted in emails that they were willing to MODIFY an active investigation into the democratic candidate in exchange for some favors. I'm not sure why your brain doesnt absorb the magnitude of that.

If true, sure it's significant. I was just too busy picking my jaw up off the floor by the poster acting like there's been no corruption in the trump administration and/or campaign.

All you needed to state is in bold. The rest is nothing more than more whataboutism...

(02-12-2019 03:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

Ummmm... Isn't that a variation of "whataboutism"???

It's a full blown version of whataboutism. It's also an attempt to derail the topic with a totally unrelated topic.

Pfft...like anyone could EVER get you guys to stop obsessing with HRC.

(02-12-2019 03:46 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

The FBI and DOJ openly admitted in emails that they were willing to MODIFY an active investigation into the democratic candidate in exchange for some favors. I'm not sure why your brain doesnt absorb the magnitude of that.

If true, sure it's significant. I was just too busy picking my jaw up off the floor by the poster acting like there's been no corruption in the trump administration and/or campaign.

All you needed to state is in bold. The rest is nothing more than more whataboutism...

SO
*******
WHAT!

(02-12-2019 03:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

Ummmm... Isn't that a variation of "whataboutism"???

It's a full blown version of whataboutism. It's also an attempt to derail the topic with a totally unrelated topic.

Pfft...like anyone could EVER get you guys to stop obsessing with HRC.

(02-12-2019 02:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  This is so much worse than Watergate.

The FBI didn't cooperate with Watergate.

Of course, one thing is in common. Hillary lied then when she was working on the investigation and got rejected by her boss. This time her boss was the American people.

This is "Deep State" and why the FBI has to remain politically unaffiliated. Jail time is warranted here and a complete clean out of the FBI.

When is Barr confirmed? Maybe a valentines gift?

(02-12-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

The FBI and DOJ openly admitted in emails that they were willing to MODIFY an active investigation into the democratic candidate in exchange for some favors. I'm not sure why your brain doesnt absorb the magnitude of that.

If true, sure it's significant. I was just too busy picking my jaw up off the floor by the poster acting like there's been no corruption in the trump administration and/or campaign.

Well sport, your buds have spent (I should say wasted) millions of taxpayer dollars and have proven none of their allegations. But, I suppose "you're one too 'ism" needs to be spelled out in board protocol.

But since the Trump witch hunt has begun the only things uncovered and proven so far are all of the non registered who voted in Texas, willful non compliance with voting law in Broward county in Florida, Hillary's nefarious activities, and now the spurious and biased nature of an FBI willing to wheel and deal over national security to aggrandize their own power and politics, types of Democrat boondoggles.

But please go on projecting that all of the filth practiced by the Left also exist on the Right. i'm sure there is some, but the scale and depth of it would pale into insignificance compared to the last 8 years before Trump.

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

No.
But you can......in another thread JOff.

(02-12-2019 03:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:46 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

The FBI and DOJ openly admitted in emails that they were willing to MODIFY an active investigation into the democratic candidate in exchange for some favors. I'm not sure why your brain doesnt absorb the magnitude of that.

If true, sure it's significant. I was just too busy picking my jaw up off the floor by the poster acting like there's been no corruption in the trump administration and/or campaign.

All you needed to state is in bold. The rest is nothing more than more whataboutism...

SO
*******
WHAT!

So? Let's dance!!!

(02-12-2019 03:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 12:52 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

The FBI and DOJ openly admitted in emails that they were willing to MODIFY an active investigation into the democratic candidate in exchange for some favors. I'm not sure why your brain doesnt absorb the magnitude of that.

If true, sure it's significant. I was just too busy picking my jaw up off the floor by the poster acting like there's been no corruption in the trump administration and/or campaign.

Well sport, your buds have spent (I should say wasted) millions of taxpayer dollars and have proven none of their allegations. But, I suppose "you're one too 'ism" needs to be spelled out in board protocol.

What are you even talking about? It it's Mueller, the probe is for way more than just collusion...in fact, collusion isn't even mentioned in its origin. Not to mention that they've uncovered scores of crimes and have also garnered millions in fines and fees from the witches they've found so far.

(02-12-2019 03:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  But since the Trump witch hunt has begun the only things uncovered and proven so far are all of the non registered who voted in Texas, willful non compliance with voting law in Broward county in Florida, Hillary's nefarious activities, and now the spurious and biased nature of an FBI willing to wheel and deal over national security to aggrandize their own power and politics, types of Democrat boondoggles.

But please go on projecting that all of the filth practiced by the Left also exist on the Right. i'm sure there is some, but the scale and depth of it would pale into insignificance compared to the last 8 years before Trump.

And lastly, you're misunderstanding my comment. I'm not saying anything trump has done has excused any wrongs committed by the left or HRC or prior administrations. I'm just trying to ascertain whether the poster really believes that there has been no corruption under trump...which clearly their has...and tons of it!

(02-12-2019 04:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

The FBI and DOJ openly admitted in emails that they were willing to MODIFY an active investigation into the democratic candidate in exchange for some favors. I'm not sure why your brain doesnt absorb the magnitude of that.

If true, sure it's significant. I was just too busy picking my jaw up off the floor by the poster acting like there's been no corruption in the trump administration and/or campaign.

Well sport, your buds have spent (I should say wasted) millions of taxpayer dollars and have proven none of their allegations. But, I suppose "you're one too 'ism" needs to be spelled out in board protocol.

What are you even talking about? It it's Mueller, the probe is for way more than just collusion...in fact, collusion isn't even mentioned in its origin. Not to mention that they've uncovered scores of crimes and have also garnered millions in fines and fees from the witches they've found so far.

(02-12-2019 03:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  But since the Trump witch hunt has begun the only things uncovered and proven so far are all of the non registered who voted in Texas, willful non compliance with voting law in Broward county in Florida, Hillary's nefarious activities, and now the spurious and biased nature of an FBI willing to wheel and deal over national security to aggrandize their own power and politics, types of Democrat boondoggles.

But please go on projecting that all of the filth practiced by the Left also exist on the Right. i'm sure there is some, but the scale and depth of it would pale into insignificance compared to the last 8 years before Trump.

And lastly, you're misunderstanding my comment. I'm not saying anything trump has done has excused any wrongs committed by the left or HRC or prior administrations. I'm just trying to ascertain whether the poster really believes that there has been no corruption under trump...which clearly their has...and tons of it!

And their you have it. Their has been because he says so. Their is so much their their we just got to see it. It’s their right in front of there face.

(02-12-2019 04:36 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 04:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The FBI and DOJ openly admitted in emails that they were willing to MODIFY an active investigation into the democratic candidate in exchange for some favors. I'm not sure why your brain doesnt absorb the magnitude of that.

If true, sure it's significant. I was just too busy picking my jaw up off the floor by the poster acting like there's been no corruption in the trump administration and/or campaign.

Well sport, your buds have spent (I should say wasted) millions of taxpayer dollars and have proven none of their allegations. But, I suppose "you're one too 'ism" needs to be spelled out in board protocol.

What are you even talking about? It it's Mueller, the probe is for way more than just collusion...in fact, collusion isn't even mentioned in its origin. Not to mention that they've uncovered scores of crimes and have also garnered millions in fines and fees from the witches they've found so far.

(02-12-2019 03:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  But since the Trump witch hunt has begun the only things uncovered and proven so far are all of the non registered who voted in Texas, willful non compliance with voting law in Broward county in Florida, Hillary's nefarious activities, and now the spurious and biased nature of an FBI willing to wheel and deal over national security to aggrandize their own power and politics, types of Democrat boondoggles.

But please go on projecting that all of the filth practiced by the Left also exist on the Right. i'm sure there is some, but the scale and depth of it would pale into insignificance compared to the last 8 years before Trump.

And lastly, you're misunderstanding my comment. I'm not saying anything trump has done has excused any wrongs committed by the left or HRC or prior administrations. I'm just trying to ascertain whether the poster really believes that there has been no corruption under trump...which clearly their has...and tons of it!

And their you have it. Their has been because he says so. Their is so much their their we just got to see it. It’s their right in front of there face.

No THERE THERE?...

Get your head out of the sand!

Trump’s Corruption: The Definitive List

“The Dunning-Kruger effect holds that individuals with little knowledge about a topic will be, paradoxically, the most confident that they know a lot about the topic."

(02-12-2019 04:46 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  “The Dunning-Kruger effect holds that individuals with little knowledge about a topic will be, paradoxically, the most confident that they know a lot about the topic."

Everything Trump says he knows "more about than anybody"

(02-12-2019 03:48 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  This is so much worse than Watergate.

The FBI didn't cooperate with Watergate.

Of course, one thing is in common. Hillary lied then when she was working on the investigation and got rejected by her boss. This time her boss was the American people.

This is "Deep State" and why the FBI has to remain politically unaffiliated. Jail time is warranted here and a complete clean out of the FBI.

When is Barr confirmed? Maybe a valentines gift?

We are on the timeline they published on the 7th now. They said the 4 or 5 business days which puts us in the beginning of that window. Rand Paul has come out against so there may be some nose counting going on before the vote is called.

(02-12-2019 04:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm just trying to ascertain whether the poster really believes that there has been no corruption under trump...which clearly their has...and tons of it!

The only person saying that in this thread is you.

Here is the post you first started your whataboutism and attempt to derail the thread tactics on:

Quote:God bless Trump and everyone who voted for him. This corruption would be completely out of control now with no knowledge of it by the public had that criminal been elected POTUS.

Nowhere in that does it say what you are trying to say it says. The bold makes it obvious that his comment was about this exposed corruption. The only mention of Trump was being thankful he was elected so that this corruption involving the Dept of Justice, the upper levels of the top law enforcement agency in this country, a leftist political candidate and another branch of a leftist led government was exposed.

So now that brings three types of defense mechanisms you attempted to defend your fellow leftists: whataboutism, topic derailment, and strawman argument. What a sad, sad person you are.

(02-12-2019 04:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 01:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Curious, can you name even one incident of corruption in trump's administration so far, and then condemn it?

The FBI and DOJ openly admitted in emails that they were willing to MODIFY an active investigation into the democratic candidate in exchange for some favors. I'm not sure why your brain doesnt absorb the magnitude of that.

If true, sure it's significant. I was just too busy picking my jaw up off the floor by the poster acting like there's been no corruption in the trump administration and/or campaign.

Well sport, your buds have spent (I should say wasted) millions of taxpayer dollars and have proven none of their allegations. But, I suppose "you're one too 'ism" needs to be spelled out in board protocol.

What are you even talking about? 1. It it's Mueller, the probe is for way more than just collusion...in fact, collusion isn't even mentioned in its origin. Not to mention that they've uncovered scores of crimes and have also garnered millions in fines and fees from the witches they've found so far.

(02-12-2019 03:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  But since the Trump witch hunt has begun the only things uncovered and proven so far are all of the non registered who voted in Texas, willful non compliance with voting law in Broward county in Florida, Hillary's nefarious activities, and now the spurious and biased nature of an FBI willing to wheel and deal over national security to aggrandize their own power and politics, types of Democrat boondoggles.

But please go on projecting that all of the filth practiced by the Left also exist on the Right. i'm sure there is some, but the scale and depth of it would pale into insignificance compared to the last 8 years before Trump.

And lastly, you're misunderstanding my comment. I'm not saying anything trump has done has excused any wrongs committed by the left or HRC or prior administrations. 2. I'm just trying to ascertain whether the poster really believes that there has been no corruption under trump...which clearly their has...and tons of it!

1. Mueller has intimidated some confessions to crimes (that those who had their records seized) which were not even covered within the search warrant. That they could concoct charges and then give a light sentence in exchange for a meaningless confession is just further proof of the corruption of the FBI.

It's bush league Gestapo like tactics.

2. "Tons of stuff?" No. So far they've got Nada on Trump. Some of his cohorts had ancillary issues many stemming from naive, sloppy, or buffoon like handling of matters, but nothing that wreaked of being nefarious.

It's just an overall criminal effort by the top of the FBI and their allegiances to the win at all costs mindset of most left leaners is unmistakable and damning. Quite frankly when you see that most of this effort has essentially been a non violent coup d'etat I think stiff prison sentences are called for. There's your nefarious behavior!

But stopping with the FBI culpability would be a mistake. We need to track those activities back to the parties whose behest they were acting upon and lock them up as well.

Too bad firing squads are out of vogue!

(02-12-2019 04:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 03:48 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  This is so much worse than Watergate.

The FBI didn't cooperate with Watergate.

Of course, one thing is in common. Hillary lied then when she was working on the investigation and got rejected by her boss. This time her boss was the American people.

This is "Deep State" and why the FBI has to remain politically unaffiliated. Jail time is warranted here and a complete clean out of the FBI.

When is Barr confirmed? Maybe a valentines gift?

We are on the timeline they published on the 7th now. They said the 4 or 5 business days which puts us in the beginning of that window. Rand Paul has come out against so there may be some nose counting going on before the vote is called.

I'm in the middle of three other things, so don't feel like looking.

What's Rands problem this time?