(02-11-2019 01:56 PM)tccoog10 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 01:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 11:47 AM)tccoog10 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 09:36 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Here's how the AAC looks just past the halfway mark in conf play:

Announced Attendance Average for AAC Conf Games:
(Most teams conf game attendance average went UP over the past few weeks...as some of the first conf games were played during holiday break when many students were not on campus. (Or for UCF...most of their diehard fans were either still in PHX or trying to fly home from NYD6 Bowl Game when UCF hosted a conf game on Jan 2nd).

Memphis: 16,156 89%
Cincinnati: 11,030 91%
Wichita St: 10,297 98%
UCONN: 8,711 71%
Houston: 6,812 97%
Temple: 6,139 60%
SMU: 5,879 84%
UCF: 4,808 48%
usf: 4,257 41%
ECU: 4,129 52%
Tulsa: 4,080 49%
Tulane: 1,558 43%

Updated to include average percent to capacity. And, yes, Memphis fans, we know you don't think percent to capacity is relevant. The rest of us do, so maybe sit this one out.

If its important, then its worth noting that Memphis's attendance is currently at 230% capacity of Houstons arena.

Memphis fans are so sensitive. You guys have a great following, and draw great crowds in a huge arena. None of the "percent of capacity" stuff is a shot at Memphis or anybody else. It just demonstrates who is filling their arena up. Memphis is at 90% in a rebuilding year with a brand new coach. Relax.

I agree both are relevant, but which is more important?

(02-11-2019 02:23 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 01:56 PM)tccoog10 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 01:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 11:47 AM)tccoog10 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 09:36 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Here's how the AAC looks just past the halfway mark in conf play:

Announced Attendance Average for AAC Conf Games:
(Most teams conf game attendance average went UP over the past few weeks...as some of the first conf games were played during holiday break when many students were not on campus. (Or for UCF...most of their diehard fans were either still in PHX or trying to fly home from NYD6 Bowl Game when UCF hosted a conf game on Jan 2nd).

Memphis: 16,156 89%
Cincinnati: 11,030 91%
Wichita St: 10,297 98%
UCONN: 8,711 71%
Houston: 6,812 97%
Temple: 6,139 60%
SMU: 5,879 84%
UCF: 4,808 48%
usf: 4,257 41%
ECU: 4,129 52%
Tulsa: 4,080 49%
Tulane: 1,558 43%

Updated to include average percent to capacity. And, yes, Memphis fans, we know you don't think percent to capacity is relevant. The rest of us do, so maybe sit this one out.

If its important, then its worth noting that Memphis's attendance is currently at 230% capacity of Houstons arena.

Memphis fans are so sensitive. You guys have a great following, and draw great crowds in a huge arena. None of the "percent of capacity" stuff is a shot at Memphis or anybody else. It just demonstrates who is filling their arena up. Memphis is at 90% in a rebuilding year with a brand new coach. Relax.

I agree both are relevant, but which is more important?

Depends on the program. For Memphis, you guys obviously aren't changing arenas anytime soon, you have an established program with fan support, etc., so the butts in seats number is more important for you.

For Houston, the percent to capacity number is way more important. Our attendance numbers and fan interest have been dreadful for 25 years, so we need to fill the gym we have and prove as a fanbase that we will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

(02-11-2019 02:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Last game capacity percent:
Wofford 100%
Houston 100%

Last game announced attendance:
Wofford 3,400
Houston 7,039

Great for both programs, obviously have their fan base energized. What's your point?

As long as we have 5 teams out of 12 averaging 5k or less, we are going to be seen as mid major because honestly, that's what it is. Just pathetic.

(02-11-2019 02:39 PM)tccoog10 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 02:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Last game capacity percent:
Wofford 100%
Houston 100%

Last game announced attendance:
Wofford 3,400
Houston 7,039

Great for both programs, obviously have their fan base energized. What's your point?

Of the two metrics, which is more important in measuring attendance?

(02-11-2019 10:59 AM)geef Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 09:36 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Here's how the AAC looks just past the halfway mark in conf play:

Announced Attendance Average for AAC Conf Games:
(Most teams conf game attendance average went UP over the past few weeks...as some of the first conf games were played during holiday break when many students were not on campus. (Or for UCF...most of their diehard fans were either still in PHX or trying to fly home from NYD6 Bowl Game when UCF hosted a conf game on Jan 2nd).

Memphis: 16,156
Cincinnati: 11,030
Wichita St: 10,297
UCONN: 8,711
Houston: 6,812
Temple: 6,139
SMU: 5,879
UCF: 4,808
usf: 4,257
ECU: 4,129
Tulsa: 4,080
Tulane: 1,558

Are UCF fans still on their way back from Arizona?

Juan and Juliet took a stage coach...so right now they just crossed the Mississippi River, so they should be back home in a few weeks.

(02-11-2019 02:52 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 02:39 PM)tccoog10 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 02:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Last game capacity percent:
Wofford 100%
Houston 100%

Last game announced attendance:
Wofford 3,400
Houston 7,039

Great for both programs, obviously have their fan base energized. What's your point?

Of the two metrics, which is more important in measuring attendance?

Like I said before, for Houston, percent of capacity is more important. Other schools, with more recent tradition and success, the total attendance number is obviously more important. But for us, not so.

(02-11-2019 02:59 PM)tccoog10 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 02:52 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 02:39 PM)tccoog10 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 02:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Last game capacity percent:
Wofford 100%
Houston 100%

Last game announced attendance:
Wofford 3,400
Houston 7,039

Great for both programs, obviously have their fan base energized. What's your point?

Of the two metrics, which is more important in measuring attendance?

Like I said before, for Houston, percent of capacity is more important. Other schools, with more recent tradition and success, the total attendance number is obviously more important. But for us, not so.

The way I look at it is percent of capacity means how much of an existing facility is filled with fans while attendance means fans announced going to the games. Success, to me, is not measured by filling a small venue. Otherwise, Wofford is just as successful with attendance as Houston and clearly that is not the case.

Capacity percentage is relevant because it indicates demand relative to supply. At Memphis last season, both metrics were dismal and contributed greatly to Tubby's dismissal.

Why are we using conference only numbers?

Does the rest of the season not count? Or does it help certain people to look better? *cough OP school cough*

(02-11-2019 02:52 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 02:39 PM)tccoog10 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 02:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Last game capacity percent:
Wofford 100%
Houston 100%

Last game announced attendance:
Wofford 3,400
Houston 7,039

Great for both programs, obviously have their fan base energized. What's your point?

Of the two metrics, which is more important in measuring attendance?

Neither. They are both necessary to judge the well being of a programs support.

It's like asking if someone who weighs 250 lbs is fat. Well that depends is the person 5'1 or 6'10?

Is 7k good support? Well that depends are they selling out? Is it out of 50k or 9k venue.

At 90% of 17k Memphis is in good shape. So was Gonzaga when they had 3k at the tiny Kennel and sold out.

Of course one is in a major metro area and is a public school with a huge enrollment and the other is a private small religious school in a medium sized town.

(02-11-2019 03:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Why are we using conference only numbers?

For years, I have always listed conf game attendance for hoops...because in most of the football crazed "south", hoops takes a big back seat for most programs to football till Spring Semester starts in Jan (right when conf games generally start), hence why virtually every team sees their attendance go UP come conf play.

Also, non-conf hoop schedules vary so much...many are just practice games that even local fans have little interest attending during football season.

Same reasons why conf game STATS give a much more accurate comparison of teams (especially after 5-6 conf games have been played) since again, some non-conf schedule strengths can be soooo different (i.e. say from #89 to #320).

AAC Conf Stat Rankings
https://static.theamerican.org/custompag...nfonly.htm

(02-11-2019 02:11 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Memphis: 16,156
_____________________ above this line is great

_____________________ below this line is weak
Cincinnati: 11,030
Wichita St: 10,297
UCONN: 8,711
Houston: 6,812
Temple: 6,139
SMU: 5,879
UCF: 4,808
usf: 4,257
ECU: 4,129
Tulsa: 4,080
Tulane: 1,558

fyp

(02-11-2019 04:27 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Why are we using conference only numbers?

For years, I have always listed conf game attendance for hoops...because in most of the football crazed "south", hoops takes a big back seat for most programs to football till Spring Semester starts in Jan (right when conf games generally start), hence why virtually every team sees their attendance go UP come conf play.

Also, non-conf hoop schedules vary so much...many are just practice games that even local fans have little interest attending during football season.

Same reasons why conf game STATS give a much more accurate comparison of teams (especially after 5-6 conf games have been played) since again, some non-conf schedule strengths can be soooo different (i.e. say from #89 to #320).

Taking half a season's worth of an unbalanced conference schedule is a better comparison how?

Most of the schools in this conference are not in the football crazy south, one doesn't even have football, several have final 4/championship history in basketball hotbeds. In fact none of your reasoning makes any sense.

Whose attendance goes up?

Temples goes up by playing who? The big five games will always draw best.
UConn goes up by playing who? Have you seen their ooc? Or heard their fans about this conference?

Cincy? Wichita? Memphis? They have their core support and how the team is doing is more important than who they are playing.

Tulsa? Meh, its roughly the same through out. Wichita always pops, SMU and Cincy are usually a draw. But that's about those individual schools (SMU taking Tulsa kids has made it even more so) which is why Wichita has always popped.
SMU? See Tulsa and change a few names around.

Tulane? Does it? I have no idea.
ECU? It might their Lebo ooc have been Baaaaaad though, probably a bigger factor than students or conference play.

That leaves Houston, USF, and UCF. Houston has drawn flies for a while. They're rolling now and the new place is definitely helping, but that's their program increasing its value putting them in line with WSU, Memphis, Cincinnati, UConn, and Temple. USF hasn't drawn well in quite a while with a horrible program. They're decent this year and the improvement may lead to increased attendance but I doubt you can show a consistent bump of importance to attendance for their conference seasons most years.

Finally we come to the answer, for UCF at least according to your reasoning these things matter to UCF's attendance. Looking at your basketball tradition and usually poor ooc schedule and I would say you more likely belong in the group with ECU and Tulane, meaning because your ooc schedule rarely has good teams on it the conference schedule is much more of a draw with better teams on it.

So you choose this metric because it better reflects on your school through framing your attendance in a positive light and creates a set of stats that prove your reasoning for UCF's attendance. Even though most schools have roughly equal number of home games ooc and in. Circle complete.

do tulsane and ecu sit at the very bottom of every AAC metric ever? it really feels like it

(02-11-2019 05:55 PM)Doglando Wrote:  do tulsane and ecu sit at the very bottom of every AAC metric ever? it really feels like it

Sadly no.

Despite UCF's current success in football both Tulsa and Tulane have finished ranked higher and with as many NY6 bowls appearences.

Both have also played for the national championship in college baseball.

(02-11-2019 05:30 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 04:27 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Why are we using conference only numbers?

For years, I have always listed conf game attendance for hoops...because in most of the football crazed "south", hoops takes a big back seat for most programs to football till Spring Semester starts in Jan (right when conf games generally start), hence why virtually every team sees their attendance go UP come conf play.

Also, non-conf hoop schedules vary so much...many are just practice games that even local fans have little interest attending during football season.

Same reasons why conf game STATS give a much more accurate comparison of teams (especially after 5-6 conf games have been played) since again, some non-conf schedule strengths can be soooo different (i.e. say from #89 to #320).

Taking half a season's worth of an unbalanced conference schedule is a better comparison how?

Most of the schools in this conference are not in the football crazy south, one doesn't even have football, several have final 4/championship history in basketball hotbeds. In fact none of your reasoning makes any sense.

Whose attendance goes up?

Temples goes up by playing who? The big five games will always draw best.
UConn goes up by playing who? Have you seen their ooc? Or heard their fans about this conference?

Cincy? Wichita? Memphis? They have their core support and how the team is doing is more important than who they are playing.

Tulsa? Meh, its roughly the same through out. Wichita always pops, SMU and Cincy are usually a draw. But that's about those individual schools (SMU taking Tulsa kids has made it even more so) which is why Wichita has always popped.
SMU? See Tulsa and change a few names around.

Tulane? Does it? I have no idea.
ECU? It might their Lebo ooc have been Baaaaaad though, probably a bigger factor than students or conference play.

That leaves Houston, USF, and UCF. Houston has drawn flies for a while. They're rolling now and the new place is definitely helping, but that's their program increasing its value putting them in line with WSU, Memphis, Cincinnati, UConn, and Temple. USF hasn't drawn well in quite a while with a horrible program. They're decent this year and the improvement may lead to increased attendance but I doubt you can show a consistent bump of importance to attendance for their conference seasons most years.

Finally we come to the answer, for UCF at least according to your reasoning these things matter to UCF's attendance. Looking at your basketball tradition and usually poor ooc schedule and I would say you more likely belong in the group with ECU and Tulane, meaning because your ooc schedule rarely has good teams on it the conference schedule is much more of a draw with better teams on it.

So you choose this metric because it better reflects on your school through framing your attendance in a positive light and creates a set of stats that prove your reasoning for UCF's attendance. Even though most schools have roughly equal number of home games ooc and in. Circle complete.

Incorrect.

Believe 11 of the 12 teams have drawn more in conf play than they did in non conf play.

Sorry you had to type all of those letters to be so wrong.

(02-11-2019 06:14 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 05:55 PM)Doglando Wrote:  do tulsane and ecu sit at the very bottom of every AAC metric ever? it really feels like it

Sadly no.

Despite UCF's current success in football both Tulsa and Tulane have finished ranked higher and with as many NY6 bowls appearences.

Both have also played for the national championship in college baseball.

well i was really only referring to revenue sports in the aac era but congrats..

In future years when the thousands of UCF fans are walking back to Orlando after the Fiesta/ Heart of Dallas/ Armed Forces Bowl, and forced to miss multiple home games, would it make sense for them to stop in Tulsa and New Orleans for games and help boost those schools' attendance?

(02-11-2019 06:16 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 05:30 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 04:27 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 03:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Why are we using conference only numbers?

For years, I have always listed conf game attendance for hoops...because in most of the football crazed "south", hoops takes a big back seat for most programs to football till Spring Semester starts in Jan (right when conf games generally start), hence why virtually every team sees their attendance go UP come conf play.

Also, non-conf hoop schedules vary so much...many are just practice games that even local fans have little interest attending during football season.

Same reasons why conf game STATS give a much more accurate comparison of teams (especially after 5-6 conf games have been played) since again, some non-conf schedule strengths can be soooo different (i.e. say from #89 to #320).

Taking half a season's worth of an unbalanced conference schedule is a better comparison how?

Most of the schools in this conference are not in the football crazy south, one doesn't even have football, several have final 4/championship history in basketball hotbeds. In fact none of your reasoning makes any sense.

Whose attendance goes up?

Temples goes up by playing who? The big five games will always draw best.
UConn goes up by playing who? Have you seen their ooc? Or heard their fans about this conference?

Cincy? Wichita? Memphis? They have their core support and how the team is doing is more important than who they are playing.

Tulsa? Meh, its roughly the same through out. Wichita always pops, SMU and Cincy are usually a draw. But that's about those individual schools (SMU taking Tulsa kids has made it even more so) which is why Wichita has always popped.
SMU? See Tulsa and change a few names around.

Tulane? Does it? I have no idea.
ECU? It might their Lebo ooc have been Baaaaaad though, probably a bigger factor than students or conference play.

That leaves Houston, USF, and UCF. Houston has drawn flies for a while. They're rolling now and the new place is definitely helping, but that's their program increasing its value putting them in line with WSU, Memphis, Cincinnati, UConn, and Temple. USF hasn't drawn well in quite a while with a horrible program. They're decent this year and the improvement may lead to increased attendance but I doubt you can show a consistent bump of importance to attendance for their conference seasons most years.

Finally we come to the answer, for UCF at least according to your reasoning these things matter to UCF's attendance. Looking at your basketball tradition and usually poor ooc schedule and I would say you more likely belong in the group with ECU and Tulane, meaning because your ooc schedule rarely has good teams on it the conference schedule is much more of a draw with better teams on it.

So you choose this metric because it better reflects on your school through framing your attendance in a positive light and creates a set of stats that prove your reasoning for UCF's attendance. Even though most schools have roughly equal number of home games ooc and in. Circle complete.

Incorrect.

Believe 11 of the 12 teams have drawn more in conf play than they did in non conf play.

Sorry you had to type all of those letters to be so wrong.

Lol.

So far. This year, mostly by incredibly small amounts.



Memphis definitely nose dived last year in conference, pretty sure SMU did, so did USF, UConn, Tulsa, ECU. Temple also went down if I remember right.

Tulane had a good team so they might have increased. Wichita was sold out all year so they didn't. Houston might have since they started their run and got ranked. Cincy was in Northern Kentucky so no idea.

Simply put your infatuation with a conference only attendance isn't really based on anything other than your preconceived notions. There is no logically based reason to break out conference only attendance and certainly not mid conference season.

(02-11-2019 06:23 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 06:14 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 05:55 PM)Doglando Wrote:  do tulsane and ecu sit at the very bottom of every AAC metric ever? it really feels like it

Sadly no.

Despite UCF's current success in football both Tulsa and Tulane have finished ranked higher and with as many NY6 bowls appearences.

Both have also played for the national championship in college baseball.

well i was really only referring to revenue sports in the aac era but congrats..

Sure.....

UCF has Alzheimer's, most live in the moment fanbase that exists. It's why I crack up everytime someone busts out the aflac gif of the river dancing ucf girl at an empty stadium.

Sad.

Perhaps one day your entire athletic department will be able to compete without your fanbase having to restrict the parameters to such extremes to make it a positive.

But I got it, when it comes to arbitrary, self selected, incredibly specific instances and for incredibly small time periods, UCF are some real bad asses.

Basically the Yamcha of the AAC.