Good fighting back there at the end and not giving up! Almost pulled it off!!

I haven’t watched either of the last two games. Is our D actually improving?

(02-09-2019 08:24 PM)HAWKING Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 04:00 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 11:53 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Thanks Hawking for the data. That gives EvanJ a pretty good case. I do feel that Devontae can play good post defense but to me it seems that he's too worried about getting a foul called on him. Hope that he can get some good stops tonight because he will generally score enough.

If you’re just going to base opinion off those numbers than okay. Think what you want but you can poll the entire league and I guarantee there’s not another big in the league as difficult to deal with or tougher to play against than Cacok. Knight probably similarly beats Cacok in those numbers and Cacok made him look silly.

You’re also leaving out some other numbers though. How about RPG? How about number of double doubles? How about national major statistics rankings?


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Yes, I didn't include the stat for staying on the floor and trying to avoid silly fouls to give the team a chance.

Hahaha. Need that one! I lol’d.


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Fornes suspended for “violating team rules” it’s like a train wreck I can’t look away

(02-09-2019 11:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Formed suspended for “violating team rules” it’s like a train wreck I can’t look away

Fornes? Link?


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Riley reporting on his Twitter

(02-10-2019 07:08 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 11:20 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Formed suspended for “violating team rules” it’s like a train wreck I can’t look away

Fornes? Link?


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Yup Star news. It was reported in Alex’s postgame story I tried to go back but I’ve exceeded my limit of free articles haha

(02-09-2019 09:38 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I haven’t watched either of the last two games. Is our D actually improving?

I haven't watched either.

We've given up less points with 69 to Drexel and 70 to Delaware.

Drexel

FG 43.6%
3 pt FG% 36.4%
4 blocks
2 steals
8 TO's
Points off TO's - 6
Fast break points - 6

Delaware

FG 52.9%
3 pt. FG 42.9%
1 block
5 steals
11 TO's
Points off TO's - 20
Fast break points - 20

Like the five steals and points off TO's against Delaware. Have no idea why those numbers were better. Seems like we made a nice run near the end, got some TO's and steals, but don't know how we did there the rest of the game. Giving up over 50% and 42.9% from three isn't good defense. Seems like we may have pressed more and taken away posessions to keep the score low.

Drexel overall FG% of 43.6% is much better. 3 pt. fg 36.4 % is better, but still not great.

(02-10-2019 10:24 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 09:38 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I haven’t watched either of the last two games. Is our D actually improving?

I haven't watched either.

We've given up less points with 69 to Drexel and 70 to Delaware.

Drexel

FG 43.6%
3 pt FG% 36.4%
4 blocks
2 steals
8 TO's
Points off TO's - 6
Fast break points - 6

Delaware

FG 52.9%
3 pt. FG 42.9%
1 block
5 steals
11 TO's
Points off TO's - 20
Fast break points - 20

Like the five steals and points off TO's against Delaware. Have no idea why those numbers were better. Seems like we made a nice run near the end, got some TO's and steals, but don't know how we did there the rest of the game. Giving up over 50% and 42.9% from three isn't good defense. Seems like we may have pressed more and taken away posessions to keep the score low.

Drexel overall FG% of 43.6% is much better. 3 pt. fg 36.4 % is better, but still not great.

thanks for taking the time to highlight. I was really just looking at the score. I think it's safe to say that is our best two game D stretch all year? Certainly in conference. I've been hoping to hang my hat on some improvement in D, it appears maybe we've had a bit? Too bad the O hasn't showed up the last two games or we could have two W's

Over the radio it sounded like they were playing harder and getting some deflections. Estime fouled out which is a good sign and we had several guys with fouls. Hawks held the Hens under their average by 1 point and really played well late.

(02-10-2019 02:40 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Over the radio it sounded like they were playing harder and getting some deflections. Estime fouled out which is a good sign and we had several guys with fouls. Hawks held the Hens under their average by 1 point and really played well late.

Ahh. So back to my hypothesis that maybe we need to foul more.....

Estime could not guard Ryan Allen at all. That is where his fouls came from. Heck I don't think anyone stopped Ryan Allen from driving into the lane.

It appeared to me that our run at the end of the game came because Delaware let their foot off the pedal (like we did against W&M). It amazes me that we let them shoot 50%+ from the field, compared to our 38% and we still had a fighting chance in the last minute.

Say what you want about McGrath's X's and O's (I don't think he has done a great job at all so far), but this team still fights when down 20 points. That is a good sign. The players believe in the program, but are just not getting the results. That is something that did not happen during the Benny Moss days. The team quit on him.

(02-10-2019 05:04 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 02:40 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Over the radio it sounded like they were playing harder and getting some deflections. Estime fouled out which is a good sign and we had several guys with fouls. Hawks held the Hens under their average by 1 point and really played well late.

Ahh. So back to my hypothesis that maybe we need to foul more.....

As was mentioned when you made that statement, playing harder and more aggressive on defense is naturally going to result in more fouls

(02-10-2019 08:11 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  It appeared to me that our run at the end of the game came because Delaware let their foot off the pedal (like we did against W&M). It amazes me that we let them shoot 50%+ from the field, compared to our 38% and we still had a fighting chance in the last minute.

Say what you want about McGrath's X's and O's (I don't think he has done a great job at all so far), but this team still fights when down 20 points. That is a good sign. The players believe in the program, but are just not getting the results. That is something that did not happen during the Benny Moss days. The team quit on him.

I get that vibe too. If you look at their body language at the games, they are still fighting.

That is crucial!

(02-10-2019 08:11 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  It appeared to me that our run at the end of the game came because Delaware let their foot off the pedal (like we did against W&M). It amazes me that we let them shoot 50%+ from the field, compared to our 38% and we still had a fighting chance in the last minute.

Say what you want about McGrath's X's and O's (I don't think he has done a great job at all so far), but this team still fights when down 20 points. That is a good sign. The players believe in the program, but are just not getting the results. That is something that did not happen during the Benny Moss days. The team quit on him.

I would have to disagree with the players believing in the program. I would say it is the complete opposite. They fight and show good body language because they are high caliber players, nothing more. No way players can believe in a system that has them losing.

(02-11-2019 09:39 AM)surfsalot Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 08:11 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  It appeared to me that our run at the end of the game came because Delaware let their foot off the pedal (like we did against W&M). It amazes me that we let them shoot 50%+ from the field, compared to our 38% and we still had a fighting chance in the last minute.

Say what you want about McGrath's X's and O's (I don't think he has done a great job at all so far), but this team still fights when down 20 points. That is a good sign. The players believe in the program, but are just not getting the results. That is something that did not happen during the Benny Moss days. The team quit on him.

I would have to disagree with the players believing in the program. I would say it is the complete opposite. They fight and show good body language because they are high caliber players, nothing more. No way players can believe in a system that has them losing.

Well we will have to see if anyone that McGrath recruited (everyone except Fornes and Taylor) transfers out after this season.

(02-11-2019 09:39 AM)surfsalot Wrote:  I would have to disagree with the players believing in the program. I would say it is the complete opposite. They fight and show good body language because they are high caliber players, nothing more. No way players can believe in a system that has them losing.

You could be right that they may not believe in the system as it is currently constructed. But that does not mean they don't believe in the coach.

The players believed in neither when Benny Moss was here. Though it has to be said that Moss recruited some high-risk kids here. Its quite easy to be miserable when your point guard is a me-first Chad Tomko who dropped F-bombs at his own head coach at every opportunity.

(02-11-2019 10:35 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 09:39 AM)surfsalot Wrote:  I would have to disagree with the players believing in the program. I would say it is the complete opposite. They fight and show good body language because they are high caliber players, nothing more. No way players can believe in a system that has them losing.

You could be right that they may not believe in the system as it is currently constructed. But that does not mean they don't believe in the coach.

The players believed in neither when Benny Moss was here. Though it has to be said that Moss recruited some high-risk kids here. Its quite easy to be miserable when your point guard is a me-first Chad Tomko who dropped F-bombs at his own head coach at every opportunity.

Completely agree, especially as we have the exact opposite in Kai Toews. By his own admission, he even believed the AAU circuit in the states was team oriented and did what he could for the TEAM and not himself. Having a guy like that as the team leader will inevitably pay off, as that kind of player inspires confidence around him. Maybe the system isn't working. Maybe the coach will HAVE to adjust his system to get wins in this league. Many of us would agree to that. I'm going to bring it up again, because it's a very similar example in that Wes Miller came from the same system our coach came from and it took him 5 (F-I-V-E) seasons to alter his system. Sure, their program at UNCG wasn't accustomed to the success we've known in the past, but that's beside the point if we're debating the COACH and his SYSTEM. Sure, Miller had, potentially, a longer rope because UNCG wasn't demanding that success as quick as we are b/c of our history. That's still a moot point though because it still takes time for a coach to change their system, if they do. That change turned out to be quite effective for UNCG, and I'm willing to give our coach that time to make changes once he has a full cupboard of his players. He has some now, yes, and he's shown to be quite an effective recruiter based on the players he's already brought in and the potential future with a on the blocks defender like Imajae Dodd. Regardless, we have reason to be frustrated and we still have reason to be positive about the future. I'm still optimistic this is going to work out and we have good/great seasons in the near future. I'm sure there's a few of you who think I'm crazy for that, and I'm okay with that. It's a message board and you're entitled to that opinion.

(02-11-2019 11:34 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 10:35 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 09:39 AM)surfsalot Wrote:  I would have to disagree with the players believing in the program. I would say it is the complete opposite. They fight and show good body language because they are high caliber players, nothing more. No way players can believe in a system that has them losing.

You could be right that they may not believe in the system as it is currently constructed. But that does not mean they don't believe in the coach.

The players believed in neither when Benny Moss was here. Though it has to be said that Moss recruited some high-risk kids here. Its quite easy to be miserable when your point guard is a me-first Chad Tomko who dropped F-bombs at his own head coach at every opportunity.

Completely agree, especially as we have the exact opposite in Kai Toews. By his own admission, he even believed the AAU circuit in the states was team oriented and did what he could for the TEAM and not himself. Having a guy like that as the team leader will inevitably pay off, as that kind of player inspires confidence around him. Maybe the system isn't working. Maybe the coach will HAVE to adjust his system to get wins in this league. Many of us would agree to that. I'm going to bring it up again, because it's a very similar example in that Wes Miller came from the same system our coach came from and it took him 5 (F-I-V-E) seasons to alter his system. Sure, their program at UNCG wasn't accustomed to the success we've known in the past, but that's beside the point if we're debating the COACH and his SYSTEM. Sure, Miller had, potentially, a longer rope because UNCG wasn't demanding that success as quick as we are b/c of our history. That's still a moot point though because it still takes time for a coach to change their system, if they do. That change turned out to be quite effective for UNCG, and I'm willing to give our coach that time to make changes once he has a full cupboard of his players. He has some now, yes, and he's shown to be quite an effective recruiter based on the players he's already brought in and the potential future with a on the blocks defender like Imajae Dodd. Regardless, we have reason to be frustrated and we still have reason to be positive about the future. I'm still optimistic this is going to work out and we have good/great seasons in the near future. I'm sure there's a few of you who think I'm crazy for that, and I'm okay with that. It's a message board and you're entitled to that opinion.

I think it's apples to oranges. Here's why. Wes didn't get wins, but he also struggled recruiting initially, C.B hasn't. Honestly i think most would agree that that is really about the only thing he appears to be completely on track with. Further, if it's a system problem, and that system issue is D, his teams even though they didn't produce a ton of wins actually DID play D. Looking at some of the scores from those seasons his teams were not giving up 90 + on the reg. In fact, many of those games were in the 60's and low 70's. If we held teams to that i'd venture to guess our conference win-loss record would be
flip flopped.