https://www.heraldextra.com/sports/colle...ab607.html

Quote:With regards to the television deal, Holmoe simply said that he was “in discussions right now,” but frequently referred to the partnership with the sports media giant when he talked about bowl bids and game start times.

“We played Saint Mary’s (in men’s basketball) last week on ESPN2 at 9 p.m.,” Holmoe said. “I had to take a nap at 6 p.m. to make it, but after the game I had friends that I had made from being on the basketball committee and from around the country texting me, congratulating us on the win. If we are not on ESPN or ESPN2, they aren’t going to see that.”

BYU is going into their final year of the TV deal they signed when the first went independent in football for the 2011 season. The 2019 deal includes a bowl game tie in to the Hawaii Bowl if BYU is bowl eligible after being an at large bid the previous two seasons.

ESPN picked up the contract option year for 2019 so it is believed they viewed that as cheaper than if they declined and renegotiated a year earlier. No breaking news yet but it will be interesting to see what the deal ends up looking like.

So if BYU and Hawaii each have at least 6 wins it all but guarantees that's the Hawaiian Bowl in 2019?

Yep. Good thing they don't meet during the regular season! :)

(02-09-2019 11:16 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  So if BYU and Hawaii each have at least 6 wins it all but guarantees that's the Hawaiian Bowl in 2019?

You are correct!

I guess that's the downside (with slight upside) to being an Independent.

(02-09-2019 11:10 AM)f1do Wrote:  https://www.heraldextra.com/sports/colle...ab607.html

Quote:With regards to the television deal, Holmoe simply said that he was “in discussions right now,” but frequently referred to the partnership with the sports media giant when he talked about bowl bids and game start times.

“We played Saint Mary’s (in men’s basketball) last week on ESPN2 at 9 p.m.,” Holmoe said. “I had to take a nap at 6 p.m. to make it, but after the game I had friends that I had made from being on the basketball committee and from around the country texting me, congratulating us on the win. If we are not on ESPN or ESPN2, they aren’t going to see that.”

BYU is going into their final year of the TV deal they signed when the first went independent in football for the 2011 season. The 2019 deal includes a bowl game tie in to the Hawaii Bowl if BYU is bowl eligible after being an at large bid the previous two seasons.

ESPN picked up the contract option year for 2019 so it is believed they viewed that as cheaper than if they declined and renegotiated a year earlier. No breaking news yet but it will be interesting to see what the deal ends up looking like.

Personally, I feel like BYU needs a conference. Not just any conference, but one that can match both football and basketball against consistently good competition. I think there will be an opportunity for that should the major powers of the Big 12 leave in the next several years.

A rebuilt Big 12, perhaps with a few schools from multiple regions and partial members in certain sports, could be a strong and stable economic engine.

BYU is not in any danger of fading too quickly, but their independence could end up being an Achilles heel should their product slip on a consistent basis. That means their TV value would slip and ESPN would be less inclined to give a strong contract. At that point, it begins to be a cycle and getting into a decent conference becomes even harder.

I don't think BYU has any choice in the matter. They will sign with ESPN again and probably for the same amount. It appears being on ESPN is more important than the money....although in my opinion, being on ESPN isn't a big thing anymore in light of the big cord cutting going on.

(02-09-2019 11:30 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 11:10 AM)f1do Wrote:  https://www.heraldextra.com/sports/colle...ab607.html

Quote:With regards to the television deal, Holmoe simply said that he was “in discussions right now,” but frequently referred to the partnership with the sports media giant when he talked about bowl bids and game start times.

“We played Saint Mary’s (in men’s basketball) last week on ESPN2 at 9 p.m.,” Holmoe said. “I had to take a nap at 6 p.m. to make it, but after the game I had friends that I had made from being on the basketball committee and from around the country texting me, congratulating us on the win. If we are not on ESPN or ESPN2, they aren’t going to see that.”

BYU is going into their final year of the TV deal they signed when the first went independent in football for the 2011 season. The 2019 deal includes a bowl game tie in to the Hawaii Bowl if BYU is bowl eligible after being an at large bid the previous two seasons.

ESPN picked up the contract option year for 2019 so it is believed they viewed that as cheaper than if they declined and renegotiated a year earlier. No breaking news yet but it will be interesting to see what the deal ends up looking like.

Personally, I feel like BYU needs a conference. Not just any conference, but one that can match both football and basketball against consistently good competition. I think there will be an opportunity for that should the major powers of the Big 12 leave in the next several years.

A rebuilt Big 12, perhaps with a few schools from multiple regions and partial members in certain sports, could be a strong and stable economic engine.

BYU is not in any danger of fading too quickly, but their independence could end up being an Achilles heel should their product slip on a consistent basis. That means their TV value would slip and ESPN would be less inclined to give a strong contract. At that point, it begins to be a cycle and getting into a decent conference becomes even harder.

If the new conference isn't a Power conference then BYU will stay Indy. Otherwise they would be back in the Mountain West.

Wonder what BYU ratings have been like?

If they resign with ESPN before the AAC does, we can compare the ratings/pay ratio and that might help us understand what the AAC offer will be - and vice versa if the AAC signs first.

I’d say these are the possible options for BYU

1)join the big 12 football only
2)Join the big 12 full
3)Join the AAC football only
4)join the aac full
5)Join the MWC football only
6)Join the MWC full

BYU probably could do options 3,4 and 6 at their choosing but must prefer the current setup.

The Mountain West grew too quickly when Utah left. Instead of inviting everyone and their mother they should have circled the wagons and stayed small with high quality, flagship schools. The MWC was successful in the first place because they took the best of the WAC.

BYU will never share a conference with Utah State. Would Utah? No, so neither will BYU.

I think they’re going to be fine as an independent. They have some good schedules up ahead, and there are now more independents to schedule than there have been for the last ten or so years.

(02-09-2019 01:01 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Mountain West grew too quickly when Utah left. Instead of inviting everyone and their mother they should have circled the wagons and stayed small with high quality, flagship schools. The MWC was successful in the first place because they took the best of the WAC.

BYU will never share a conference with Utah State. Would Utah? No, so neither will BYU.

I think they’re going to be fine as an independent. They have some good schedules up ahead, and there are now more independents to schedule than there have been for the last ten or so years.

The problem with that is, the WAC “project” would have prevented that. BYU was going to put their olympics in the WAC. Fresno and Nevada would not have left and it’s possible Boise would have come back to the WAC. The MWC would be dead right now. Inviting all those WAC schools saved their ass.

Even if Idaho were still FBS, and BYU had not gone independent, we’re still short a few programs to legitimately make two FBS conferences out west:

MW
San Diego State
UNLV
BYU
Boise State
Colorado State
Air Force
Wyoming
New Mexico

WAC
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
Idaho
Nevada
Utah State
New Mexico State
???

Unless if one conference is going into Texas, there are not enough schools for two FBS conferences. And even in a bare-bones scenario, Hawaii has to be a full member for its conference to have a minimum of eight football-playing full members, the minimum for a FBS conference.

Probably what we really needed was this:

MW
UTEP
New Mexico State
Utah State
BYU
Colorado State
Air Force
Wyoming
New Mexico

WAC
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
Idaho
Nevada
UNLV
Boise State
San Diego State

UTEP could use the seven-game conference schedule to carb-load on schools “back east” like SMU, Rice, North Texas, and UTSA. Air Force could have greater flexibility in scheduling Army and Navy, and the schools in Utah and Nevada could still play each other annually.

(02-09-2019 11:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Wonder what BYU ratings have been like?

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/
I'm not the best at interpreting these but here are the numbers for BYU-owned games (times Eastern, ratings, viewers+stream):
9/8, 10:15 pm Cal-BYU, ESPN2, 0.34, (586K)
10/5, 9:00 pm Utah St-BYU, ESPN2, 0.36, (617K)
10/13, 10:30 pm Hawaii-BYU, ESPN2, 0.38, (646K)
10/27, 3:30 pm NIU-BYU, ESPNU, n.a, n.a
11/17, 10:20 pm NM ST-BYU, ESPN2, n.a, (295K)

The FCS game (McNeese St) was shown on BYUtv.

Away games that had ratings include:
9/1, 10:45 pm BYU-Ariz, ESPN, 0.75, (1.288M)
9/15, 3:30 pm BYU-Wisc, ABC, 1.9, (2.972M)
9/29, 8:30 pm BYU-Wash, FOX, 0.8, 1.286M
11/3, 10:30 pm BYU-Boise ST, ESPN2, 0.28, 470K
11/24, 10:30 pm BYU-Utah, FS1, 0.32, 626K

BYU UMass was shown on BYUtv.

The 2019 home schedule should be more valuable and hopefully produce better ratings (perhaps even landing on ESPN instead of all ESPN2?) with these home games:
Utah, USC, Washington, Boise State, Liberty, and Idaho State (surely destined for BYUtv).

Rumor is BYU is getting paid $8 million a year. Is it true?

Before anybody start with realignment scenarios for BYU, it all starts and ends with Utah. Unless they get a Big XII invitation (in its current form), BYU won’t join a conference while Utah enjoys the benefits of being in a P5 league. They’d rather stay independent and play multiple P5 rather than playing a MWC or AAC schedule.

(02-09-2019 02:11 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Rumor is BYU is getting paid $8 million a year. Is it true?

Before anybody start with realignment scenarios for BYU, it all starts and ends with Utah. Unless they get a Big XII invitation (in its current form), BYU won’t join a conference while Utah enjoys the benefits of being in a P5 league. They’d rather stay independent and play multiple P5 rather than playing a MWC or AAC schedule.

The payout has been highly debated. This article tries to back into the number based on BYU's total revenue figure reported to the US Board of Education and the percentages reported in the financial summary sent to Cougar Club members and came up with a number more in the $4.5 mill range for 2016. I think it is safe to say it is more than their share if they had remained in the MWC but not near what they would get as a member of a P5 conference. Which is why BYU would love to be--and really long term must be--part of a P5 conference.

(02-09-2019 02:11 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Rumor is BYU is getting paid $8 million a year. Is it true?

Before anybody start with realignment scenarios for BYU, it all starts and ends with Utah. Unless they get a Big XII invitation (in its current form), BYU won’t join a conference while Utah enjoys the benefits of being in a P5 league. They’d rather stay independent and play multiple P5 rather than playing a MWC or AAC schedule.

It changes. What people have been able to piece together is that they are paid more for appearances on certain networks. If they are on ESPN or ABC---they earn more than being on ESPN2 or ESPNU. Based on the numbers, 8 sounds a little high and would be a figure they might approach in a best case scenario where all their games are on ESPN and ABC. My guess is 4-6 million a year is more where they typically live under this deal.

Thanks f1do and Attackcoog for the reply.

(02-09-2019 01:01 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Mountain West grew too quickly when Utah left.

No, they didn't. Here's what happened:

June 2010 -- Utah accepts invitation from Pac-10. Boise State accepts invitation from MWC.

August 2010 -- BYU agrees to Karl Benson's idiotic scheme that ended up destroying the WAC. The plan was to have BYU leave the MWC, become indy in FB, and join the WAC for all other sports, and part of the plan was to lure UNLV and SDSU to move back to the WAC as well. The MWC blew up the plan by getting Nevada and Fresno State to leave the WAC for the MWC. (BYU didn't get burned, they left the MWC anyway, as we know.)

November 2010 -- TCU accepts invitation from Big East. (Of course TCU ended up moving to the Big 12 and not the Big East.)

December 2010 -- Hawai'i accepts football-only invitation from MWC.

December 2011 -- Boise State and SDSU announce they will join Big "East". That leaves the MWC with 7 full members, 8 for football.

May 2012 -- SJSU and Utah State accept invitations from MWC.

December 2012 -- Boise State tells the Big East to forget it and remains in the MWC.

January 2013 -- SDSU finally decides to remain in the MWC.

The MWC invited Boise when Utah left. They invited Nevada and Fresno to blow up Benson's scheme to raid the MWC. They invited Hawai'i to get a 10th football team after TCU left. They invited SJSU and USU because they were down to 7 full members after Boise and SDSU announced they were leaving. I suppose we could second guess choosing SJSU instead of UTEP, but I don't see what's wrong with any of the other moves.

(02-09-2019 03:44 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-09-2019 01:01 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Mountain West grew too quickly when Utah left.

No, they didn't. Here's what happened:

June 2010 -- Utah accepts invitation from Pac-10. Boise State accepts invitation from MWC.

August 2010 -- BYU agrees to Karl Benson's idiotic scheme that ended up destroying the WAC. The plan was to have BYU leave the MWC, become indy in FB, and join the WAC for all other sports, and part of the plan was to lure UNLV and SDSU to move back to the WAC as well. The MWC blew up the plan by getting Nevada and Fresno State to leave the WAC for the MWC. (BYU didn't get burned, they left the MWC anyway, as we know.)

November 2010 -- TCU accepts invitation from Big East. (Of course TCU ended up moving to the Big 12 and not the Big East.)

December 2010 -- Hawai'i accepts football-only invitation from MWC.

December 2011 -- Boise State and SDSU announce they will join Big "East". That leaves the MWC with 7 full members, 8 for football.

May 2012 -- SJSU and Utah State accept invitations from MWC.

December 2012 -- Boise State tells the Big East to forget it and remains in the MWC.

January 2013 -- SDSU finally decides to remain in the MWC.

The MWC invited Boise when Utah left. They invited Nevada and Fresno to blow up Benson's scheme to raid the MWC. They invited Hawai'i to get a 10th football team after TCU left. They invited SJSU and USU because they were down to 7 full members after Boise and SDSU announced they were leaving. I suppose we could second guess choosing SJSU instead of UTEP, but I don't see what's wrong with any of the other moves.

If you believe message board rumors, the only reason why SJSU is in the MWC is because UTEP said no. The thing is had UTEP said yes, what would’ve happen to SJSU? Had they gone Indy like BYU? To the Sun Belt with NMSU and Idaho? Dropped to FCS before Idaho did?