(02-08-2019 08:19 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:07 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  The huge early Obama deficits were from reduced revenue.

Not exactly. Revenues decreased $400 billion from 2008 to 2009, but expenditures increased $600 billion, increasing the deficit from $400 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009. Revenues increased $50 billion in 2010, and expenditures decreased $50 billion, so the deficit was reduced to $1.3 trillion in 2010. Then both revenues and expenditures increased by $150 billion in 2011, so deficit remained about $1.3 trillion. So it was a good bit of both.

Quote:Obama was blamed for 2009, even though the budget was from the previous year.

Actually, no. The 2009 budget was signed by Obama and included significant jumps from the budget proposed by Bush. So yes Obama should get the blame. And as I've noted before, the attempt to blame the increase on the recession is somewhat contradicted by the fact that the deficits remained even after the recession was supposedly over.

Quote:Trump isn’t to blame for 2017 either. Now Republicans in the Congress are definitely to blame for the recent increased deficits.

Except that CBO forecasted most of the recent increases, and further increases in the future, based on Obama's policies, before Trump took office. Trump can be blamed for maybe 20% of the deficit, but the rest is on Obama, because he baked it into the cake before Trump got there.

Actually, I will give credit to Obama and his team for political savvy. They managed to time everything so that the deficit hit its valley just as Obama was going out, giving him the opportunity to claim to have reduced the deficit, while creating the impression that his successor grew the deficit immediately. But Obama and his team were always masters of illusion.

(02-07-2019 11:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The democrats in the house just got spanked today. They had asked Whitaker to come in Friday to testify. He agree that he would. Then the democrats told him he would have to be prepared to talk about things he and Trump had spoke about, but wouldnt tell him in advance what they were going to ask him. When the dems thought he might balk, they decided to start the subpoena process "just in case".

Trey Gowdy told Whitaker that he should refuse to testify, let them subpoena him, challenge that subpoena to a judge next week, and by then, what ever the ruling from the judge, Barr will be the new AG and Whitaker can tell them to f*ck off.

Today, Whitaker appears to be decding that he wont testify.

Keep being pricks, democrats.

Nothing you wrote is true.

They gave him questions beforehand.

Lol

Except all of it.

Don’t you ever grow weary of being wrong, wrong and wrong, yet again?!?

(02-08-2019 06:50 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:02 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Mueller is only looking at Russia.

Errr,

Why should he be looking elsewhere?

This is a snipe chase.


It’s gunna be a miserable death rollzz


Sorry.

Not sorry

If he finds other crimes in the process, he’s referred them to the proper authorities.

Soooo,

A witch hunt!

Damnnnn, we agree yet again!

(02-07-2019 10:12 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:54 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Nothing to worry about if ya did nothing wrong.

Squandering away tax payer dollars. Of course, as a liberal, you see nothing wrong with this.

Maybe we can pass a bill after 2020 getting Dem committee members to repay the government with their campaign funds. This IS nothing but campaigning.

(02-08-2019 06:50 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:02 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Mueller is only looking at Russia.

Errr,
Why should he be looking elsewhere?
This is a snipe chase.
It’s gunna be a miserable death rollzz
Sorry.
Not sorry

If he finds other crimes in the process, he’s referred them to the proper authorities.

Textbook definition of a witch hunt. Show me the target and I'll find a crime. Except if Trump is the target, they haven't yet.

(02-08-2019 08:07 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:49 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:12 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:54 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Nothing to worry about if ya did nothing wrong.

Squandering away tax payer dollars. Of course, as a liberal, you see nothing wrong with this.

Hello $1 trillion deficits

And the democrats new Star child is AOC. Can’t make this chit up....

Don't forget Beto and Abrams who both lost. Beto ran from a DWI at age 26. Abrams ran a voter registration project that got 32 people indicted and can't pay her taxes.
AOC can't pay her rent.

(02-08-2019 08:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:50 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:02 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Mueller is only looking at Russia.

Errr,
Why should he be looking elsewhere?
This is a snipe chase.
It’s gunna be a miserable death rollzz
Sorry.
Not sorry

If he finds other crimes in the process, he’s referred them to the proper authorities.

Textbook definition of a witch hunt. Show me the target and I'll find a crime. Except if Trump is the target, they haven't yet.

So they should ignore illegality that they find if it doesn’t involve Russia?

(02-08-2019 08:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:07 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:49 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:12 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:54 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Nothing to worry about if ya did nothing wrong.

Squandering away tax payer dollars. Of course, as a liberal, you see nothing wrong with this.

Hello $1 trillion deficits

And the democrats new Star child is AOC. Can’t make this chit up....

Don't forget Beto and Abrams who both lost. Beto ran from a DWI at age 26. Abrams ran a voter registration project that got 32 people indicted and can't pay her taxes.
AOC can't pay her rent.

Lol

Someone start a “reality” sitcom. Beto and Friends.

We can have Kramer bust through the door once in a while too. Maybe get Ted Danson in blackface to make an appearance, just for good measure.

Dims sure do seem to love them some blackface...

(02-08-2019 08:56 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:50 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:02 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Mueller is only looking at Russia.

Errr,
Why should he be looking elsewhere?
This is a snipe chase.
It’s gunna be a miserable death rollzz
Sorry.
Not sorry

If he finds other crimes in the process, he’s referred them to the proper authorities.

Textbook definition of a witch hunt. Show me the target and I'll find a crime. Except if Trump is the target, they haven't yet.

So they should ignore illegality that they find if it doesn’t involve Russia?

How would they find it if they’re investigating RUSSIA!!!

You gonna find check fraud if solving a murder?

(02-08-2019 08:56 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:50 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:02 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Mueller is only looking at Russia.

Errr,
Why should he be looking elsewhere?
This is a snipe chase.
It’s gunna be a miserable death rollzz
Sorry.
Not sorry

If he finds other crimes in the process, he’s referred them to the proper authorities.

Textbook definition of a witch hunt. Show me the target and I'll find a crime. Except if Trump is the target, they haven't yet.

So they should ignore illegality that they find if it doesn’t involve Russia?

No.

(02-08-2019 08:19 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:07 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  The huge early Obama deficits were from reduced revenue.

Not exactly. Revenues decreased $400 billion from 2008 to 2009, but expenditures increased $600 billion, increasing the deficit from $400 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009. Revenues increased $50 billion in 2010, and expenditures decreased $50 billion, so the deficit was reduced to $1.3 trillion in 2010. Then both revenues and expenditures increased by $150 billion in 2011, so deficit remained about $1.3 trillion. So it was a good bit of both.

Quote:Obama was blamed for 2009, even though the budget was from the previous year.

Actually, no. The 2009 budget was signed by Obama and included significant jumps from the budget proposed by Bush. So yes Obama should get the blame. And as I've noted before, the attempt to blame the increase on the recession is somewhat contradicted by the fact that the deficits remained even after the recession was supposedly over.

Quote:Trump isn’t to blame for 2017 either. Now Republicans in the Congress are definitely to blame for the recent increased deficits.

Except that CBO forecasted most of the recent increases, and further increases in the future, based on Obama's policies, before Trump took office. Trump can be blamed for maybe 20% of the deficit, but the rest is on Obama, because he baked it into the cake before Trump got there.

Actually, I will give credit to Obama and his team for political savvy. They managed to time everything so that the deficit hit its valley just as Obama was going out, giving him the opportunity to claim to have reduced the deficit, while creating the impression that his successor grew the deficit immediately. But Obama and his team were always masters of illusion.

IIRC the feds had to bail out the states that had balance budget amendments. Then Governors ran on how they were fiscally responsible while the US government was not.

(02-08-2019 08:56 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:50 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:02 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Mueller is only looking at Russia.

Errr,
Why should he be looking elsewhere?
This is a snipe chase.
It’s gunna be a miserable death rollzz
Sorry.
Not sorry

If he finds other crimes in the process, he’s referred them to the proper authorities.

Textbook definition of a witch hunt. Show me the target and I'll find a crime. Except if Trump is the target, they haven't yet.

So they should ignore illegality that they find if it doesn’t involve Russia?

You don't waste taxpayer money investigating where there's no crime.

Other than defeating one of the most crooked, deplorable candidates the Democratic Party has ever put up.

(02-08-2019 08:58 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:56 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:50 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Errr,
Why should he be looking elsewhere?
This is a snipe chase.
It’s gunna be a miserable death rollzz
Sorry.
Not sorry

If he finds other crimes in the process, he’s referred them to the proper authorities.

Textbook definition of a witch hunt. Show me the target and I'll find a crime. Except if Trump is the target, they haven't yet.

So they should ignore illegality that they find if it doesn’t involve Russia?

How would they find it if they’re investigating RUSSIA!!!

You gonna find check fraud if solving a murder?

Elementary my dear Watson. You follow the evidence.

(02-08-2019 09:00 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:19 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:07 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  The huge early Obama deficits were from reduced revenue.

Not exactly. Revenues decreased $400 billion from 2008 to 2009, but expenditures increased $600 billion, increasing the deficit from $400 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009. Revenues increased $50 billion in 2010, and expenditures decreased $50 billion, so the deficit was reduced to $1.3 trillion in 2010. Then both revenues and expenditures increased by $150 billion in 2011, so deficit remained about $1.3 trillion. So it was a good bit of both.

Quote:Obama was blamed for 2009, even though the budget was from the previous year.

Actually, no. The 2009 budget was signed by Obama and included significant jumps from the budget proposed by Bush. So yes Obama should get the blame. And as I've noted before, the attempt to blame the increase on the recession is somewhat contradicted by the fact that the deficits remained even after the recession was supposedly over.

Quote:Trump isn’t to blame for 2017 either. Now Republicans in the Congress are definitely to blame for the recent increased deficits.

Except that CBO forecasted most of the recent increases, and further increases in the future, based on Obama's policies, before Trump took office. Trump can be blamed for maybe 20% of the deficit, but the rest is on Obama, because he baked it into the cake before Trump got there.
Actually, I will give credit to Obama and his team for political savvy. They managed to time everything so that the deficit hit its valley just as Obama was going out, giving him the opportunity to claim to have reduced the deficit, while creating the impression that his successor grew the deficit immediately. But Obama and his team were always masters of illusion.

IIRC the feds had to bail out the states that had balance budget amendments. Then Governors ran on how they were fiscally responsible while the US government was not.

I guess this means you have no response to my points.

Why bail them out? Just say, "Suck it up. Sucks to be you." Not the federales' fault that they were irresponsible.

Feel free to correct my memory, but as I recall, the total for that was about $200 billion. Lot of money, but kind of pocket change compared to the numbers here.

Lol, maybe they'll find something THIS time considering EVERYTHING else has failed. This reaks of desperation for the Dems. Most independents now see it for what it is, a witch hunt. Oh well, this can only help Trump come 2020. Dems need to focus on some sort of platform and leave Trump to mess up on his own. For some reason, they simply refuse to provide a platform and are all about orange man bad.

(02-08-2019 09:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Lol, maybe they'll find something THIS time considering EVERYTHING else has failed. This reaks of desperation for the Dems. Most independents now see it for what it is, a witch hunt. Oh well, this can only help Trump come 2020. Dems need to focus on some sort of platform and leave Trump to mess up on his own. For some reason, they simply refuse to provide a platform and are all about orange man bad.

When their true thoughts are those expressed by idiot AOC, who can blame them for not wanting to reduce that to writing.

(02-08-2019 09:01 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:56 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 08:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:50 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 11:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Errr,
Why should he be looking elsewhere?
This is a snipe chase.
It’s gunna be a miserable death rollzz
Sorry.
Not sorry

If he finds other crimes in the process, he’s referred them to the proper authorities.

Textbook definition of a witch hunt. Show me the target and I'll find a crime. Except if Trump is the target, they haven't yet.

So they should ignore illegality that they find if it doesn’t involve Russia?

You don't waste taxpayer money investigating where there's no crime.

Other than defeating one of the most crooked, deplorable candidates the Democratic Party has ever put up.

has it topped 50mm yet???

what a joke festival this has become....

(02-08-2019 07:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 07:38 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 07:17 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 06:49 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:12 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Squandering away tax payer dollars. Of course, as a liberal, you see nothing wrong with this.

:wingedeagle: Hello $1 trillion deficits

How much did the deficit balloon under El Dumbo?

Glad that you asked.

Note that no significant reduction occurred until republicans retook the budget-writing house of representatives. This is despite claims that 1) the huge deficit increases were temporary and needed to fight the recession, and 2) the recession was over by 2010.

Also, note that CBO projected the deficit to rise back, reaching a trillion by 2022 and keep increasing, based on Obama's policies, before Trump, per
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/...column.pdf

So blaming the deficit on Trump when 80% of it or so is inherited from Obama is at best somewhat disingenuous.

This is not to give republicans a pass. I've complained repeatedly about their reluctance to act more decisively when they took over the house in 2011.

The cutting of annual deficits occurred not from legislation passed by Republicans but because the economic cycle was recovering from the economic crash.

Its amazing how you can curry favor deficit spikes which are clearly a result of the GOP tax bill, and then spin deficits from economic catastrophe on a President who wasn’t in office when the economic catastrophe and subsequent bailout occurred. We had a major shortfall in revenues in the post meltdown years, and those revenue reductions, along with increases in spending, helped increase the deficit. We experienced the same scenario again in 2018 w/o a financial crash.

(02-08-2019 08:56 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Don't forget Beto and Abrams who both lost. Beto ran from a DWI at age 26. Abrams ran a voter registration project that got 32 people indicted and can't pay her taxes.
AOC can't pay her rent.

Lol

Someone start a “reality” sitcom. Beto and Friends.

We can have Kramer bust through the door once in a while too. Maybe get Ted Danson in blackface to make an appearance, just for good measure.

Dims sure do seem to love them some blackface...
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This is a great idea. Lock them all in the insane asylum where they need to be and film them living there.

Bernie
Hillary
Pelosi
AOC
Maxine
Beto
Abrams
The Muslim congresswoman from MI

Trump can live tweet watching this cast of idiots

. . . allow us to investigate any credible allegation that financial interests or other interests are driving decision-making of the President or anyone in the administration."


they burned witches in salem with better due process.