(01-25-2019 10:22 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So I'm gonna stick with bs then.

You do you.

Bottom line, this law in NY protects women who wanted to be pregnant, and are forced to make terrible decisions late - for those who have already lost them, those who will lose them within minutes of birth (choosing to not have them suffer or struggle), those who are forced to choose between their own life & the life of the baby, and those who have to make the decision to save at least one of a multiples birth.

(01-25-2019 10:27 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:22 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So I'm gonna stick with bs then.

You do you.

Bottom line, this law in NY protects women who wanted to be pregnant, and are forced to make terrible decisions late - for those who have already lost them, those who will lose them within minutes of birth (choosing to not have them suffer or struggle), and those who are forced to choose between their own life & the life of the baby.

This law open up Pandoras box for a plethora of abuses and late term abortions

It also punishes professionals who want to opt out

A friend shared this public social media post this morning - I do not know this particular woman telling her story, but maybe it will help clarify:

https://www.facebook.com/caitgirard/post...7186195195

I am very thankful that after learning that my daughter had passed away in utero at 16 weeks, I was given the option to have an ABORTION to spare me the pain of carrying her until my body decided to go into labor.

Oh, and that other time that I had an ABORTION, was when baby A, of my twin sons, developed an infection and died inside of me at 20 weeks and I signed paperwork saying that I was ABORTING two babies just weeks before the legal cut off in Virginia, knowing full well that they could not save baby B, but also knowing that I was at risk of going septic with every passing minute.

So I am thankful for that. I'm thankful for that right. And I'm thankful that I know that "abortion" is a term used for MANY types of termination of pregnancy, but they all fall under the same right.

Everyone's story is not the same, and there are very valid reasons this law was needed. None of them have anything to do with some sinister plan to "celebrate" elective abortion.

(01-25-2019 10:38 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  A friend shared this public social media post this morning - I do not know this particular woman telling her story, but maybe it will help clarify:

https://www.facebook.com/caitgirard/post...7186195195

I am very thankful that after learning that my daughter had passed away in utero at 16 weeks, I was given the option to have an ABORTION to spare me the pain of carrying her until my body decided to go into labor.

Oh, and that other time that I had an ABORTION, was when baby A, of my twin sons, developed an infection and died inside of me at 20 weeks and I signed paperwork saying that I was ABORTING two babies just weeks before the legal cut off in Virginia, knowing full well that they could not save baby B, but also knowing that I was at risk of going septic with every passing minute.

So I am thankful for that. I'm thankful for that right. And I'm thankful that I know that "abortion" is a term used for MANY types of termination of pregnancy, but they all fall under the same right.

Everyone's story is not the same, and there are very valid reasons this law was needed. None of them have anything to do with some sinister plan to "celebrate" elective abortion.

If the baby died 16 weeks in why couldn't they induce labor?

(01-25-2019 10:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:38 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  A friend shared this public social media post this morning - I do not know this particular woman telling her story, but maybe it will help clarify:

https://www.facebook.com/caitgirard/post...7186195195

I am very thankful that after learning that my daughter had passed away in utero at 16 weeks, I was given the option to have an ABORTION to spare me the pain of carrying her until my body decided to go into labor.

Oh, and that other time that I had an ABORTION, was when baby A, of my twin sons, developed an infection and died inside of me at 20 weeks and I signed paperwork saying that I was ABORTING two babies just weeks before the legal cut off in Virginia, knowing full well that they could not save baby B, but also knowing that I was at risk of going septic with every passing minute.

So I am thankful for that. I'm thankful for that right. And I'm thankful that I know that "abortion" is a term used for MANY types of termination of pregnancy, but they all fall under the same right.

Everyone's story is not the same, and there are very valid reasons this law was needed. None of them have anything to do with some sinister plan to "celebrate" elective abortion.

If the baby died 16 weeks in why couldn't they induce labor?

Exactly! My son passed at 30 weeks in utero. They induced labor a day after we found out. This was done at a Catholic hospital.There were no waivers to be signed. Jeezus, this process is NOT abortion!!

So twice she had miscarried and removing the baby brought no criminal charges. Glad you cleared your earlier bs up.

(01-25-2019 11:02 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So twice she had miscarried and removing the baby brought no criminal charges. Glad you cleared your earlier bs up.

This woman is not in NY, and both of her situations happened prior to 24 weeks. Prior to Tuesday, had this happened in NY after 24 weeks, she would not have been able to legally do it.

(01-25-2019 11:00 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:38 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  A friend shared this public social media post this morning - I do not know this particular woman telling her story, but maybe it will help clarify:

https://www.facebook.com/caitgirard/post...7186195195

I am very thankful that after learning that my daughter had passed away in utero at 16 weeks, I was given the option to have an ABORTION to spare me the pain of carrying her until my body decided to go into labor.

Oh, and that other time that I had an ABORTION, was when baby A, of my twin sons, developed an infection and died inside of me at 20 weeks and I signed paperwork saying that I was ABORTING two babies just weeks before the legal cut off in Virginia, knowing full well that they could not save baby B, but also knowing that I was at risk of going septic with every passing minute.

So I am thankful for that. I'm thankful for that right. And I'm thankful that I know that "abortion" is a term used for MANY types of termination of pregnancy, but they all fall under the same right.

Everyone's story is not the same, and there are very valid reasons this law was needed. None of them have anything to do with some sinister plan to "celebrate" elective abortion.

If the baby died 16 weeks in why couldn't they induce labor?

Exactly! My son passed at 30 weeks in utero. They induced labor a day after we found out. This was done at a Catholic hospital.There were no waivers to be signed. Jeezus, this process is NOT abortion!!

First off, I'm sorry for your loss.

However, what your family experienced will not be what every family goes through. This woman is flat-out telling what happened to her (with some heartbreaking pics in the post to boot) and saying that she had to sign off on paperwork stating both times they were considered "abortions" in the medical jargon world. It is the process of extraction of the fetus, placenta, etc.. A "spontaneous abortion" is also referred to as miscarriage, for example.

You can say "that's not abortion!" all you want, but according to the hospital's paperwork, it is listed as such. OUR idea of what "abortion" is and what medical laws/hospitals call procedures may not always match up. This example makes that pretty clear.

Also, keep in mind that one of these was indeed a living fetus. Again, had she been post-24 weeks in NY when the twin died, she legally would not have been allowed to save her own life. That's why this new law was made in NY.

(01-25-2019 11:34 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 11:02 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So twice she had miscarried and removing the baby brought no criminal charges. Glad you cleared your earlier bs up.

This woman is not in NY, and both of her situations happened prior to 24 weeks. Prior to Tuesday, had this happened in NY after 24 weeks, she would not have been able to legally do it.

Yes she would have. Scour the internet for a single case of a woman in NY forced to carry a deceased unborn child to term. You will be looking for quite sometime.

She's offering absolutely zero proof (there is none) of her claim and insisting she's still correct. Moving on.

(01-25-2019 11:34 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 11:02 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So twice she had miscarried and removing the baby brought no criminal charges. Glad you cleared your earlier bs up.

This woman is not in NY, and both of her situations happened prior to 24 weeks. Prior to Tuesday, had this happened in NY after 24 weeks, she would not have been able to legally do it.

Wrong. Women, unfortunately miscarry all of the time. What are you talking about? Just because she said it was an abortion doesn't make it so.

(01-25-2019 11:40 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Also, keep in mind that one of these was indeed a living fetus. Again, had she been post-24 weeks in NY when the twin died, she legally would not have been allowed to save her own life.

You are a very reasonable and respectable poster, but I strongly disagree with the accuracy of this statement

(01-25-2019 10:27 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:22 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So I'm gonna stick with bs then.

You do you.

Bottom line, this law in NY protects women who wanted to be pregnant, and are forced to make terrible decisions late - for those who have already lost them, those who will lose them within minutes of birth (choosing to not have them suffer or struggle), those who are forced to choose between their own life & the life of the baby, and those who have to make the decision to save at least one of a multiples birth.

Those are all viable decisions, but, they will be very much in the minority. Most abortions are done simply to get rid of a problem and duck responsibility by both parents.


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(01-25-2019 11:58 AM)Paul M Wrote:  She's offering absolutely zero proof (there is none) of her claim and insisting she's still correct. Moving on.

She can't offer proof. They don't provide stuff like that in the sound bite talking points.

If a baby has no heartbeat after the third trimester then labor is induced and the child is born vaginally. I have 2 fraternity brothers who have suffered an intrauterine fetal demise.

If the life of the mother is in danger after the third trimester then they can do an emergency c-section and save both the mother and child.

My gf is a l&d nurse and says this law is total bs.

Abortion bad!

(01-25-2019 10:27 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:22 AM)Paul M Wrote:  So I'm gonna stick with bs then.

You do you.

Bottom line, this law in NY protects women who wanted to be pregnant, and are forced to make terrible decisions late - for those who have already lost them, those who will lose them within minutes of birth (choosing to not have them suffer or struggle), those who are forced to choose between their own life & the life of the baby, and those who have to make the decision to save at least one of a multiples birth.

This

(01-25-2019 07:55 PM)dfarr Wrote:  If a baby has no heartbeat after the third trimester then labor is induced and the child is born vaginally. I have 2 fraternity brothers who have suffered an intrauterine fetal demise.

If the life of the mother is in danger after the third trimester then they can do an emergency c-section and save both the mother and child.

My gf is a l&d nurse and says this law is total bs.

Well that solves it then......

There are diseases that are recessive. 3/4ths of the time you can healthy children. What if you find out your child has both recessive genes. You guys want to take the choice of that family away and it’s mental torture. It’s terrible. It’s already a horrible time for the family and you guys want to add to that. NY is doing the humane thing. Leaving the decision up to family and keeping the govt. out of it.

(01-25-2019 10:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 10:38 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  A friend shared this public social media post this morning - I do not know this particular woman telling her story, but maybe it will help clarify:

https://www.facebook.com/caitgirard/post...7186195195

I am very thankful that after learning that my daughter had passed away in utero at 16 weeks, I was given the option to have an ABORTION to spare me the pain of carrying her until my body decided to go into labor.

Oh, and that other time that I had an ABORTION, was when baby A, of my twin sons, developed an infection and died inside of me at 20 weeks and I signed paperwork saying that I was ABORTING two babies just weeks before the legal cut off in Virginia, knowing full well that they could not save baby B, but also knowing that I was at risk of going septic with every passing minute.

So I am thankful for that. I'm thankful for that right. And I'm thankful that I know that "abortion" is a term used for MANY types of termination of pregnancy, but they all fall under the same right.

Everyone's story is not the same, and there are very valid reasons this law was needed. None of them have anything to do with some sinister plan to "celebrate" elective abortion.

If the baby died 16 weeks in why couldn't they induce labor?

One should always use logic when reading Facebook instead of blindly believing it.