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(01-23-2019 09:27 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:35 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:58 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:14 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  As I've said - he does a GREAT job. I'd love to see him engage, challenge and teach/lead the student section.

I'd also like to see ODU move the band directly behind the basket so that the students can surround the band. And I would like to see ODU move the students from the corner sections to the student section and fill that section from the bottom up. Close off the top seats with a banner unless numbers dictate they be open. ODU needs to lead and teach the student section - it doesn't just happen. It's manufactured.

This is the key. The schools who do college basketball well are the ones who ingrain this stuff from the moment the students step on campus. ODU fails in this area - and it shows. They are missing out on future donors in a major way.

Exactly right. The school has decided to ingrain Ice Cream and Cake into the student body and it shows. I'm not a fan but I'm fine with it. What I'd like to see is the school ingrain ODU Based Chants and Cheers into the student body. Manufacture/teach the atmosphere and it will be achieved.

The problem I have with Ice cream and cake is that it really has nothing to do with ODU, and in my opinion has never been fully adopted by all of the students. Its just a dumb dance that keeps some people entertained during breaks while most other people look away in embarrassment. It doesnt engage the crowd in the game, its doesnt bring energy to the fan base. What is really the point of it? I think its time to move one from this one. Especially when may 25% of any given crowd is actually participating in the song and dance. That really just makes it look even worse.

That being said, I am all for trying to crowd cheers and getting the fans more involved. Recently sent an email the Dr. Chandler about this exact thing. These cheers can be manufactured pretty easily with signs and video graphics. Just need to get something new started with the new stadium.

I've said it a million times and I'll mention it again. There needs to be a dedicated group that shows up and shows out. Standing all game (starting in the front row), cheering, heckling, encouraging other students to get involved, WEAR SCHOOL COLORS (I'm all for greek life to take over the first few rows but when they're wearing their letters and are an assortment of colors it doesn't look good. I know for a fact that everyone who is in greek life gets a shirt with their letters in ODU colors with a "Monarchs" script over it). They can feed off the band. I hate when I see students in the first few rows sitting and being quiet. It's a bad look. You don't have to go every game, but have a group where if someone can't make it it won't affect it. The Front row crew as we called ourselves (or black pack where we wore all black with ODU colors at first) made it a point to get there early and often. Hell, I still listen for the "f em up f em up O D U" during Dr. Who. Some on here may not like it but I remember a time where the students were passionate enough to scream it on the top of their lungs, I remember hearing it at student parties and tailgates during my time there, it was a student rallying cry. Passion can't be manufactured, it has to come from the heart, and no one has stepped up honestly since my friend and I were plucked from the front row to join the cheer squad. I do think we're getting better but it still has a ways to go

(01-23-2019 09:37 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Why can't female cheer leaders use megaphones?

I mean technically they can, but they use poms and dance during their chants. Males don't so they get the megaphones

(01-23-2019 09:42 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 09:27 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:35 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:58 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:14 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  As I've said - he does a GREAT job. I'd love to see him engage, challenge and teach/lead the student section.

I'd also like to see ODU move the band directly behind the basket so that the students can surround the band. And I would like to see ODU move the students from the corner sections to the student section and fill that section from the bottom up. Close off the top seats with a banner unless numbers dictate they be open. ODU needs to lead and teach the student section - it doesn't just happen. It's manufactured.

This is the key. The schools who do college basketball well are the ones who ingrain this stuff from the moment the students step on campus. ODU fails in this area - and it shows. They are missing out on future donors in a major way.

Exactly right. The school has decided to ingrain Ice Cream and Cake into the student body and it shows. I'm not a fan but I'm fine with it. What I'd like to see is the school ingrain ODU Based Chants and Cheers into the student body. Manufacture/teach the atmosphere and it will be achieved.

The problem I have with Ice cream and cake is that it really has nothing to do with ODU, and in my opinion has never been fully adopted by all of the students. Its just a dumb dance that keeps some people entertained during breaks while most other people look away in embarrassment. It doesnt engage the crowd in the game, its doesnt bring energy to the fan base. What is really the point of it? I think its time to move one from this one. Especially when may 25% of any given crowd is actually participating in the song and dance. That really just makes it look even worse.

That being said, I am all for trying to crowd cheers and getting the fans more involved. Recently sent an email the Dr. Chandler about this exact thing. These cheers can be manufactured pretty easily with signs and video graphics. Just need to get something new started with the new stadium.

I've said it a million times and I'll mention it again. There needs to be a dedicated group that shows up and shows out. Standing all game (starting in the front row), cheering, heckling, encouraging other students to get involved, WEAR SCHOOL COLORS (I'm all for greek life to take over the first few rows but when they're wearing their letters and are an assortment of colors it doesn't look good. I know for a fact that everyone who is in greek life gets a shirt with their letters in ODU colors with a "Monarchs" script over it). They can feed off the band. I hate when I see students in the first few rows sitting and being quiet. It's a bad look. You don't have to go every game, but have a group where if someone can't make it it won't affect it. The Front row crew as we called ourselves (or black pack where we wore all black with ODU colors at first) made it a point to get there early and often. Hell, I still listen for the "f em up f em up O D U" during Dr. Who. Some on here may not like it but I remember a time where the students were passionate enough to scream it on the top of their lungs, I remember hearing it at student parties and tailgates during my time there, it was a student rallying cry. Passion can't be manufactured, it has to come from the heart, and no one has stepped up honestly since my friend and I were plucked from the front row to join the cheer squad. I do think we're getting better but it still has a ways to go

Again, does anyone really know what happened to the Monarch Maniacs? Chandler?

(01-23-2019 09:27 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:35 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:58 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:14 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  As I've said - he does a GREAT job. I'd love to see him engage, challenge and teach/lead the student section.

I'd also like to see ODU move the band directly behind the basket so that the students can surround the band. And I would like to see ODU move the students from the corner sections to the student section and fill that section from the bottom up. Close off the top seats with a banner unless numbers dictate they be open. ODU needs to lead and teach the student section - it doesn't just happen. It's manufactured.

This is the key. The schools who do college basketball well are the ones who ingrain this stuff from the moment the students step on campus. ODU fails in this area - and it shows. They are missing out on future donors in a major way.

Exactly right. The school has decided to ingrain Ice Cream and Cake into the student body and it shows. I'm not a fan but I'm fine with it. What I'd like to see is the school ingrain ODU Based Chants and Cheers into the student body. Manufacture/teach the atmosphere and it will be achieved.

The problem I have with Ice cream and cake is that it really has nothing to do with ODU, and in my opinion has never been fully adopted by all of the students. Its just a dumb dance that keeps some people entertained during breaks while most other people look away in embarrassment. It doesnt engage the crowd in the game, its doesnt bring energy to the fan base. What is really the point of it? I think its time to move one from this one. Especially when may 25% of any given crowd is actually participating in the song and dance. That really just makes it look even worse.

That being said, I am all for trying to crowd cheers and getting the fans more involved. Recently sent an email the Dr. Chandler about this exact thing. These cheers can be manufactured pretty easily with signs and video graphics. Just need to get something new started with the new stadium.

cmett when was the last time you were at a home game with a full crowd? To say 25% participate is very low. It's weird, sure. But there is definitely engagement.

(01-23-2019 09:38 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 12:29 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 12:20 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  I am not advocating going back to the CAA. Ever. Just saying when you have a lot of very close schools it is a lot easier for the students to get up! They have HS classmates at all the VA schools. Makes the games a lot more interesting for them. I would bet that very few students know many people going to other CUSA schools.

Agree - but our students were getting up for EVERY game 10 years ago. In conference, OOC, Bracket buster, NIT, whatever. If we could pack it out for UMES and make noise, these kids should be able to get up for conference rival games against La Tech, Marshall, etc.

Things have gotten BAD.

10 years ago, not everyone was glued to a smartphone. I still think the Ted need signal jammers.

Yeah, we aren't the only ones with this problem.

(01-23-2019 09:52 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 09:27 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:35 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:58 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:14 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  As I've said - he does a GREAT job. I'd love to see him engage, challenge and teach/lead the student section.

I'd also like to see ODU move the band directly behind the basket so that the students can surround the band. And I would like to see ODU move the students from the corner sections to the student section and fill that section from the bottom up. Close off the top seats with a banner unless numbers dictate they be open. ODU needs to lead and teach the student section - it doesn't just happen. It's manufactured.

This is the key. The schools who do college basketball well are the ones who ingrain this stuff from the moment the students step on campus. ODU fails in this area - and it shows. They are missing out on future donors in a major way.

Exactly right. The school has decided to ingrain Ice Cream and Cake into the student body and it shows. I'm not a fan but I'm fine with it. What I'd like to see is the school ingrain ODU Based Chants and Cheers into the student body. Manufacture/teach the atmosphere and it will be achieved.

The problem I have with Ice cream and cake is that it really has nothing to do with ODU, and in my opinion has never been fully adopted by all of the students. Its just a dumb dance that keeps some people entertained during breaks while most other people look away in embarrassment. It doesnt engage the crowd in the game, its doesnt bring energy to the fan base. What is really the point of it? I think its time to move one from this one. Especially when may 25% of any given crowd is actually participating in the song and dance. That really just makes it look even worse.

That being said, I am all for trying to crowd cheers and getting the fans more involved. Recently sent an email the Dr. Chandler about this exact thing. These cheers can be manufactured pretty easily with signs and video graphics. Just need to get something new started with the new stadium.

cmett when was the last time you were at a home game with a full crowd? To say 25% participate is very low. It's weird, sure. But there is definitely engagement.

I haven't been to a home basketball game in a few years, but for football the participation for IC&C is far less than half. I stand by my 25% estimate.

The bigger problem is that it is really the only "tradition" that ODU recognizes during games. That is a MAJOR problem!

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

(01-23-2019 10:02 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 09:52 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 09:27 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:35 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:58 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  This is the key. The schools who do college basketball well are the ones who ingrain this stuff from the moment the students step on campus. ODU fails in this area - and it shows. They are missing out on future donors in a major way.

Exactly right. The school has decided to ingrain Ice Cream and Cake into the student body and it shows. I'm not a fan but I'm fine with it. What I'd like to see is the school ingrain ODU Based Chants and Cheers into the student body. Manufacture/teach the atmosphere and it will be achieved.

The problem I have with Ice cream and cake is that it really has nothing to do with ODU, and in my opinion has never been fully adopted by all of the students. Its just a dumb dance that keeps some people entertained during breaks while most other people look away in embarrassment. It doesnt engage the crowd in the game, its doesnt bring energy to the fan base. What is really the point of it? I think its time to move one from this one. Especially when may 25% of any given crowd is actually participating in the song and dance. That really just makes it look even worse.

That being said, I am all for trying to crowd cheers and getting the fans more involved. Recently sent an email the Dr. Chandler about this exact thing. These cheers can be manufactured pretty easily with signs and video graphics. Just need to get something new started with the new stadium.

cmett when was the last time you were at a home game with a full crowd? To say 25% participate is very low. It's weird, sure. But there is definitely engagement.

I haven't been to a home basketball game in a few years, but for football the participation for IC&C is far less than half. I stand by my 25% estimate.

The bigger problem is that it is really the only "tradition" that ODU recognizes during games. That is a MAJOR problem!

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

One tradition I would love to see back is the basketball team lining up on the 3pt line facing the student section with the cheerleaders and dancers on either side singing the alma mater. I remember the students staying after and linking arms and swaying back and forth with the team singing the words. That created a feeling of connection to the basketball players who are fellow students, but also teaches the students and athletes the words of the alma mater, with a resounding "OLD DOMINION HAIL!" from everyone at the end of the song. Those words of the song have been ingrained in my brain and every time i hear the Alma Mater I can't help but sing along.

If I'm not mistaken, this changed when Blaine was let go and JJ came in and made his culture change. Now that he has established himself and his culture I wouldn't mind seeing it come back.

(01-23-2019 10:02 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 09:52 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 09:27 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:35 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 01:58 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  This is the key. The schools who do college basketball well are the ones who ingrain this stuff from the moment the students step on campus. ODU fails in this area - and it shows. They are missing out on future donors in a major way.

Exactly right. The school has decided to ingrain Ice Cream and Cake into the student body and it shows. I'm not a fan but I'm fine with it. What I'd like to see is the school ingrain ODU Based Chants and Cheers into the student body. Manufacture/teach the atmosphere and it will be achieved.

The problem I have with Ice cream and cake is that it really has nothing to do with ODU, and in my opinion has never been fully adopted by all of the students. Its just a dumb dance that keeps some people entertained during breaks while most other people look away in embarrassment. It doesnt engage the crowd in the game, its doesnt bring energy to the fan base. What is really the point of it? I think its time to move one from this one. Especially when may 25% of any given crowd is actually participating in the song and dance. That really just makes it look even worse.

That being said, I am all for trying to crowd cheers and getting the fans more involved. Recently sent an email the Dr. Chandler about this exact thing. These cheers can be manufactured pretty easily with signs and video graphics. Just need to get something new started with the new stadium.

cmett when was the last time you were at a home game with a full crowd? To say 25% participate is very low. It's weird, sure. But there is definitely engagement.

I haven't been to a home basketball game in a few years, but for football the participation for IC&C is far less than half. I stand by my 25% estimate.

The bigger problem is that it is really the only "tradition" that ODU recognizes during games. That is a MAJOR problem!

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

You are right about football, but at basketball games I would say at least 70% of students are participating. As our ONLY tradition it is kind of stupid, but if it were just another part of the atmosphere, I think it is fine. The larger issue of needing more traditions and better planning is absolutely true though, and there have been a lot of good suggestions here. I still like the idea of making freshmen take a class or engage in some sort of spirit even at least monthly where they can be made to feel like something bigger, and taught how to engage. You can have history lessons, teach chants, and just create an overall fun atmosphere where these kinds learn to have pride in their school, and learn how to show their pride at sporting events in a cohesive way. As someone else mentioned previously, this will ultimately lead to more engaged alums and more money.

I could be wrong on this, but I think the things you mention are part of the student orientation. I believe I saw some facebook post of kids going to this event (or something similar) and this was discussed. Having not been there, I could be mistaken.

And IC&C is pretty darn fun for basketball. The majority of the crowd is engaged for it, even if its just laughter. To say people are embarrassed is false.

Why does it have to have anything to do with ODU? Does Enter Sandman have anything to do with VT, for example? Its fun, it gets the crowd up and the kids (and students) have fun with it.

(01-23-2019 10:02 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  I haven't been to a home basketball game in a few years, but for football the participation for IC&C is far less than half. I stand by my 25% estimate.

The bigger problem is that it is really the only "tradition" that ODU recognizes during games. That is a MAJOR problem!

https://www.odu.edu/life/gettinginvolved...traditions

Ah yeah see I thought were talking basketball here since it's about our student section and DJ. I thought our student section in football has been awesome.

In basketball, IC&C definitely has traction and it's pretty fun. In football, it doesn't make sense.

(01-23-2019 10:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I could be wrong on this, but I think the things you mention are part of the student orientation. I believe I saw some facebook post of kids going to this event (or something similar) and this was discussed. Having not been there, I could be mistaken.

And IC&C is pretty darn fun for basketball. The majority of the crowd is engaged for it, even if its just laughter. To say people are embarrassed is false.

Why does it have to have anything to do with ODU? Does Enter Sandman have anything to do with VT, for example? Its fun, it gets the crowd up and the kids (and students) have fun with it.

IC&C doesnt get anyone pumped up. Its just something to entertain between breaks. As stated, it would be fine if it were a part of a group of traditions but it cant be the only one.

It looks so bad if that is the best and only "tradition" that we can come up with.

(01-23-2019 11:04 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 10:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I could be wrong on this, but I think the things you mention are part of the student orientation. I believe I saw some facebook post of kids going to this event (or something similar) and this was discussed. Having not been there, I could be mistaken.

And IC&C is pretty darn fun for basketball. The majority of the crowd is engaged for it, even if its just laughter. To say people are embarrassed is false.

Why does it have to have anything to do with ODU? Does Enter Sandman have anything to do with VT, for example? Its fun, it gets the crowd up and the kids (and students) have fun with it.

IC&C doesnt get anyone pumped up. Its just something to entertain between breaks. As stated, it would be fine if it were a part of a group of traditions but it cant be the only one.

It looks so bad if that is the best and only "tradition" that we can come up with.

To come full circle, the only thing that gets the crowd in the TED pumped up is the DJ. You should come back to town for a game one of these days, it's definitely better now than it was 2 years ago.

Seems the cell phone flashlight idea is rapidly becoming a tradition.

IC&C CAN be a great way to keep the crowd energized in a close game. regardless, I like it even though I don't do it.
Last game a young girl, probably 8-9 years old, was going crazy doing it. It was her first game so I asked her how she knew the routine so well. She said she was taught it in school. She was having a ball, who knows how that translates in a few years when she starts looking at colleges.

(01-23-2019 11:16 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Seems the cell phone flashlight idea is rapidly becoming a tradition.

IC&C CAN be a great way to keep the crowd energized in a close game. regardless, I like it even though I don't do it.
Last game a young girl, probably 8-9 years old, was going crazy doing it. It was her first game so I asked her how she knew the routine so well. She said she was taught it in school. She was having a ball, who knows how that translates in a few years when she starts looking at colleges.

Yeah, my 10 year old son has had a blast with it for years. We took my 3 year old daughter to the USM game and she had a blast trying to copy him doing IC&C. It probably doesn't doo much to energize students, but if nothing else, it makes for a better experience for the younger kids. If the kids are having fun, the adults are more likely to attend games. When you have multiple kids and a wife that is disinterested in basketball, you have a better value preposition to attend more games when you can take the kids and sell it as an evening the wife can relax in a quiet home for a few hours. Now that I know my 3 year old can make it through a game without melting down, I will likely get to more. IC&C gave that last boost of energy needed to cross the finish line, lol. Now it gives her something to look forward to and when it gets there, it is almost over. Kind of like the "Our Father" at mass, lol.

(01-23-2019 11:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 11:16 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Seems the cell phone flashlight idea is rapidly becoming a tradition.

IC&C CAN be a great way to keep the crowd energized in a close game. regardless, I like it even though I don't do it.
Last game a young girl, probably 8-9 years old, was going crazy doing it. It was her first game so I asked her how she knew the routine so well. She said she was taught it in school. She was having a ball, who knows how that translates in a few years when she starts looking at colleges.

Yeah, my 10 year old son has had a blast with it for years. We took my 3 year old daughter to the USM game and she had a blast trying to copy him doing IC&C. It probably doesn't doo much to energize students, but if nothing else, it makes for a better experience for the younger kids. If the kids are having fun, the adults are more likely to attend games. When you have multiple kids and a wife that is disinterested in basketball, you have a better value preposition to attend more games when you can take the kids and sell it as an evening the wife can relax in a quiet home for a few hours. Now that I know my 3 year old can make it through a game without melting down, I will likely get to more. IC&C gave that last boost of energy needed to cross the finish line, lol. Now it gives her something to look forward to and when it gets there, it is almost over. Kind of like the "Our Father" at mass, lol.

Exactly - last thing we should do is get rid of one of the only things that has actually caught on as tradition.

Hopefully the univsersity can find some way to use the house DJs as a conduit to connect with the students if they (ODU or it's students) aren't going to do it themseleves

(01-23-2019 11:41 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 11:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-23-2019 11:16 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Seems the cell phone flashlight idea is rapidly becoming a tradition.

IC&C CAN be a great way to keep the crowd energized in a close game. regardless, I like it even though I don't do it.
Last game a young girl, probably 8-9 years old, was going crazy doing it. It was her first game so I asked her how she knew the routine so well. She said she was taught it in school. She was having a ball, who knows how that translates in a few years when she starts looking at colleges.

Yeah, my 10 year old son has had a blast with it for years. We took my 3 year old daughter to the USM game and she had a blast trying to copy him doing IC&C. It probably doesn't doo much to energize students, but if nothing else, it makes for a better experience for the younger kids. If the kids are having fun, the adults are more likely to attend games. When you have multiple kids and a wife that is disinterested in basketball, you have a better value preposition to attend more games when you can take the kids and sell it as an evening the wife can relax in a quiet home for a few hours. Now that I know my 3 year old can make it through a game without melting down, I will likely get to more. IC&C gave that last boost of energy needed to cross the finish line, lol. Now it gives her something to look forward to and when it gets there, it is almost over. Kind of like the "Our Father" at mass, lol.

Exactly - last thing we should do is get rid of one of the only things that has actually caught on as tradition.

Hopefully the univsersity can find some way to use the house DJs as a conduit to connect with the students if they (ODU or it's students) aren't going to do it themseleves

ODU let all of the other traditions die 10 years ago so who cares about one more. I would be fine if they did away with IC&C, I really dont think anyone would miss it. Im also fine if its a part of a group of traditions (chants, cheers, student group actions, etc.) like it used to be. ODU has made a mess of the student section by not being innovative until the DJ came around. They have a long way to go to fix things and just keeping around one dance that pumps up some 8 year olds isnt going to cut it.

It seems like a lot of people on this board would miss IC&C based on the responses.

I do the Ice Cream and Cake every game.

(01-23-2019 11:52 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  It seems like a lot of people on this board would miss IC&C based on the responses.

You mean the 5 people that said they dont personally do it or they are not fan but fine if it stays around.

Its a tradition that sticks around because its the only thing ODU can claim, they dont do anything new or fresh. They just stick to one thing and its gotten old. Clearly its not getting enough students involved, students are board at the games. The game play doesn't help sometimes but ODU has not ingrained the correct message in the students.
Show up, bring energy and be Loud and Proud is what ODU should be telling the students. On TV I see shots of the students and half are on their phones and only a few are wearing ODU gear/colors. I dont understand how ODU doesnt see this as a problem. Then again even if they do, they arent going to do anything about it.

They can continue to work on fixing other things all while continuing IC&C.