(12-05-2018 10:28 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 10:20 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 10:17 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 10:06 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 10:00 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  We need to go full court press on Hayden Hefner. He has Rice ties, his grandfather(or great grandfather can't remember which one) was a professor at Rice many moons ago. This kid can flat out play. Top notch talent.

https://247sports.com/Player/Hayden-Hefner-46054092/

We haven't offered...

Think we have it just doesn’t show us... per post above and verbal commits.

He has offers from Tulane (7/18/18). Rice. (6/3/18). A&M (10/16/17). OU (9/27/17). UH (6/25/17). Lamar (6/29/17).

247 shows the ones they think he’s interested in or the ones he’s told them, not sure how that works.

well at least we have offered him. he is a great kid and an even better athlete. definitely worth throwing all we had into trying our best to get him to stay close to home.

I agree it’s great to go after guys like that, but it’s going to be hard to convince a kid to come play at Rice in front of an empty gym when he has offers to play SEC and Big12 basketball. OU played in MSG last night against ND. UH lost to michigan in the NCAA tournament and just opened a new arena where they beat #18 Oregon.

I’ll let the staff allocate their resources appropriately. Who knows if he already told them he’s not interested. The only thing we can sell him on is 1. A more respected degree (OU and A&M are good enough alumni networks it’s probably not a huge difference). 2. Earlier playing time.

The fact that his grandfather taught at Rice probably has 0 impact on his decision.

I will respectfully disagree with you. It does have an impact. I have spoken to his family, they are very high on Rice but what they can't get past is the quality of basketball and the lack of exposure. if you're a basketball recruit everyone is being told the same thing " you'll play early", its a part of the recruiting shuck and jive so you can throw that out. I can't remember what game i was watching the other night but other than a couple of schools many of the arenas are half full. Granted ours is less than that, but they have to know how to spin it to get better talent. with that comes pressure on the coach to deliver and help those kids progress and get nba ready. if we want to get good/great talent quick start putting guys in the nba.

Maybe we can use STRIVR to trick recruits into thinking we have fans who show up

(12-05-2018 01:45 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 10:28 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 10:20 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 10:17 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 10:06 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 10:00 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  We need to go full court press on Hayden Hefner. He has Rice ties, his grandfather(or great grandfather can't remember which one) was a professor at Rice many moons ago. This kid can flat out play. Top notch talent.

https://247sports.com/Player/Hayden-Hefner-46054092/

We haven't offered...

Think we have it just doesn’t show us... per post above and verbal commits.

He has offers from Tulane (7/18/18). Rice. (6/3/18). A&M (10/16/17). OU (9/27/17). UH (6/25/17). Lamar (6/29/17).

247 shows the ones they think he’s interested in or the ones he’s told them, not sure how that works.

well at least we have offered him. he is a great kid and an even better athlete. definitely worth throwing all we had into trying our best to get him to stay close to home.

I agree it’s great to go after guys like that, but it’s going to be hard to convince a kid to come play at Rice in front of an empty gym when he has offers to play SEC and Big12 basketball. OU played in MSG last night against ND. UH lost to michigan in the NCAA tournament and just opened a new arena where they beat #18 Oregon.

I’ll let the staff allocate their resources appropriately. Who knows if he already told them he’s not interested. The only thing we can sell him on is 1. A more respected degree (OU and A&M are good enough alumni networks it’s probably not a huge difference). 2. Earlier playing time.

The fact that his grandfather taught at Rice probably has 0 impact on his decision.

I will respectfully disagree with you. It does have an impact. I have spoken to his family, they are very high on Rice but what they can't get past is the quality of basketball and the lack of exposure. if you're a basketball recruit everyone is being told the same thing " you'll play early", its a part of the recruiting shuck and jive so you can throw that out. I can't remember what game i was watching the other night but other than a couple of schools many of the arenas are half full. Granted ours is less than that, but they have to know how to spin it to get better talent. with that comes pressure on the coach to deliver and help those kids progress and get nba ready. if we want to get good/great talent quick start putting guys in the nba.

It turns out that Hayden's great-great grandfather is Dr. Thomas Lindsay Blayney (1874-1971), who was a German professor on Rice's original faculty. He had met fellow native Kentuckian Edgar Odell Lovett in the late 1890s, when both were graduate students in Germany.

Melissa Kean featured him in several of her Rice History Corner blog posts (including, https://ricehistorycorner.com/2011/08/03...y-blayney/ and https://ricehistorycorner.com/2011/09/27...y-part-ii/) and he was prominent in a library exhibit about Rice & World War I (
https://exhibits.library.rice.edu/exhibi...aculty-wwi)

Moreover, Hayden's great-grandfather -- Charles Norman Hefner, Sr. (1905-1987) -- was married to a member of Rice's Class of 1930: Mary Hallie Berry (1908-1973). According to city directories, they lived at 2108 Wroxton in the 1940s & 50s. (He held various accounting and sales jobs over the years.)

(12-05-2018 07:35 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Moreover, Hayden's great-grandfather -- Charles Norman Hefner, Sr. (1905-1987) -- was married to a member of Rice's Class of 1930: Mary Hallie Berry (1908-1973). According to city directories, they lived at 2108 Wroxton in the 1940s & 50s. (He held various accounting and sales jobs over the years.)

The house at 2108 Wroxton is still there (built in 1940).

https://twitter.com/quincyolivari/status...56513?s=21

Majok Deng committed to Pepperdine, interestingly. Sounds like a situation where he and the coaching staff really connected. Also sounds like religion played a bit of a factor, as did major (he wants to pursue immigration law).

*also probably doesn't hurt that the campus is basically a resort. I'd consider Pepperdine if I were an athlete just for the official visit.

(12-31-2018 08:15 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Majok Deng committed to Pepperdine, interestingly. Sounds like a situation where he and the coaching staff really connected. Also sounds like religion played a bit of a factor, as did major (he wants to pursue immigration law).
*also probably doesn't hurt that the campus is basically a resort. I'd consider Pepperdine if I were an athlete just for the official visit.

When I was in high school, I got a scholarship offer from Pepperdine. I thin they had a practice of contacting every National Merit Scholar and offering a scholarship. At the time they were still located on their original campus in Watts. I wasn't very interested in that, so I didn't follow up.

Several years later, I'm doing basketball states at Rice and we are playing Pepperdine in basketball. Their basketball press guide was basically a tourist brochure filled with views of the campus. "What happened to Watts?" I asked, and was told the story of the move. Believe me, if I'd known that, I might have given them more consideration.

(12-31-2018 08:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 08:15 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Majok Deng committed to Pepperdine, interestingly. Sounds like a situation where he and the coaching staff really connected. Also sounds like religion played a bit of a factor, as did major (he wants to pursue immigration law).
*also probably doesn't hurt that the campus is basically a resort. I'd consider Pepperdine if I were an athlete just for the official visit.

When I was in high school, I got a scholarship offer from Pepperdine. I thin they had a practice of contacting every National Merit Scholar and offering a scholarship. At the time they were still located on their original campus in Watts. I wasn't very interested in that, so I didn't follow up.

Several years later, I'm doing basketball states at Rice and we are playing Pepperdine in basketball. Their basketball press guide was basically a tourist brochure filled with views of the campus. "What happened to Watts?" I asked, and was told the story of the move. Believe me, if I'd known that, I might have given them more consideration.

Here's a link to some of the recollections of that move by former Pepperdine (and, later, University of Oklahoma) president, Bill Banowsky ... touting his memoir/book about the transition, "The Malibu Miracle": https://newsroom.pepperdine.edu/magazine...bu-miracle

Pretty big news on the recruiting front that 2020 PG Lamont Butler is on an official visit for a couple of days. He's a 6-1 true PG who's garnered interest from about every PAC 12 school (USC, Gonzaga, and Utah sent coaches to see him last week) and has offers from Harvard, San Diego State, Saint Mary's, and Washington. He didn't mention Rice as one of the schools recruiting him the hardest in a recent article, but clearly there's enough communication that he would visit.

One of those guys that won't average 25+ per game in HS, but has nearly 10+ assists every game. Still working on his shot, but smart kid who could probably lead a college team immediately if he puts on some weight.

On the negative side, 4* 2020 PG Jahari Long (Texas) didn't mention Rice as one of his leaders although he did say we're among the schools he's in most communication with (along with 6 others). Interestingly, he's high on VCU because Rhoades and his staff started recruiting him in middle school. So it appears that he's closer with Rhoades/Byers/Scott than Pera, which probably isn't good news.

Might as well keep adding to this post. Looks like we watched Zy Wright last week. 2020 guard out of Georgia. Also reached out to Christian Chambers, a 2020 6-2 combo out of Georgia.

(01-03-2019 09:38 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Pretty big news on the recruiting front that 2020 PG Lamont Butler is on an official visit for a couple of days. He's a 6-1 true PG who's garnered interest from about every PAC 12 school (USC, Gonzaga, and Utah sent coaches to see him last week) and has offers from Harvard, San Diego State, Saint Mary's, and Washington. He didn't mention Rice as one of the schools recruiting him the hardest in a recent article, but clearly there's enough communication that he would visit.

One of those guys that won't average 25+ per game in HS, but has nearly 10+ assists every game. Still working on his shot, but smart kid who could probably lead a college team immediately if he puts on some weight.

On the negative side, 4* 2020 PG Jahari Long (Texas) didn't mention Rice as one of his leaders although he did say we're among the schools he's in most communication with (along with 6 others). Interestingly, he's high on VCU because Rhoades and his staff started recruiting him in middle school. So it appears that he's closer with Rhoades/Byers/Scott than Pera, which probably isn't good news.

Might as well keep adding to this post. Looks like we watched Zy Wright last week. 2020 guard out of Georgia. Also reached out to Christian Chambers, a 2020 6-2 combo out of Georgia.

Our biggest need is a true PG. It is great that our SGs can handle the ball a run plays but a true PG is one that garners assists like Butler. If we could land someone like Dana Hardy it would be huge.

(01-04-2019 10:19 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(01-03-2019 09:38 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Pretty big news on the recruiting front that 2020 PG Lamont Butler is on an official visit for a couple of days. He's a 6-1 true PG who's garnered interest from about every PAC 12 school (USC, Gonzaga, and Utah sent coaches to see him last week) and has offers from Harvard, San Diego State, Saint Mary's, and Washington. He didn't mention Rice as one of the schools recruiting him the hardest in a recent article, but clearly there's enough communication that he would visit.

One of those guys that won't average 25+ per game in HS, but has nearly 10+ assists every game. Still working on his shot, but smart kid who could probably lead a college team immediately if he puts on some weight.

On the negative side, 4* 2020 PG Jahari Long (Texas) didn't mention Rice as one of his leaders although he did say we're among the schools he's in most communication with (along with 6 others). Interestingly, he's high on VCU because Rhoades and his staff started recruiting him in middle school. So it appears that he's closer with Rhoades/Byers/Scott than Pera, which probably isn't good news.

Might as well keep adding to this post. Looks like we watched Zy Wright last week. 2020 guard out of Georgia. Also reached out to Christian Chambers, a 2020 6-2 combo out of Georgia.

Our biggest need is a true PG. It is great that our SGs can handle the ball a run plays but a true PG is one that garners assists like Butler. If we could land someone like Dana Hardy it would be huge.

Update on next year’s guys:

Quincy Olivari seems to be having a pretty solid senior year in Georgia. His team was top 10 in the state early on and beat the top ranked team in a tournament. He’s listed as a 6’-0 PG but some sites say 6’3 or 6’4. He seems more like a scoring guard similar to Ako than a pure assist guy like some of y’all seem to want.

Zach Crisler looks to be averaging double digits from the articles I’ve seen. His team is undefeated in conference (PA)

Max Fiedler also averaging double digits in the score reports I saw. Team looks to be 6-1 as of mid December (FL).

2018 top 100 recruit Kaden Archie is transferring from TCU. Didn't play in a game. 6-6 forward from Dallas. Doesn't look like we offered him or showed any interest (he was obviously a blue chip recruit...offers from Kansas, Florida, Illinois, OK State, Texas Tech, etc.), but he did hold an offer from Virginia so he's gotta be decently smart. Probably never gonna happen, but doesn't hurt to make a phone call. Maybe he wants to try to dominate at a lower level.

(01-04-2019 07:54 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  2018 top 100 recruit Kaden Archie is transferring from TCU. Didn't play in a game. 6-6 forward from Dallas. Doesn't look like we offered him or showed any interest (he was obviously a blue chip recruit...offers from Kansas, Florida, Illinois, OK State, Texas Tech, etc.), but he did hold an offer from Virginia so he's gotta be decently smart. Probably never gonna happen, but doesn't hurt to make a phone call. Maybe he wants to try to dominate at a lower level.

UVA basketball, just like Duke, have a totally different admissions policy than the rest of the school. I very much doubt this guy would qualify for Rice.

(01-04-2019 08:32 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 07:54 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  2018 top 100 recruit Kaden Archie is transferring from TCU. Didn't play in a game. 6-6 forward from Dallas. Doesn't look like we offered him or showed any interest (he was obviously a blue chip recruit...offers from Kansas, Florida, Illinois, OK State, Texas Tech, etc.), but he did hold an offer from Virginia so he's gotta be decently smart. Probably never gonna happen, but doesn't hurt to make a phone call. Maybe he wants to try to dominate at a lower level.

UVA basketball, just like Duke, have a totally different admissions policy than the rest of the school. I very much this guy would qualify for Rice.

As does Rice basketball...

(01-03-2019 09:38 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Pretty big news on the recruiting front that 2020 PG Lamont Butler is on an official visit for a couple of days. He's a 6-1 true PG who's garnered interest from about every PAC 12 school (USC, Gonzaga, and Utah sent coaches to see him last week) and has offers from Harvard, San Diego State, Saint Mary's, and Washington. He didn't mention Rice as one of the schools recruiting him the hardest in a recent article, but clearly there's enough communication that he would visit.

One of those guys that won't average 25+ per game in HS, but has nearly 10+ assists every game. Still working on his shot, but smart kid who could probably lead a college team immediately if he puts on some weight.

On the negative side, 4* 2020 PG Jahari Long (Texas) didn't mention Rice as one of his leaders although he did say we're among the schools he's in most communication with (along with 6 others). Interestingly, he's high on VCU because Rhoades and his staff started recruiting him in middle school. So it appears that he's closer with Rhoades/Byers/Scott than Pera, which probably isn't good news.

Might as well keep adding to this post. Looks like we watched Zy Wright last week. 2020 guard out of Georgia. Also reached out to Christian Chambers, a 2020 6-2 combo out of Georgia.

https://twitter.com/lamontbutler5/status...40416?s=21

(01-04-2019 10:51 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(01-03-2019 09:38 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Pretty big news on the recruiting front that 2020 PG Lamont Butler is on an official visit for a couple of days. He's a 6-1 true PG who's garnered interest from about every PAC 12 school (USC, Gonzaga, and Utah sent coaches to see him last week) and has offers from Harvard, San Diego State, Saint Mary's, and Washington. He didn't mention Rice as one of the schools recruiting him the hardest in a recent article, but clearly there's enough communication that he would visit.

One of those guys that won't average 25+ per game in HS, but has nearly 10+ assists every game. Still working on his shot, but smart kid who could probably lead a college team immediately if he puts on some weight.

On the negative side, 4* 2020 PG Jahari Long (Texas) didn't mention Rice as one of his leaders although he did say we're among the schools he's in most communication with (along with 6 others). Interestingly, he's high on VCU because Rhoades and his staff started recruiting him in middle school. So it appears that he's closer with Rhoades/Byers/Scott than Pera, which probably isn't good news.

Might as well keep adding to this post. Looks like we watched Zy Wright last week. 2020 guard out of Georgia. Also reached out to Christian Chambers, a 2020 6-2 combo out of Georgia.

https://twitter.com/lamontbutler5/status...40416?s=21

That's pretty encouraging coming from his dad.

(01-04-2019 10:55 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 10:51 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(01-03-2019 09:38 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Pretty big news on the recruiting front that 2020 PG Lamont Butler is on an official visit for a couple of days. He's a 6-1 true PG who's garnered interest from about every PAC 12 school (USC, Gonzaga, and Utah sent coaches to see him last week) and has offers from Harvard, San Diego State, Saint Mary's, and Washington. He didn't mention Rice as one of the schools recruiting him the hardest in a recent article, but clearly there's enough communication that he would visit.

One of those guys that won't average 25+ per game in HS, but has nearly 10+ assists every game. Still working on his shot, but smart kid who could probably lead a college team immediately if he puts on some weight.

On the negative side, 4* 2020 PG Jahari Long (Texas) didn't mention Rice as one of his leaders although he did say we're among the schools he's in most communication with (along with 6 others). Interestingly, he's high on VCU because Rhoades and his staff started recruiting him in middle school. So it appears that he's closer with Rhoades/Byers/Scott than Pera, which probably isn't good news.

Might as well keep adding to this post. Looks like we watched Zy Wright last week. 2020 guard out of Georgia. Also reached out to Christian Chambers, a 2020 6-2 combo out of Georgia.

https://twitter.com/lamontbutler5/status...40416?s=21

That's pretty encouraging coming from his dad.

I thought this reply to the tweet was interesting.

https://twitter.com/ajg_20/status/108104...66689?s=21

(01-04-2019 08:37 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 08:32 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 07:54 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  2018 top 100 recruit Kaden Archie is transferring from TCU. Didn't play in a game. 6-6 forward from Dallas. Doesn't look like we offered him or showed any interest (he was obviously a blue chip recruit...offers from Kansas, Florida, Illinois, OK State, Texas Tech, etc.), but he did hold an offer from Virginia so he's gotta be decently smart. Probably never gonna happen, but doesn't hurt to make a phone call. Maybe he wants to try to dominate at a lower level.

UVA basketball, just like Duke, have a totally different admissions policy than the rest of the school. I very much this guy would qualify for Rice.

As does Rice basketball...

And transfers have some different ways of qualifying to get into Rice, versus coming through the high school application process. Happens for athletes, as well as non-athletes, at lots of schools. Show you can handle the college class load with good grades, and those HS numbers may not matter as much.

Interestingly, I found a quick blurb on his academics where he took AP history in HS. So clearly, he wasn't afraid to challenge himself.

http://endlessmotor.net/2016/06/04/getti...en-archie/

3* 6'0" 160 PG Scottie Pippin commits to Vanderbilt.

Also recruited by Colorado State, UC-Davis, UC-Santa Barbara, Washington State

https://twitter.com/reedmyers14

Not sure if we've mentioned this guy anywhere yet or not but Reed Myers is a 6-1 point guard out of a small private school in Arizona who has committed to Rice. He's a senior but I'm not sure if he will be on scholarship or not. My guess is he will be a walk-on (for now).