(01-11-2019 05:56 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 05:14 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 02:40 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:19 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 07:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Idc where you fall on border security, putting a wall up won’t stop anything. Physical barriers can easily be overcome and are ineffective. The only surefire way to seal an open border would be to mine it but I doubt private land owners would like that.

Patton suggested that fortifications were monuments to the stupidity of man.

And yet, Israel says they are 99% effective along their border.

There are all kinds of tunnels under their border wall..

And there is proof of this HOW?

It’s a major problem and it’s why Israel stopped steel and concrete from going into Palestine for some time now. Bc the steel and concrete they were supposedly using to build infrastructure was being used to build tunnels.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestin...Gaza_Strip

Tons of stuff on google about this.

Israel has been imploding those tunnels of late. I follow IDF on twitter and they post videos of blowing those tunnels up.

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:34 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I did watch the video and my take away was that people, regardless of sex or age are willing to throw themselves out of 4 story windows, brave armed guards, and run through razor wire to get to their idea of freedom. I see human beings that are motivated enough won’t let a wall stop them. You may call me dense but I don’t think you can see the forest through the trees.

There are 15K stopped at the Tijuana border right now—causing problems for that city. So, yes—-apparently you can stop them.

The wall isn’t stopping them. What’s stopping them is they’re waiting to turn themselves into a port of entry as per the legal route of doing it. They could’ve walked through a desert wasteland and got in that way if they wanted.

Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

You totally missed the point. They begin the journey with the hopes of breaking into the country undetected. Very few get in via the asylum route. If they KNOW ahead of time that they can no longer go to that vast open desert area to walk across the border into the USA, but would have to try to scale a very high wall instead, THAT is the deterrent to endure the rest of the hardship. The wall presents not only a huge physical obstacle but a physiological one as well. Not many women are going to successfully scale a significant border wall built specifically to make such a thing difficult.

Sure, they can still come and wait for a year or more in Tijuana till their name is called to present their case for asylum, at which point it will most likely be denied and they will then either remain in Mexico or return to their homeland.

(01-11-2019 04:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I promise that I am not trying to antagonize you, or anyone else. And perhaps I am a victim of "TDS" - - whatever that entails. But when I hear President Trump speak on any topic, I hear someone with (at best) a high-school level grasp of he subject matter.

Sometimes that's helpful. You don't need to be a tax expert to understand that lower tax rates means more incentive to productivity. Or that international bullies need to be stared down, not paid off. On those issues, President Trump is comfortably in his wheelhouse.

Yet immigration is not a simple issue, not even close. And, no, I don't hear anything but a simple-minded fixation from President Trump on the need for a wall.

You're getting the media spin constantly drummed in your head.

The guy went to Wharton. He managed a business worth billions. He got outspent by 1.2 billion to 500 million and had almost the entire media working against him (along with some of his own tweeting) and outsmarted them all and won the election.

And you can't communicate complicated problems in TV sound-bite segments. If you honestly listen to various politicians, almost any that get elected talk pretty simplistically.

He's also not a theory guy. He's a deal guy.

Policy wonks never get elected. You have to communicate in emotional and concrete ways. The wall is both emotional and concrete (and steel).

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:34 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I did watch the video and my take away was that people, regardless of sex or age are willing to throw themselves out of 4 story windows, brave armed guards, and run through razor wire to get to their idea of freedom. I see human beings that are motivated enough won’t let a wall stop them. You may call me dense but I don’t think you can see the forest through the trees.

There are 15K stopped at the Tijuana border right now—causing problems for that city. So, yes—-apparently you can stop them.

The wall isn’t stopping them. What’s stopping them is they’re waiting to turn themselves into a port of entry as per the legal route of doing it. They could’ve walked through a desert wasteland and got in that way if they wanted.

Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

Another reason that is a crazy statement .... Any woman that is capable of doing so will have her period at some point during the long journey of several months traveling from somewhere like Honduras. Likewise, they will not have it during the vast majority of the trek.

(01-11-2019 06:46 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There are 15K stopped at the Tijuana border right now—causing problems for that city. So, yes—-apparently you can stop them.

The wall isn’t stopping them. What’s stopping them is they’re waiting to turn themselves into a port of entry as per the legal route of doing it. They could’ve walked through a desert wasteland and got in that way if they wanted.

Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

You totally missed the point. They begin the journey with the hopes of breaking into the country undetected. Very few get in via the asylum route. If they KNOW ahead of time that they can no longer go to that vast open desert area to walk across the border into the USA, but would have to try to scale a very high wall instead, THAT is the deterrent to endure the rest of the hardship. The wall presents not only a huge physical obstacle but a physiological one as well. Not many women are going to successfully scale a significant border wall built specifically to make such a thing difficult.

Sure, they can still come and wait for a year or more in Tijuana till their name is called to present their case for asylum, at which point it will most likely be denied and they will then either remain in Mexico or return to their homeland.

I didn’t miss the point. You underestimate the human will. This woman was 9 months pregnant and jumped the fence to give birth.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/honduran-woma...-mile-trip

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:34 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I did watch the video and my take away was that people, regardless of sex or age are willing to throw themselves out of 4 story windows, brave armed guards, and run through razor wire to get to their idea of freedom. I see human beings that are motivated enough won’t let a wall stop them. You may call me dense but I don’t think you can see the forest through the trees.

There are 15K stopped at the Tijuana border right now—causing problems for that city. So, yes—-apparently you can stop them.

The wall isn’t stopping them. What’s stopping them is they’re waiting to turn themselves into a port of entry as per the legal route of doing it. They could’ve walked through a desert wasteland and got in that way if they wanted.

Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

(01-12-2019 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There are 15K stopped at the Tijuana border right now—causing problems for that city. So, yes—-apparently you can stop them.

The wall isn’t stopping them. What’s stopping them is they’re waiting to turn themselves into a port of entry as per the legal route of doing it. They could’ve walked through a desert wasteland and got in that way if they wanted.

Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Its already declined since Obama invited them in with his policies. It spiked after his pronouncement and dropped when Trump became president.

The mass of children is basically a problem created by Obama. It didn't exist until they started letting women with kids through. These unskilled illegal immigrants aren't as stupid as the politicians in Washington.

(01-12-2019 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 09:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There are 15K stopped at the Tijuana border right now—causing problems for that city. So, yes—-apparently you can stop them.

The wall isn’t stopping them. What’s stopping them is they’re waiting to turn themselves into a port of entry as per the legal route of doing it. They could’ve walked through a desert wasteland and got in that way if they wanted.

Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:29 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  The wall isn’t stopping them. What’s stopping them is they’re waiting to turn themselves into a port of entry as per the legal route of doing it. They could’ve walked through a desert wasteland and got in that way if they wanted.

Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

I think a wall makes sense in a lot of places, but a single border-long wall would likely do more harm than good. There are a lot of unintended consequences. So I don't support Trump's wall, except as part of a larger rational and comprehensive immigration policy. But democrats don't want that. They want a steady stream of illegals that they can turn into citizens and democrat voters.

So I find myself hugely opposed to both sides on this issue. Which is where I am increasingly finding myself on almost all issues.

(01-12-2019 12:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think a wall makes sense in a lot of places, but a single border-long wall would likely do more harm than good. There are a lot of unintended consequences. So I don't support Trump's wall, except as part of a larger rational and comprehensive immigration policy. But democrats don't want that. They want a steady stream of illegals that they can turn into citizens and democrat voters.

So I find myself hugely opposed to both sides on this issue. Which is where I am increasingly finding myself on almost all issues.

Harm to what? Who said anything about a wall the whole length of the border? Trump didn't.

(01-12-2019 12:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 12:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think a wall makes sense in a lot of places, but a single border-long wall would likely do more harm than good. There are a lot of unintended consequences. So I don't support Trump's wall, except as part of a larger rational and comprehensive immigration policy. But democrats don't want that. They want a steady stream of illegals that they can turn into citizens and democrat voters.
So I find myself hugely opposed to both sides on this issue. Which is where I am increasingly finding myself on almost all issues.

Harm to what? Who said anything about a wall the whole length of the border? Trump didn't.

Well, that's the way it's being portrayed. Of course that's just the same old reductio ad absurdiam approach that the left likes to take on everything.

I think a mix of wall, electronic and other surveillance, and upgraded border patrols are the way to go. But here's the problem. Democrats promised that 30 years ago to get Reagan to grant amnesty. Then democrats welshed on their end of the bargain. The deal has to be ironclad to get republicans to trust democrats now. And a wall is about as ironclad as you can get--once it's there, it's there.

The big problem is that republicans see through the democrat smoke screen. "We want secure borders too," they say, "as long as we don't do anything to secure them." They need to align their actions with their words.

(01-12-2019 11:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Which is why a formidable wall is necessary. Sorry, but it just doesn't fly that everyone, or even most everyone is going to suddenly have strength and agility that they didn't have before and scale a formidable structure. On top of that, those that may be able to do it will be a much smaller percentage of people to deal with and coming slowly over the structure, instead of being on the dead run as they would have been otherwise, for the Border Patrol to apprehend.

A middle aged woman with young kids (for example) is going to see this as a significant reason not to attempt to break into the country and therefore may well decide not to make the trip to the border at all.

Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.

(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.

I believe that's the law today. Those crossing over illegally are not worried about citizenship. When you have states willing not to ask are you here legally, give out state IDs to them...

so if there's laws in place yet millions still try crossing the border. Why not do something to stop the flow? Walls work and only people that close their eyes and stick their finger in their ears and refuse to see or hear the data....

believe they dont

(01-12-2019 12:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 12:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 12:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think a wall makes sense in a lot of places, but a single border-long wall would likely do more harm than good. There are a lot of unintended consequences. So I don't support Trump's wall, except as part of a larger rational and comprehensive immigration policy. But democrats don't want that. They want a steady stream of illegals that they can turn into citizens and democrat voters.
So I find myself hugely opposed to both sides on this issue. Which is where I am increasingly finding myself on almost all issues.

Harm to what? Who said anything about a wall the whole length of the border? Trump didn't.

Well, that's the way it's being portrayed. Of course that's just the same old reductio ad absurdiam approach that the left likes to take on everything.

I think a mix of wall, electronic and other surveillance, and upgraded border patrols are the way to go. But here's the problem. Democrats promised that 30 years ago to get Reagan to grant amnesty. Then democrats welshed on their end of the bargain. The deal has to be ironclad to get republicans to trust democrats now. And a wall is about as ironclad as you can get--once it's there, it's there.

The big problem is that republicans see through the democrat smoke screen. "We want secure borders too," they say, "as long as we don't do anything to secure them." They need to align their actions with their words.

The President has said many times you dont need 2000 miles of wall. He said it in 2016, he said it in 2017 and he said it in 2018

Quote:Aug. 10, 2016 campaign speech in Virginia:


We have 2,000 miles, of which we really need 1,000 miles, because you have a lot of natural barriers — lot of natural barriers.

Who's being harmed?

The democrat mantra, "I'm opposed to illegal immigration, but I don't want to do anything to stop it, because tat's my stream of future voters."

When your strategy is, "Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em poor, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you'll keep 'em voting democrat," nothing is better than a steady stream of uneducated poor people.

(01-12-2019 12:58 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.

I believe that's the law today. Those crossing over illegally are not worried about citizenship. When you have states willing not to ask are you here legally, give out state IDs to them...

so if there's laws in place yet millions still try crossing the border. Why not do something to stop the flow? Walls work and only people that close their eyes and stick their finger in their ears and refuse to see or hear the data....

believe they dont

That’s not the law today. Some do want citizenship and some are awful criminals. If we disincentivize the reason to come here perhaps we can stop the flow even more before it starts. Someone who posted before had some great ideas about legislation for prevention and addressing their incentives.

(01-12-2019 12:50 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 03:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 04:40 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Women will make this trip while menstrating just to decrease the chances of rape. So they’ll risk rape, but just turn around when they see a wall. This article is from the Obama era https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/faci...th-control

This one from this year. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washi...0-assaults

That’s the dumbest thing ever stated. These journeys take more than a week or so. They last months. No body is menstrating for months.

As for the wall—yeah—these women will turn around because they and thier children can’t climb the 30 foot wall. More likley, as word spreads—they stay where they are and quit risking thier children’s lives once they realize there is no way to just walk in.

Yeah I imagine it’s not just dangerous in one spot though. Anyhow, this woman was impaled by construction rebar on the other side after jumping with her 3/5 year olds. So you’re wrong again.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/woman-impa...co-border/

This is who you're siding with? This is your argument? Someone that gets themselves injured and places their children at risk while committing a criminal act. The article even states that they were close to a port of entry where they could LEGALLY state their case, but instead decided to try to break into the country.

Would you prefer strangers that come to your house for some reason ring your doorbell, or break in through your bedroom window? How bad would you feel about it if they did break into your house like that and cut themselves on the window glass in the process? I'm betting that their cuts would be a much lesser story to you than the fact that they broke into your house would be.

It's against the law!!! They are criminals!!! End of story.

You’re drawing your own conclusion. I never said I was for illegal immigration, in fact the opposite. I don’t like illegal immigration. My point has been I don’t think a wall will be effective in stopping it.

I think we should change the laws. I think if we changed the law to where if someone came in illegally they are ineligible for citizenship and social benefits.

And I posted stat after stat and articles that prove how effective border fencing systems are. The fence systems are very effective.