(01-12-2019 09:21 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 08:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 08:32 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  With insurance being rediculously expensive and to have a kid without insurance would ruin most people my age. Anyone with a job and a shred of intelligence know they can't afford a kid. With the latest child of hours the pre insurance cost was $7800. And with the lovely Obamacare I had my wife on back then the post insurance bill was still close to 3k.

So I'd be willing to bet financial limits are a big part of this stat

But the poor are the ones having the most kids!

it's a ticking time bomb....and dems want to let more cross over....lmfao at stupidity....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/2415...in-the-us/

Insane.

not only is it insane from a long term economic support burden, but we're breeding and kowtowing to folks that are dumber than a sack of rocks....

this is why many millennials are scared to death.....they grew up watching this happen all over the country....

wealth division in ~30 yrs will hit critical mass....maybe before then....

(01-12-2019 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:21 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 08:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 08:32 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  With insurance being rediculously expensive and to have a kid without insurance would ruin most people my age. Anyone with a job and a shred of intelligence know they can't afford a kid. With the latest child of hours the pre insurance cost was $7800. And with the lovely Obamacare I had my wife on back then the post insurance bill was still close to 3k.

So I'd be willing to bet financial limits are a big part of this stat

But the poor are the ones having the most kids!

it's a ticking time bomb....and dems want to let more cross over....lmfao at stupidity....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/2415...in-the-us/

Insane.

not only is it insane from a long term economic support burden, but we're breeding and kowtowing to folks that are dumber than a sack of rocks....

this is why many millennials are scared to death.....they grew up watching this happen all over the country....

wealth division in ~30 yrs will hit critical mass....maybe before then....

They've compared the Lincoln/Douglas debates when much more of the population was illiterate and it was night and day compared to current debates. Theirs' had a much higher level of language and vocabulary.

(01-12-2019 11:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:21 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 08:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  But the poor are the ones having the most kids!

it's a ticking time bomb....and dems want to let more cross over....lmfao at stupidity....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/2415...in-the-us/

Insane.

not only is it insane from a long term economic support burden, but we're breeding and kowtowing to folks that are dumber than a sack of rocks....

this is why many millennials are scared to death.....they grew up watching this happen all over the country....

wealth division in ~30 yrs will hit critical mass....maybe before then....

They've compared the Lincoln/Douglas debates when much more of the population was illiterate and it was night and day compared to current debates. Theirs' had a much higher level of language and vocabulary.

case in point....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...551573002/

Quote:Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the 29-year-old Congress freshman from New York, clapped back at longtime Democrat turned Independent Joe Lieberman after he said she wasn't the future of the party. "New party, who dis?" Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter in response to Lieberman's criticism.

(01-12-2019 11:41 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:21 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  it's a ticking time bomb....and dems want to let more cross over....lmfao at stupidity....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/2415...in-the-us/

Insane.

not only is it insane from a long term economic support burden, but we're breeding and kowtowing to folks that are dumber than a sack of rocks....

this is why many millennials are scared to death.....they grew up watching this happen all over the country....

wealth division in ~30 yrs will hit critical mass....maybe before then....

They've compared the Lincoln/Douglas debates when much more of the population was illiterate and it was night and day compared to current debates. Theirs' had a much higher level of language and vocabulary.

case in point....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...551573002/

Quote:Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the 29-year-old Congress freshman from New York, clapped back at longtime Democrat turned Independent Joe Lieberman after he said she wasn't the future of the party. "New party, who dis?" Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter in response to Lieberman's criticism.

You boys are late to the game. In the late 70's the birth rate was very similar if you were looking at race, income, and age of first birth. Back then the average Hispanic in the U.S. gave birth at 15.5 years of age and would have 5 children on average in her lifetime. The average African American woman gave birth at age 17 and would have 3 children in her lifetime. The average Caucasian woman would have her first child at 21 and would have 1.5 children in her lifetime. Birth rates for all 3 races declined when average household income went up. In 1979 the projection for the timeline in which Hispanics passed African Americans as the leading minority in this country was around 2032. At the rate of immigration in the late 70's plus the birth rate, and factoring in the average age at which women in that demographic started families it was estimated they would pass Caucasians before the end of the 21st century.

Now other factors play into this. Religion is one since Catholics are still dicey on birth control. Poverty in that kids actually leave the nest sooner and start their own families sooner when in poverty and part of that was once due to welfare incentives. Affluence has tended to be an indicator of fewer children for a long time. It was once considered gosh for women to have more than two in some upper crust social circles during the Victorian era.

Add to the mix today the declining rates of testosterone due to consumption of foods in plastics and I can certainly see these trends continuing but for reasons beyond those of race, religion, and socio-economic class.

And now that kids don't date, have nowhere to go dancing, can't afford the movies or a nice dinner out, and live on electronic devices the chances of getting to know someone else well enough to fall in love are greatly diminished. I'd say we may be screwed already and that the so called enlightened industrial nations are going to fall to ravages of a new dark age as the poor everywhere take them over by breeding rather than warfare.

The insanity at work here is permitting an illegal access to giving birth in a nation where you are declared a citizen because of ownership of the property upon which you are born. That worked fine in the early years of the nation when population was needed. It is an unmitigated disaster now.

In Japan the National Government is paying for weekend social mixers at nice locations for young marriageable aged women and men in hopes of stimulating the birth rate.

Until someone figures out how to impregnate a woman via Facebook, email, or text, I'd say we're screwed as a species.

(01-12-2019 12:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:41 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:21 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Insane.

not only is it insane from a long term economic support burden, but we're breeding and kowtowing to folks that are dumber than a sack of rocks....

this is why many millennials are scared to death.....they grew up watching this happen all over the country....

wealth division in ~30 yrs will hit critical mass....maybe before then....

They've compared the Lincoln/Douglas debates when much more of the population was illiterate and it was night and day compared to current debates. Theirs' had a much higher level of language and vocabulary.

case in point....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...551573002/

Quote:Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the 29-year-old Congress freshman from New York, clapped back at longtime Democrat turned Independent Joe Lieberman after he said she wasn't the future of the party. "New party, who dis?" Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter in response to Lieberman's criticism.

You boys are late to the game. In the late 70's the birth rate was very similar if you were looking at race, income, and age of first birth. Back then the average Hispanic in the U.S. gave birth at 15.5 years of age and would have 5 children on average in her lifetime. The average African American woman gave birth at age 17 and would have 3 children in her lifetime. The average Caucasian woman would have her first child at 21 and would have 1.5 children in her lifetime. Birth rates for all 3 races declined when average household income went up. In 1979 the projection for the timeline in which Hispanics passed African Americans as the leading minority in this country was around 2032. At the rate of immigration in the late 70's plus the birth rate, and factoring in the average age at which women in that demographic started families it was estimated they would pass Caucasians before the end of the 21st century.

Now other factors play into this. Religion is one since Catholics are still dicey on birth control. Poverty in that kids actually leave the nest sooner and start their own families sooner when in poverty and part of that was once due to welfare incentives. Affluence has tended to be an indicator of fewer children for a long time. It was once considered gosh for women to have more than two in some upper crust social circles during the Victorian era.

Add to the mix today the declining rates of testosterone due to consumption of foods in plastics and I can certainly see these trends continuing but for reasons beyond those of race, religion, and socio-economic class.

And now that kids don't date, have nowhere to go dancing, can't afford the movies or a nice dinner out, and live on electronic devices the chances of getting to know someone else well enough to fall in love are greatly diminished. I'd say we may be screwed already and that the so called enlightened industrial nations are going to fall to ravages of a new dark age as the poor everywhere take them over by breeding rather than warfare.

The insanity at work here is permitting an illegal access to giving birth in a nation where you are declared a citizen because of ownership of the property upon which you are born. That worked fine in the early years of the nation when population was needed. It is an unmitigated disaster now.

In Japan the National Government is paying for weekend social mixers at nice locations for young marriageable aged women and men in hopes of stimulating the birth rate.

Until someone figures out how to impregnate a woman via Facebook, email, or text, I'd say we're screwed as a species.

Those projections were off. Hispanics have already surpassed the black population wise. It just depends how you define Hispanic because if you are born in the USA you are not Hispanic technically, but people have been conditioned to check that box although some Mestizos check white. Most Harnizos and Castizos check white especially with a white dad.

Via self reporting Americans by country of origin, 1) Germany, 2) Mexico, 3) Ireland.
Regarding the inability to socialize it also exists outside of the home. 90% of people at the gym have their ear buds in and are checked out socially. They are playing around on social media and there are actual humans right there if front of them.

This is great news for conservation.

(01-12-2019 12:28 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 12:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:41 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  not only is it insane from a long term economic support burden, but we're breeding and kowtowing to folks that are dumber than a sack of rocks....

this is why many millennials are scared to death.....they grew up watching this happen all over the country....

wealth division in ~30 yrs will hit critical mass....maybe before then....

They've compared the Lincoln/Douglas debates when much more of the population was illiterate and it was night and day compared to current debates. Theirs' had a much higher level of language and vocabulary.

case in point....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...551573002/

Quote:Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the 29-year-old Congress freshman from New York, clapped back at longtime Democrat turned Independent Joe Lieberman after he said she wasn't the future of the party. "New party, who dis?" Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter in response to Lieberman's criticism.

You boys are late to the game. In the late 70's the birth rate was very similar if you were looking at race, income, and age of first birth. Back then the average Hispanic in the U.S. gave birth at 15.5 years of age and would have 5 children on average in her lifetime. The average African American woman gave birth at age 17 and would have 3 children in her lifetime. The average Caucasian woman would have her first child at 21 and would have 1.5 children in her lifetime. Birth rates for all 3 races declined when average household income went up. In 1979 the projection for the timeline in which Hispanics passed African Americans as the leading minority in this country was around 2032. At the rate of immigration in the late 70's plus the birth rate, and factoring in the average age at which women in that demographic started families it was estimated they would pass Caucasians before the end of the 21st century.

Now other factors play into this. Religion is one since Catholics are still dicey on birth control. Poverty in that kids actually leave the nest sooner and start their own families sooner when in poverty and part of that was once due to welfare incentives. Affluence has tended to be an indicator of fewer children for a long time. It was once considered gosh for women to have more than two in some upper crust social circles during the Victorian era.

Add to the mix today the declining rates of testosterone due to consumption of foods in plastics and I can certainly see these trends continuing but for reasons beyond those of race, religion, and socio-economic class.

And now that kids don't date, have nowhere to go dancing, can't afford the movies or a nice dinner out, and live on electronic devices the chances of getting to know someone else well enough to fall in love are greatly diminished. I'd say we may be screwed already and that the so called enlightened industrial nations are going to fall to ravages of a new dark age as the poor everywhere take them over by breeding rather than warfare.

The insanity at work here is permitting an illegal access to giving birth in a nation where you are declared a citizen because of ownership of the property upon which you are born. That worked fine in the early years of the nation when population was needed. It is an unmitigated disaster now.

In Japan the National Government is paying for weekend social mixers at nice locations for young marriageable aged women and men in hopes of stimulating the birth rate.

Until someone figures out how to impregnate a woman via Facebook, email, or text, I'd say we're screwed as a species.

Those projections were off. Hispanics have already surpassed the black population wise. It just depends how you define Hispanic because if you are born in the USA you are not Hispanic technically, but people have been conditioned to check that box although some Mestizos check white. Most Harnizos and Castizos check white especially with a white dad.

Via self reporting Americans by country of origin, 1) Germany, 2) Mexico, 3) Ireland.
Regarding the inability to socialize it also exists outside of the home. 90% of people at the gym have their ear buds in and are checked out socially. They are playing around on social media and there are actual humans right there if front of them.

Roger that! The group I was a part of in the late 70's was looking at how the shifts politically might occur. It's not an accident that the Democrats are heavily pushing racial animosities and stressing victimization. Traditional Hispanic Americans tend to be very conservative. African Americans in the 70's still came from religiously conservative families. The group back then felt that African Americans with affirmative action in place would take a larger role in the middle class and that they would eventually align themselves in greater numbers with the Republican party. Changes however in welfare lagged and the family structures of most Americans became less nuclear so that transition hasn't happened in any significant %'s although those which have assimilated more into the middle class do reflect a shift in political allegiance. Hispanic families whose roots have been planted in the United States for several generations, especially Cubans and Mexican Americans in the Southwest, have long been more inclined to the Republican party.

That however has been dwarfed by the number of illegals who are vastly under educated and therefor not ready for easy assimilation and upward mobility. They have a language barrier, can't blend socially, and are an undue burden upon the nation. Permitting their access has been a form of passive suicide for our culture and the blame on both sides of the aisle is extensive. Those seeking cheap labor were sated at taxpayer expense.

There are no easy answers, but if you think of the country as a ship of state, we have had a breach in our hull. We can patch that breach until repairs are made and while the bilge pumps can still keep us afloat. Or, we can do nothing and founder.

This is much less of a problem for the US than it is for other countries, because we can increase immigration.

Canada, actually has the fastest growing developed world growth rate. Funny how actively seeking immigrants, ensuring that young people don't have crushing levels of student debt, and providing universal affordable health care can work out. But Canada is certainly less white than it once was. Not a problem for me.

By 2050, there may actually be competition for immigrants of all income levels.

US population is still rising, and we can make it rise further. Just allow more immigration. Most likely they won't be white though.

Less sperm and the swimmers ain't what they used to be. shrug.

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archi...ll/572794/

Men’s sperm have been decreasing in number and getting worse at swimming for some time now—and, at least in the United States and Europe, new research says it’s getting worse. A pair of new studies unveiled this week at the Scientific Congress of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine (ASRM) in Denver suggest that American and European men’s sperm count and sperm motility—that is, the “swimming” ability of sperm cells—have declined in the past decade, which follows a similar, broader trend observed by many scientists over the past few decades.

(01-12-2019 01:48 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is much less of a problem for the US than it is for other countries, because we can increase immigration.

Canada, actually has the fastest growing developed world growth rate. Funny how actively seeking immigrants, ensuring that young people don't have crushing levels of student debt, and providing universal affordable health care can work out. But Canada is certainly less white than it once was. Not a problem for me.

By 2050, there may actually be competition for immigrants of all income levels.

US population is still rising, and we can make it rise further. Just allow more immigration. Most likely they won't be white though.

It hasn't been Euro "white" since the 65' immigration act. Although Chinese and Koreans are pretty much the exact skin tone or "color" as Euro whites.

(01-11-2019 08:20 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  This is good news. The planet is already overpopulated.

Poppycock. You better hope like hell this changes so the Socialist ponzi schemes that we have running now can be funded when you obtain retirement age.

(01-12-2019 02:31 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 08:20 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  This is good news. The planet is already overpopulated.

Poppycock. You better hope like hell this changes so the Socialist ponzi schemes that we have running now can be funded when you obtain retirement age.

People have been saying that since the dip chit at Stanford wrote the book "Population Bomb", and his predictions were a joke.

Well, my 3rd should be here in about 2.5 months. So I’m doing my part.

(01-12-2019 03:34 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  Well, my 3rd should be here in about 2.5 months. So I’m doing my part.

Hooah!

(01-12-2019 03:34 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  Well, my 3rd should be here in about 2.5 months. So I’m doing my part.

(01-12-2019 08:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 08:32 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  With insurance being rediculously expensive and to have a kid without insurance would ruin most people my age. Anyone with a job and a shred of intelligence know they can't afford a kid. With the latest child of hours the pre insurance cost was $7800. And with the lovely Obamacare I had my wife on back then the post insurance bill was still close to 3k.

So I'd be willing to bet financial limits are a big part of this stat

But the poor are the ones having the most kids!

Of course they are.

When working, middle and upper middle class people have kids, THEY have to pay for their costs. The "poor" get free healthcare, food stamps, rent assistance, utility assistance, etc, etc.

If the rest of us basically got a check for every kid we had, we'd have more too!

(01-11-2019 07:22 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 07:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Yikes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-he...es-n956931

Millennials dont want kids. They are too spoiled and selfish.

It's that and the notion of sacrifice is completely foreign to them.

When my parents generation had kids, they KNEW there were certain things they were going to have to do without and certain changes in their lifestyles that were going to need to be made.

The yutes of today don't want to give those things up to have kids, that's why they either don't have any of if they do, the kids are treated like accessories to their "lifestyle".

(01-12-2019 12:28 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 12:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:41 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 11:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 09:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  not only is it insane from a long term economic support burden, but we're breeding and kowtowing to folks that are dumber than a sack of rocks....

this is why many millennials are scared to death.....they grew up watching this happen all over the country....

wealth division in ~30 yrs will hit critical mass....maybe before then....

They've compared the Lincoln/Douglas debates when much more of the population was illiterate and it was night and day compared to current debates. Theirs' had a much higher level of language and vocabulary.

case in point....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...551573002/

Quote:Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the 29-year-old Congress freshman from New York, clapped back at longtime Democrat turned Independent Joe Lieberman after he said she wasn't the future of the party. "New party, who dis?" Ocasio-Cortez wrote on Twitter in response to Lieberman's criticism.

You boys are late to the game. In the late 70's the birth rate was very similar if you were looking at race, income, and age of first birth. Back then the average Hispanic in the U.S. gave birth at 15.5 years of age and would have 5 children on average in her lifetime. The average African American woman gave birth at age 17 and would have 3 children in her lifetime. The average Caucasian woman would have her first child at 21 and would have 1.5 children in her lifetime. Birth rates for all 3 races declined when average household income went up. In 1979 the projection for the timeline in which Hispanics passed African Americans as the leading minority in this country was around 2032. At the rate of immigration in the late 70's plus the birth rate, and factoring in the average age at which women in that demographic started families it was estimated they would pass Caucasians before the end of the 21st century.

Now other factors play into this. Religion is one since Catholics are still dicey on birth control. Poverty in that kids actually leave the nest sooner and start their own families sooner when in poverty and part of that was once due to welfare incentives. Affluence has tended to be an indicator of fewer children for a long time. It was once considered gosh for women to have more than two in some upper crust social circles during the Victorian era.

Add to the mix today the declining rates of testosterone due to consumption of foods in plastics and I can certainly see these trends continuing but for reasons beyond those of race, religion, and socio-economic class.

And now that kids don't date, have nowhere to go dancing, can't afford the movies or a nice dinner out, and live on electronic devices the chances of getting to know someone else well enough to fall in love are greatly diminished. I'd say we may be screwed already and that the so called enlightened industrial nations are going to fall to ravages of a new dark age as the poor everywhere take them over by breeding rather than warfare.

The insanity at work here is permitting an illegal access to giving birth in a nation where you are declared a citizen because of ownership of the property upon which you are born. That worked fine in the early years of the nation when population was needed. It is an unmitigated disaster now.

In Japan the National Government is paying for weekend social mixers at nice locations for young marriageable aged women and men in hopes of stimulating the birth rate.

Until someone figures out how to impregnate a woman via Facebook, email, or text, I'd say we're screwed as a species.

Those projections were off. Hispanics have already surpassed the black population wise. It just depends how you define Hispanic because if you are born in the USA you are not Hispanic technically, but people have been conditioned to check that box although some Mestizos check white. Most Harnizos and Castizos check white especially with a white dad.

Via self reporting Americans by country of origin, 1) Germany, 2) Mexico, 3) Ireland.
Regarding the inability to socialize it also exists outside of the home. 90% of people at the gym have their ear buds in and are checked out socially. They are playing around on social media and there are actual humans right there if front of them.

Look at people out to dinner together. Have to get on my own family about that. They are glued to phone, not each other.

(01-12-2019 01:48 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is much less of a problem for the US than it is for other countries, because we can increase immigration.

Canada, actually has the fastest growing developed world growth rate. Funny how actively seeking immigrants, ensuring that young people don't have crushing levels of student debt, and providing universal affordable health care can work out. But Canada is certainly less white than it once was. Not a problem for me.

By 2050, there may actually be competition for immigrants of all income levels.

US population is still rising, and we can make it rise further. Just allow more immigration. Most likely they won't be white though.

Canada targets people with skills and money. We are basically getting a handful of skilled people and masses of unskilled with no money.

(01-12-2019 05:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 01:48 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is much less of a problem for the US than it is for other countries, because we can increase immigration.
Canada, actually has the fastest growing developed world growth rate. Funny how actively seeking immigrants, ensuring that young people don't have crushing levels of student debt, and providing universal affordable health care can work out. But Canada is certainly less white than it once was. Not a problem for me.
By 2050, there may actually be competition for immigrants of all income levels.
US population is still rising, and we can make it rise further. Just allow more immigration. Most likely they won't be white though.

Canada targets people with skills and money. We are basically getting a handful of skilled people and masses of unskilled with no money.

I find it ironic that Trudeau was chastising us for our immigration policies, when I'd actually be pretty happy with his.