(12-25-2018 08:08 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 07:46 PM)WillaMary08 Wrote:  Tribe offer 6’5” 340lb OL/DL Chase Mitchell

https://mobile.twitter.com/chase_mitch2x

Another London Howard target.

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And yet another who thinks we are William and Mary University. This reflects poorly on the coaches recruiting these kids and our school. I don't like it.

I thought our new branding/marketing was supposed to help with this but I digress...

(12-25-2018 08:18 PM)Tribe1693 Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 08:08 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 07:46 PM)WillaMary08 Wrote:  Tribe offer 6’5” 340lb OL/DL Chase Mitchell

https://mobile.twitter.com/chase_mitch2x

Another London Howard target.

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And yet another who thinks we are William and Mary University. This reflects poorly on the coaches recruiting these kids and our school. I don't like it.

I thought our new branding/marketing was supposed to help with this but I digress...

This is not a new issue. It didn’t start with the hiring
of London. And not unique to William and Mary. I have seen kids announce offers to The University of Duke and Miami University before.

(12-25-2018 08:18 PM)Tribe1693 Wrote:  And yet another who thinks we are William and Mary University. This reflects poorly on the coaches recruiting these kids and our school. I don't like it.

I agree that it reflects very poorly on the recruiters. I also think it reflects poorly on the students who obviously never went to a W&M site or -egad- never looked at a college brochure.

Only time will tell. We will know in a year. Either these kids will be steadfast W&M scholars in good standing or a whole bunch of them will be failing out or transferring because W&M is just not "the right fit" for them.

These kids want to play football. Knowing the history of the college, the fact that it isn't a university, etc. aren't important to them. The fact that people on these boards don't understand that they are being recruited by dozens of schools and that any one of them isn't a top priority boggles my mind. The fact that people think that there is a problem with them not knowing the difference in W&M being a college or university just screams elitism and snobbery. BTW, many of these new recruits are from places like Texas and California. W&M isn't even on their radar and most people in the general population from these geographies have no idea that it is even a college.

I think some of these takes are a bit overblown. Sure, it would be great if these kids took time to research the college that offered them. These are 15-17 year old kids from PA, FL, TX, and NJ that, until just recently offered, probably had never even heard of William and Mary.

Messing up the proper name bothers alums and current students. IMO, it reflects exactly 0% on their scholastic aptitude, whether they can succeed, or how well they become men of the college. The name has been butcherd by outsiders since tri-cornered hats. It makes me cringe too when I read it. But, really means nothing. I'd be more concerned if a registered W&M student called it that. Not a young kid excited for the opportunity to attend the school that he knew little of until Coach London or Marion called him.

(12-26-2018 11:15 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  These kids want to play football. Knowing the history of the college, the fact that it isn't a university, etc. aren't important to them. The fact that people on these boards don't understand that they are being recruited by dozens of schools and that any one of them isn't a top priority boggles my mind. The fact that people think that there is a problem with them not knowing the difference in W&M being a college or university just screams elitism and snobbery. BTW, many of these new recruits are from places like Texas and California. W&M isn't even on their radar and most people in the general population from these geographies have no idea that it is even a college.

Exactly my thoughts. Beat me to it.

Tribe offer 3* WR Izayah Cummings 6'4 210lb from Louisville, KY.
https://www.hudl.com/profile/7768535/Iza...ngs/videos

Roughly 10 FBS offers.

PS - He didn't say William and Mary University.

(12-26-2018 11:15 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  These kids want to play football. Knowing the history of the college, the fact that it isn't a university, etc. aren't important to them. The fact that people on these boards don't understand that they are being recruited by dozens of schools and that any one of them isn't a top priority boggles my mind. The fact that people think that there is a problem with them not knowing the difference in W&M being a college or university just screams elitism and snobbery. BTW, many of these new recruits are from places like Texas and California. W&M isn't even on their radar and most people in the general population from these geographies have no idea that it is even a college.

Pump your brakes there if you're throwing that shade my direction. You don't know me at all, my background, nor what I did to get into W&M. If it's a general comment, I can generally understand that because I will agree that does exist.

For your awareness also, I am pretty aware of the recruiting process and realize that kids have multiple schools recruiting them. Sure, there may be a mistake here and there. I am merely saying that I have not seen it nearly as much as I have on the recruiting threads in the last few weeks.

Finally, I assume you know this but in case you aren't aware, W&M is a university despite the name being "The College of William and Mary".

Maybe these kids just know the priorities and respect that we were America's first university!

I have my opinion on it but will leave it at this: in my 15 years on a W&M messageboard (April 2003 CAAzone and beyond), I have not seen, in that entire time, potential recruits butcher our school's name as much as I've seen in the past 5 weeks. It's bad enough to where current players have publicly called it out.

And, we have a right to voice our opinions (so long as it is done without personal attacks) without someone getting sideways. This culture of hysteria is ridiculous.

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Tribe1693, my post wasn't quoting you and it isn't personal, but yours was one of the posts I was referring to, and there are many more than you who have similar opinions. Once we sign a kid and he is enrolled in the college then it is the coaches' responsibility for how they portray their school in social media, but until then the recruit is going to post what ever he wants, good, bad, indifferent, informed, uninformed, etc. Not the coach's responsibility to help them. I think the reason we are seeing more "mistakes" is simply because we are using social media as a PR angle and we weren't re-tweeting recruits until the last couple of years. My opinion is that it is noise coming from Twitter. Follow some NFL or NBA players and look what they tweet. Much of it is unrecognizable, but hey, they have millions of followers.

(12-26-2018 12:01 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Tribe1693, my post wasn't quoting you and it isn't personal, but yours was one of the posts I was referring to, and there are many more than you who have similar opinions. Once we sign a kid and he is enrolled in the college then it is the coaches' responsibility for how they portray their school in social media, but until then the recruit is going to post what ever he wants, good, bad, indifferent, informed, uninformed, etc. Not the coach's responsibility to help them. I think the reason we are seeing more "mistakes" is simply because we are using social media as a PR angle and we weren't re-tweeting recruits until the last couple of years. My opinion is that it is noise coming from Twitter. Follow some NFL or NBA players and look what they tweet. Much of it is unrecognizable, but hey, they have millions of followers.

Fair enough, you raise some solid points.

Elitism and snobbery are two traits that absolutely get under my skin on a personal level and I hate it when people behave that way. I may have only seen those words and kinda went a little sideways but I understand how from someone who doesn't know me, can read into comments that way.

Let's all just hope that should these kids come to W&M that they are successful both in the classroom and on the field, and represent us the way an enormous majority of our student-athletes have for decades. I have every reason to believe they will as the blueprint and support structure is in place.

Tribe1693, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Thanks for the response. I have more reasons than most to be a snob and elitist (multiple legacy, family history with the college some gave big money, etc.), but like you the elitist stuff drives me nuts.

Whenever I see this thread come up, I have to chuckle a bit about the way things come all the way around.

It wasn't that long ago (okay, 30-35 years) that people wanted to actually change the school's name to William & Mary University. The reason given was that too many people thought we were a "college", which meant we were a D-III type school or a small school, that wasn't equal to full universities, like Duke University, the University of Virginia, Georgetown University, etc. They thought perspective students and student-athletes wouldn't want to come to a lower level "college".

Obviously, as SF stated, we were the first University in the country (it's right there in the 12 Firsts of the College of William & Mary - #7 on the list, I believe), in 1779. (Take that, Harvard College...). It's part of the list of things incoming Freshmen had to memorize, back in the day, during Duc Week (Induction Week - an event that included the wearing of funny little hats (I still have my Duc Cap), now lost to the annals of history and legend). If we didn't need to learn these key items till Week 1, then I guess today's incoming athletes will still have time to get their titles straight, especially the ones coming from half a continent away...

As usual, people with cooler heads, shot down that WMU line of thought very quickly (if you are the only school in the country with an official Coat-of-Arms, you don't change the name that's on it), and all is still right with the world. So, I imagine that The College will survive a couple mis-tweets from future grads.

Of course, if we would just win a dang NCAA basketball tournament game...

If we ever get in the tournament we will get a ton of press just because of the futility. Win one and we're everyone's darlings. It would be an enormous PR boost. I think that's why Huge is putting emphasis on hoops first.

(12-26-2018 11:59 AM)Tribal Wrote:  I have my opinion on it but will leave it at this: in my 15 years on a W&M messageboard (April 2003 CAAzone and beyond), I have not seen, in that entire time, potential recruits butcher our school's name as much as I've seen in the past 5 weeks. It's bad enough to where current players have publicly called it out.

And, we have a right to voice our opinions (so long as it is done without personal attacks) without someone getting sideways. This culture of hysteria is ridiculous.

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Twitter announcements are considerably more prevalent than even 5 years ago so the history of such announcements is relatively short. And I can’t remember a year when there’s been anything close to the number of WAY out of state offers made, especially over a short period of time. Pretty sure if laycock’s staff had offered at this rate so heavily out of state that the botching numbers would be similar. With all that said, I think this is GREAT for our branding. When the commit I’m sure they will get it right.

(12-26-2018 01:27 PM)billymac Wrote:  Whenever I see this thread come up, I have to chuckle a bit about the way things come all the way around.

It wasn't that long ago (okay, 30-35 years) that people wanted to actually change the school's name to William & Mary University. The reason given was that too many people thought we were a "college", which meant we were a D-III type school or a small school, that wasn't equal to full universities, like Duke University, the University of Virginia, Georgetown University, etc. They thought perspective students and student-athletes wouldn't want to come to a lower level "college".

Obviously, as SF stated, we were the first University in the country (it's right there in the 12 Firsts of the College of William & Mary - #7 on the list, I believe), in 1779. (Take that, Harvard College...). It's part of the list of things incoming Freshmen had to memorize, back in the day, during Duc Week (Induction Week - an event that included the wearing of funny little hats (I still have my Duc Cap), now lost to the annals of history and legend). If we didn't need to learn these key items till Week 1, then I guess today's incoming athletes will still have time to get their titles straight, especially the ones coming from half a continent away...

As usual, people with cooler heads, shot down that WMU line of thought very quickly (if you are the only school in the country with an official Coat-of-Arms, you don't change the name that's on it), and all is still right with the world. So, I imagine that The College will survive a couple mis-tweets from future grads.

Of course, if we would just win a dang NCAA basketball tournament game...

I know there's screenshots on a thread here somewhere, but we were on television, and the abbreviation used on the score was WMU, among other things. They finally got it right, but it changed to various incorrect things over the course of the first 5-10 minutes of gametime.

WM offers RB Ky Thomas out of Topeka, KS.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ky_Thomas

Purdue grads cringe, and sometimes rant, every time a recruit says "blessed to receive an offer to play football at the University of Purdue".

It's a sign of the times.

(12-26-2018 03:29 PM)WillaMary08 Wrote:  WM offers RB Ky Thomas out of Topeka, KS.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ky_Thomas

Holds offers from Kansas, KS State, Minnesota, LA Tech, and Iowa. No mention of Howard.

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