(12-15-2018 11:00 PM)gleadley Wrote:  While we're at it, does anyone have any good Illuminati or "9/11 was an inside job" videos they can share? Somebody please make this nonsense stop.

Lmao, watch out these guys take realignments serious.

(12-15-2018 05:22 PM)KingSean Wrote:  I could see Cal State Los Angeles going D 1

Why? State your case for the Golden Eagles. Why would a conference want to consider a school who does not currently meet basic minimum requirements.

CSU-Los Angeles does not have enough men's sports for D1. Yes, they can add a sport when they start reclassifying but that's another cost on top of the extremely high cost to join D1. Can they get the funding for new sports in addition to the funding for a D1 move? I can list nearly a dozen cases of D2 schools who have announced they are adding a sport only to have those plans delayed or cancelled and other times the new sport began play then dropped after 1 or 2 seasons; all in the last 3 years. Some schools have also accepted affiliate membership in a conference then suddenly dropped that sport. If a school does not currently meet the minimum number of sports sponsorship requirement it is evidence that they likely are not interested in joining D1 and is not a candidate. Among the schools in the CCAA and not counting UC San Diego, only 2 schools meet the sports sponsorship requirement and CSULA is not one of them.

(12-15-2018 10:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  ...

not worth repeating

No one cares what conference a school was in 50 years ago. I would not be surprised to find a MAC employee who does not know that Wayne State is a former member. Colorado Mesa said "No" just 3 days ago so that's the first thing that blows up your fantasy. Unless you can provide a link to an official press release from the school website that Angelo State, Azusa Pacific, CSU-Los Angeles, Central Washington, Midwestern State, Washburn, Wayne State, or West Texas A&M has expressed any interest in joining D1 you're just adding to your fantasy. Something you found in a random local paper is not enough.

Here is what everyone is forgetting. Just because a school or league says that they arent interested in moving to D1 or adding someone doesn't mean it's true. They wont say they are til everything is hammered out and on paper. So just because Mesa says they arent right now doesn't mean they wont.

There is always some nay sayers on here. Unless you 1000% no for sure with facts that a schools will never move to D1 then dont say it cant happen

(12-16-2018 07:48 PM)KingSean Wrote:  There is always some nay sayers on here. Unless you 1000% no for sure with facts that a schools will never move to D1 then dont say it cant happen

With all due respect, it works the other way around. You are the one who needs to demonstrate that an institution in a maturing industry has the wherewithal, the money, and the support to move up.

The key words are "in a maturing industry." Students don't have time/$$ to go to games anymore (Oregon has a recent history in football, and a great upcoming recruiting class, yet doesn't even fill up the student section against Oregon State. Portland State can barely be bothered, and while they FINALLY get a new arena built, it's at 3,400 capacity instead of a promised 5,000. Nick Saban- freaking Nick Saban- has to beg Alabama students to go to football games. At Alabama. This does not portend well for the future of the industry.)

I lived in Boise for 12 years. That was during a time when Boise was moving up all over the place. That was a place and time when it was interesting to be a realignment junkie. It can be intoxicating. It also doesn't generally happen as often as you wish it did. So my advice to those who think everybody has to be dragged into this subject... breathe. Take a vacation (I always can figure out a hockey trip for you to take if you want my help, never mind they can get ridiculous). Find your local pro soccer team and get involved.

Let's be real it works both ways. Alot of these D2 schools can go up and be successful. NKU, FGCU etc have proven they can be successful and as for students not being able to go to games, I'm pretty sure they get special discounts for school sporting events.

My thing is what other schools has the WAC invited? Idk why they haven't just released all the schools. If I offend anyone I'm not trying to but the whole D2 schools moving to D1 is just interesting and exciting in my opinion.

(12-17-2018 06:48 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Let's be real it works both ways. Alot of these D2 schools can go up and be successful. NKU, FGCU etc have proven they can be successful and as for students not being able to go to games, I'm pretty sure they get special discounts for school sporting events.

Bottomline, you need to know where the money is coming from to support a move to D1. Simply picking schools out of hat to form an FCS Western Athletic Conference is just a waste of time. Both Grand Canyon and Cal Baptist were able to join the WAC because of financial advantages.

Any school who wants to joins the WAC needs to have a way of generating additional revenue. GCU's for-profit setup bolstered its coffers. And as a private school, Cal Baptist has high tuition and boosters with deep pockets. Dixie State is trying to see if it can use its' football program (playing FCS money games) to add the needed revenue. And, Metro State's large enrollment (increased student fees) might be enough for them to make the move.

Ik at this point no schools from New Jersey, Georgia, Kansas and Illinois can move up because the states are financially in trouble and the schools would clearly need major help but for Utah, Colorado or California I'm not sure how bad they are

Dixie state I feel could put their football program in the pioneer league and they are right near several major schools so they could reap alot of benefits from that well depending how much schools will pay them.

(12-17-2018 07:49 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Ik at this point no schools from New Jersey, Georgia, Kansas and Illinois can move up because the states are financially in trouble and the schools would clearly need major help but for Utah, Colorado or California I'm not sure how bad they are

The WAC doesn't need schools from Jersey or Georgia and we have enough from Illinois.

On I know that I just meant in general that why I mentioned cali utah and Colorado

The WAC could always grab some teams from the Lone Star Conference. They will have 20 teams next year

I moved the discussion regarding the merger of schools to the off topic board. As it states in the pinned thread about WAC Expansion, this thread will be heavily moderated.

Please keep the discussions to new schools only.

(12-17-2018 11:59 PM)KingSean Wrote:  On I know that I just meant in general that why I mentioned cali utah and Colorado

Oral Roberts seems out of place in the Summit.
They would make a good travel partner for UMKC.
Would give the WAC four private faith based schools.
baseball and basketball are their sports.

(12-18-2018 04:48 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 11:59 PM)KingSean Wrote:  On I know that I just meant in general that why I mentioned cali utah and Colorado

Oral Roberts seems out of place in the Summit.
They would make a good travel partner for UMKC.
Would give the WAC four private faith based schools.
baseball and basketball are their sports.

Has Oral Roberts shown any interest in joining the WAC? Seem to me when Oral Roberts left the Summit League for the Southland Conference a half dozen years ago, they had an opportunity to join the WAC rather than return to the Summit. Their are a lot of D1 school Commissioner Hurd would like to join the WAC. But with the large conference footprint (increased travel cost) and having schools with less prestigious academics backgrounds, a school like Oral Roberts (and Denver) wouldn't want to align itself with the WAC.

Again, the only schools who might be interested in joining the WAC are schools looking to move up to D1 from the DII ranks. Beggars can't be choosers. That limits the WAC's options. There are only a select few who can generate the revenue needed to cover the cost of moving to D1.

Will the WAC pay the exit fees for all the schools like they will for Dixie State?

(12-18-2018 08:59 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Will the WAC pay the exit fees for all the schools like they will for Dixie State?

No for any school and that includes Dixie State.

At the time ORU left the Southland after only two years to go back to the Summit, the Summit only had five baseball teams. The Summit would have lost their autobid as they didn’t comply with the NCAA regs for an autobid dance league. So ORU moved back, presumably free, and something greater was promised them in the future.

(12-18-2018 09:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-18-2018 08:59 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Will the WAC pay the exit fees for all the schools like they will for Dixie State?

No for any school and that includes Dixie State.

The WAC did say they would for Dixie State and waive their entry fee