No offense to the Appy fans, but the pecking order of non-auto conferences has been MWC and AAC top tier, then MAC and CUSA middle, and finally SBC...

I don't mind the CUSA champ taking on the MAC champ as the Herd did Northern Illinois a few years ago. I don't want to see our champ taking on the SBC champ, just because.

(12-02-2018 11:45 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  No offense to the Appy fans, but the pecking order of non-auto conferences has been MWC and AAC top tier, then MAC and CUSA middle, and finally SBC...

I don't mind the CUSA champ taking on the MAC champ as the Herd did Northern Illinois a few years ago. I don't want to see our champ taking on the SBC champ, just because.

Last year the two SBC co-champs wrecked their bowl opponents (CUSA #2 UNT and the MAC Champ Toledo). The games weren't even close.

I'm not saying that SBC teams can't win.

I'm saying that when you look at Sagrins and other ratings since the last major conference overhaul, that's what you find... so, nothing personal, just business... CUSA's champ at minimum needs to play the MAC champ, or a school from a higher rated conference just as a matter of perception.

Not very promising things being reported on Twitter regarding USM's bowl chances. As I've said all along I don't have a good feeling about us getting an invite. My gut tells me we won't get one. Hope I'm wrong but not holding my breath.

However, thank God local NC news is reporting ECU is officially taking our worthless AD. THAT'S GREAT NEWS.

Confirmed: ULL vs Tulane in Cure Bowl

(12-02-2018 12:33 PM)TTT Wrote:  Confirmed: ULL vs Tulane in Cure Bowl

That's a really good match up for the bowl and teams.

This cure Bowl matchup bodes well for USM as it should open up the Indy or Frisco bowl. Key word: should

(12-02-2018 12:03 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I'm not saying that SBC teams can't win.

I'm saying that when you look at Sagrins and other ratings since the last major conference overhaul, that's what you find... so, nothing personal, just business... CUSA's champ at minimum needs to play the MAC champ, or a school from a higher rated conference just as a matter of perception.

Pretty sure CUSA is beneath the Sunbelt in Sagarin ratings, but whatever. Pretty comical to see you guys raising your nose up to anyone.

(12-02-2018 01:13 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 12:03 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I'm not saying that SBC teams can't win.

I'm saying that when you look at Sagrins and other ratings since the last major conference overhaul, that's what you find... so, nothing personal, just business... CUSA's champ at minimum needs to play the MAC champ, or a school from a higher rated conference just as a matter of perception.

Pretty sure CUSA is beneath the Sunbelt in Sagarin ratings, but whatever. Pretty comical to see you guys raising your nose up to anyone.

I agree. The MAC, Belt and CUSA are all looked at as about the same. We are all trying to catch the MWC and the AAC.

(12-02-2018 01:13 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 12:03 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I'm not saying that SBC teams can't win.

I'm saying that when you look at Sagrins and other ratings since the last major conference overhaul, that's what you find... so, nothing personal, just business... CUSA's champ at minimum needs to play the MAC champ, or a school from a higher rated conference just as a matter of perception.

Pretty sure CUSA is beneath the Sunbelt in Sagarin ratings, but whatever. Pretty comical to see you guys raising your nose up to anyone.

Sagarin once rated nonscholarship Harvard something like 33rd in his final poll.

If that's the metric you want to use, be my guest.

Per Twitter, hearing that UAB is really wanting the Boca Bowl. Also, CUSA league office apparently wants to establish that bowl for all conf. champions going forward. Announcement coming soon.

^this all from the Twitter-verse

(12-02-2018 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:13 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 12:03 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I'm not saying that SBC teams can't win.

I'm saying that when you look at Sagrins and other ratings since the last major conference overhaul, that's what you find... so, nothing personal, just business... CUSA's champ at minimum needs to play the MAC champ, or a school from a higher rated conference just as a matter of perception.

Pretty sure CUSA is beneath the Sunbelt in Sagarin ratings, but whatever. Pretty comical to see you guys raising your nose up to anyone.

Sagarin once rated nonscholarship Harvard something like 33rd in his final poll.

If that's the metric you want to use, be my guest.

I was literally responding to a guy who was using that metric.

(12-02-2018 01:25 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:13 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 12:03 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I'm not saying that SBC teams can't win.

I'm saying that when you look at Sagrins and other ratings since the last major conference overhaul, that's what you find... so, nothing personal, just business... CUSA's champ at minimum needs to play the MAC champ, or a school from a higher rated conference just as a matter of perception.

Pretty sure CUSA is beneath the Sunbelt in Sagarin ratings, but whatever. Pretty comical to see you guys raising your nose up to anyone.

Sagarin once rated nonscholarship Harvard something like 33rd in his final poll.

If that's the metric you want to use, be my guest.

I was literally responding to a guy who was using that metric.

You're both welcome to it.

And I have been a long advocate of geographic realignment for CUSA and the SBC, so I don't think we're "above the Sun Belt" per se, if you're asking me which group of athletic programs I'd bet on, I'll take ours over yours, but not by a wide enough margin to truly matter or make it worth having a conference stretching from Norfolk to El Paso.

(12-02-2018 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:25 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:13 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 12:03 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I'm not saying that SBC teams can't win.

I'm saying that when you look at Sagrins and other ratings since the last major conference overhaul, that's what you find... so, nothing personal, just business... CUSA's champ at minimum needs to play the MAC champ, or a school from a higher rated conference just as a matter of perception.

Pretty sure CUSA is beneath the Sunbelt in Sagarin ratings, but whatever. Pretty comical to see you guys raising your nose up to anyone.

Sagarin once rated nonscholarship Harvard something like 33rd in his final poll.

If that's the metric you want to use, be my guest.

I was literally responding to a guy who was using that metric.

You're both welcome to it.

And I have been a long advocate of geographic realignment for CUSA and the SBC, so I don't think we're "above the Sun Belt" per se, if you're asking me which group of athletic programs I'd bet on, I'll take ours over yours, but not by a wide enough margin to truly matter or make it worth having a conference stretching from Norfolk to El Paso.

I don’t care at all about sagarin, that’s what FCS teams like NDSU use to make themselves feel good.

I do know the CUSA conference champ got the doors blown off it by Coastal Carolina, who went 2-6 in the Sunbelt.

I’m also really content with our geography and don’t think the Sunbelt needs to re-organize at all. NC, SC, GA, AL, AR, LA & TX is pretty much the definition of the “Sunbelt”

(12-02-2018 01:39 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:25 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:13 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  Pretty sure CUSA is beneath the Sunbelt in Sagarin ratings, but whatever. Pretty comical to see you guys raising your nose up to anyone.

Sagarin once rated nonscholarship Harvard something like 33rd in his final poll.

If that's the metric you want to use, be my guest.

I was literally responding to a guy who was using that metric.

You're both welcome to it.

And I have been a long advocate of geographic realignment for CUSA and the SBC, so I don't think we're "above the Sun Belt" per se, if you're asking me which group of athletic programs I'd bet on, I'll take ours over yours, but not by a wide enough margin to truly matter or make it worth having a conference stretching from Norfolk to El Paso.

I don’t care at all about sagarin, that’s what FCS teams like NDSU use to make themselves feel good.

I do know the CUSA conference champ got the doors blown off it by Coastal Carolina, who went 2-6 in the Sunbelt.

I’m also really content with our geography and don’t think the Sunbelt needs to re-organize at all. NC, SC, GA, AL, AR, LA & TX is pretty much the definition of the “Sunbelt”

If playing in Monroe and San Marcos in particular puts some lead in your pencil more power to you, but then you also still have the freshness of the FBS move to be excited about.

Personally I'd like a conference that stretches no more than a 1,000 miles between any two extremes and thusly a pair of divisions with roughly 500 mile radiuses.

(12-02-2018 01:44 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:39 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:25 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Sagarin once rated nonscholarship Harvard something like 33rd in his final poll.

If that's the metric you want to use, be my guest.

I was literally responding to a guy who was using that metric.

You're both welcome to it.

And I have been a long advocate of geographic realignment for CUSA and the SBC, so I don't think we're "above the Sun Belt" per se, if you're asking me which group of athletic programs I'd bet on, I'll take ours over yours, but not by a wide enough margin to truly matter or make it worth having a conference stretching from Norfolk to El Paso.

I don’t care at all about sagarin, that’s what FCS teams like NDSU use to make themselves feel good.

I do know the CUSA conference champ got the doors blown off it by Coastal Carolina, who went 2-6 in the Sunbelt.

I’m also really content with our geography and don’t think the Sunbelt needs to re-organize at all. NC, SC, GA, AL, AR, LA & TX is pretty much the definition of the “Sunbelt”

If playing in Monroe and San Marcos in particular puts some lead in your pencil more power to you, but then you also still have the freshness of the FBS move to be excited about.

Personally I'd like a conference that stretches no more than a 1,000 miles between any two extremes and thusly a pair of divisions with roughly 500 mile radiuses.

Boone to San Marcos is 1000 miles. Almost exactly.

Confirmed: North Texas to NM Bowl

Which, according to USM beat writer Patrick Magee "This may mean that C-USA is sending a team to the Gasparilla Bowl in Tampa as opposed to the First Responder Bowl in Dallas."

(12-02-2018 01:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  Confirmed: North Texas to NM Bowl

The worst bowl. We went to that bowl 2 years ago. Surprised they didn't get a better bowl

(12-02-2018 01:52 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:50 PM)TTT Wrote:  Confirmed: North Texas to NM Bowl

The worst bowl. We went to that bowl 2 years ago. Surprised they didn't get a better bowl

Lotsa good New Mexican food with green chiles, red chiles, sopapillas and lotsa heartburn!

(12-02-2018 01:50 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:44 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:39 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 01:25 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  I was literally responding to a guy who was using that metric.

You're both welcome to it.

And I have been a long advocate of geographic realignment for CUSA and the SBC, so I don't think we're "above the Sun Belt" per se, if you're asking me which group of athletic programs I'd bet on, I'll take ours over yours, but not by a wide enough margin to truly matter or make it worth having a conference stretching from Norfolk to El Paso.

I don’t care at all about sagarin, that’s what FCS teams like NDSU use to make themselves feel good.

I do know the CUSA conference champ got the doors blown off it by Coastal Carolina, who went 2-6 in the Sunbelt.

I’m also really content with our geography and don’t think the Sunbelt needs to re-organize at all. NC, SC, GA, AL, AR, LA & TX is pretty much the definition of the “Sunbelt”

If playing in Monroe and San Marcos in particular puts some lead in your pencil more power to you, but then you also still have the freshness of the FBS move to be excited about.

Personally I'd like a conference that stretches no more than a 1,000 miles between any two extremes and thusly a pair of divisions with roughly 500 mile radiuses.

Boone to San Marcos is 1000 miles. Almost exactly.

Yep.

Doesn't negate what I said as you guys are essentially division mates with being only a ten team conference.

As I said, 500 mile division radiuses.