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Is it a power 6 conference? Their commercials say it is.
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(12-01-2018 04:23 PM)HUSKIEFOOTBALLFAN Wrote:  Is it a power 6 conference? Their commercials say it is.

No but they do like to pretend they are.
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There are the Power 5 conferences. AAC says it is the 6th best conference. I'd say it is a tossup between MWC and AAC for the 6th best.
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Would love to move conferences, I think it’s provem we are done with the Mac and there is nothing more for NIU to accomplish.
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(12-01-2018 04:56 PM)Boggs747474 Wrote:  Would love to move conferences, I think it’s provem we are done with the Mac and there is nothing more for NIU to accomplish.

Not going anywhere unless we can grow our fan base and somehow dramatically increase our budget for football and basketball.
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(12-01-2018 05:20 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 04:56 PM)Boggs747474 Wrote:  Would love to move conferences, I think it’s provem we are done with the Mac and there is nothing more for NIU to accomplish.

Not going anywhere unless we can grow our fan base and somehow dramatically increase our budget for football and basketball.

Yup, both of those conferences would take one look at our attendance numbers and laugh themselves silly.
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(12-01-2018 06:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:20 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 04:56 PM)Boggs747474 Wrote:  Would love to move conferences, I think it’s provem we are done with the Mac and there is nothing more for NIU to accomplish.

Not going anywhere unless we can grow our fan base and somehow dramatically increase our budget for football and basketball.

Yup, both of those conferences would take one look at our attendance numbers and laugh themselves silly.

They play zero defense in that league though. Everytime I see a final score its 40-something to 50-something. UConn set a record for most points given up in a season.
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(12-01-2018 06:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:20 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 04:56 PM)Boggs747474 Wrote:  Would love to move conferences, I think it’s provem we are done with the Mac and there is nothing more for NIU to accomplish.

Not going anywhere unless we can grow our fan base and somehow dramatically increase our budget for football and basketball.

Yup, both of those conferences would take one look at our attendance numbers and laugh themselves silly.

They play zero defense in that league though. Everytime I see a final score its 40-something to 50-something. UConn set a record for most points given up in a season.

I think if niu had an enrollment of 30k, attendence of 25k, AD budget 2x the current one, a univ endowment of $1B, and a somewhat competitive basketball team when the AAC was formed - we would have gotten the nod.

The football team has nothing to do with not moving from the MAC.
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(12-01-2018 06:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:20 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 04:56 PM)Boggs747474 Wrote:  Would love to move conferences, I think it’s provem we are done with the Mac and there is nothing more for NIU to accomplish.

Not going anywhere unless we can grow our fan base and somehow dramatically increase our budget for football and basketball.

Yup, both of those conferences would take one look at our attendance numbers and laugh themselves silly.

They play zero defense in that league though. Everytime I see a final score its 40-something to 50-something. UConn set a record for most points given up in a season.

What does that have to do with NIU's (and the MAC's) attendance numbers? It's not like the offense is keeping people away. Yeah, the weeknight scheduling is a factor (and it's not like either of those conferences don't play weeknight games....they absolutely do), NIU has never had sustained attendance numbers like either the MW or AAC get on the regular.

And that's even before you get to the subject of budget, which isn't just going to magically grow if they changed conferences.
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(12-01-2018 06:35 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:20 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 04:56 PM)Boggs747474 Wrote:  Would love to move conferences, I think it’s provem we are done with the Mac and there is nothing more for NIU to accomplish.

Not going anywhere unless we can grow our fan base and somehow dramatically increase our budget for football and basketball.

Yup, both of those conferences would take one look at our attendance numbers and laugh themselves silly.

They play zero defense in that league though. Everytime I see a final score its 40-something to 50-something. UConn set a record for most points given up in a season.

I think if niu had an enrollment of 30k, attendence of 25k, AD budget 2x the current one, a univ endowment of $1B, and a somewhat competitive basketball team when the AAC was formed - we would have gotten the nod.

The football team has nothing to do with not moving from the MAC.

And then there is this. Plus, like you note the basketball team doesn't draw flies to it's games. There are just a ton of reasons why the AAC wouldn't be interested in NIU.
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RE: American Athletic Conference
(12-01-2018 06:35 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:20 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 04:56 PM)Boggs747474 Wrote:  Would love to move conferences, I think it’s provem we are done with the Mac and there is nothing more for NIU to accomplish.

Not going anywhere unless we can grow our fan base and somehow dramatically increase our budget for football and basketball.

Yup, both of those conferences would take one look at our attendance numbers and laugh themselves silly.

They play zero defense in that league though. Everytime I see a final score its 40-something to 50-something. UConn set a record for most points given up in a season.

I think if niu had an enrollment of 30k, attendence of 25k, AD budget 2x the current one, a univ endowment of $1B, and a somewhat competitive basketball team when the AAC was formed - we would have gotten the nod.

The football team has nothing to do with not moving from the MAC.

The reason they're all able to achieve this is their local populations as well. AAC has teams scattered all throughout major population areas such as Houston, Philly, Orlando, Cinci, Dallas and Memphis. NIU needs to capture a nearby population to tab as "its own" and go all in on marketing. We all know Chicago is a waste of time at this point. Either choose Rockford or the Naperville/Aurora area and build a solid base there.
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(12-01-2018 06:38 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:20 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 04:56 PM)Boggs747474 Wrote:  Would love to move conferences, I think it’s provem we are done with the Mac and there is nothing more for NIU to accomplish.

Not going anywhere unless we can grow our fan base and somehow dramatically increase our budget for football and basketball.

Yup, both of those conferences would take one look at our attendance numbers and laugh themselves silly.

They play zero defense in that league though. Everytime I see a final score its 40-something to 50-something. UConn set a record for most points given up in a season.

What does that have to do with NIU's (and the MAC's) attendance numbers? It's not like the offense is keeping people away. Yeah, the weeknight scheduling is a factor (and it's not like either of those conferences don't play weeknight games....they absolutely do), NIU has never had sustained attendance numbers like either the MW or AAC get on the regular.

And that's even before you get to the subject of budget, which isn't just going to magically grow if they changed conferences.

Most of their teams play in warm weather states. They also get to play their conference championship in the home stadium of the team with the best record. UCF has 3x as many students as NIU. Not all things are equal.

Look at these pictures of Temple vs. USF. Temple plays its games in the city of Philadelphia and their attendance is not good (despite what they claim as their attendance).

https://www.whipradiotu.com/photos-templ...-11-17-18/
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(12-01-2018 06:51 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:38 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:20 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  Not going anywhere unless we can grow our fan base and somehow dramatically increase our budget for football and basketball.

Yup, both of those conferences would take one look at our attendance numbers and laugh themselves silly.

They play zero defense in that league though. Everytime I see a final score its 40-something to 50-something. UConn set a record for most points given up in a season.

What does that have to do with NIU's (and the MAC's) attendance numbers? It's not like the offense is keeping people away. Yeah, the weeknight scheduling is a factor (and it's not like either of those conferences don't play weeknight games....they absolutely do), NIU has never had sustained attendance numbers like either the MW or AAC get on the regular.

And that's even before you get to the subject of budget, which isn't just going to magically grow if they changed conferences.

Most of their teams play in warm weather states. They also get to play their conference championship in the home stadium of the team with the best record. UCF has 3x as many students as NIU. Not all things are equal.

Look at these pictures of Temple vs. USF. Temple plays its games in the city of Philadelphia and their attendance is not good (despite what they claim as their attendance).

https://www.whipradiotu.com/photos-templ...-11-17-18/

You're kind of all over the map on what you are talking about here. At first, you cite a lack of defense. Obviously, that has nothing to do with anything. So, now we're talking about playing in warm weather states (correct, what is NIU supposed to do about that?), playing their Conf Champ in a home stadium (again, what does that matter?), , UCF having 3x as many students as NIU (yeah....so....what's your point other than NIU to agree that NIU isn't attractive to that conference), and now Temple's home attendance. Temple has always been a basketball school first, something that NIU isn't or chooses not to be. They also are located in Philadelphia. They also have 25,000 more students than NIU.

Are you trying to cite reasons why NIU is not attractive to the AAC? I was under the impression you were disagreeing with some of my points, but you seem to be supporting them, so I could very well be wrong.
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(12-01-2018 07:27 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:51 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:38 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:07 PM)Big Red Wrote:  Yup, both of those conferences would take one look at our attendance numbers and laugh themselves silly.

They play zero defense in that league though. Everytime I see a final score its 40-something to 50-something. UConn set a record for most points given up in a season.

What does that have to do with NIU's (and the MAC's) attendance numbers? It's not like the offense is keeping people away. Yeah, the weeknight scheduling is a factor (and it's not like either of those conferences don't play weeknight games....they absolutely do), NIU has never had sustained attendance numbers like either the MW or AAC get on the regular.

And that's even before you get to the subject of budget, which isn't just going to magically grow if they changed conferences.

Most of their teams play in warm weather states. They also get to play their conference championship in the home stadium of the team with the best record. UCF has 3x as many students as NIU. Not all things are equal.

Look at these pictures of Temple vs. USF. Temple plays its games in the city of Philadelphia and their attendance is not good (despite what they claim as their attendance).

https://www.whipradiotu.com/photos-templ...-11-17-18/

You're kind of all over the map on what you are talking about here. At first, you cite a lack of defense. Obviously, that has nothing to do with anything. So, now we're talking about playing in warm weather states (correct, what is NIU supposed to do about that?), playing their Conf Champ in a home stadium (again, what does that matter?), , UCF having 3x as many students as NIU (yeah....so....what's your point other than NIU to agree that NIU isn't attractive to that conference), and now Temple's home attendance. Temple has always been a basketball school first, something that NIU isn't or chooses not to be. They also are located in Philadelphia. They also have 25,000 more students than NIU.

Are you trying to cite reasons why NIU is not attractive to the AAC? I was under the impression you were disagreeing with some of my points, but you seem to be supporting them, so I could very well be wrong.

Yes, they play zero defense in that league...56-41.

So Tulane is in the AAC because of their great football and basketball attendance?

Temple football attendance is weak. Same with UConn football program and attendance. Tulsa football attendance is not that great.

Everyone in the AAC isn't the great school you make them out to be.

I'd rather have a successful program than 30k in attendance. Having both would be great, but our attendance died after 12+ years of midweek football.
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(12-01-2018 07:40 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:27 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:51 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:38 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:27 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  They play zero defense in that league though. Everytime I see a final score its 40-something to 50-something. UConn set a record for most points given up in a season.

What does that have to do with NIU's (and the MAC's) attendance numbers? It's not like the offense is keeping people away. Yeah, the weeknight scheduling is a factor (and it's not like either of those conferences don't play weeknight games....they absolutely do), NIU has never had sustained attendance numbers like either the MW or AAC get on the regular.

And that's even before you get to the subject of budget, which isn't just going to magically grow if they changed conferences.

Most of their teams play in warm weather states. They also get to play their conference championship in the home stadium of the team with the best record. UCF has 3x as many students as NIU. Not all things are equal.

Look at these pictures of Temple vs. USF. Temple plays its games in the city of Philadelphia and their attendance is not good (despite what they claim as their attendance).

https://www.whipradiotu.com/photos-templ...-11-17-18/

You're kind of all over the map on what you are talking about here. At first, you cite a lack of defense. Obviously, that has nothing to do with anything. So, now we're talking about playing in warm weather states (correct, what is NIU supposed to do about that?), playing their Conf Champ in a home stadium (again, what does that matter?), , UCF having 3x as many students as NIU (yeah....so....what's your point other than NIU to agree that NIU isn't attractive to that conference), and now Temple's home attendance. Temple has always been a basketball school first, something that NIU isn't or chooses not to be. They also are located in Philadelphia. They also have 25,000 more students than NIU.

Are you trying to cite reasons why NIU is not attractive to the AAC? I was under the impression you were disagreeing with some of my points, but you seem to be supporting them, so I could very well be wrong.

Yes, they play zero defense in that league...56-41.

So Tulane is in the AAC because of their great football and basketball attendance?

Temple football attendance is weak. Same with UConn football program and attendance. Tulsa football attendance is not that great.

Everyone in the AAC isn't the great school you make them out to be.

I'd rather have a successful program than 30k in attendance. Having both would be great, but our attendance died after 12+ years of midweek football.

Again, are you suggesting that the AAC should or would be interested in NIU? It's not clear. Even though I asked.
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(12-01-2018 07:43 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:40 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:27 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:51 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:38 PM)Big Red Wrote:  What does that have to do with NIU's (and the MAC's) attendance numbers? It's not like the offense is keeping people away. Yeah, the weeknight scheduling is a factor (and it's not like either of those conferences don't play weeknight games....they absolutely do), NIU has never had sustained attendance numbers like either the MW or AAC get on the regular.

And that's even before you get to the subject of budget, which isn't just going to magically grow if they changed conferences.

Most of their teams play in warm weather states. They also get to play their conference championship in the home stadium of the team with the best record. UCF has 3x as many students as NIU. Not all things are equal.

Look at these pictures of Temple vs. USF. Temple plays its games in the city of Philadelphia and their attendance is not good (despite what they claim as their attendance).

https://www.whipradiotu.com/photos-templ...-11-17-18/

You're kind of all over the map on what you are talking about here. At first, you cite a lack of defense. Obviously, that has nothing to do with anything. So, now we're talking about playing in warm weather states (correct, what is NIU supposed to do about that?), playing their Conf Champ in a home stadium (again, what does that matter?), , UCF having 3x as many students as NIU (yeah....so....what's your point other than NIU to agree that NIU isn't attractive to that conference), and now Temple's home attendance. Temple has always been a basketball school first, something that NIU isn't or chooses not to be. They also are located in Philadelphia. They also have 25,000 more students than NIU.

Are you trying to cite reasons why NIU is not attractive to the AAC? I was under the impression you were disagreeing with some of my points, but you seem to be supporting them, so I could very well be wrong.

Yes, they play zero defense in that league...56-41.

So Tulane is in the AAC because of their great football and basketball attendance?

Temple football attendance is weak. Same with UConn football program and attendance. Tulsa football attendance is not that great.

Everyone in the AAC isn't the great school you make them out to be.

I'd rather have a successful program than 30k in attendance. Having both would be great, but our attendance died after 12+ years of midweek football.

Again, are you suggesting that the AAC should or would be interested in NIU? It's not clear. Even though I asked.

We're one of the most successful mid-major programs for the last 15+ years. Yes, we should be attractive. If anyone wants to gripe about attendance than look no further than Tulane, Temple, UConn, Tulsa, and SMU.
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The state of Illinois is on the verge of bankruptcy and NIU suffers from this. We could not afford the travel and other cost commitments of a bigger conference at this time.

Sadly I doubt if the state will reverse this fiscal disaster anytime soon.
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(12-01-2018 07:52 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:43 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:40 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:27 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 06:51 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Most of their teams play in warm weather states. They also get to play their conference championship in the home stadium of the team with the best record. UCF has 3x as many students as NIU. Not all things are equal.

Look at these pictures of Temple vs. USF. Temple plays its games in the city of Philadelphia and their attendance is not good (despite what they claim as their attendance).

https://www.whipradiotu.com/photos-templ...-11-17-18/

You're kind of all over the map on what you are talking about here. At first, you cite a lack of defense. Obviously, that has nothing to do with anything. So, now we're talking about playing in warm weather states (correct, what is NIU supposed to do about that?), playing their Conf Champ in a home stadium (again, what does that matter?), , UCF having 3x as many students as NIU (yeah....so....what's your point other than NIU to agree that NIU isn't attractive to that conference), and now Temple's home attendance. Temple has always been a basketball school first, something that NIU isn't or chooses not to be. They also are located in Philadelphia. They also have 25,000 more students than NIU.

Are you trying to cite reasons why NIU is not attractive to the AAC? I was under the impression you were disagreeing with some of my points, but you seem to be supporting them, so I could very well be wrong.

Yes, they play zero defense in that league...56-41.

So Tulane is in the AAC because of their great football and basketball attendance?

Temple football attendance is weak. Same with UConn football program and attendance. Tulsa football attendance is not that great.

Everyone in the AAC isn't the great school you make them out to be.

I'd rather have a successful program than 30k in attendance. Having both would be great, but our attendance died after 12+ years of midweek football.

Again, are you suggesting that the AAC should or would be interested in NIU? It's not clear. Even though I asked.

We're one of the most successful mid-major programs for the last 15+ years. Yes, we should be attractive. If anyone wants to gripe about attendance than look no further than Tulane, Temple, UConn, Tulsa, and SMU.

You are aware they take more into consideration than just the football team's record, right?
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(12-01-2018 08:01 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  The state of Illinois is on the verge of bankruptcy and NIU suffers from this. We could not afford the travel and other cost commitments of a bigger conference at this time.

Sadly I doubt if the state will reverse this fiscal disaster anytime soon.

I agree, the state's problems are affecting NIU. High school students are going out-of-state, less map grant money, high costs due to lack of state funding and budget impasses.

None of that diminishes what NIU has done on the field. What mid-major has more wins than NIU since 2000? My guess is only Boise State.
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(12-01-2018 08:05 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:52 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:43 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:40 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:27 PM)Big Red Wrote:  You're kind of all over the map on what you are talking about here. At first, you cite a lack of defense. Obviously, that has nothing to do with anything. So, now we're talking about playing in warm weather states (correct, what is NIU supposed to do about that?), playing their Conf Champ in a home stadium (again, what does that matter?), , UCF having 3x as many students as NIU (yeah....so....what's your point other than NIU to agree that NIU isn't attractive to that conference), and now Temple's home attendance. Temple has always been a basketball school first, something that NIU isn't or chooses not to be. They also are located in Philadelphia. They also have 25,000 more students than NIU.

Are you trying to cite reasons why NIU is not attractive to the AAC? I was under the impression you were disagreeing with some of my points, but you seem to be supporting them, so I could very well be wrong.

Yes, they play zero defense in that league...56-41.

So Tulane is in the AAC because of their great football and basketball attendance?

Temple football attendance is weak. Same with UConn football program and attendance. Tulsa football attendance is not that great.

Everyone in the AAC isn't the great school you make them out to be.

I'd rather have a successful program than 30k in attendance. Having both would be great, but our attendance died after 12+ years of midweek football.

Again, are you suggesting that the AAC should or would be interested in NIU? It's not clear. Even though I asked.

We're one of the most successful mid-major programs for the last 15+ years. Yes, we should be attractive. If anyone wants to gripe about attendance than look no further than Tulane, Temple, UConn, Tulsa, and SMU.

You are aware they take more into consideration than just the football team's record, right?

You are aware that more than attendance matters, right?

Our success on the football field is unmatched by all mid-majors but Boise. College football dominates college athletics. Men's basketball is a distant #2.
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