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RE: What is the probability of UTA (Texas Arlington) adding football?
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(11-08-2018 10:10 PM)Fanther Wrote:  Years ago I read an article about universities spending exorbitant sums of money for celebrity speakers and performers to appear on campus. The article pointed out that because attendance at these events was often a small fraction of the student body, criticism came from inside and outside the universities about the "waste" of funds. The author went on to say that universities justified the expenses by citing the benefits for student recruitment. Student recruitment was benefited by university students proudly telling their friends back home that "so-and-so" was on their campus regardless of whether those university students actually went to see or hear "so-and so". The author noted that more times than not the friends would not bother to ask if the bragging students had actually attended the event. I think there is a similar effect with start-up college football. There are a lot more people polled who want football in order to say "we have football" than really want to be "in-the-stands" fans. After all how many people associated with schools without football are sitting around on Saturdays with nothing to do, not working, not attending games of a traditional football power in their vicinity, not coaching or taking kids to soccer, not running errands or working on projects they cannot do during the week, not obligated to various family priorities. To average 20,000 fans in the stands a school has got have 10 to 20 times that many people with some degree of interest in attending one or more games each season. For most start-ups that is a daunting challenge.

you are right. the fact is that there are probably too many schools and too many schools that are trying to put forth a football team at the highest level. no G5 school draws big crowds relative to the state flagship schools. it is hard to drum up relevance for large numbers of universities competing to be the face of the state. one or two per state is about it. the next rung down the ladder are the schools that are the big dogs in their region, like G5 schools, but then we have created a hodge-podge of conferences made up of teams from different regions that have nothing in common and thus no natural rivalry.

This is not true in the Case of the Sun Belt. UTA would be natural rivals for Texas St, stAte, ULM and Louisiana based on nothing but geography. The real issue is it takes time to develop a rivalry and it often means that the schools have to be competitive with each other often in several sports over the course of several years and not just n Football. Start up teams like GSU or hopefully UTA often find it hard to draw fans and create these rivalries not because they don't have natural rival schools on the schedule but because they haven't been competitive with those peer schools long enough to draw interest from the students or community at large.

makes sense but uta has a long history with txst and stAte and ull..but there would be little local fan interest in games vs app or gaso or troy for example. none of the eastern schools have much of an alumni presence in this area and uta has very few of the kind of die hard fans that will come out in big numbers to things because of school pride. I wish it were not so but there are lots of things to do in the metro area and the local fans are spoiled

Two points.

First, I was thinking the same about history. UTA football alone is 2-0 versus Texas State, 6-5 versus ULM, 9-7 versus Louisiana and 8-13-1 versus Arkansas State. UTA would be unique among start-ups in that there already is a history there. There's a lot to build on in that regard, three conference championships, 1-0 bowl record (before .500 plus got you in a bowl), 30 NFL players, Hall of Honor, etc.

Second, I disagree with the fact that locals wouldn't be interested in the SBC East. If Troy and App keep doing what they do, Georgia Southern keeps improving to their historical norm and the SBC as a whole keeps raising their profile, I think there is a great chance to see attendance rise. One of the best attended baseball games/series was a couple of years ago when Coastal came to town after their natty. I see that potential carrying over.

I did a rudimentary statistical analysis, of attendance in the SBC. Using the five existing team sports and their ranking within the SBC compared to their conference mates, UTA would pull in the top half of the conference. It's not a fool-proof system, but it does show a pretty good consistency. (App was the only real anomaly as they are superstars in football attendance, but terrible in everything else.)
Branden, you've got a great mind. I love the "rudimentary statistical analysis" as a predictor of future attendance, and I am quite confident that your projections are conservative and rational. As I see it, our President is on a one-year contract extension that will run through next fall.

He may decide to vigorously pursue the athletics side of "Tier One" status, or it may be left to others to lead the charge. Whoever those leaders may be, it would be worthwhile to re-examine the process by which USA pursued football: how they began the movement by supporting a club team, and then steadily built up student and community support.

We still have never had a UT Arlington capital campaign, and our students still pay only a small fraction of what is collected elsewhere in student athletics fees. I'm confident the students would support increased fees if it brought football and women's soccer to UTA.

But first things first - Let's get the students invested in a viable club team program.
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The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.
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(11-12-2018 12:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.

other schools see a complete sports offering as part of the whole university package. an example would be starting football at utsa as part of their drive to tier one. by adding football they went from sleepy school with little status to having home games against schools like kansas, baylor, arizona state and the like. they jumped immediately to a conference where now they are associated with schools of much higher stature than they were used to such as rice etc. they are gaining some credibility by association.
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(11-12-2018 08:48 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-12-2018 12:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.

other schools see a complete sports offering as part of the whole university package. an example would be starting football at utsa as part of their drive to tier one. by adding football they went from sleepy school with little status to having home games against schools like kansas, baylor, arizona state and the like. they jumped immediately to a conference where now they are associated with schools of much higher stature than they were used to such as rice etc. they are gaining some credibility by association.

At the cost of declining enrollment and the students rejected a fee increase when the school turned back to the after ticket sales, donations, and sponsorships didn't grow as much as expected.
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RE: What is the probability of UTA (Texas Arlington) adding football?
(11-11-2018 04:42 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  
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(11-09-2018 01:46 PM)runamuck Wrote:  you are right. the fact is that there are probably too many schools and too many schools that are trying to put forth a football team at the highest level. no G5 school draws big crowds relative to the state flagship schools. it is hard to drum up relevance for large numbers of universities competing to be the face of the state. one or two per state is about it. the next rung down the ladder are the schools that are the big dogs in their region, like G5 schools, but then we have created a hodge-podge of conferences made up of teams from different regions that have nothing in common and thus no natural rivalry.

This is not true in the Case of the Sun Belt. UTA would be natural rivals for Texas St, stAte, ULM and Louisiana based on nothing but geography. The real issue is it takes time to develop a rivalry and it often means that the schools have to be competitive with each other often in several sports over the course of several years and not just n Football. Start up teams like GSU or hopefully UTA often find it hard to draw fans and create these rivalries not because they don't have natural rival schools on the schedule but because they haven't been competitive with those peer schools long enough to draw interest from the students or community at large.

makes sense but uta has a long history with txst and stAte and ull..but there would be little local fan interest in games vs app or gaso or troy for example. none of the eastern schools have much of an alumni presence in this area and uta has very few of the kind of die hard fans that will come out in big numbers to things because of school pride. I wish it were not so but there are lots of things to do in the metro area and the local fans are spoiled

Two points.

First, I was thinking the same about history. UTA football alone is 2-0 versus Texas State, 6-5 versus ULM, 9-7 versus Louisiana and 8-13-1 versus Arkansas State. UTA would be unique among start-ups in that there already is a history there. There's a lot to build on in that regard, three conference championships, 1-0 bowl record (before .500 plus got you in a bowl), 30 NFL players, Hall of Honor, etc.

Second, I disagree with the fact that locals wouldn't be interested in the SBC East. If Troy and App keep doing what they do, Georgia Southern keeps improving to their historical norm and the SBC as a whole keeps raising their profile, I think there is a great chance to see attendance rise. One of the best attended baseball games/series was a couple of years ago when Coastal came to town after their natty. I see that potential carrying over.

I did a rudimentary statistical analysis, of attendance in the SBC. Using the five existing team sports and their ranking within the SBC compared to their conference mates, UTA would pull in the top half of the conference. It's not a fool-proof system, but it does show a pretty good consistency. (App was the only real anomaly as they are superstars in football attendance, but terrible in everything else.)
Branden, you've got a great mind. I love the "rudimentary statistical analysis" as a predictor of future attendance, and I am quite confident that your projections are conservative and rational. As I see it, our President is on a one-year contract extension that will run through next fall.

He may decide to vigorously pursue the athletics side of "Tier One" status, or it may be left to others to lead the charge. Whoever those leaders may be, it would be worthwhile to re-examine the process by which USA pursued football: how they began the movement by supporting a club team, and then steadily built up student and community support.

We still have never had a UT Arlington capital campaign, and our students still pay only a small fraction of what is collected elsewhere in student athletics fees. I'm confident the students would support increased fees if it brought football and women's soccer to UTA.

But first things first - Let's get the students invested in a viable club team program.
What happened to the club team we had? I went to their first ever game at the stadium and I remember they played USA in a game if I remember correctly. I know the school tried to stop the guy who ran it, but I know they played at least 2 seasons.

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(11-12-2018 01:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-12-2018 08:48 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-12-2018 12:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.

other schools see a complete sports offering as part of the whole university package. an example would be starting football at utsa as part of their drive to tier one. by adding football they went from sleepy school with little status to having home games against schools like kansas, baylor, arizona state and the like. they jumped immediately to a conference where now they are associated with schools of much higher stature than they were used to such as rice etc. they are gaining some credibility by association.

At the cost of declining enrollment and the students rejected a fee increase when the school turned back to the after ticket sales, donations, and sponsorships didn't grow as much as expected.

well I dont know about the vote on fee increases but they have actually increased enrollment every year to 32,000 now by their website. I said back when they started football that there few deep pocket fans in the area that are not already rooting for a-m or the teasips.
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(11-12-2018 03:55 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  
(11-11-2018 04:42 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  
(11-11-2018 01:35 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 04:40 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-09-2018 02:08 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  This is not true in the Case of the Sun Belt. UTA would be natural rivals for Texas St, stAte, ULM and Louisiana based on nothing but geography. The real issue is it takes time to develop a rivalry and it often means that the schools have to be competitive with each other often in several sports over the course of several years and not just n Football. Start up teams like GSU or hopefully UTA often find it hard to draw fans and create these rivalries not because they don't have natural rival schools on the schedule but because they haven't been competitive with those peer schools long enough to draw interest from the students or community at large.

makes sense but uta has a long history with txst and stAte and ull..but there would be little local fan interest in games vs app or gaso or troy for example. none of the eastern schools have much of an alumni presence in this area and uta has very few of the kind of die hard fans that will come out in big numbers to things because of school pride. I wish it were not so but there are lots of things to do in the metro area and the local fans are spoiled

Two points.

First, I was thinking the same about history. UTA football alone is 2-0 versus Texas State, 6-5 versus ULM, 9-7 versus Louisiana and 8-13-1 versus Arkansas State. UTA would be unique among start-ups in that there already is a history there. There's a lot to build on in that regard, three conference championships, 1-0 bowl record (before .500 plus got you in a bowl), 30 NFL players, Hall of Honor, etc.

Second, I disagree with the fact that locals wouldn't be interested in the SBC East. If Troy and App keep doing what they do, Georgia Southern keeps improving to their historical norm and the SBC as a whole keeps raising their profile, I think there is a great chance to see attendance rise. One of the best attended baseball games/series was a couple of years ago when Coastal came to town after their natty. I see that potential carrying over.

I did a rudimentary statistical analysis, of attendance in the SBC. Using the five existing team sports and their ranking within the SBC compared to their conference mates, UTA would pull in the top half of the conference. It's not a fool-proof system, but it does show a pretty good consistency. (App was the only real anomaly as they are superstars in football attendance, but terrible in everything else.)
Branden, you've got a great mind. I love the "rudimentary statistical analysis" as a predictor of future attendance, and I am quite confident that your projections are conservative and rational. As I see it, our President is on a one-year contract extension that will run through next fall.

He may decide to vigorously pursue the athletics side of "Tier One" status, or it may be left to others to lead the charge. Whoever those leaders may be, it would be worthwhile to re-examine the process by which USA pursued football: how they began the movement by supporting a club team, and then steadily built up student and community support.

We still have never had a UT Arlington capital campaign, and our students still pay only a small fraction of what is collected elsewhere in student athletics fees. I'm confident the students would support increased fees if it brought football and women's soccer to UTA.

But first things first - Let's get the students invested in a viable club team program.
What happened to the club team we had? I went to their first ever game at the stadium and I remember they played USA in a game if I remember correctly. I know the school tried to stop the guy who ran it, but I know they played at least 2 seasons.

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You're right. We had a club team and a bit of a student movement, but rather than supporting and encouraging the student-initiated club team, the administration put up roadblocks and opposed the movement. The USA game was memorable. Not only did we win it, but we had a good crowd and there was enthusiasm. But more importantly, I noticed that the USA team had a USA bus and very nice USA uniforms. They were obviously encouraged and supported by the South Alabama authorities.

The kid who singlehandedly got the club team started finally gave up and transferred to North Texas. It's water under the bridge now, and maybe the administration correctly believed the timing was wrong, because they wanted to get the arena built first. Whatever.
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(11-12-2018 12:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.

UTA Arlington can announce football in January and start a $30 million capital campaign for the stadium which should seat at least 60,000 to start.

In the meantime, UTA could increase the student fees by $6 per semester hour which we would be about $72 per semester. All students would get tickets each home game.

In three years the amount collected would be over 27 million dollars. That would bring the total to over 57 million in three years. Start football with a D2 schedule as Independent in 2022; then FCS Independent in 2023; and the FBS Sun Belt schedule in 2024.

UTA should play its FCS games against Texas schools to keep down cost. Play only Texas State as FCS within the conference in 2023. Get games at UNT and UTSA.

After that UTA stadium should be packed with at least 4 home games a year.

Possible future FCS out of conference schedule for UTA. Based on 8 game conference schedule


2023
1. @ Prairie View AM
2. Texas Southern
3. @ Sam Houston State
4. Central Arkansas
5. Southeastern Louisiana (Homecoming Game)
6. @New Mexico State
7. @ Texas State
8. Kennesaw State 04-cheers
9. @ Wyoming
10. Florida A&M
11. @ Houston (probably homecoming for UH)
12. Abilene Christian

2024
1. @ UT San Antonio
2. North Texas
3. @ UT El Paso
4. Prairie View AM
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(11-14-2018 04:17 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-12-2018 12:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.

UTA Arlington can announce football in January and start a $30 million capital campaign for the stadium which should seat at least 60,000 to start.

In the meantime, UTA could increase the student fees by $6 per semester hour which we would be about $72 per semester. All students would get tickets each home game.

In three years the amount collected would be over 27 million dollars. That would bring the total to over 57 million in three years. Start football with a D2 schedule as Independent in 2022; then FCS Independent in 2023; and the FBS Sun Belt schedule in 2024.

UTA should play its FCS games against Texas schools to keep down cost. Play only Texas State as FCS within the conference in 2023. Get games at UNT and UTSA.

After that UTA stadium should be packed with at least 4 home games a year.

Possible future FCS out of conference schedule for UTA. Based on 8 game conference schedule


2023
1. @ Prairie View AM
2. Texas Southern
3. @ Sam Houston State
4. Central Arkansas
5. Southeastern Louisiana (Homecoming Game)
6. @New Mexico State
7. @ Texas State
8. Kennesaw State 04-cheers
9. @ Wyoming
10. Florida A&M
11. @ Houston (probably homecoming for UH)
12. Abilene Christian

2024
1. @ UT San Antonio
2. North Texas
3. @ UT El Paso
4. Prairie View AM

Yes, bring on the SWAC and Southland Conference! Tarleton State, TAMU Commerce and Lamar would be good old rivals to include in the transitional seasons. Perhaps Rice, instead of UH would be less painful, as well.
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FloridaJag,

Sounds like a plan, get UTA onboard with allsports, put to pressure on Ark Little Rock. Wouldn't they have to start some more women's team or drop a few mens sport to be Title 9 complaint?
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(11-14-2018 09:30 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 04:17 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-12-2018 12:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.

UTA Arlington can announce football in January and start a $30 million capital campaign for the stadium which should seat at least 60,000 to start.

In the meantime, UTA could increase the student fees by $6 per semester hour which we would be about $72 per semester. All students would get tickets each home game.

In three years the amount collected would be over 27 million dollars. That would bring the total to over 57 million in three years. Start football with a D2 schedule as Independent in 2022; then FCS Independent in 2023; and the FBS Sun Belt schedule in 2024.

UTA should play its FCS games against Texas schools to keep down cost. Play only Texas State as FCS within the conference in 2023. Get games at UNT and UTSA.

After that UTA stadium should be packed with at least 4 home games a year.

Possible future FCS out of conference schedule for UTA. Based on 8 game conference schedule


2023
1. @ Prairie View AM
2. Texas Southern
3. @ Sam Houston State
4. Central Arkansas
5. Southeastern Louisiana (Homecoming Game)
6. @New Mexico State
7. @ Texas State
8. Kennesaw State 04-cheers
9. @ Wyoming
10. Florida A&M
11. @ Houston (probably homecoming for UH)
12. Abilene Christian

2024
1. @ UT San Antonio
2. North Texas
3. @ UT El Paso
4. Prairie View AM

Yes, bring on the SWAC and Southland Conference! Tarleton State, TAMU Commerce and Lamar would be good old rivals to include in the transitional seasons. Perhaps Rice, instead of UH would be less painful, as well.

This is a good plan overall, but that fundraising campaign could be pretty hard to get done. I've not seen enough big money donors putting money into athletics, but I suppose that might be different for football. I would think we would need a face for the campaign though. I wouldn't see a lot of people wanting to hand over checks to our current AD.
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(11-14-2018 11:50 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 09:30 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 04:17 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-12-2018 12:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.

UTA Arlington can announce football in January and start a $30 million capital campaign for the stadium which should seat at least 60,000 to start.

In the meantime, UTA could increase the student fees by $6 per semester hour which we would be about $72 per semester. All students would get tickets each home game.

In three years the amount collected would be over 27 million dollars. That would bring the total to over 57 million in three years. Start football with a D2 schedule as Independent in 2022; then FCS Independent in 2023; and the FBS Sun Belt schedule in 2024.

UTA should play its FCS games against Texas schools to keep down cost. Play only Texas State as FCS within the conference in 2023. Get games at UNT and UTSA.

After that UTA stadium should be packed with at least 4 home games a year.

Possible future FCS out of conference schedule for UTA. Based on 8 game conference schedule


2023
1. @ Prairie View AM
2. Texas Southern
3. @ Sam Houston State
4. Central Arkansas
5. Southeastern Louisiana (Homecoming Game)
6. @New Mexico State
7. @ Texas State
8. Kennesaw State 04-cheers
9. @ Wyoming
10. Florida A&M
11. @ Houston (probably homecoming for UH)
12. Abilene Christian

2024
1. @ UT San Antonio
2. North Texas
3. @ UT El Paso
4. Prairie View AM

Yes, bring on the SWAC and Southland Conference! Tarleton State, TAMU Commerce and Lamar would be good old rivals to include in the transitional seasons. Perhaps Rice, instead of UH would be less painful, as well.

This is a good plan overall, but that fundraising campaign could be pretty hard to get done. I've not seen enough big money donors putting money into athletics, but I suppose that might be different for football. I would think we would need a face for the campaign though. I wouldn't see a lot of people wanting to hand over checks to our current AD.

I like your ambition. UTA will never build a 60,000 stadium or most likely any new stadium. they will renovate and add to the one they have and that is used for football on a regular basis already. to get home games against an occasional "name" school JerryWorld might be a possibilty. there is history with many of those schools mentioned so games against them are a possibility. we have had tcu and smu on the schedule in the past too so those games should draw a nice crowd. maybe since uta was willing to take the bitter pill of firing a successful favorite son coach from their highest profile sport they have made a decision to revisit the football question and the direction of their athletics program overall. really the next step is to look at the baseball program since it has not been at a top level in many years.
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(11-14-2018 09:55 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  FloridaJag,

Sounds like a plan, get UTA onboard with allsports, put to pressure on Ark Little Rock. Wouldn't they have to start some more women's team or drop a few mens sport to be Title 9 complaint?

I think so but I don't know the number of sports.
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(11-14-2018 11:50 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 09:30 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 04:17 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-12-2018 12:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.

UTA Arlington can announce football in January and start a $30 million capital campaign for the stadium which should seat at least 60,000 to start.

In the meantime, UTA could increase the student fees by $6 per semester hour which we would be about $72 per semester. All students would get tickets each home game.

In three years the amount collected would be over 27 million dollars. That would bring the total to over 57 million in three years. Start football with a D2 schedule as Independent in 2022; then FCS Independent in 2023; and the FBS Sun Belt schedule in 2024.

UTA should play its FCS games against Texas schools to keep down cost. Play only Texas State as FCS within the conference in 2023. Get games at UNT and UTSA.

After that UTA stadium should be packed with at least 4 home games a year.

Possible future FCS out of conference schedule for UTA. Based on 8 game conference schedule


2023
1. @ Prairie View AM
2. Texas Southern
3. @ Sam Houston State
4. Central Arkansas
5. Southeastern Louisiana (Homecoming Game)
6. @New Mexico State
7. @ Texas State
8. Kennesaw State 04-cheers
9. @ Wyoming
10. Florida A&M
11. @ Houston (probably homecoming for UH)
12. Abilene Christian

2024
1. @ UT San Antonio
2. North Texas
3. @ UT El Paso
4. Prairie View AM

Yes, bring on the SWAC and Southland Conference! Tarleton State, TAMU Commerce and Lamar would be good old rivals to include in the transitional seasons. Perhaps Rice, instead of UH would be less painful, as well.

This is a good plan overall, but that fundraising campaign could be pretty hard to get done. I've not seen enough big money donors putting money into athletics, but I suppose that might be different for football. I would think we would need a face for the campaign though. I wouldn't see a lot of people wanting to hand over checks to our current AD.

Who are your most famous alumni?
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(11-15-2018 08:02 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 11:50 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 09:30 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 04:17 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-12-2018 12:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The comparison of attendance in other sports makes some sense. Would make even more if just restricted to schools close to UTA in success in the measured sports. Not sure that comparing UTA hoops attendance (for example) to a school that finishes four games or so back of UTA provides much insight.

The historic records while interesting aren't particularly instructive given that virtually no one under age 40 has memories of UTA football.

UTA wants football and can fund it at a level that would provide an opportunity to be competitive without harming the existing sports, then I'm all for it. I just don't see any compelling reason for UTA to add football unless there is strong support and commitment from alumni because UTA certainly doesn't appear to be struggling finding quality students in large quantities.

UTA Arlington can announce football in January and start a $30 million capital campaign for the stadium which should seat at least 60,000 to start.

In the meantime, UTA could increase the student fees by $6 per semester hour which we would be about $72 per semester. All students would get tickets each home game.

In three years the amount collected would be over 27 million dollars. That would bring the total to over 57 million in three years. Start football with a D2 schedule as Independent in 2022; then FCS Independent in 2023; and the FBS Sun Belt schedule in 2024.

UTA should play its FCS games against Texas schools to keep down cost. Play only Texas State as FCS within the conference in 2023. Get games at UNT and UTSA.

After that UTA stadium should be packed with at least 4 home games a year.

Possible future FCS out of conference schedule for UTA. Based on 8 game conference schedule


2023
1. @ Prairie View AM
2. Texas Southern
3. @ Sam Houston State
4. Central Arkansas
5. Southeastern Louisiana (Homecoming Game)
6. @New Mexico State
7. @ Texas State
8. Kennesaw State 04-cheers
9. @ Wyoming
10. Florida A&M
11. @ Houston (probably homecoming for UH)
12. Abilene Christian

2024
1. @ UT San Antonio
2. North Texas
3. @ UT El Paso
4. Prairie View AM

Yes, bring on the SWAC and Southland Conference! Tarleton State, TAMU Commerce and Lamar would be good old rivals to include in the transitional seasons. Perhaps Rice, instead of UH would be less painful, as well.

This is a good plan overall, but that fundraising campaign could be pretty hard to get done. I've not seen enough big money donors putting money into athletics, but I suppose that might be different for football. I would think we would need a face for the campaign though. I wouldn't see a lot of people wanting to hand over checks to our current AD.

I like your ambition. UTA will never build a 60,000 stadium or most likely any new stadium. they will renovate and add to the one they have and that is used for football on a regular basis already. to get home games against an occasional "name" school JerryWorld might be a possibilty. there is history with many of those schools mentioned so games against them are a possibility. we have had tcu and smu on the schedule in the past too so those games should draw a nice crowd. maybe since uta was willing to take the bitter pill of firing a successful favorite son coach from their highest profile sport they have made a decision to revisit the football question and the direction of their athletics program overall. really the next step is to look at the baseball program since it has not been at a top level in many years.

Is the old Cotton Bowl available? I mean the lot?
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(11-15-2018 09:05 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 08:02 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 11:50 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 09:30 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 04:17 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  UTA Arlington can announce football in January and start a $30 million capital campaign for the stadium which should seat at least 60,000 to start.

In the meantime, UTA could increase the student fees by $6 per semester hour which we would be about $72 per semester. All students would get tickets each home game.

In three years the amount collected would be over 27 million dollars. That would bring the total to over 57 million in three years. Start football with a D2 schedule as Independent in 2022; then FCS Independent in 2023; and the FBS Sun Belt schedule in 2024.

UTA should play its FCS games against Texas schools to keep down cost. Play only Texas State as FCS within the conference in 2023. Get games at UNT and UTSA.

After that UTA stadium should be packed with at least 4 home games a year.

Possible future FCS out of conference schedule for UTA. Based on 8 game conference schedule


2023
1. @ Prairie View AM
2. Texas Southern
3. @ Sam Houston State
4. Central Arkansas
5. Southeastern Louisiana (Homecoming Game)
6. @New Mexico State
7. @ Texas State
8. Kennesaw State 04-cheers
9. @ Wyoming
10. Florida A&M
11. @ Houston (probably homecoming for UH)
12. Abilene Christian

2024
1. @ UT San Antonio
2. North Texas
3. @ UT El Paso
4. Prairie View AM

Yes, bring on the SWAC and Southland Conference! Tarleton State, TAMU Commerce and Lamar would be good old rivals to include in the transitional seasons. Perhaps Rice, instead of UH would be less painful, as well.

This is a good plan overall, but that fundraising campaign could be pretty hard to get done. I've not seen enough big money donors putting money into athletics, but I suppose that might be different for football. I would think we would need a face for the campaign though. I wouldn't see a lot of people wanting to hand over checks to our current AD.

I like your ambition. UTA will never build a 60,000 stadium or most likely any new stadium. they will renovate and add to the one they have and that is used for football on a regular basis already. to get home games against an occasional "name" school JerryWorld might be a possibilty. there is history with many of those schools mentioned so games against them are a possibility. we have had tcu and smu on the schedule in the past too so those games should draw a nice crowd. maybe since uta was willing to take the bitter pill of firing a successful favorite son coach from their highest profile sport they have made a decision to revisit the football question and the direction of their athletics program overall. really the next step is to look at the baseball program since it has not been at a top level in many years.

Is the old Cotton Bowl available? I mean the lot?

I believe the supreme goal is an on campus stadium. I used 60,000 seats as the goal but it would be more online with UCF's stadium progression.
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(11-15-2018 09:08 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 09:05 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 08:02 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 11:50 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 09:30 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  Yes, bring on the SWAC and Southland Conference! Tarleton State, TAMU Commerce and Lamar would be good old rivals to include in the transitional seasons. Perhaps Rice, instead of UH would be less painful, as well.

This is a good plan overall, but that fundraising campaign could be pretty hard to get done. I've not seen enough big money donors putting money into athletics, but I suppose that might be different for football. I would think we would need a face for the campaign though. I wouldn't see a lot of people wanting to hand over checks to our current AD.

I like your ambition. UTA will never build a 60,000 stadium or most likely any new stadium. they will renovate and add to the one they have and that is used for football on a regular basis already. to get home games against an occasional "name" school JerryWorld might be a possibilty. there is history with many of those schools mentioned so games against them are a possibility. we have had tcu and smu on the schedule in the past too so those games should draw a nice crowd. maybe since uta was willing to take the bitter pill of firing a successful favorite son coach from their highest profile sport they have made a decision to revisit the football question and the direction of their athletics program overall. really the next step is to look at the baseball program since it has not been at a top level in many years.

Is the old Cotton Bowl available? I mean the lot?

I believe the supreme goal is an on campus stadium. I used 60,000 seats as the goal but it would be more online with UCF's stadium progression.
Our current stadium is already on campus and would be pretty easy to upgrade. It's pretty much a blank slate.

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(11-15-2018 09:10 AM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 09:08 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 09:05 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 08:02 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(11-14-2018 11:50 PM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  This is a good plan overall, but that fundraising campaign could be pretty hard to get done. I've not seen enough big money donors putting money into athletics, but I suppose that might be different for football. I would think we would need a face for the campaign though. I wouldn't see a lot of people wanting to hand over checks to our current AD.

I like your ambition. UTA will never build a 60,000 stadium or most likely any new stadium. they will renovate and add to the one they have and that is used for football on a regular basis already. to get home games against an occasional "name" school JerryWorld might be a possibilty. there is history with many of those schools mentioned so games against them are a possibility. we have had tcu and smu on the schedule in the past too so those games should draw a nice crowd. maybe since uta was willing to take the bitter pill of firing a successful favorite son coach from their highest profile sport they have made a decision to revisit the football question and the direction of their athletics program overall. really the next step is to look at the baseball program since it has not been at a top level in many years.

Is the old Cotton Bowl available? I mean the lot?

I believe the supreme goal is an on campus stadium. I used 60,000 seats as the goal but it would be more online with UCF's stadium progression.
Our current stadium is already on campus and would be pretty easy to upgrade. It's pretty much a blank slate.

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Thanks, Jag for keeping this conversation going. (Are there any other threads over 5 years old?) I don't think the Cotton Bowl is available in any way. It is about 30 miles east of Arlington in East Dallas, at the State Fair of Texas. Other than naming rights and the annual Texas-OU game, the Cotton Bowl has nothing going for it. Maybe if the stadium were demolished, we could recycle some of the seats or restroom fixtures.

About our on-campus stadium, Grump is right. Formersportscaster has discussed in detail on this thread the pros, cons and potential enhancements to be made to Maverick Stadium. I would only be concerned about the availability of parking and the encroachment of other campus construction that has occurred over the last 30 years nearby. All these issues are manageable if the UTA Nation wants football.

Students of UTA football history would recall that we played SMU at the Cotton Bowl in 1964. losing 14-0. I was there, as a HS sophomore, and recall that it seemed closer than that. Of note: SMU, like all the SWC teams, was all white, while Arlington State (the Rebels!) had some black players, including future NFL player Melvin Witt.
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(11-15-2018 03:40 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 09:10 AM)grumpdoggMav Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 09:08 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 09:05 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(11-15-2018 08:02 AM)runamuck Wrote:  I like your ambition. UTA will never build a 60,000 stadium or most likely any new stadium. they will renovate and add to the one they have and that is used for football on a regular basis already. to get home games against an occasional "name" school JerryWorld might be a possibilty. there is history with many of those schools mentioned so games against them are a possibility. we have had tcu and smu on the schedule in the past too so those games should draw a nice crowd. maybe since uta was willing to take the bitter pill of firing a successful favorite son coach from their highest profile sport they have made a decision to revisit the football question and the direction of their athletics program overall. really the next step is to look at the baseball program since it has not been at a top level in many years.

Is the old Cotton Bowl available? I mean the lot?

I believe the supreme goal is an on campus stadium. I used 60,000 seats as the goal but it would be more online with UCF's stadium progression.
Our current stadium is already on campus and would be pretty easy to upgrade. It's pretty much a blank slate.

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Thanks, Jag for keeping this conversation going. (Are there any other threads over 5 years old?) I don't think the Cotton Bowl is available in any way. It is about 30 miles east of Arlington in East Dallas, at the State Fair of Texas. Other than naming rights and the annual Texas-OU game, the Cotton Bowl has nothing going for it. Maybe if the stadium were demolished, we could recycle some of the seats or restroom fixtures.

About our on-campus stadium, Grump is right. Formersportscaster has discussed in detail on this thread the pros, cons and potential enhancements to be made to Maverick Stadium. I would only be concerned about the availability of parking and the encroachment of other campus construction that has occurred over the last 30 years nearby. All these issues are manageable if the UTA Nation wants football.

Students of UTA football history would recall that we played SMU at the Cotton Bowl in 1964. losing 14-0. I was there, as a HS sophomore, and recall that it seemed closer than that. Of note: SMU, like all the SWC teams, was all white, while Arlington State (the Rebels!) had some black players, including future NFL player Melvin Witt.

we also played them at Texas Stadium when they had the "pony express" of eric dickerson and craig james. I hired the guy that flew over cowboy games at texas stadium towing banners for many years to fly over smu with a banner that said "go uta beat smu"..it made the news that night but didnt help the mavs as the pony express was too much for us.
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I have said numerous times that more was going on behind the scenes than most knew. Les Miles was part of the process.

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