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RE: ACC realignment
(11-14-2018 10:42 AM)nole Wrote: (11-13-2018 12:05 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote: I still think that 15 is a better number than 12. We could break into 3 divisions with 5 teams and play an 8 game schedule, You would see every member more often and ND could play each division in rotation for their 5 games.
Adding 3 teams would reduce the P5's lowest payout even further. Unless, MAYBE, ND was one of them (not happening).
The revenue gap growing (as it has been) even more, would be VERY bad for the future of the conference.
We already have 14 teams. We need to add one to get to 15. If FSU and Clemson leave the amount per team will decrease despite fewer members. The right number 15 could add the revenue to pay for themselves depending on where they are.
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RE: ACC realignment
(10-22-2018 11:34 AM)ken d Wrote: (10-22-2018 07:31 AM)XLance Wrote: (10-21-2018 12:52 PM)OrangeDude Wrote: (10-21-2018 11:06 AM)XLance Wrote: (10-16-2018 04:20 PM)OrangeDude Wrote: But isn't that the point? Quite a few do think it is broke. Heck, even the perfect set-up for two divisions which is having just 12 teams had fans criticizing the actual make-up of the divisions themselves.
There will never be a solution with which everyone is completely satisfied.
Cheers,
Neil
It would be nice to get back to a conference with 12 or fewer members.
I actually can imagine a one-college-sports organization where there exists 72 schools in 8 divisions of 9 teams each.
Cheers,
Neil
And just how would you configure those 8 divisions, Neil?
How about this one that I proposed in 2015?
ACC North: Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, Temple, Wake Forest, West Virginia
ACC South: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, NC State, UNC, Virginia, Virginia Tech
What did Wake Forest do to you?
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-07-2018 06:50 PM)TexanMark Wrote: (11-07-2018 06:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: (10-22-2018 11:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote: I have been lurking here, but this is what the old timers would like:
10 team ACC:
UNC
DUKE
WAKE
NCSU
UVA
VT
CLEMSON
GT
FSU
MIAMI
Football:
9 conference games (everyone plays everyone)
Conference game in Charlotte
No ND business
Basketball:
18 conference games
Tournaments in Greensboro
Sold. When do we begin?
Say goodbye to your ACC Network...and hello to RAYCOM
Yes that's why conferences keep getting bigger. But cord cutting will eventually stop or reverse this trend.
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11-16-2018 12:58 AM |
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-16-2018 12:58 AM)random asian guy Wrote: (11-07-2018 06:50 PM)TexanMark Wrote: (11-07-2018 06:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: (10-22-2018 11:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote: I have been lurking here, but this is what the old timers would like:
10 team ACC:
UNC
DUKE
WAKE
NCSU
UVA
VT
CLEMSON
GT
FSU
MIAMI
Football:
9 conference games (everyone plays everyone)
Conference game in Charlotte
No ND business
Basketball:
18 conference games
Tournaments in Greensboro
Sold. When do we begin?
Say goodbye to your ACC Network...and hello to RAYCOM
Yes that's why conferences keep getting bigger. But cord cutting will eventually stop or reverse this trend.
No. Not really. If anything they will force more consolidation because if they pay more, they will want a guaranteed content game each week for each time slot. They will stream what they can maximize. So think larger and fewer conferences. And then the Alston case could make an even bigger impact than that.
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11-16-2018 03:08 AM |
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random asian guy
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-16-2018 03:08 AM)JRsec Wrote: (11-16-2018 12:58 AM)random asian guy Wrote: (11-07-2018 06:50 PM)TexanMark Wrote: (11-07-2018 06:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: (10-22-2018 11:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote: I have been lurking here, but this is what the old timers would like:
10 team ACC:
UNC
DUKE
WAKE
NCSU
UVA
VT
CLEMSON
GT
FSU
MIAMI
Football:
9 conference games (everyone plays everyone)
Conference game in Charlotte
No ND business
Basketball:
18 conference games
Tournaments in Greensboro
Sold. When do we begin?
Say goodbye to your ACC Network...and hello to RAYCOM
Yes that's why conferences keep getting bigger. But cord cutting will eventually stop or reverse this trend.
No. Not really. If anything they will force more consolidation because if they pay more, they will want a guaranteed content game each week for each time slot. They will stream what they can maximize. So think larger and fewer conferences. And then the Alston case could make an even bigger impact than that.
Maybe. Or maybe not. Cord cutting means you don't need second tier games just to run a 24/7 cable channel. It also means you don't need to add a team just to expand the tv market footprint. Big ten would never add a team like Maryland in age of cord cutting in my opinion.
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11-16-2018 09:29 AM |
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-16-2018 09:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote: (11-16-2018 03:08 AM)JRsec Wrote: (11-16-2018 12:58 AM)random asian guy Wrote: (11-07-2018 06:50 PM)TexanMark Wrote: (11-07-2018 06:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: Sold. When do we begin?
Say goodbye to your ACC Network...and hello to RAYCOM
Yes that's why conferences keep getting bigger. But cord cutting will eventually stop or reverse this trend.
No. Not really. If anything they will force more consolidation because if they pay more, they will want a guaranteed content game each week for each time slot. They will stream what they can maximize. So think larger and fewer conferences. And then the Alston case could make an even bigger impact than that.
Maybe. Or maybe not. Cord cutting means you don't need second tier games just to run a 24/7 cable channel. It also means you don't need to add a team just to expand the tv market footprint. Big ten would never add a team like Maryland in age of cord cutting in my opinion.
It's true that Maryland would have had a harder time getting in now. But cord cutting is just the catalyst for the reason. The reason is that now most payouts by the networks, or other wouldbe carriers, will be based upon the total appeal of the actual games rather than the market reach of the package of schools.
What that translates into is brand on brand quality team slugging it out. So the Big 10 and SEC have more top brands for other brands to be matched with. So as the paradigm for payouts change so to will the reasons for expansion.
But what you won't see at this time is conference contraction. The third tier packages of rights still need market penetration, especially since they aren't the top content games that will be vying for prime time. So market reach for T3 value means no conference is shrinking. But conferences wanting to maximize revenues will go after Texas, Oklahoma, and in 2035 or so Clemson, Florida State, and possibly Virginia Tech because just one of those x the number of brands they would play in a new conference home will just multiply the value of the contracts. So the present P5 will now ponder additions that increase the gravitas of national appeal.
However, if the Alston case rules in favor of Alston then everything we are presently discussing will change again.
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11-16-2018 04:17 PM |
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-16-2018 04:17 PM)JRsec Wrote: (11-16-2018 09:29 AM)random asian guy Wrote: (11-16-2018 03:08 AM)JRsec Wrote: (11-16-2018 12:58 AM)random asian guy Wrote: (11-07-2018 06:50 PM)TexanMark Wrote: Say goodbye to your ACC Network...and hello to RAYCOM
Yes that's why conferences keep getting bigger. But cord cutting will eventually stop or reverse this trend.
No. Not really. If anything they will force more consolidation because if they pay more, they will want a guaranteed content game each week for each time slot. They will stream what they can maximize. So think larger and fewer conferences. And then the Alston case could make an even bigger impact than that.
Maybe. Or maybe not. Cord cutting means you don't need second tier games just to run a 24/7 cable channel. It also means you don't need to add a team just to expand the tv market footprint. Big ten would never add a team like Maryland in age of cord cutting in my opinion.
It's true that Maryland would have had a harder time getting in now. But cord cutting is just the catalyst for the reason. The reason is that now most payouts by the networks, or other wouldbe carriers, will be based upon the total appeal of the actual games rather than the market reach of the package of schools.
What that translates into is brand on brand quality team slugging it out. So the Big 10 and SEC have more top brands for other brands to be matched with. So as the paradigm for payouts change so to will the reasons for expansion.
But what you won't see at this time is conference contraction. The third tier packages of rights still need market penetration, especially since they aren't the top content games that will be vying for prime time. So market reach for T3 value means no conference is shrinking. But conferences wanting to maximize revenues will go after Texas, Oklahoma, and in 2035 or so Clemson, Florida State, and possibly Virginia Tech because just one of those x the number of brands they would play in a new conference home will just multiply the value of the contracts. So the present P5 will now ponder additions that increase the gravitas of national appeal.
However, if the Alston case rules in favor of Alston then everything we are presently discussing will change again.
Well the basic principle remains same. A conference will expand or contract if doing so increases payout PER SCHOOL. So yes in age of cord cutting, conferences may still go after brand name schools as you said. But at the same time, conferences will have an incentive to drop schools if these schools stop being profitable (less well known football schools in good market)
Again, when everyone switches to the streaming model, no need to run a 24/7 channel. Then what would be the magic number? A college football team plays 9 conference games at most. So I would say 10 teams max. If you have 10 brand name teams already, no reason to add as that will NOT increase the payout per team.
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RE: ACC realignment
I have an idea:
Atlantic Coast Conference
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
North Carolina
Duke
NC State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
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11-18-2018 02:17 AM |
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RE: ACC realignment
Actually this is what it was supposed to be:
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
West Virginia
Maryland
Virginia Tech
UVa
Wake Forest
Carolina
Duke
NC State
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
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11-18-2018 10:30 AM |
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-18-2018 10:30 AM)XLance Wrote: Actually this is what it was supposed to be:
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
West Virginia
Maryland
Virginia Tech
UVa
Wake Forest
Carolina
Duke
NC State
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
My name is Hokie Mark, and I approve this message.
(That said, Louisville ain't a bad consolation prize)
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RE: ACC realignment
Maybe Louisville’s next coach will bring back their classic uniforms (or the Bridgewater era—which are similar if not more sharp). They’re some of my personal favs.
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11-18-2018 05:51 PM |
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-18-2018 05:51 PM)esayem Wrote: Maybe Louisville’s next coach will bring back their classic uniforms (or the Bridgewater era—which are similar if not more sharp). They’re some of my personal favs.
Let's hope. I hate the black uniform with the red metallic helmets - they're so ugly you can make an argument that they're the reason for the demise of Cardinals' football.
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11-18-2018 05:56 PM |
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-18-2018 05:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (11-18-2018 05:51 PM)esayem Wrote: Maybe Louisville’s next coach will bring back their classic uniforms (or the Bridgewater era—which are similar if not more sharp). They’re some of my personal favs.
Let's hope. I hate the black uniform with the red metallic helmets - they're so ugly you can make an argument that they're the reason for the demise of Cardinals' football.
no thats there god awful coach and human being
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11-18-2018 06:03 PM |
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-18-2018 06:03 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote: (11-18-2018 05:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (11-18-2018 05:51 PM)esayem Wrote: Maybe Louisville’s next coach will bring back their classic uniforms (or the Bridgewater era—which are similar if not more sharp). They’re some of my personal favs.
Let's hope. I hate the black uniform with the red metallic helmets - they're so ugly you can make an argument that they're the reason for the demise of Cardinals' football.
no thats there god awful coach and human being
Hey, the person who made the players wear those uniforms is pretty evil, too!
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-16-2018 04:17 PM)JRsec Wrote: It's true that Maryland would have had a harder time getting in now. But cord cutting is just the catalyst for the reason. The reason is that now most payouts by the networks, or other wouldbe carriers, will be based upon the total appeal of the actual games rather than the market reach of the package of schools.
What that translates into is brand on brand quality team slugging it out. So the Big 10 and SEC have more top brands for other brands to be matched with. So as the paradigm for payouts change so to will the reasons for expansion.
But what you won't see at this time is conference contraction. The third tier packages of rights still need market penetration, especially since they aren't the top content games that will be vying for prime time. So market reach for T3 value means no conference is shrinking. But conferences wanting to maximize revenues will go after Texas, Oklahoma, and in 2035 or so Clemson, Florida State, and possibly Virginia Tech because just one of those x the number of brands they would play in a new conference home will just multiply the value of the contracts. So the present P5 will now ponder additions that increase the gravitas of national appeal.
However, if the Alston case rules in favor of Alston then everything we are presently discussing will change again.
https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status...7798128641
WHAT AM I CHOPPED LIVER
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-18-2018 06:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (11-18-2018 06:03 PM)Chris02m1 Wrote: (11-18-2018 05:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (11-18-2018 05:51 PM)esayem Wrote: Maybe Louisville’s next coach will bring back their classic uniforms (or the Bridgewater era—which are similar if not more sharp). They’re some of my personal favs.
Let's hope. I hate the black uniform with the red metallic helmets - they're so ugly you can make an argument that they're the reason for the demise of Cardinals' football.
no thats there god awful coach and human being
Hey, the person who made the players wear those uniforms is pretty evil, too!
true
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11-19-2018 06:31 PM |
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-18-2018 02:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (11-18-2018 10:30 AM)XLance Wrote: Actually this is what it was supposed to be:
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
West Virginia
Maryland
Virginia Tech
UVa
Wake Forest
Carolina
Duke
NC State
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
My name is Hokie Mark, and I approve this message.
(That said, Louisville ain't a bad consolation prize)
Louisville as a substitute for South Carolina is not bad indeed.
I would divide like this:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Miami
UVa, Wake Forest, Duke, Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State and NCSU
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11-21-2018 09:55 PM |
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RE: ACC realignment
(11-21-2018 09:55 PM)XLance Wrote: (11-18-2018 02:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (11-18-2018 10:30 AM)XLance Wrote: Actually this is what it was supposed to be:
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
West Virginia
Maryland
Virginia Tech
UVa
Wake Forest
Carolina
Duke
NC State
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
My name is Hokie Mark, and I approve this message.
(That said, Louisville ain't a bad consolation prize)
Louisville as a substitute for South Carolina is not bad indeed.
I would divide like this:
BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Miami
UVa, Wake Forest, Duke, Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State and NCSU
You'd probably get a good deal of Maryland fans to sign this deal. You'd still hear a bunch of complaining about being in the "North" division but that's what Maryland fans do. They'd still sign up for it.
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11-23-2018 07:03 AM |
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RE: ACC realignment
I like
Atlantic: UVA, v tech, unc, duke, nc state, wake, Clemson
Coastal: bc, cuse, Pitt, lville, G tech, FSU, Miami
Format 6-1-1
The problem is g tech wouldn’t like it. You could give them an annual game vs Clemson and ND but they probably still veto it
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11-23-2018 11:30 AM |
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Hokie Mark
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RE: ACC realignment
I have it figured out but too long to type on a phone. So I'm pulling a Miko...
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11-23-2018 01:52 PM |
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