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(10-11-2018 08:30 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  I’ll thank Mick for trying to be the best at coaching basketball and building men. Not a person who tries to be the best cheater. He has a few coaching flaws but he has built the program back to very respectable but not elite.

My biggest disappoint is he seems a bit too loyal to his assistants. A tad too stubborn at times also. As long as we stay a regular ncaa tourney team, I’m happy with him as our coach. Hopefully the new arena brings a challenging atmosphere for opponents and helps recruiting.

I definitely agree about the cheating. I commend him for not embarrassing the program and University.

Now some humor:

The one guy Posted the video of Mick talking about this year (including the replacement of the assistant coach). Same Video he talks about Jacob being at Golden State and Gary being in Houston.
I was just waiting for someone to say we couldn’t get out of the second round with 2 NBA players. Hahahahahaha. I definitely want more postseason success. That was a tough loss.

(10-07-2018 08:47 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(10-05-2018 07:48 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(10-05-2018 12:24 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  I think it's wrong to assume winning and running a clean program are mutually exclusive attributes.

List for me the clean programs that boast multiple NC's

Don't leave me out here with the crickets.

FCC

I've been off enjoying an "unplugged" vacation and just read these posts.

Who has won multiple NC's and done it without scandal? Jay Wright at Villanova comes to mind (I'm told he was on UC's wish list when Mick was hired but wouldn't consider leaving Philadelphia). Brad Stevens took Butler to the championship game two consecutive years from a mid-major conference without any hint of scandal as I recall. All of this in just the past decade.

Are we at the point where Elite Eights and an occasional Final Four would keep UC fans happy? I think so. As others have said, 2017-'18 was one of UC's best regular seasons ever and the AAC season and tourney crowns were hallmarks of a traditionally great program. Consistently exiting in the first weekend of the NCAA? Not so much so unless it's a low or mid-major program that has overachieved on a consistent basis just to earn a bid.

Mick deserves credit where credit is due. But he is also a highly compensated employee of UC and it's fair for expectations to rise as the program is built according to his master plan; he is the "CEO". Few corporate CEO's get accolades for delivering the same revenue results year to year; most don't even keep their jobs long under those circumstances. High major college basketball is a results-driven business too.

I believe the new 5th/3rd could be transformational for the UC basketball experience and provide a giant leap forward in recruiting. Mick had suggested the old arena was a barrier to recruiting. If so, we'll know more soon.

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(10-08-2018 08:15 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  I am not going to go back and quote all of your posts. I believe you stated that Mick was not the one who lost the game, it was the players. That may be true, but Mick was the on that left Cumberland in with four fouls, Mick was the one who either did not, or could not utilize his timeouts to slow the run, or design a play to go inside, or calm his kids down. That was on Mick. Period. Mick loves to come up with excuses, and belittle his own fan base, with his petulant quotes about offense being for friends and family, and the Tournament is for recruiting, The X game is just another game, and all of the other BS he has spouted over the years. He does not get elite recruits because they don't want to play in his system or style. You don't think other coaches recruit against him because of that? Please. Mick does himself no favors with his failure to win in March and his childish attitude.

Dude, he's recruiting 18 year olds. They aren't deciding against us because of a press conference Mick had a few years ago or because of what he said about the Xavier game. They're going to base their decision on our recent success, what we've done for players and the campus/university itself. The players he's trying to persuade aren't 35 year old UC fans with beer guts who watch sports center religiously. They're high school kids... As far as Xavier goes, it is just a game. Sorry you give it some metaphysical power/significance over things, but I don't.

(10-13-2018 11:55 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 08:15 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  I am not going to go back and quote all of your posts. I believe you stated that Mick was not the one who lost the game, it was the players. That may be true, but Mick was the on that left Cumberland in with four fouls, Mick was the one who either did not, or could not utilize his timeouts to slow the run, or design a play to go inside, or calm his kids down. That was on Mick. Period. Mick loves to come up with excuses, and belittle his own fan base, with his petulant quotes about offense being for friends and family, and the Tournament is for recruiting, The X game is just another game, and all of the other BS he has spouted over the years. He does not get elite recruits because they don't want to play in his system or style. You don't think other coaches recruit against him because of that? Please. Mick does himself no favors with his failure to win in March and his childish attitude.

Dude, he's recruiting 18 year olds. They aren't deciding against us because of a press conference Mick had a few years ago or because of what he said about the Xavier game. They're going to base their decision on our recent success, what we've done for players and the campus/university itself. The players he's trying to persuade aren't 35 year old UC fans with beer guts who watch sports center religiously. They're high school kids... As far as Xavier goes, it is just a game. Sorry you give it some metaphysical power/significance over things, but I don't.

So you don't care about beating our biggest rival?

(10-13-2018 04:56 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 08:47 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(10-05-2018 07:48 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(10-05-2018 12:24 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  I think it's wrong to assume winning and running a clean program are mutually exclusive attributes.

List for me the clean programs that boast multiple NC's

Don't leave me out here with the crickets.

FCC

I've been off enjoying an "unplugged" vacation and just read these posts.

Who has won multiple NC's and done it without scandal? Jay Wright at Villanova comes to mind (I'm told he was on UC's wish list when Mick was hired but wouldn't consider leaving Philadelphia). Brad Stevens took Butler to the championship game two consecutive years from a mid-major conference without any hint of scandal as I recall. All of this in just the past decade.

I'll give you Wright...conditionally, however the program's history is not scandal free:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...es-bridges

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/09/sport...andal.html

http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/mainlin...2ceeb.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xp...story.html

(10-13-2018 11:55 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 08:15 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  I am not going to go back and quote all of your posts. I believe you stated that Mick was not the one who lost the game, it was the players. That may be true, but Mick was the on that left Cumberland in with four fouls, Mick was the one who either did not, or could not utilize his timeouts to slow the run, or design a play to go inside, or calm his kids down. That was on Mick. Period. Mick loves to come up with excuses, and belittle his own fan base, with his petulant quotes about offense being for friends and family, and the Tournament is for recruiting, The X game is just another game, and all of the other BS he has spouted over the years. He does not get elite recruits because they don't want to play in his system or style. You don't think other coaches recruit against him because of that? Please. Mick does himself no favors with his failure to win in March and his childish attitude.

Dude, he's recruiting 18 year olds. They aren't deciding against us because of a press conference Mick had a few years ago or because of what he said about the Xavier game. They're going to base their decision on our recent success, what we've done for players and the campus/university itself. The players he's trying to persuade aren't 35 year old UC fans with beer guts who watch sports center religiously. They're high school kids... As far as Xavier goes, it is just a game. Sorry you give it some metaphysical power/significance over things, but I don't.

Dude, can you read? Not what I posted about recruiting. You are very good at twisting an argument though with your blathering nonsense.

I like Mick. I have given him the benefit of the doubt for many years, and this program is solid. However- GET OUT OF THE FIRST WEEKEND OF THE TOURNAMENT GOD D**&$IT!

Thank you. That is all.

here's some facts. we're in the american conference. mick gets us to the tourney. to paraphrase tony bennett, march is where wonderful happens. he said that after losing to umbc or whomever

Divided country. Divided fan base.

Is the signed petition for Mick's statue making the rounds yet? [Sarcasm] Hang the 2018 banners, beat Ohio State and Zavier, and enjoy the season until March. Then cross that bridge with seeding and matchups. Life is good.

(10-14-2018 09:44 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:55 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 08:15 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  I am not going to go back and quote all of your posts. I believe you stated that Mick was not the one who lost the game, it was the players. That may be true, but Mick was the on that left Cumberland in with four fouls, Mick was the one who either did not, or could not utilize his timeouts to slow the run, or design a play to go inside, or calm his kids down. That was on Mick. Period. Mick loves to come up with excuses, and belittle his own fan base, with his petulant quotes about offense being for friends and family, and the Tournament is for recruiting, The X game is just another game, and all of the other BS he has spouted over the years. He does not get elite recruits because they don't want to play in his system or style. You don't think other coaches recruit against him because of that? Please. Mick does himself no favors with his failure to win in March and his childish attitude.

Dude, he's recruiting 18 year olds. They aren't deciding against us because of a press conference Mick had a few years ago or because of what he said about the Xavier game. They're going to base their decision on our recent success, what we've done for players and the campus/university itself. The players he's trying to persuade aren't 35 year old UC fans with beer guts who watch sports center religiously. They're high school kids... As far as Xavier goes, it is just a game. Sorry you give it some metaphysical power/significance over things, but I don't.

So you don't care about beating our biggest rival?

No more than anybody else.
Rivalries are made up. The win/loss column is not.

(10-14-2018 10:19 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:55 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 08:15 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  I am not going to go back and quote all of your posts. I believe you stated that Mick was not the one who lost the game, it was the players. That may be true, but Mick was the on that left Cumberland in with four fouls, Mick was the one who either did not, or could not utilize his timeouts to slow the run, or design a play to go inside, or calm his kids down. That was on Mick. Period. Mick loves to come up with excuses, and belittle his own fan base, with his petulant quotes about offense being for friends and family, and the Tournament is for recruiting, The X game is just another game, and all of the other BS he has spouted over the years. He does not get elite recruits because they don't want to play in his system or style. You don't think other coaches recruit against him because of that? Please. Mick does himself no favors with his failure to win in March and his childish attitude.

Dude, he's recruiting 18 year olds. They aren't deciding against us because of a press conference Mick had a few years ago or because of what he said about the Xavier game. They're going to base their decision on our recent success, what we've done for players and the campus/university itself. The players he's trying to persuade aren't 35 year old UC fans with beer guts who watch sports center religiously. They're high school kids... As far as Xavier goes, it is just a game. Sorry you give it some metaphysical power/significance over things, but I don't.

Dude, can you read? Not what I posted about recruiting. You are very good at twisting an argument though with your blathering nonsense.

Given that you're back and forth during the course of that paragraph, it's hard to tell if you're talking style and system exclusively or not. I mean,

Quote:. He does not get elite recruits because they don't want to play in his system or style. You don't think other coaches recruit against him because of that? Please. Mick does himself no favors with his failure to win in March and his childish attitude.

kind of makes it sound like you think his approach and his attitude about the program are somehow causing recruiting deficiencies in addition to the "system". I don't think recruits are persuaded by attitude unless you're going full on Mike Rice on your players.

But I'll bite, I don't think it has anything to do with the system either. If you're good, you get a **** ton of minutes and opportunities. The end of last season Cumberland and Evans had all the opportunity in the world to shine. Everybody isn't looking to play in the prettiest offensive system in the world, if they were, Kentucky would have worse recruits than us.

The collapse against Nevada makes me totally ambivalent about Cronin at UC. He has done a good job in many ways but has failed miserably in others. The next time he holds us up on a contract I say call his bluff. I doubt we will ever have a better roster than last year and again we failed at tournament time. I frankly do not care what Mick chooses for his future.

give up your season tickets! Wait, give up your will-call tix...

(10-14-2018 02:59 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  The collapse against Nevada makes me totally ambivalent about Cronin at UC. He has done a good job in many ways but has failed miserably in others. The next time he holds us up on a contract I say call his bluff. I doubt we will ever have a better roster than last year and again we failed at tournament time. I frankly do not care what Mick chooses for his future.

(10-14-2018 02:39 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-14-2018 10:19 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(10-13-2018 11:55 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 08:15 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  I am not going to go back and quote all of your posts. I believe you stated that Mick was not the one who lost the game, it was the players. That may be true, but Mick was the on that left Cumberland in with four fouls, Mick was the one who either did not, or could not utilize his timeouts to slow the run, or design a play to go inside, or calm his kids down. That was on Mick. Period. Mick loves to come up with excuses, and belittle his own fan base, with his petulant quotes about offense being for friends and family, and the Tournament is for recruiting, The X game is just another game, and all of the other BS he has spouted over the years. He does not get elite recruits because they don't want to play in his system or style. You don't think other coaches recruit against him because of that? Please. Mick does himself no favors with his failure to win in March and his childish attitude.

Dude, he's recruiting 18 year olds. They aren't deciding against us because of a press conference Mick had a few years ago or because of what he said about the Xavier game. They're going to base their decision on our recent success, what we've done for players and the campus/university itself. The players he's trying to persuade aren't 35 year old UC fans with beer guts who watch sports center religiously. They're high school kids... As far as Xavier goes, it is just a game. Sorry you give it some metaphysical power/significance over things, but I don't.

Dude, can you read? Not what I posted about recruiting. You are very good at twisting an argument though with your blathering nonsense.

Given that you're back and forth during the course of that paragraph, it's hard to tell if you're talking style and system exclusively or not. I mean,

Quote:. He does not get elite recruits because they don't want to play in his system or style. You don't think other coaches recruit against him because of that? Please. Mick does himself no favors with his failure to win in March and his childish attitude.

kind of makes it sound like you think his approach and his attitude about the program are somehow causing recruiting deficiencies in addition to the "system". I don't think recruits are persuaded by attitude unless you're going full on Mike Rice on your players.

But I'll bite, I don't think it has anything to do with the system either. If you're good, you get a **** ton of minutes and opportunities. The end of last season Cumberland and Evans had all the opportunity in the world to shine. Everybody isn't looking to play in the prettiest offensive system in the world, if they were, Kentucky would have worse recruits than us.

Recruits are persuaded by cred. Cred comes from March penetration. Mick has no cred. Mick does not get the blue chips. Program suffers.

Just win. First game is a must win. He wins that one and a lot of people will back off.

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(10-15-2018 11:29 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Just win. First game is a must win. He wins that one and a lot of people will back off.

It is not a must win but I agree that if we lose those clamoring for his exit will have more to clamor about.

(10-15-2018 06:37 PM)doss2 Wrote:  75-73

62-61 AAC Regular Season Champs @WSU

(10-15-2018 08:39 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  Recruits are persuaded by cred. Cred comes from March penetration. Mick has no cred. Mick does not get the blue chips. Program suffers.

Blue chips play in the NBA, blue chips don't give a flying **** about March. If they did, Ben Simmons wouldn't have gone to LSU. Johnny Jones, Will -whatever his name is and Trent Johnson before them have done butt **** nothing in March and they still have better recruiting classes than us the past few years. You know why? Because kids would rather go to LSU than UC. We aren't an NBA pipeline and we aren't a party school. Resign yourself to that fact sir...