2 decades off a 3-national-championships-in-4-years-dynasty, Nebraska blows a 10-point lead with 2 minutes left including a 99-yard drive to fall to 0-6 with a 10th straight loss.

Both are unprecedented in Nebraska’s 129-year history (1890).

(10-13-2018 10:46 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  2 decades off a 3-national-championships-in-4-years-dynasty, Nebraska blows a 10-point lead with 2 minutes left including a 99-yard drive to fall to 0-6 with a 10th straight loss.

Both are unprecedented in Nebraska’s 129-year history (1890).

Well Frost is working on his second perfect season. One perfectly good, the other perfectly awful.

I'm sure they could have maintained the mediocrity for many years to come, but if the goal is greatness... Sometimes you have to tear down before you can rebuild.

It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Dana Bible, who was one of the best coaches at Texas, Texas A&M and Nebraska, started off his Texas tenure 2-6-1 and then 1-8 as part of UT's only time to have 4 losing years in a row. 3 years later, his Texas team was #1 before a late season tie and upset loss. They were still the top ranked team in one or two of the computer polls that year. Before that they were going to be invited to the Rose Bowl, but the bowl officials were afraid they wouldn't make a good showing against the Pac champ, Oregon St. Texas won its final game against Oregon 71-7. Oregon had lost to Oregon St. the week before 12-7. Duke ended up being invited and that was the game that ended up being played in North Carolina because of Pearl Harbor.

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

I could accept this if I saw a shred of change in demographics, or for that matter any increase of love for football with the next generation. Neither of those things are there.

Nebraska had a tremendous walk on program in an era when every male with any aggressiveness at all played football. Football playing males are now in the minority of all males. So even for a small state the selection pool was much larger 40 years ago than it is today. Culturally speaking football just isn't as popular among generations below X'ers.

Nebraska also started their slide when the South finally ended segregation. In the 70's Nebraska was huge. About that time the South finally started integrating but that trend started with tokenism but was fully underway by the early 80's. Herschel and Bo marked the beginning of Southern domination of the sport. Schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma and some of the Big 10 power houses started to decline.

In the WWII era production was in the North and growth was in the North. In the 60's and 70's the only place African Americans could go to be stars was in the Midwest and North. So the Big 8 and Big 10 excelled. None of that is happening anymore. In fact the HBC schools thrived under Jim Crow. Not anymore.

So Badger there are many factors that indicate that Nebraska isn't coming back.
1. Extremely small state.
2. Decline in the percentage of local football playing males.
3. Flat to declining job opportunities.
4. Cultural shifts to full integration in the South which has depopulated their recruiting base.
5. A shift in interests by their youth away from football.
6. Economic growth in other regions of the country. Families flow to money.
7. Nothing exciting to the youth to do or see in Nebraska.
8. Not having won significantly at anything in the lifetime of today's recruits.
9. Loss of Southwestern recruiting roots.

When I see any of those trends shift back to Nebraska's favor then I'll reconsider. Right now Nebraska is a has been brand that nobody's buying. Like Sears today, they are a bankrupted brand where sports are concerned.

Ohio is a big state that still loves football. Texas is a massive state that still loves football. Either of those could suffer a protracted decline and return. Nebraska can't. And to compound their problem if Frost fails how many good young coaches will want to head to a program that since Solich has become a coach killer.

And I'm not being a hater. I'm just treating this subject like it was a used car and I'm the buyer. I've checked out the body integrity, the engine, the drivetrain, and the frame and I'm passing.

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

In general I would agree with you.

But, there should still be some, any, signs of life. There are none up there right now--none.

That's my concern for them and the direction of the team. There aren't any signs of coaching.

(10-15-2018 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

I could accept this if I saw a shred of change in demographics, or for that matter any increase of love for football with the next generation. Neither of those things are there.

Nebraska had a tremendous walk on program in an era when every male with any aggressiveness at all played football. Football playing males are now in the minority of all males. So even for a small state the selection pool was much larger 40 years ago than it is today. Culturally speaking football just isn't as popular among generations below X'ers.

Nebraska also started their slide when the South finally ended segregation. In the 70's Nebraska was huge. About that time the South finally started integrating but that trend started with tokenism but was fully underway by the early 80's. Herschel and Bo marked the beginning of Southern domination of the sport. Schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma and some of the Big 10 power houses started to decline.

In the WWII era production was in the North and growth was in the North. In the 60's and 70's the only place African Americans could go to be stars was in the Midwest and North. So the Big 8 and Big 10 excelled. None of that is happening anymore. In fact the HBC schools thrived under Jim Crow. Not anymore.

So Badger there are many factors that indicate that Nebraska isn't coming back.
1. Extremely small state.
2. Decline in the percentage of local football playing males.
3. Flat to declining job opportunities.
4. Cultural shifts to full integration in the South which has depopulated their recruiting base.
5. A shift in interests by their youth away from football.
6. Economic growth in other regions of the country. Families flow to money.
7. Nothing exciting to the youth to do or see in Nebraska.
8. Not having won significantly at anything in the lifetime of today's recruits.
9. Loss of Southwestern recruiting roots.

When I see any of those trends shift back to Nebraska's favor then I'll reconsider. Right now Nebraska is a has been brand that nobody's buying. Like Sears today, they are a bankrupted brand where sports are concerned.

Ohio is a big state that still loves football. Texas is a massive state that still loves football. Either of those could suffer a protracted decline and return. Nebraska can't. And to compound their problem if Frost fails how many good young coaches will want to head to a program that since Solich has become a coach killer.

And I'm not being a hater. I'm just treating this subject like it was a used car and I'm the buyer. I've checked out the body integrity, the engine, the drivetrain, and the frame and I'm passing.

Those are all excellent points.

I think it depends on what the definition of "being back" is. Do I think the Huskers will ever regain that status as a national power and perennial national title contender? No. There's realistically only about 20 schools who could contend every year, the rest are just competing for the best of the rest title. That being said, with a good recruiting program there's no reason Nebraska can't be in contention to win the B1G West every year and make it to a decent bowl game. The Huskers of old used to recruit nationally as well as in the south. I remember several coming from the Chicago area when I was living in Illinois at the time. A few inroads into areas like that and there's hope.

Yes, Nebraska isn't exactly Miami when it comes to things to do and places for recruits to enjoy life a bit, but there are schools that aren't exactly in garden spots that still to do OK recruiting.

To use your car analogy, Nebraska will never be the Ferrari of college football again, but there's no reason they can't be that reliable Ford Fusion that gets you where you need to go in decent comfort and with respectable efficiency.

But hey, I could be full if crap in my thinking. It could be some wishful thinking as well in hoping they can "get good" again to help the B1G's rep. Could also be not wanting to see that nice old house at then end of the block rot away and fall apart. It would be a shame.

(10-15-2018 12:06 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

I could accept this if I saw a shred of change in demographics, or for that matter any increase of love for football with the next generation. Neither of those things are there.

Nebraska had a tremendous walk on program in an era when every male with any aggressiveness at all played football. Football playing males are now in the minority of all males. So even for a small state the selection pool was much larger 40 years ago than it is today. Culturally speaking football just isn't as popular among generations below X'ers.

Nebraska also started their slide when the South finally ended segregation. In the 70's Nebraska was huge. About that time the South finally started integrating but that trend started with tokenism but was fully underway by the early 80's. Herschel and Bo marked the beginning of Southern domination of the sport. Schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma and some of the Big 10 power houses started to decline.

In the WWII era production was in the North and growth was in the North. In the 60's and 70's the only place African Americans could go to be stars was in the Midwest and North. So the Big 8 and Big 10 excelled. None of that is happening anymore. In fact the HBC schools thrived under Jim Crow. Not anymore.

So Badger there are many factors that indicate that Nebraska isn't coming back.
1. Extremely small state.
2. Decline in the percentage of local football playing males.
3. Flat to declining job opportunities.
4. Cultural shifts to full integration in the South which has depopulated their recruiting base.
5. A shift in interests by their youth away from football.
6. Economic growth in other regions of the country. Families flow to money.
7. Nothing exciting to the youth to do or see in Nebraska.
8. Not having won significantly at anything in the lifetime of today's recruits.
9. Loss of Southwestern recruiting roots.

When I see any of those trends shift back to Nebraska's favor then I'll reconsider. Right now Nebraska is a has been brand that nobody's buying. Like Sears today, they are a bankrupted brand where sports are concerned.

Ohio is a big state that still loves football. Texas is a massive state that still loves football. Either of those could suffer a protracted decline and return. Nebraska can't. And to compound their problem if Frost fails how many good young coaches will want to head to a program that since Solich has become a coach killer.

And I'm not being a hater. I'm just treating this subject like it was a used car and I'm the buyer. I've checked out the body integrity, the engine, the drivetrain, and the frame and I'm passing.

Those are all excellent points.

I think it depends on what the definition of "being back" is. Do I think the Huskers will ever regain that status as a national power and perennial national title contender? No. There's realistically only about 20 schools who could contend every year, the rest are just competing for the best of the rest title. That being said, with a good recruiting program there's no reason Nebraska can't be in contention to win the B1G West every year and make it to a decent bowl game. The Huskers of old used to recruit nationally as well as in the south. I remember several coming from the Chicago area when I was living in Illinois at the time. A few inroads into areas like that and there's hope.

Yes, Nebraska isn't exactly Miami when it comes to things to do and places for recruits to enjoy life a bit, but there are schools that aren't exactly in garden spots that still to do OK recruiting.

To use your car analogy, Nebraska will never be the Ferrari of college football again, but there's no reason they can't be that reliable Ford Fusion that gets you where you need to go in decent comfort and with respectable efficiency.

But hey, I could be full if crap in my thinking. It could be some wishful thinking as well in hoping they can "get good" again to help the B1G's rep. Could also be not wanting to see that nice old house at then end of the block rot away and fall apart. It would be a shame.

That's okay. I would submit that what Nebraska was under Solich is probably their new high water mark. At best they should compete with Iowa. There are 3 ways of looking at everything and you have heard of two of them all of your life. There's the glass half full and the glass half empty. Neither are anything but projections of our own take on life. Either perception could be equally true. The third that I've observed is what I call the group that doesn't see the water level but rather complains about a dirty glass. Nebraska is falling into that category. And I'm not saying they are a dirty program at all. With this analogy I'm referring to a certain level of negativity that is beginning to dismiss mere optimism and pessimism which means they aren't focused on objectives (the water) and are only zeroed in on the entity (the glass) which they no longer find to their liking. This kind of situation yields another kind of inertia that is very difficult to overcome. They had a run of championships. They reached this low because they couldn't celebrate a glass 3/4's full. They despised a glass half full, and now they are tired of looking at the glass.

If I'm correct attendance will become a negative indicator shortly. As the dedicated old folks die out, as they have in churches, filling the seats is going to get very difficult.

I've seen the negativism with Alabama folks in the past. The difference is Alabama never got this far removed from a title, never lacked for recruits in the High School football hotbed of the country, and the state has slowly been growing financially.

I'd say that Texas fans are just now coming out of such a funk and they are where Alabama fans were in Saban's first year. But both groups were so accustomed to success that anything less than stellar success was a negative. Nebraska hit that low 20 years ago, and has done nothing but sink lower.

BTW: I like old houses too. But sometimes the foundation is rotten and they simply can't be saved. It just irks me when some characterless, looks like every other house, home is built in their place. I like for houses to be as unique as the people that live in them.

I do think that there is a bit of optimism in your assessment, but then without it too much of life would be tedious. I can look at your old rusted hulk of a Packard and hope you can restore it to something beautiful, but that doesn't mean I would risk my income to make it happen.

Firing Solich was a monumental mistake.

If Frost is unable to turn things around in, at most, 3 years, then I think Nebraska should start looking for a gimmick like Georgia Tech - some form of triple option to level the playing field.

(10-15-2018 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

I could accept this if I saw a shred of change in demographics, or for that matter any increase of love for football with the next generation. Neither of those things are there.

Nebraska had a tremendous walk on program in an era when every male with any aggressiveness at all played football. Football playing males are now in the minority of all males. So even for a small state the selection pool was much larger 40 years ago than it is today. Culturally speaking football just isn't as popular among generations below X'ers.

Nebraska also started their slide when the South finally ended segregation. In the 70's Nebraska was huge. About that time the South finally started integrating but that trend started with tokenism but was fully underway by the early 80's. Herschel and Bo marked the beginning of Southern domination of the sport. Schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma and some of the Big 10 power houses started to decline.

In the WWII era production was in the North and growth was in the North. In the 60's and 70's the only place African Americans could go to be stars was in the Midwest and North. So the Big 8 and Big 10 excelled. None of that is happening anymore. In fact the HBC schools thrived under Jim Crow. Not anymore.

So Badger there are many factors that indicate that Nebraska isn't coming back.
1. Extremely small state.
2. Decline in the percentage of local football playing males.
3. Flat to declining job opportunities.
4. Cultural shifts to full integration in the South which has depopulated their recruiting base.
5. A shift in interests by their youth away from football.
6. Economic growth in other regions of the country. Families flow to money.
7. Nothing exciting to the youth to do or see in Nebraska.
8. Not having won significantly at anything in the lifetime of today's recruits.
9. Loss of Southwestern recruiting roots.

When I see any of those trends shift back to Nebraska's favor then I'll reconsider. Right now Nebraska is a has been brand that nobody's buying. Like Sears today, they are a bankrupted brand where sports are concerned.

Ohio is a big state that still loves football. Texas is a massive state that still loves football. Either of those could suffer a protracted decline and return. Nebraska can't. And to compound their problem if Frost fails how many good young coaches will want to head to a program that since Solich has become a coach killer.

And I'm not being a hater. I'm just treating this subject like it was a used car and I'm the buyer. I've checked out the body integrity, the engine, the drivetrain, and the frame and I'm passing.

1. Its a small state, but Nebraska fans dominate a large area beyond Nebraska.
3.&6. Nebraska is pretty healthy economically.
2.&5. apply to everyone.
4. Perhaps the best college football team of all time was Nebraska 95. That was long past integration.

They've lost the SW recruiting base. But they could go back to the national recruiting they did before. There is room to raid California. They might get some Florida kids. And, of course, they can work the midwest for their linemen. The large fan base gives them an opportunity to come back. It creates excitement when the recruits visit.

So I don't think its time to view them as the next Minnesota. That's possible, but then they aren't competing with the pros.

The problem for Nebraska is they don't have a safe harbor recruiting base where they can get stud players simply by being the local P5.

Nebraska has built some truly great teams by being able to go into a kid's house and say, "We are from Nebraska, and we might want to offer you after we've looked a few more guys."

For Nebraska to return to being Nebraska they have to produce results. Kids knew they could go to Nebraska and the coaches would help develop them into NFL prospects and along the way they'd win a bunch of games, collect some rings, and maybe win a national title.

The 'Huskers have to re-establish that to be the Nebraska I grew up with.

(10-15-2018 03:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

I could accept this if I saw a shred of change in demographics, or for that matter any increase of love for football with the next generation. Neither of those things are there.

Nebraska had a tremendous walk on program in an era when every male with any aggressiveness at all played football. Football playing males are now in the minority of all males. So even for a small state the selection pool was much larger 40 years ago than it is today. Culturally speaking football just isn't as popular among generations below X'ers.

Nebraska also started their slide when the South finally ended segregation. In the 70's Nebraska was huge. About that time the South finally started integrating but that trend started with tokenism but was fully underway by the early 80's. Herschel and Bo marked the beginning of Southern domination of the sport. Schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma and some of the Big 10 power houses started to decline.

In the WWII era production was in the North and growth was in the North. In the 60's and 70's the only place African Americans could go to be stars was in the Midwest and North. So the Big 8 and Big 10 excelled. None of that is happening anymore. In fact the HBC schools thrived under Jim Crow. Not anymore.

So Badger there are many factors that indicate that Nebraska isn't coming back.
1. Extremely small state.
2. Decline in the percentage of local football playing males.
3. Flat to declining job opportunities.
4. Cultural shifts to full integration in the South which has depopulated their recruiting base.
5. A shift in interests by their youth away from football.
6. Economic growth in other regions of the country. Families flow to money.
7. Nothing exciting to the youth to do or see in Nebraska.
8. Not having won significantly at anything in the lifetime of today's recruits.
9. Loss of Southwestern recruiting roots.

When I see any of those trends shift back to Nebraska's favor then I'll reconsider. Right now Nebraska is a has been brand that nobody's buying. Like Sears today, they are a bankrupted brand where sports are concerned.

Ohio is a big state that still loves football. Texas is a massive state that still loves football. Either of those could suffer a protracted decline and return. Nebraska can't. And to compound their problem if Frost fails how many good young coaches will want to head to a program that since Solich has become a coach killer.

And I'm not being a hater. I'm just treating this subject like it was a used car and I'm the buyer. I've checked out the body integrity, the engine, the drivetrain, and the frame and I'm passing.

1. Its a small state, but Nebraska fans dominate a large area beyond Nebraska.
3.&6. Nebraska is pretty healthy economically.
2.&5. apply to everyone.
4. Perhaps the best college football team of all time was Nebraska 95. That was long past integration.

They've lost the SW recruiting base. But they could go back to the national recruiting they did before. There is room to raid California. They might get some Florida kids. And, of course, they can work the midwest for their linemen. The large fan base gives them an opportunity to come back. It creates excitement when the recruits visit.

So I don't think its time to view them as the next Minnesota. That's possible, but then they aren't competing with the pros.

It's tough to recruit nationally when you aren't winning.
And it's getting harder and harder to get "air" time. The Texas v. Oklahoma game was not shown in my market, instead we got Pitt v. Syracuse. If you can't win, you can't get on TV, if you can't get on TV recruiting nationally is not easy to do.
There are fewer and fewer "national" programs and what we do have are schools that ESPN has chosen.
Watching Clemson busing players around the stadium so they can run down the hill and touch Howard's rock has helped create their shtick, just like watching Virginia Tech players enter to Enter Sandman.










The successors have been chosen......Texas will survive because of their relationship with the "mouse", Clemson, Virginia Tech, The Turnover Chain, Alabama, A&M, waiting on Tennessee, Notre Dame (ESPN has at least 5 games a year).
Just look who is out: Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Nebraska.....all non-ESPN teams.
Bottom line....Nebraska has a long term problem.

(10-15-2018 03:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

I could accept this if I saw a shred of change in demographics, or for that matter any increase of love for football with the next generation. Neither of those things are there.

Nebraska had a tremendous walk on program in an era when every male with any aggressiveness at all played football. Football playing males are now in the minority of all males. So even for a small state the selection pool was much larger 40 years ago than it is today. Culturally speaking football just isn't as popular among generations below X'ers.

Nebraska also started their slide when the South finally ended segregation. In the 70's Nebraska was huge. About that time the South finally started integrating but that trend started with tokenism but was fully underway by the early 80's. Herschel and Bo marked the beginning of Southern domination of the sport. Schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma and some of the Big 10 power houses started to decline.

In the WWII era production was in the North and growth was in the North. In the 60's and 70's the only place African Americans could go to be stars was in the Midwest and North. So the Big 8 and Big 10 excelled. None of that is happening anymore. In fact the HBC schools thrived under Jim Crow. Not anymore.

So Badger there are many factors that indicate that Nebraska isn't coming back.
1. Extremely small state.
2. Decline in the percentage of local football playing males.
3. Flat to declining job opportunities.
4. Cultural shifts to full integration in the South which has depopulated their recruiting base.
5. A shift in interests by their youth away from football.
6. Economic growth in other regions of the country. Families flow to money.
7. Nothing exciting to the youth to do or see in Nebraska.
8. Not having won significantly at anything in the lifetime of today's recruits.
9. Loss of Southwestern recruiting roots.

When I see any of those trends shift back to Nebraska's favor then I'll reconsider. Right now Nebraska is a has been brand that nobody's buying. Like Sears today, they are a bankrupted brand where sports are concerned.

Ohio is a big state that still loves football. Texas is a massive state that still loves football. Either of those could suffer a protracted decline and return. Nebraska can't. And to compound their problem if Frost fails how many good young coaches will want to head to a program that since Solich has become a coach killer.

And I'm not being a hater. I'm just treating this subject like it was a used car and I'm the buyer. I've checked out the body integrity, the engine, the drivetrain, and the frame and I'm passing.

1. Its a small state, but Nebraska fans dominate a large area beyond Nebraska.
3.&6. Nebraska is pretty healthy economically.
2.&5. apply to everyone.
4. Perhaps the best college football team of all time was Nebraska 95. That was long past integration.

They've lost the SW recruiting base. But they could go back to the national recruiting they did before. There is room to raid California. They might get some Florida kids. And, of course, they can work the midwest for their linemen. The large fan base gives them an opportunity to come back. It creates excitement when the recruits visit.

So I don't think its time to view them as the next Minnesota. That's possible, but then they aren't competing with the pros.

It's tough to recruit nationally when you aren't winning.
And it's getting harder and harder to get "air" time. The Texas v. Oklahoma game was not shown in my market, instead we got Pitt v. Syracuse. If you can't win, you can't get on TV, if you can't get on TV recruiting nationally is not easy to do.
There are fewer and fewer "national" programs and what we do have are schools that ESPN has chosen.
Watching Clemson busing players around the stadium so they can run down the hill and touch Howard's rock has helped create their shtick, just like watching Virginia Tech players enter to Enter Sandman.










The successors have been chosen......Texas will survive because of their relationship with the "mouse", Clemson, Virginia Tech, The Turnover Chain, Alabama, A&M, waiting on Tennessee, Notre Dame (ESPN has at least 5 games a year).
Just look who is out: Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Nebraska.....all non-ESPN teams.
Bottom line....Nebraska has a long term problem.

I have some profound doubts about the Turnover Chain, and Enter Sandman didn't help the Hokies. Cool traditions are great, like the Eagle flying around Jordan-Hare, but if you QB consistently turns the ball over, or you just plain stink, you could split ears with decibels at the entry to a game and it won't make a hill of beans worth of difference. Winning is what counts. Howard's rock didn't save Clemson from wandering in the wilderness for a couple of decades, winning did.

As an old line football fan I say traditions are fine for building memories, but winning and doing it consistently is the only formula for success. The Mouse can hype the hype, but they don't block and tackle. So as the Trump folks say, "Fake News!" Championships are won on the fields, not in the commercials.

(10-15-2018 04:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

I could accept this if I saw a shred of change in demographics, or for that matter any increase of love for football with the next generation. Neither of those things are there.

Nebraska had a tremendous walk on program in an era when every male with any aggressiveness at all played football. Football playing males are now in the minority of all males. So even for a small state the selection pool was much larger 40 years ago than it is today. Culturally speaking football just isn't as popular among generations below X'ers.

Nebraska also started their slide when the South finally ended segregation. In the 70's Nebraska was huge. About that time the South finally started integrating but that trend started with tokenism but was fully underway by the early 80's. Herschel and Bo marked the beginning of Southern domination of the sport. Schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma and some of the Big 10 power houses started to decline.

In the WWII era production was in the North and growth was in the North. In the 60's and 70's the only place African Americans could go to be stars was in the Midwest and North. So the Big 8 and Big 10 excelled. None of that is happening anymore. In fact the HBC schools thrived under Jim Crow. Not anymore.

So Badger there are many factors that indicate that Nebraska isn't coming back.
1. Extremely small state.
2. Decline in the percentage of local football playing males.
3. Flat to declining job opportunities.
4. Cultural shifts to full integration in the South which has depopulated their recruiting base.
5. A shift in interests by their youth away from football.
6. Economic growth in other regions of the country. Families flow to money.
7. Nothing exciting to the youth to do or see in Nebraska.
8. Not having won significantly at anything in the lifetime of today's recruits.
9. Loss of Southwestern recruiting roots.

When I see any of those trends shift back to Nebraska's favor then I'll reconsider. Right now Nebraska is a has been brand that nobody's buying. Like Sears today, they are a bankrupted brand where sports are concerned.

Ohio is a big state that still loves football. Texas is a massive state that still loves football. Either of those could suffer a protracted decline and return. Nebraska can't. And to compound their problem if Frost fails how many good young coaches will want to head to a program that since Solich has become a coach killer.

And I'm not being a hater. I'm just treating this subject like it was a used car and I'm the buyer. I've checked out the body integrity, the engine, the drivetrain, and the frame and I'm passing.

1. Its a small state, but Nebraska fans dominate a large area beyond Nebraska.
3.&6. Nebraska is pretty healthy economically.
2.&5. apply to everyone.
4. Perhaps the best college football team of all time was Nebraska 95. That was long past integration.

They've lost the SW recruiting base. But they could go back to the national recruiting they did before. There is room to raid California. They might get some Florida kids. And, of course, they can work the midwest for their linemen. The large fan base gives them an opportunity to come back. It creates excitement when the recruits visit.

So I don't think its time to view them as the next Minnesota. That's possible, but then they aren't competing with the pros.

It's tough to recruit nationally when you aren't winning.
And it's getting harder and harder to get "air" time. The Texas v. Oklahoma game was not shown in my market, instead we got Pitt v. Syracuse. If you can't win, you can't get on TV, if you can't get on TV recruiting nationally is not easy to do.
There are fewer and fewer "national" programs and what we do have are schools that ESPN has chosen.
Watching Clemson busing players around the stadium so they can run down the hill and touch Howard's rock has helped create their shtick, just like watching Virginia Tech players enter to Enter Sandman.










The successors have been chosen......Texas will survive because of their relationship with the "mouse", Clemson, Virginia Tech, The Turnover Chain, Alabama, A&M, waiting on Tennessee, Notre Dame (ESPN has at least 5 games a year).
Just look who is out: Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Nebraska.....all non-ESPN teams.
Bottom line....Nebraska has a long term problem.

I have some profound doubts about the Turnover Chain, and Enter Sandman didn't help the Hokies. Cool traditions are great, like the Eagle flying around Jordan-Hare, but if you QB consistently turns the ball over, or you just plain stink, you could split ears with decibels at the entry to a game and it won't make a hill of beans worth of difference. Winning is what counts. Howard's rock didn't save Clemson from wandering in the wilderness for a couple of decades, winning did.

As an old line football fan I say traditions are fine for building memories, but winning and doing it consistently is the only formula for success. The Mouse can hype the hype, but they don't block and tackle. So as the Trump folks say, "Fake News!" Championships are won on the fields, not in the commercials.

Paul Chryst said it best!

(10-15-2018 03:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 07:38 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a dumpster fire of epic proportions.

Truth be told, I don't see how a coach recovers from that. A downturn with some bright sports or even just some bright spots is indicative of some movement in the right direction and a good coach will have that. But, a total collapse? There isn't anything positive going on with Nebraska right now.

Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

I could accept this if I saw a shred of change in demographics, or for that matter any increase of love for football with the next generation. Neither of those things are there.

Nebraska had a tremendous walk on program in an era when every male with any aggressiveness at all played football. Football playing males are now in the minority of all males. So even for a small state the selection pool was much larger 40 years ago than it is today. Culturally speaking football just isn't as popular among generations below X'ers.

Nebraska also started their slide when the South finally ended segregation. In the 70's Nebraska was huge. About that time the South finally started integrating but that trend started with tokenism but was fully underway by the early 80's. Herschel and Bo marked the beginning of Southern domination of the sport. Schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma and some of the Big 10 power houses started to decline.

In the WWII era production was in the North and growth was in the North. In the 60's and 70's the only place African Americans could go to be stars was in the Midwest and North. So the Big 8 and Big 10 excelled. None of that is happening anymore. In fact the HBC schools thrived under Jim Crow. Not anymore.

So Badger there are many factors that indicate that Nebraska isn't coming back.
1. Extremely small state.
2. Decline in the percentage of local football playing males.
3. Flat to declining job opportunities.
4. Cultural shifts to full integration in the South which has depopulated their recruiting base.
5. A shift in interests by their youth away from football.
6. Economic growth in other regions of the country. Families flow to money.
7. Nothing exciting to the youth to do or see in Nebraska.
8. Not having won significantly at anything in the lifetime of today's recruits.
9. Loss of Southwestern recruiting roots.

When I see any of those trends shift back to Nebraska's favor then I'll reconsider. Right now Nebraska is a has been brand that nobody's buying. Like Sears today, they are a bankrupted brand where sports are concerned.

Ohio is a big state that still loves football. Texas is a massive state that still loves football. Either of those could suffer a protracted decline and return. Nebraska can't. And to compound their problem if Frost fails how many good young coaches will want to head to a program that since Solich has become a coach killer.

And I'm not being a hater. I'm just treating this subject like it was a used car and I'm the buyer. I've checked out the body integrity, the engine, the drivetrain, and the frame and I'm passing.

1. Its a small state, but Nebraska fans dominate a large area beyond Nebraska.
3.&6. Nebraska is pretty healthy economically.
2.&5. apply to everyone.
4. Perhaps the best college football team of all time was Nebraska 95. That was long past integration.

They've lost the SW recruiting base. But they could go back to the national recruiting they did before. There is room to raid California. They might get some Florida kids. And, of course, they can work the midwest for their linemen. The large fan base gives them an opportunity to come back. It creates excitement when the recruits visit.

So I don't think its time to view them as the next Minnesota. That's possible, but then they aren't competing with the pros.

It's tough to recruit nationally when you aren't winning.
And it's getting harder and harder to get "air" time. The Texas v. Oklahoma game was not shown in my market, instead we got Pitt v. Syracuse. If you can't win, you can't get on TV, if you can't get on TV recruiting nationally is not easy to do.
There are fewer and fewer "national" programs and what we do have are schools that ESPN has chosen.
Watching Clemson busing players around the stadium so they can run down the hill and touch Howard's rock has helped create their shtick, just like watching Virginia Tech players enter to Enter Sandman.










The successors have been chosen......Texas will survive because of their relationship with the "mouse", Clemson, Virginia Tech, The Turnover Chain, Alabama, A&M, waiting on Tennessee, Notre Dame (ESPN has at least 5 games a year).
Just look who is out: Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Nebraska.....all non-ESPN teams.
Bottom line....Nebraska has a long term problem.

Texas-OU was on Fox and was shown nationally. It was not on ESPN. It was the top rated game of the day, which is pretty unusual for Fox.

(10-15-2018 09:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:10 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  Yes, as of right now it it a dumpster fire, but as been said, sometimes you need to tear the whole thing down in order to rebuild with a solid foundation. That building takes time, some longer than others.

Give Frost a chance to recruit and get a couple classes of HIS guys in, they'll be OK.

I could accept this if I saw a shred of change in demographics, or for that matter any increase of love for football with the next generation. Neither of those things are there.

Nebraska had a tremendous walk on program in an era when every male with any aggressiveness at all played football. Football playing males are now in the minority of all males. So even for a small state the selection pool was much larger 40 years ago than it is today. Culturally speaking football just isn't as popular among generations below X'ers.

Nebraska also started their slide when the South finally ended segregation. In the 70's Nebraska was huge. About that time the South finally started integrating but that trend started with tokenism but was fully underway by the early 80's. Herschel and Bo marked the beginning of Southern domination of the sport. Schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma and some of the Big 10 power houses started to decline.

In the WWII era production was in the North and growth was in the North. In the 60's and 70's the only place African Americans could go to be stars was in the Midwest and North. So the Big 8 and Big 10 excelled. None of that is happening anymore. In fact the HBC schools thrived under Jim Crow. Not anymore.

So Badger there are many factors that indicate that Nebraska isn't coming back.
1. Extremely small state.
2. Decline in the percentage of local football playing males.
3. Flat to declining job opportunities.
4. Cultural shifts to full integration in the South which has depopulated their recruiting base.
5. A shift in interests by their youth away from football.
6. Economic growth in other regions of the country. Families flow to money.
7. Nothing exciting to the youth to do or see in Nebraska.
8. Not having won significantly at anything in the lifetime of today's recruits.
9. Loss of Southwestern recruiting roots.

When I see any of those trends shift back to Nebraska's favor then I'll reconsider. Right now Nebraska is a has been brand that nobody's buying. Like Sears today, they are a bankrupted brand where sports are concerned.

Ohio is a big state that still loves football. Texas is a massive state that still loves football. Either of those could suffer a protracted decline and return. Nebraska can't. And to compound their problem if Frost fails how many good young coaches will want to head to a program that since Solich has become a coach killer.

And I'm not being a hater. I'm just treating this subject like it was a used car and I'm the buyer. I've checked out the body integrity, the engine, the drivetrain, and the frame and I'm passing.

1. Its a small state, but Nebraska fans dominate a large area beyond Nebraska.
3.&6. Nebraska is pretty healthy economically.
2.&5. apply to everyone.
4. Perhaps the best college football team of all time was Nebraska 95. That was long past integration.

They've lost the SW recruiting base. But they could go back to the national recruiting they did before. There is room to raid California. They might get some Florida kids. And, of course, they can work the midwest for their linemen. The large fan base gives them an opportunity to come back. It creates excitement when the recruits visit.

So I don't think its time to view them as the next Minnesota. That's possible, but then they aren't competing with the pros.

It's tough to recruit nationally when you aren't winning.
And it's getting harder and harder to get "air" time. The Texas v. Oklahoma game was not shown in my market, instead we got Pitt v. Syracuse. If you can't win, you can't get on TV, if you can't get on TV recruiting nationally is not easy to do.
There are fewer and fewer "national" programs and what we do have are schools that ESPN has chosen.
Watching Clemson busing players around the stadium so they can run down the hill and touch Howard's rock has helped create their shtick, just like watching Virginia Tech players enter to Enter Sandman.










The successors have been chosen......Texas will survive because of their relationship with the "mouse", Clemson, Virginia Tech, The Turnover Chain, Alabama, A&M, waiting on Tennessee, Notre Dame (ESPN has at least 5 games a year).
Just look who is out: Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Nebraska.....all non-ESPN teams.
Bottom line....Nebraska has a long term problem.

Texas-OU was on Fox and was shown nationally. It was not on ESPN. It was the top rated game of the day, which is pretty unusual for Fox.

The local FOX station in my market (Greensboro, High Point, Winston-Salem) did not broadcast the Texas/Oklahoma game. The station purchased an ACC game from RayCom. I was disappointed, I wanted to see the game.

(10-15-2018 03:40 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The problem for Nebraska is they don't have a safe harbor recruiting base where they can get stud players simply by being the local P5.

Nebraska has built some truly great teams by being able to go into a kid's house and say, "We are from Nebraska, and we might want to offer you after we've looked a few more guys."

For Nebraska to return to being Nebraska they have to produce results. Kids knew they could go to Nebraska and the coaches would help develop them into NFL prospects and along the way they'd win a bunch of games, collect some rings, and maybe win a national title.

The 'Huskers have to re-establish that to be the Nebraska I grew up with.

They are going to have to adopt some of K-State's strategy and recruit JUCO players heavily.

They are in a better spot than K-State to get in-state talent, such as it is. But, they won't be competing for national championships or much of anything based purely on the in-state talent.

(10-16-2018 08:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 03:40 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The problem for Nebraska is they don't have a safe harbor recruiting base where they can get stud players simply by being the local P5.

Nebraska has built some truly great teams by being able to go into a kid's house and say, "We are from Nebraska, and we might want to offer you after we've looked a few more guys."

For Nebraska to return to being Nebraska they have to produce results. Kids knew they could go to Nebraska and the coaches would help develop them into NFL prospects and along the way they'd win a bunch of games, collect some rings, and maybe win a national title.

The 'Huskers have to re-establish that to be the Nebraska I grew up with.

They are going to have to adopt some of K-State's strategy and recruit JUCO players heavily.

They are in a better spot than K-State to get in-state talent, such as it is. But, they won't be competing for national championships or much of anything based purely on the in-state talent.

That's a prefect example. If recruits will go to Manhattan Kansas, they'll go to Lincoln Nebraska.

If the Huskers ever want to get back to winning or at least being competitive, they need to identify players they can ACTUALLY get and try and mold a system around those types of players.

Get some of those big ol' Dakota farm boys to play the line, recruit some JUCO transfers for some skilled positions, and try and fill in the blanks with other area recruits.

I think if they were at least competitive, the fans would still back them 100%.