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Lindenwood Announces They Will Leave MIAA to GLVC July 1st 2019

Updating to reflect Lindenwood switching conference.
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That puts the GLVC at 16, and solidly with St. Louis as the center
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MIAA drops to 12, and loses it's far most eastern member
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(10-05-2018 05:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lindenwood Announces They Will Leave MIAA to GLVC July 1st 2019

Updating to reflect Lindenwood switching conference.

So they’re in no hurry to go D1
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(10-05-2018 07:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  That puts the GLVC at 16, and solidly with St. Louis as the center


I think Lindenwood got the invite since Benedictine decided to stay in D3.

MIAA could lose both Oklahoma schools to GAC. The state leaders of education would want an D2 all Oklahoma conference, and the GAC would be close enough.
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(10-05-2018 11:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-05-2018 07:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  That puts the GLVC at 16, and solidly with St. Louis as the center


I think Lindenwood got the invite since Benedictine decided to stay in D3.

MIAA could lose both Oklahoma schools to GAC. The state leaders of education would want an D2 all Oklahoma conference, and the GAC would be close enough.

Don't start that "new OIC" mess again; it's not happening. The GAC will not take Northeastern State because NSU does not have 2 sports the GAC requires.
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(10-05-2018 11:39 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(10-05-2018 11:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-05-2018 07:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  That puts the GLVC at 16, and solidly with St. Louis as the center


I think Lindenwood got the invite since Benedictine decided to stay in D3.

MIAA could lose both Oklahoma schools to GAC. The state leaders of education would want an D2 all Oklahoma conference, and the GAC would be close enough.

Don't start that "new OIC" mess again; it's not happening. The GAC will not take Northeastern State because NSU does not have 2 sports the GAC requires.

Berry Tramel, lead sports columnist from The Oklahoman, did a series a couple of months back on the OKC metro schools and how conference/division realignment has impacted them. The articles were (maybe still are) behind a pay wall. He writes of UCO's new facilities and their attempts to keep up in the MIAA. Nothing is mentioned of either a move to FCS or a move to the GAC. I will say that those facilities look great for a D-II school. I don't think UCO spent all that money on facilities to move to the GAC. Yes, they are a state school, and state schools in OK are struggling, but UCO is so much bigger than their counterparts in OK. They're trying to win in the MIAA. In my opinion, I think they would consider the GAC a step down. The article is below:

https://newsok.com/article/5605176/new-f...tough-miaa

What two sports does the GAC require that NSU does not offer? According to Wikipedia, all 12 GAC schools sponsor football, men's basketball, baseball, volleyball, women's basketball, and women's cross country. As I looked at NSU's athletics website, they offer all of those except volleyball and women's cross country.

I don't have documentation, but the scuttlebutt on the MIAA board is that NSU wants out, but can't afford the buyout. I'm not sure if that's true. I'm sure they'd like to be in the GAC if invited.
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(10-06-2018 12:22 AM)johnintx Wrote:  
(10-05-2018 11:39 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(10-05-2018 11:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-05-2018 07:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  That puts the GLVC at 16, and solidly with St. Louis as the center


I think Lindenwood got the invite since Benedictine decided to stay in D3.

MIAA could lose both Oklahoma schools to GAC. The state leaders of education would want an D2 all Oklahoma conference, and the GAC would be close enough.

Don't start that "new OIC" mess again; it's not happening. The GAC will not take Northeastern State because NSU does not have 2 sports the GAC requires.

Berry Tramel, lead sports columnist from The Oklahoman, did a series a couple of months back on the OKC metro schools and how conference/division realignment has impacted them. The articles were (maybe still are) behind a pay wall. He writes of UCO's new facilities and their attempts to keep up in the MIAA. Nothing is mentioned of either a move to FCS or a move to the GAC. I will say that those facilities look great for a D-II school. I don't think UCO spent all that money on facilities to move to the GAC. Yes, they are a state school, and state schools in OK are struggling, but UCO is so much bigger than their counterparts in OK. They're trying to win in the MIAA. In my opinion, I think they would consider the GAC a step down. The article is below:

https://newsok.com/article/5605176/new-f...tough-miaa

What two sports does the GAC require that NSU does not offer? According to Wikipedia, all 12 GAC schools sponsor football, men's basketball, baseball, volleyball, women's basketball, and women's cross country. As I looked at NSU's athletics website, they offer all of those except volleyball and women's cross country.

I don't have documentation, but the scuttlebutt on the MIAA board is that NSU wants out, but can't afford the buyout. I'm not sure if that's true. I'm sure they'd like to be in the GAC if invited.

That article seems to confirm that Central Oklahoma is very committed to being a top MIAA member.

You pretty much answered your own question. The GAC required sports are: Men - Baseball, Basketball, Football; Women - Basketball, Cross Country, Volleyball, GAC-sponsored Spring Sport. Softball was originally required (maybe still is but unwritten) and was replaced by the generic spring sport requirement. Yes, it is women's cross country and volleyball that NSU would need to add if they were to join the GAC. Northeastern State did have a town hall meeting in April 2017 about athletics.

http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/sports/no...a2ca9.html

It kind of looks like NSU is stuck in the MIAA. If they can't afford the MIAA buyout, how would they afford the costs of two new teams and move to the GAC? Or, they could follow UCO's example and use that money for improved facilities that will attract better athletes.
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So is LIU-Post dropping their sports? If so is LIU-Brooklyn going to take their football team?
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(10-06-2018 03:14 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So is LIU-Post dropping their sports? If so is LIU-Brooklyn going to take their football team?



The 2 schools are merging the sports. Nothing will be dropped.
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(10-06-2018 03:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-06-2018 03:14 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So is LIU-Post dropping their sports? If so is LIU-Brooklyn going to take their football team?



The 2 schools are merging the sports. Nothing will be dropped.

Duplicate sports are being dropped


Football and other outdoor sports will be computed on the post campus most indoor sports will be completed at the Brooklyn campus
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(10-06-2018 02:10 AM)AZcats Wrote:  That article seems to confirm that Central Oklahoma is very committed to being a top MIAA member.

You pretty much answered your own question. The GAC required sports are: Men - Baseball, Basketball, Football; Women - Basketball, Cross Country, Volleyball, GAC-sponsored Spring Sport. Softball was originally required (maybe still is but unwritten) and was replaced by the generic spring sport requirement. Yes, it is women's cross country and volleyball that NSU would need to add if they were to join the GAC. Northeastern State did have a town hall meeting in April 2017 about athletics.

http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/sports/no...a2ca9.html

It kind of looks like NSU is stuck in the MIAA. If they can't afford the MIAA buyout, how would they afford the costs of two new teams and move to the GAC? Or, they could follow UCO's example and use that money for improved facilities that will attract better athletes.

Thanks for the info! I couldn't remember the details.

I remember their town hall meeting, but I didn't remember details on the buyout. Yes, that's an expensive buyout. I don't know if the MIAA would be willing to negotiate it down, but they would still have to come up with the money to add two new sports to join the GAC. Their travel expenses would go down in the GAC, but probably not enough to pay a buyout and add two sports. It looks like they're stuck. That's sad, because NSU was traditionally a football power in the OIC, and won a NC in men's basketball from the Lone Star. And, with their location and institutional profile, they fit. Like with the other OK public schools, $$$ is an issue. They can't afford to make the move.

The GAC has a good thing going: 12 schools in 2 states, with 4 public and 2 private schools from each state; and a definite number of required sports. There are schools that don't want to repeat their experiences in previous conferences. I believe they'll think long and hard before expanding again.
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Northwest Oklahoma State is way out by themselves. I would not be surprise that they will move back down to the NAIA.
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(10-06-2018 03:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northwest Oklahoma State is way out by themselves. I would not be surprise that they will move back down to the NAIA.

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(10-07-2018 01:58 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(10-06-2018 03:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northwest Oklahoma State is way out by themselves. I would not be surprise that they will move back down to the NAIA.

This post needs to be moved to the fantasy section.

Why is that? Of all the D2 moves in the last 10 years, NWOSU is one of a handful that I think could move back. D2 never made sense for them in the first place.
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(10-07-2018 09:49 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 01:58 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(10-06-2018 03:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northwest Oklahoma State is way out by themselves. I would not be surprise that they will move back down to the NAIA.

This post needs to be moved to the fantasy section.

Why is that? Of all the D2 moves in the last 10 years, NWOSU is one of a handful that I think could move back. D2 never made sense for them in the first place.

They are a public school with only 2300 enrollment. The NCAA denied them the move up to D2 once before.
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(10-07-2018 09:56 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 09:49 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 01:58 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(10-06-2018 03:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northwest Oklahoma State is way out by themselves. I would not be surprise that they will move back down to the NAIA.

This post needs to be moved to the fantasy section.

Why is that? Of all the D2 moves in the last 10 years, NWOSU is one of a handful that I think could move back. D2 never made sense for them in the first place.

They are a public school with only 2300 enrollment. The NCAA denied them the move up to D2 once before.

NWOSU has been a full D2 member for all of 3 years and has shown improvement each year. Don't be so quick to judge.
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(10-07-2018 07:16 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 09:56 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 09:49 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 01:58 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(10-06-2018 03:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northwest Oklahoma State is way out by themselves. I would not be surprise that they will move back down to the NAIA.

This post needs to be moved to the fantasy section.

Why is that? Of all the D2 moves in the last 10 years, NWOSU is one of a handful that I think could move back. D2 never made sense for them in the first place.

They are a public school with only 2300 enrollment. The NCAA denied them the move up to D2 once before.

NWOSU has been a full D2 member for all of 3 years and has shown improvement each year. Don't be so quick to judge.


I am talking about fiances. They are the ones who have to travel for all sports to southeastern Arkansas. Oklahoma Panhandle State were D2 longer than NW Oklahoma State, and could not afford it anymore. They are the ones who are outliers to the rest of the conferences. The closest school to them are OPSU.
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Travel isn't that much different for them in the Sooner Athletic Conference.
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(10-07-2018 07:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:16 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 09:56 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 09:49 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 01:58 AM)AZcats Wrote:  This post needs to be moved to the fantasy section.

Why is that? Of all the D2 moves in the last 10 years, NWOSU is one of a handful that I think could move back. D2 never made sense for them in the first place.

They are a public school with only 2300 enrollment. The NCAA denied them the move up to D2 once before.

NWOSU has been a full D2 member for all of 3 years and has shown improvement each year. Don't be so quick to judge.


I am talking about fiances. They are the ones who have to travel for all sports to southeastern Arkansas. Oklahoma Panhandle State were D2 longer than NW Oklahoma State, and could not afford it anymore. They are the ones who are outliers to the rest of the conferences. The closest school to them are OPSU.

The fiances could drive them to a different division but would only effect women’s sports.
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