(09-16-2018 02:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  They need to set up queue lines like this for concessions. It definitely wouldn't solve everything, but I think it would help. This way everyone is in 1 or 2 lines that are funneled up to the 4-6 cash registers, instead of 4-6 separate lines. That way you don't pick the wrong line with the person who can't do math.

Either UT was already planning on implementing this during the 3rd game of the year, or they have people reading this board. On the press box side, they had this type of setup at the 2 main concession stands. Seemed a lot more organized and less cluttered when walking around at half time.

(09-23-2018 09:34 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(09-16-2018 02:13 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  They need to set up queue lines like this for concessions. It definitely wouldn't solve everything, but I think it would help. This way everyone is in 1 or 2 lines that are funneled up to the 4-6 cash registers, instead of 4-6 separate lines. That way you don't pick the wrong line with the person who can't do math.

Either UT was already planning on implementing this during the 3rd game of the year, or they have people reading this board. On the press box side, they had this type of setup at the 2 main concession stands. Seemed a lot more organized and less cluttered when walking around at half time.

Visitors side did not have that but I had no problem waiting. Just a few minutes and I was done.

ESPN reports 23,750 for attendance. We have had a really good year so far!

(09-23-2018 03:19 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 12:07 PM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  ESPN reports 23,750 for attendance. We have had a really good year so far!

smaller attendance than 3rd game last year against Tulsa

(09-23-2018 03:21 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:19 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 12:07 PM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  ESPN reports 23,750 for attendance. We have had a really good year so far!

smaller attendance than 3rd game last year against Tulsa

Uh, compare Tulsa to our Marquee game this season which was a different type of Hurricanes. You can't compare week vs. week man. If so let's compare this years homecoming to last year's HC and see how that goes

(09-23-2018 06:29 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:21 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:19 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 12:07 PM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  ESPN reports 23,750 for attendance. We have had a really good year so far!

smaller attendance than 3rd game last year against Tulsa

Uh, compare Tulsa to our Marquee game this season which was a different type of Hurricanes. You can't compare week vs. week man. If so let's compare this years homecoming to last year's HC and see how that goes

Actually I was comparing Tulsa (2017) to Nevada (2018) to illustrate that there is no growing of UT football attendance to close to sell outs, hence stop the ongoing debate that some posters have about considering expanding seats in GB. If UT, coming off MACC season, falls close to 5,000 short of full capacity on a beautiful Saturday noon start in late September, after two very entertaining home games, prospects for any future growth are nil.

As to homecoming, will be interesting to compare to 2016 HC, October 15 vs BGSU drew 30,000+

(09-24-2018 12:47 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 06:29 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:21 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:19 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 12:07 PM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  ESPN reports 23,750 for attendance. We have had a really good year so far!

smaller attendance than 3rd game last year against Tulsa

Uh, compare Tulsa to our Marquee game this season which was a different type of Hurricanes. You can't compare week vs. week man. If so let's compare this years homecoming to last year's HC and see how that goes

Actually I was comparing Tulsa (2017) to Nevada (2018) to illustrate that there is no growing of UT football attendance to close to sell outs, hence stop the ongoing debate that some posters have about considering expanding seats in GB. If UT, coming off MACC season, falls close to 5,000 short of full capacity on a beautiful Saturday noon start in late September, after two very entertaining home games, prospects for any future growth are nil.

As to homecoming, will be interesting to compare to 2016 HC, October 15 vs BGSU drew 30,000+

Glass Bowl capacity is 26,244. So Nevada was about 2,500 under capacity.

(09-24-2018 01:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 12:47 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 06:29 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:21 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:19 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  smaller attendance than 3rd game last year against Tulsa

Uh, compare Tulsa to our Marquee game this season which was a different type of Hurricanes. You can't compare week vs. week man. If so let's compare this years homecoming to last year's HC and see how that goes

Actually I was comparing Tulsa (2017) to Nevada (2018) to illustrate that there is no growing of UT football attendance to close to sell outs, hence stop the ongoing debate that some posters have about considering expanding seats in GB. If UT, coming off MACC season, falls close to 5,000 short of full capacity on a beautiful Saturday noon start in late September, after two very entertaining home games, prospects for any future growth are nil.

As to homecoming, will be interesting to compare to 2016 HC, October 15 vs BGSU drew 30,000+

Glass Bowl capacity is 26,244. So Nevada was about 2,500 under capacity.

Yet U Miami game was 28,117 and not considered a sell out?? (there were unsold tickets remaining??)

(09-24-2018 01:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 12:47 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 06:29 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:21 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:19 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  smaller attendance than 3rd game last year against Tulsa

Uh, compare Tulsa to our Marquee game this season which was a different type of Hurricanes. You can't compare week vs. week man. If so let's compare this years homecoming to last year's HC and see how that goes

Actually I was comparing Tulsa (2017) to Nevada (2018) to illustrate that there is no growing of UT football attendance to close to sell outs, hence stop the ongoing debate that some posters have about considering expanding seats in GB. If UT, coming off MACC season, falls close to 5,000 short of full capacity on a beautiful Saturday noon start in late September, after two very entertaining home games, prospects for any future growth are nil.

As to homecoming, will be interesting to compare to 2016 HC, October 15 vs BGSU drew 30,000+

Glass Bowl capacity is 26,244. So Nevada was about 2,500 under capacity.

Yep Nevada was a good crowd, but not close to sellout and fewer than Tulsa game last year (on Sat Sept 16 7p game). One would think Saturday, beautiful weather, noon start would do better, guess not. I am simply using Nevada as evidence that we are long way from considering need for expansion if that game does not at least sell out.

(09-24-2018 01:50 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 01:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 12:47 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 06:29 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 03:21 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

Uh, compare Tulsa to our Marquee game this season which was a different type of Hurricanes. You can't compare week vs. week man. If so let's compare this years homecoming to last year's HC and see how that goes

Actually I was comparing Tulsa (2017) to Nevada (2018) to illustrate that there is no growing of UT football attendance to close to sell outs, hence stop the ongoing debate that some posters have about considering expanding seats in GB. If UT, coming off MACC season, falls close to 5,000 short of full capacity on a beautiful Saturday noon start in late September, after two very entertaining home games, prospects for any future growth are nil.

As to homecoming, will be interesting to compare to 2016 HC, October 15 vs BGSU drew 30,000+

Glass Bowl capacity is 26,244. So Nevada was about 2,500 under capacity.

Yet U Miami game was 28,117 and not considered a sell out?? (there were unsold tickets remaining??)

I heard Miami was being called a sellout. Source here:
https://twitter.com/ToledoFB/status/1041036149630926855

From what I read from someone else here, the Fire Marshall/Safety crew won't allow folks to pack in like we used to do before when setting those old records, especially the really old records of 30+. I would like to understand more about this as well. How is it a sellout when more tickets can be sold? What is the real capacity?

(09-24-2018 03:07 PM)ToledoMike Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 01:50 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 01:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 12:47 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-23-2018 06:29 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Uh, compare Tulsa to our Marquee game this season which was a different type of Hurricanes. You can't compare week vs. week man. If so let's compare this years homecoming to last year's HC and see how that goes

Actually I was comparing Tulsa (2017) to Nevada (2018) to illustrate that there is no growing of UT football attendance to close to sell outs, hence stop the ongoing debate that some posters have about considering expanding seats in GB. If UT, coming off MACC season, falls close to 5,000 short of full capacity on a beautiful Saturday noon start in late September, after two very entertaining home games, prospects for any future growth are nil.

As to homecoming, will be interesting to compare to 2016 HC, October 15 vs BGSU drew 30,000+

Glass Bowl capacity is 26,244. So Nevada was about 2,500 under capacity.

Yet U Miami game was 28,117 and not considered a sell out?? (there were unsold tickets remaining??)

I heard Miami was being called a sellout. Source here:
https://twitter.com/ToledoFB/status/1041036149630926855

From what I read from someone else here, the Fire Marshall/Safety crew won't allow folks to pack in like we used to do before when setting those old records, especially the really old records of 30+. I would like to understand more about this as well. How is it a sellout when more tickets can be sold? What is the real capacity?

Our student body is that of 20,000+. There is a section that we do not sell tickets for called the "student section". Let's say those sections hold 5,000. If we have 7,000 show up then there ya have it. They still are allowed in but technically we didn't sell like 100 tickets. Eventually they would quit letting students in but that floater couple thousand they let in.

And PaulJ, what's ur deal man? Total attendance is up! Compare CMU after Thanksgiving to Tulsa if you want but we are up after 3 games over 2017. If you win they will come. Crowds have been nice. Buffalo and BG should be terrific as well!

Toledo has been winning for a LONG time. The "win and they will come" argument should have rested a long time ago. We didn't win THIS year, unless someone really wants to call VMI a "win." Promote and make the day interesting. Give potential fans reason to set the cynicism surrounding high priced sports aside. They will come.

(09-24-2018 04:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Toledo has been winning for a LONG time. The "win and they will come" argument should have rested a long time ago. We didn't win THIS year, unless someone really wants to call VMI a "win." Promote and make the day interesting. Give potential fans reason to set the cynicism surrounding high priced sports aside. They will come.

I think they should get a couple lazyboy chairs put them up high in the stands on the 50 yard line. Or in the end zone up so they can see the field.
Then every game they draw two names from (season ticket holders only) and let them set there for that game.
Also they could draw two names from season ticket holders and give away tickets to an away game.

(09-24-2018 03:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  .

And PaulJ, what's ur deal man? Total attendance is up! Compare CMU after Thanksgiving to Tulsa if you want but we are up after 3 games over 2017. If you win they will come. Crowds have been nice. Buffalo and BG should be terrific as well!

Starting to look like a chance of a 7-0 Buffalo team coming in. On a Saturday, they would bring a nice chunk of fans

(09-24-2018 04:59 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 04:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Toledo has been winning for a LONG time. The "win and they will come" argument should have rested a long time ago. We didn't win THIS year, unless someone really wants to call VMI a "win." Promote and make the day interesting. Give potential fans reason to set the cynicism surrounding high priced sports aside. They will come.

I think they should get a couple lazyboy chairs put them up high in the stands on the 50 yard line. Or in the end zone up so they can see the field.
Then every game they draw two names from (season ticket holders only) and let them set there for that game.
Also they could draw two names from season ticket holders and give away tickets to an away game.

I would double my season ticket purchase to get a chance at those chairs.

EDIT for Emphasis: That....would.....be....so....cool. Ok, it's not waving at kids in the hospital cool, but it's cool.

(09-24-2018 04:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Toledo has been winning for a LONG time. The "win and they will come" argument should have rested a long time ago. We didn't win THIS year, unless someone really wants to call VMI a "win." Promote and make the day interesting. Give potential fans reason to set the cynicism surrounding high priced sports aside. They will come.

toledo lacks boosters like texas or boise state. or the homers who spend relentlessly to get UT over the hump for good

(09-25-2018 05:21 AM)crusher38 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 04:49 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Toledo has been winning for a LONG time. The "win and they will come" argument should have rested a long time ago. We didn't win THIS year, unless someone really wants to call VMI a "win." Promote and make the day interesting. Give potential fans reason to set the cynicism surrounding high priced sports aside. They will come.

toledo lacks boosters like texas or boise state. or the homers who spend relentlessly to get UT over the hump for good

Boise is kind of a good comparison, but not Texas. Texas was down for a few years, but they have been a big-time football program for a long time. They also have the 4th largest enrollment of a public school with 50k+ students. $ has never been an issue for them.

As for Boise, their enrollment is similar ours, BUT they don't have an Ohio State or Michigan in their shadow stealing all the attention, donor $, and potential students/donors. They also beat all odds by beating Oklahoma in a BCS game and have pretty much been a perennial top 20-30 team for over a decade now. While we can't do anything about the OSU and Michigan situation, we would at least have to do what Boise has achieved on the field to expect better things to come our way. While some MAC schools have had success, no MAC team has risen to near the top and stayed there like Boise has been able to. It is just not a likely feat...what they have done is very impressive.

That said, I am happy where we are at for the most part. At least we aren't BG in a small town with a subpar campus, LOL. But yeah, I would love to see Toledo move to a bigger conference like Cincy was able to do. Our problem there is our BB team not being close to as good as Cincy's has been over the past 40 years. We don't have any coattails to ride on like they did into a bigger conference. So, it is back to building programs with the resources and situation we are in. I think the AD's and the institution in general has done a great job over the years with the hand we have been dealt.

(09-24-2018 05:53 PM)T4C8 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 03:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  .

And PaulJ, what's ur deal man? Total attendance is up! Compare CMU after Thanksgiving to Tulsa if you want but we are up after 3 games over 2017. If you win they will come. Crowds have been nice. Buffalo and BG should be terrific as well!

Starting to look like a chance of a 7-0 Buffalo team coming in. On a Saturday, they would bring a nice chunk of fans

Just pushing back against a narrative some advocate here that GB should be expanded and more seats added. As others have noted its been pretty clear for last decade and with a consistently winning team that local fans are muted in their support. And we all know the only reason total attendance is up is because of the 3,000-5,000 U Miami fans who attended that game, none to be seen again this season. Looks nice but one very special game a decade is not indication of jump in local fan support for UT football, it is what it is. If UB remains undefeated and UT wins its initial MAC games, that game should bring in a decent crowd (weather depending) but willing to guess we fall short of 25,000 again.

(09-25-2018 11:05 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 05:53 PM)T4C8 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 03:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  .

And PaulJ, what's ur deal man? Total attendance is up! Compare CMU after Thanksgiving to Tulsa if you want but we are up after 3 games over 2017. If you win they will come. Crowds have been nice. Buffalo and BG should be terrific as well!

Starting to look like a chance of a 7-0 Buffalo team coming in. On a Saturday, they would bring a nice chunk of fans

Just pushing back against a narrative some advocate here that GB should be expanded and more seats added. As others have noted its been pretty clear for last decade and with a consistently winning team that local fans are muted in their support. And we all know the only reason total attendance is up is because of the 3,000-5,000 U Miami fans who attended that game, none to be seen again this season. Looks nice but one very special game a decade is not indication of jump in local fan support for UT football, it is what it is. If UB remains undefeated and UT wins its initial MAC games, that game should bring in a decent crowd (weather depending) but willing to guess we fall short of 25,000 again.

I honestly believe in the scenario that IF Buffalo is 7-0 (ranked) and the Rockets take care of business vs. Fresno, BG, and Eastern that we will have capacity+ in the GB.

(09-25-2018 11:05 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 05:53 PM)T4C8 Wrote:  

(09-24-2018 03:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  .

And PaulJ, what's ur deal man? Total attendance is up! Compare CMU after Thanksgiving to Tulsa if you want but we are up after 3 games over 2017. If you win they will come. Crowds have been nice. Buffalo and BG should be terrific as well!

Starting to look like a chance of a 7-0 Buffalo team coming in. On a Saturday, they would bring a nice chunk of fans

Just pushing back against a narrative some advocate here that GB should be expanded and more seats added. As others have noted its been pretty clear for last decade and with a consistently winning team that local fans are muted in their support. And we all know the only reason total attendance is up is because of the 3,000-5,000 U Miami fans who attended that game, none to be seen again this season. Looks nice but one very special game a decade is not indication of jump in local fan support for UT football, it is what it is. If UB remains undefeated and UT wins its initial MAC games, that game should bring in a decent crowd (weather depending) but willing to guess we fall short of 25,000 again.

Supply and Demand. If Miami fans were locked out of coming, tickets would have been 20$, not 70$ and we sell out with just Toledo fans. If you don't truly believe that, then we disagree and should end the conversation. I'm not an advocate for expanding but I still think we have had a good season in the stands and that our athletic Dept has cashed in nicely.