As a Big Ten fan I need to lament at what a disappointment Big Ten expansion has been and how dismally the 3 expansion schools have performed. Of all the schools we could have grabbed we grabbed two schools who we all knew would be cellar dwellers and a former blueblood who is riding the downward slide towards just being any other program.

All 3 managed to lose games they should have won today in the noon timeslot.

We can we have a redo and bring some schools in that actually add to the conference.

Nebraska just got a new coach, give them time.
Maryland did beat Texas two weeks ago, but they are in a hot mess with the Durkin scandal.
And Rutgers is Rutgers. Expanding to include teams in big markets has not worked out at all. C-USA knows a lot about that.

(09-15-2018 03:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  As a Big Ten fan I need to lament at what a disappointment Big Ten expansion has been and how dismally the 3 expansion schools have performed. Of all the schools we could have grabbed we grabbed two schools who we all knew would be cellar dwellers and a former blueblood who is riding the downward slide towards just being any other program.

All 3 managed to lose games they should have won today in the noon timeslot.

We can we have a redo and bring some schools in that actually add to the conference.

It's all a function of Delany's fixation with the East Coast. Keep in mind that Missouri and Colorado were both available for the taking had the Big Ten offered them around the time it added Nebraska. Could've had 2 really strong divisions, IMO (and probably bait the ACC into taking Rutgers while keeping Maryland).

To be fair, when the Big Ten added Nebraska, they didn't know Osborne would be a mediocre-at-best AD and they weren't aware of the greater cultural malaise Pelini, Pederson, and Callahan inflicted on the program. Trust me, Nebraska believes they have what it takes to be up there with Ohio State and Wisconsin. It's just a matter of getting over themselves, and I think these coaches are capable of it. It's just going to take a lot of time to right the ship. Riley ran a country club, and that mentality's hard to shake from kids.

(09-15-2018 05:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  To be fair, when the Big Ten added Nebraska, they didn't know Osborne would be a mediocre-at-best AD and they weren't aware of the greater cultural malaise Pelini, Pederson, and Callahan inflicted on the program. Trust me, Nebraska believes they have what it takes to be up there with Ohio State and Wisconsin. It's just a matter of getting over themselves, and I think these coaches are capable of it. It's just going to take a lot of time to right the ship. Riley ran a country club, and that mentality's hard to shake from kids.

I agree, Nebraska is all about coaches who can develop talent. This is something they have lacked for many years and it shows. Frost will turn it around, going to take a little time.

One thing I've never understood and maybe you can help me here. You always hear how Nebraska lost Texas recruits when they left the BIG 12. Did they EVER get that many Texas recruits? I mean wasn't those 90's team mostly Nebraska, Colorado and Kansas kids?

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(09-15-2018 05:26 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 05:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  To be fair, when the Big Ten added Nebraska, they didn't know Osborne would be a mediocre-at-best AD and they weren't aware of the greater cultural malaise Pelini, Pederson, and Callahan inflicted on the program. Trust me, Nebraska believes they have what it takes to be up there with Ohio State and Wisconsin. It's just a matter of getting over themselves, and I think these coaches are capable of it. It's just going to take a lot of time to right the ship. Riley ran a country club, and that mentality's hard to shake from kids.

I agree, Nebraska is all about coaches who can develop talent. This is something they have lacked for many years and it shows. Frost will turn it around, going to take a little time.

One thing I've never understood and maybe you can help me here. You always hear how Nebraska lost Texas recruits when they left the BIG 12. Did they EVER get that many Texas recruits? I mean wasn't those 90's team mostly Nebraska, Colorado and Kansas kids?

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...and a good sprinkling of California kids too, IIRC.

As long as presidents and not athletic directors control the process of admission to conferences, you will see decisions go certain ways. Commissioners can only point in certain directions. Yes, Delany can give advice but the presidents have the ultimate power and decision.

Also, ye of little faith.

(09-15-2018 05:26 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 05:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  To be fair, when the Big Ten added Nebraska, they didn't know Osborne would be a mediocre-at-best AD and they weren't aware of the greater cultural malaise Pelini, Pederson, and Callahan inflicted on the program. Trust me, Nebraska believes they have what it takes to be up there with Ohio State and Wisconsin. It's just a matter of getting over themselves, and I think these coaches are capable of it. It's just going to take a lot of time to right the ship. Riley ran a country club, and that mentality's hard to shake from kids.

I agree, Nebraska is all about coaches who can develop talent. This is something they have lacked for many years and it shows. Frost will turn it around, going to take a little time.

One thing I've never understood and maybe you can help me here. You always hear how Nebraska lost Texas recruits when they left the BIG 12. Did they EVER get that many Texas recruits? I mean wasn't those 90's team mostly Nebraska, Colorado and Kansas kids?

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Nebraska relied heavily on Texas and Arizona talent in the 2000s. Before then, the talent was from basically the entire country. They'd dip into the South, pull players from New Jersey and Pennsylvania, and yeah, a lot of talent from Nebraska, Colorado, Kansas, and Missouri. There's a lot of talk here about shoring up the "500 mile radius," making sure that the best talent within 500 miles of Lincoln at least considers Lincoln over other regional or national schools.

What also helped Nebraska in the 90s was an airtight relationship between Nebraska's coaches and local high school coaches. Nebraska communicated what they needed out of their recruits, the kind of plays they ran, and how to develop it, and high school coaches would give the players four more years of development in Nebraska's system. Callahan killed that and Pelini made the rift even deeper with his arrogant attitude towards local talent. Now there's a perception among Nebraskan football players that Nebraska won't give them a look apart from "preferred walk-on" status, and instead bring in Californians and Floridians just to maintain pipelines and look good for Rivals. It's why the best Nebraskan in college football right now, Noah Fant, is playing for Iowa.

That's just how bad things are for Nebraska. There's not even a sense of direction in the recruiting game other than "be better than Wisconsin at doing what Wisconsin's doing." Also, Hudl is making it so "local" talent is hardly ever truly local, and any kid that's special will inevitably get an SEC or Ohio State offer. It's really a tall task that Frost has on his hands. Lucky for him, just about the entire state's in his corner, though there are only so many bad losses before that tune's going to change.

BYU just beat Wisconsin!

Not to use this as an excuse but three starting OL, including both tackles, did not play today for Maryland.

(09-15-2018 05:40 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 05:26 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 05:09 PM)Mav Wrote:  To be fair, when the Big Ten added Nebraska, they didn't know Osborne would be a mediocre-at-best AD and they weren't aware of the greater cultural malaise Pelini, Pederson, and Callahan inflicted on the program. Trust me, Nebraska believes they have what it takes to be up there with Ohio State and Wisconsin. It's just a matter of getting over themselves, and I think these coaches are capable of it. It's just going to take a lot of time to right the ship. Riley ran a country club, and that mentality's hard to shake from kids.

I agree, Nebraska is all about coaches who can develop talent. This is something they have lacked for many years and it shows. Frost will turn it around, going to take a little time.

One thing I've never understood and maybe you can help me here. You always hear how Nebraska lost Texas recruits when they left the BIG 12. Did they EVER get that many Texas recruits? I mean wasn't those 90's team mostly Nebraska, Colorado and Kansas kids?

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Nebraska relied heavily on Texas and Arizona talent in the 2000s. Before then, the talent was from basically the entire country. They'd dip into the South, pull players from New Jersey and Pennsylvania, and yeah, a lot of talent from Nebraska, Colorado, Kansas, and Missouri. There's a lot of talk here about shoring up the "500 mile radius," making sure that the best talent within 500 miles of Lincoln at least considers Lincoln over other regional or national schools.

What also helped Nebraska in the 90s was an airtight relationship between Nebraska's coaches and local high school coaches. Nebraska communicated what they needed out of their recruits, the kind of plays they ran, and how to develop it, and high school coaches would give the players four more years of development in Nebraska's system. Callahan killed that and Pelini made the rift even deeper with his arrogant attitude towards local talent. Now there's a perception among Nebraskan football players that Nebraska won't give them a look apart from "preferred walk-on" status, and instead bring in Californians and Floridians just to maintain pipelines and look good for Rivals. It's why the best Nebraskan in college football right now, Noah Fant, is playing for Iowa.

That's just how bad things are for Nebraska. There's not even a sense of direction in the recruiting game other than "be better than Wisconsin at doing what Wisconsin's doing." Also, Hudl is making it so "local" talent is hardly ever truly local, and any kid that's special will inevitably get an SEC or Ohio State offer. It's really a tall task that Frost has on his hands. Lucky for him, just about the entire state's in his corner, though there are only so many bad losses before that tune's going to change.

Great response, thanks for the feedback!

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What brought Nebraska football down was Texas insistence of banning partial qualifiers in the Big XII. The Big Eight had no such policy. That was the beginning of the Texas-Nebraska feud that lasted until 2011

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/new-...df934.html

(09-15-2018 05:57 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  What brought Nebraska football down was Texas insistence of banning partial qualifiers in the Big XII. The Big Eight had no such policy. That was the beginning of the Texas-Nebraska feud that lasted until 2011

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/new-...df934.html

Nebraska's Big 12 "friends" helped, but there were so many self-inflicted wounds on the way there that it didn't really matter. It was kind of an inevitability.

(09-15-2018 05:57 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  What brought Nebraska football down was Texas insistence of banning partial qualifiers in the Big XII. The Big Eight had no such policy. That was the beginning of the Texas-Nebraska feud that lasted until 2011

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/new-...df934.html

A weird situation where Texas did the right thing - end the use of prop 48 non-qualifiers - for the wrong reason (to end Big Red dominance).

It's easy to crap on the three newest additions but what about perennial underachiever Illinois? What about Michigan? Why is Iowa such a one special year out of four type of team? Ferentz should be better than that after all these years and the down western division.

The Big Ten is down this year. Ohio State needs to win against TCU to give themselves and Penn State the best chance of making the playoffs. Everyone else looks toxic with a bad loss.

(09-15-2018 06:54 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  It's easy to crap on the three newest additions but what about perennial underachiever Illinois? What about Michigan? Why is Iowa such a one special year out of four type of team? Ferentz should be better than that after all these years and the down western division.

The Big Ten is down this year. Ohio State needs to win against TCU to give themselves and Penn State the best chance of making the playoffs. Everyone else looks toxic with a bad loss.

What about Penn State? 6 straight years without 10 wins until resurgance last 2 years that still included a 40 point loss to Michigan.

(09-15-2018 05:57 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  What brought Nebraska football down was Texas insistence of banning partial qualifiers in the Big XII. The Big Eight had no such policy. That was the beginning of the Texas-Nebraska feud that lasted until 2011

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/new-...df934.html

Well that and the loss of the in state only scholarships that allowed them to keep some depth on the bench.

BYU 24 Wisconsin 21

USFBulls 25 Illinois 19

Temple 35 Maryland 14

Troy 24 Nebraska 19



lulz

the big 10 is neither

and Missouri is beating Purdue.

The Big Ten is bad right now. Just a result of the same problems everyone has been pointing to for a while

(09-15-2018 07:26 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(09-15-2018 06:54 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  It's easy to crap on the three newest additions but what about perennial underachiever Illinois? What about Michigan? Why is Iowa such a one special year out of four type of team? Ferentz should be better than that after all these years and the down western division.

The Big Ten is down this year. Ohio State needs to win against TCU to give themselves and Penn State the best chance of making the playoffs. Everyone else looks toxic with a bad loss.

What about Penn State? 6 straight years without 10 wins until resurgance last 2 years that still included a 40 point loss to Michigan.

Six years isn't that long and the down years were aided by sanctions rather than on-field problems. The last two years include two top 10 finishes, a Big Ten championship, and two NY6 bowls with one win. This year looks as promising as the last two were. Michigan last won the conference outright in 2003 and shared it in 2004.