(09-10-2018 09:09 PM)imfsff3 Wrote: There is no simple answer to our woes. Should we have moved up? Were there reasons at the time that made it look like the correct move? Or should we attempted (maybe we did) to help create a new 1A conference with closer schools? Yes, I like being a 1A school, however........ who the hell cares about playing the schools in Texas and Louisiana? There is little or no natural rivalry, primarily because of the far flung nature of CUSA. Looking back, I would rather be a top 1AA school rather than a bottom feeder in 1A. Plus, we would have still had the natural rivalries. Sure we went to a bowl. Big deal! I still have no interest in playing the western CUSA schools and I'm sure they don't care about us. Let's get back to reality.
Im glad we bumped up but we didnt know what C-USA would be like. It just hasn't worked. Now we need a new regional conference. This is my 16 team conference (only one crossover game to limit long distance travel), not the worst basketball conference either:
North
Old Dominion
JMU
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
South
Coastal Carolina
Ga Southern
Ga State
UAB
Troy
Southern Miss
FAU
FIU
16 is too big imo. I'd take CUSA-E plus UAB, that's 8 teams. Add in both GA schools, App & JMU.
Why do you think its to big, area or number of teams? If you have 2 halves of 8 then you effectively have two 8 team conferences under one name which reduces travel costs even with more teams. Furthermore, you still need some schools with names and southern miss and coastal provide that. I have UMass because I think they need a home and have a good bball program.
You effectively have 2 8-tem conferences with one NCAA bid. I would be reluctant to go with more than 10 teams and certainly not more than 12.
(09-11-2018 07:54 AM)cmett003 Wrote: Im glad we bumped up but we didnt know what C-USA would be like. It just hasn't worked. Now we need a new regional conference. This is my 16 team conference (only one crossover game to limit long distance travel), not the worst basketball conference either:
North
Old Dominion
JMU
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
South
Coastal Carolina
Ga Southern
Ga State
UAB
Troy
Southern Miss
FAU
FIU
16 is too big imo. I'd take CUSA-E plus UAB, that's 8 teams. Add in both GA schools, App & JMU.
Why do you think its to big, area or number of teams? If you have 2 halves of 8 then you effectively have two 8 team conferences under one name which reduces travel costs even with more teams. Furthermore, you still need some schools with names and southern miss and coastal provide that. I have UMass because I think they need a home and have a good bball program.
Too many teams.
There isn't but so much talent to go around. Put that many in a conference and a lot of them are going to suck. CUSA is a prime example.
I disagree. It might seem like a lot but its all of the quality G5 teams in the southeast.
(09-10-2018 09:09 PM)imfsff3 Wrote: There is no simple answer to our woes. Should we have moved up? Were there reasons at the time that made it look like the correct move? Or should we attempted (maybe we did) to help create a new 1A conference with closer schools? Yes, I like being a 1A school, however........ who the hell cares about playing the schools in Texas and Louisiana? There is little or no natural rivalry, primarily because of the far flung nature of CUSA. Looking back, I would rather be a top 1AA school rather than a bottom feeder in 1A. Plus, we would have still had the natural rivalries. Sure we went to a bowl. Big deal! I still have no interest in playing the western CUSA schools and I'm sure they don't care about us. Let's get back to reality.
Im glad we bumped up but we didnt know what C-USA would be like. It just hasn't worked. Now we need a new regional conference. This is my 16 team conference (only one crossover game to limit long distance travel), not the worst basketball conference either:
North
Old Dominion
JMU
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
South
Coastal Carolina
Ga Southern
Ga State
UAB
Troy
Southern Miss
FAU
FIU
16 is too big imo. I'd take CUSA-E plus UAB, that's 8 teams. Add in both GA schools, App & JMU.
Why do you think its to big, area or number of teams? If you have 2 halves of 8 then you effectively have two 8 team conferences under one name which reduces travel costs even with more teams. Furthermore, you still need some schools with names and southern miss and coastal provide that. I have UMass because I think they need a home and have a good bball program.
You effectively have 2 8-tem conferences with one NCAA bid. I would be reluctant to go with more than 10 teams and certainly not more than 12.
(09-10-2018 02:57 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote: Absolutely not. It was the right thing to do. Have to see the big picture and not just the here and now. The only regret is that we didn't do it in the mid-80's when bringing football back was first attempted. We would be so much further along. Look - we're having a bad year. Everyone has bad years. Alabama had bad years. Look at FSU - seriously - look at FSU with all of their resources and advantages. There are schools that have resources we can't imagine that are consistently bad. We've had a great start and before we knew it - we're transitioning up to FBS. Our program has basically been in a constant state of transition. We're in a rough patch - NO DOUBT. But we'll get through it. How we as fans respond is just as telling about our program as how the administrators and coaches respond. Are we just gonna pout and bail and not show up or are we gonna show up and push through this rough patch. We will right the ship. We will get better. Our stadium will improve. Our recruiting will improve. Our play on the field will improve. We're not dead. RELAX - enjoy the fact that we can tailgate on OUR campus and watch OUR football team. It's way better than wearing gear and rooting for a school you didn't attend. POSERS are everywhere. We are Monarchs! Enjoy it.
Agree... 100%
First...let me say I bleed blue as much as anyone here and have since I graduated from ODU in Dec 1972.
We all have opinions. I was stating the obvious. CUSA hasn't worked, mainly because of teams leaving that were part of the conference when we signed on. We've all seen talk of merging CUSA and Sunbelt then redistributing the teams geographically. That would make perfect if egos would get out the way. Another issue which has nothing to do with the conference is that our students are not heavily involved.That goes for basketball as well as football. We have a great, older donor base which has allowed our progression to occur. However, in order for this to continue, we need to figure out a way to have more student involvement.
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(09-10-2018 02:57 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote: Absolutely not. It was the right thing to do. Have to see the big picture and not just the here and now. The only regret is that we didn't do it in the mid-80's when bringing football back was first attempted. We would be so much further along. Look - we're having a bad year. Everyone has bad years. Alabama had bad years. Look at FSU - seriously - look at FSU with all of their resources and advantages. There are schools that have resources we can't imagine that are consistently bad. We've had a great start and before we knew it - we're transitioning up to FBS. Our program has basically been in a constant state of transition. We're in a rough patch - NO DOUBT. But we'll get through it. How we as fans respond is just as telling about our program as how the administrators and coaches respond. Are we just gonna pout and bail and not show up or are we gonna show up and push through this rough patch. We will right the ship. We will get better. Our stadium will improve. Our recruiting will improve. Our play on the field will improve. We're not dead. RELAX - enjoy the fact that we can tailgate on OUR campus and watch OUR football team. It's way better than wearing gear and rooting for a school you didn't attend. POSERS are everywhere. We are Monarchs! Enjoy it.
(09-09-2018 09:16 AM)booman Wrote: Good morning cross town neighbors. With the way the season is starting and looking over the past 3 years, how do y'all still feel about moving up to FBS? Year one, almost made a bowl, year 2 winning a bowl, however September looks kinda down. Seems that many are calling for BW's head. How much time does he get? Who would y'all get to replace the face of the program? Has he fully been able to recuit FBS players? Talent wise, are yall still on the FCS level? How do you feel you would stack up against that purple school in H'burg (I truly hate them right now) or NDSU?
Booman, It is a mixed bag right now. As was stated earlier there are programs with far superior war chests and facilities that do not put any better product on the field. Sometimes your the hammer and sometimes your the nail. We are the nail the last couple of weeks.
My question for you is the same as yours. Do you think it was a mistake for NSU to move from the CIAA? Seems the situations are somewhat similar.
(09-09-2018 09:16 AM)booman Wrote: Good morning cross town neighbors. With the way the season is starting and looking over the past 3 years, how do y'all still feel about moving up to FBS? Year one, almost made a bowl, year 2 winning a bowl, however September looks kinda down. Seems that many are calling for BW's head. How much time does he get? Who would y'all get to replace the face of the program? Has he fully been able to recuit FBS players? Talent wise, are yall still on the FCS level? How do you feel you would stack up against that purple school in H'burg (I truly hate them right now) or NDSU?
Booman, It is a mixed bag right now. As was stated earlier there are programs with far superior war chests and facilities that do not put any better product on the field. Sometimes your the hammer and sometimes your the nail. We are the nail the last couple of weeks.
My question for you is the same as yours. Do you think it was a mistake for NSU to move from the CIAA? Seems the situations are somewhat similar.
Interesting responses. Have truly enjoyed reading them all. As far as for NSU, Ive always been a MEAC child. I think we had more fan support in the CIAA but the same level of success in the MEAC. Everyone knows about our NCAA win, no one knows of our years of being #1 in the country as a D2 school.
(09-11-2018 07:54 AM)cmett003 Wrote: Im glad we bumped up but we didnt know what C-USA would be like. It just hasn't worked. Now we need a new regional conference. This is my 16 team conference (only one crossover game to limit long distance travel), not the worst basketball conference either:
North
Old Dominion
JMU
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
South
Coastal Carolina
Ga Southern
Ga State
UAB
Troy
Southern Miss
FAU
FIU
16 is too big imo. I'd take CUSA-E plus UAB, that's 8 teams. Add in both GA schools, App & JMU.
Why do you think its to big, area or number of teams? If you have 2 halves of 8 then you effectively have two 8 team conferences under one name which reduces travel costs even with more teams. Furthermore, you still need some schools with names and southern miss and coastal provide that. I have UMass because I think they need a home and have a good bball program.
You effectively have 2 8-tem conferences with one NCAA bid. I would be reluctant to go with more than 10 teams and certainly not more than 12.
What teams?
If I were dictator and being realistic about the fact that ECU, Temple, and Navy aren't leaving the AAC:
Old Dominion
JMU
Delaware
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
Liberty
(09-09-2018 09:16 AM)booman Wrote: Good morning cross town neighbors. With the way the season is starting and looking over the past 3 years, how do y'all still feel about moving up to FBS? Year one, almost made a bowl, year 2 winning a bowl, however September looks kinda down. Seems that many are calling for BW's head. How much time does he get? Who would y'all get to replace the face of the program? Has he fully been able to recuit FBS players? Talent wise, are yall still on the FCS level? How do you feel you would stack up against that purple school in H'burg (I truly hate them right now) or NDSU?
Booman, It is a mixed bag right now. As was stated earlier there are programs with far superior war chests and facilities that do not put any better product on the field. Sometimes your the hammer and sometimes your the nail. We are the nail the last couple of weeks.
My question for you is the same as yours. Do you think it was a mistake for NSU to move from the CIAA? Seems the situations are somewhat similar.
Interesting responses. Have truly enjoyed reading them all. As far as for NSU, Ive always been a MEAC child. I think we had more fan support in the CIAA but the same level of success in the MEAC. Everyone knows about our NCAA win, no one knows of our years of being #1 in the country as a D2 school.
Fair enough. My thought is bigger is not always better. At both programs levels it is about what will put butts in seats.
(09-11-2018 07:57 AM)mturn017 Wrote: 16 is too big imo. I'd take CUSA-E plus UAB, that's 8 teams. Add in both GA schools, App & JMU.
Why do you think its to big, area or number of teams? If you have 2 halves of 8 then you effectively have two 8 team conferences under one name which reduces travel costs even with more teams. Furthermore, you still need some schools with names and southern miss and coastal provide that. I have UMass because I think they need a home and have a good bball program.
You effectively have 2 8-tem conferences with one NCAA bid. I would be reluctant to go with more than 10 teams and certainly not more than 12.
What teams?
If I were dictator and being realistic about the fact that ECU, Temple, and Navy aren't leaving the AAC:
Old Dominion
JMU
Delaware
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
Liberty
Sheds some dead weight and minimizes travel.
You want to shed dead weight but bring on Delaware, another FCS transition team and CAA bottom feeder in basketball? That is a terrible basketball conference. I like my conference so much better and travel is pretty much the same.
(09-11-2018 08:04 AM)cmett003 Wrote: Why do you think its to big, area or number of teams? If you have 2 halves of 8 then you effectively have two 8 team conferences under one name which reduces travel costs even with more teams. Furthermore, you still need some schools with names and southern miss and coastal provide that. I have UMass because I think they need a home and have a good bball program.
You effectively have 2 8-tem conferences with one NCAA bid. I would be reluctant to go with more than 10 teams and certainly not more than 12.
What teams?
If I were dictator and being realistic about the fact that ECU, Temple, and Navy aren't leaving the AAC:
Old Dominion
JMU
Delaware
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
Liberty
Sheds some dead weight and minimizes travel.
You want to shed dead weight but bring on Delaware, another FCS transition team and CAA bottom feeder in basketball? That is a terrible basketball conference. I like my conference so much better and travel is pretty much the same.
Old Dominion
JMU
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
Ga St.
UAB.
Other possibilities: Ark. St., Ga. So, Liberty, Coastal, FAU
Pretty solid basketball, not the best football, but then again, neither is CUSA now.
(09-11-2018 08:04 AM)cmett003 Wrote: Why do you think its to big, area or number of teams? If you have 2 halves of 8 then you effectively have two 8 team conferences under one name which reduces travel costs even with more teams. Furthermore, you still need some schools with names and southern miss and coastal provide that. I have UMass because I think they need a home and have a good bball program.
You effectively have 2 8-tem conferences with one NCAA bid. I would be reluctant to go with more than 10 teams and certainly not more than 12.
What teams?
If I were dictator and being realistic about the fact that ECU, Temple, and Navy aren't leaving the AAC:
Old Dominion
JMU
Delaware
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
Liberty
Sheds some dead weight and minimizes travel.
You want to shed dead weight but bring on Delaware, another FCS transition team and CAA bottom feeder in basketball? That is a terrible basketball conference. I like my conference so much better and travel is pretty much the same.
You want to replace Delaware with Coastal? Fine, makes no difference to me. There is going to be some dead weight no matter what. I'd rather the dead weight be in a 5 hour drive than in Florida and the deep South. At least then we can make an argument for a conference tournament that is somewhere makeable from time to time. You have 16 teams with 6 respectable basketball programs. I have 10 teams with 5 respectable basketball programs. Do the math.
(09-11-2018 10:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote: You effectively have 2 8-tem conferences with one NCAA bid. I would be reluctant to go with more than 10 teams and certainly not more than 12.
What teams?
If I were dictator and being realistic about the fact that ECU, Temple, and Navy aren't leaving the AAC:
Old Dominion
JMU
Delaware
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
Liberty
Sheds some dead weight and minimizes travel.
You want to shed dead weight but bring on Delaware, another FCS transition team and CAA bottom feeder in basketball? That is a terrible basketball conference. I like my conference so much better and travel is pretty much the same.
Old Dominion
JMU
UMass
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
App State
Charlotte
Ga St.
UAB.
Other possibilities: Ark. St., Ga. So, Liberty, Coastal, FAU
Pretty solid basketball, not the best football, but then again, neither is CUSA now.
This is probably the most likely of outcomes if you go mainly off a regional basis, although I dont think teams like La Tech or Southern Miss would go for it.
New Sunbelt (12 football, 14 basketball, UTEP goes to MW)
FAU
FIU
UTSA
Texas State
Rice
North Texas
La Tech
La Monroe
La Lafayette
Southern Miss
South Alabama
Arkansas State
Arkansas LR (bball only)
UT Arlington (bball only)
New C-USA (14 teams)
Old Dominion
JMU
Liberty
Marshall
WKU
App State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
MTSU
UAB
Troy
Ga State
Ga Southern
UMass
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(09-11-2018 09:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: Want to make ODU fans puke or something?
Maybe you, but no one else would puke if we hired a coach that was a) young b) had the Beamer name recognition going c) knew Virginia and recruiting in the state d) had worked his way up the ladder, currently an assistant at Oklahoma and could fill in the staff with higher-level assistants.
(09-11-2018 09:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: Want to make ODU fans puke or something?
Maybe you, but no one else would puke if we hired a coach that was a) young b) had the Beamer name recognition going c) knew Virginia and recruiting in the state d) had worked his way up the ladder, currently an assistant at Oklahoma and could fill in the staff with higher-level assistants.
It's a pipe dream but could you imagine the instant connections he would have here with the local football coaches and ex hokie players that live in the area. Granted most ex hokies wouldn't care about ODU football but could benefit with connections at Deep Creek a program on the rise again under Coach Twine.
(09-11-2018 09:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: Want to make ODU fans puke or something?
Maybe you, but no one else would puke if we hired a coach that was a) young b) had the Beamer name recognition going c) knew Virginia and recruiting in the state d) had worked his way up the ladder, currently an assistant at Oklahoma and could fill in the staff with higher-level assistants.
(09-11-2018 09:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: Want to make ODU fans puke or something?
Maybe you, but no one else would puke if we hired a coach that was a) young b) had the Beamer name recognition going c) knew Virginia and recruiting in the state d) had worked his way up the ladder, currently an assistant at Oklahoma and could fill in the staff with higher-level assistants.
He'd rather have Wilder.
Than Shane Beamer? Absolutely. I don't like cheaters.
(09-11-2018 09:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: Want to make ODU fans puke or something?
Maybe you, but no one else would puke if we hired a coach that was a) young b) had the Beamer name recognition going c) knew Virginia and recruiting in the state d) had worked his way up the ladder, currently an assistant at Oklahoma and could fill in the staff with higher-level assistants.
He'd rather have Wilder.
Than Shane Beamer? Absolutely. I don't like cheaters.
Let's compromise...You don't get the cheater, and we get rid of the really bad coach for me?
