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(07-31-2018 03:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ Just to be clear, I am not saying I expect us to have the 90s level of talent on the roster. I realize times are different. What I am saying is that the argument thrust about that we struggle in recruiting because we have a loaded roster doesn't pass the muster as everyone with the exception of Cumberland is still unproven at this point.

Has nothing to do with the roster being “loaded”. Has to do with the roster being 2 deep at every spot with the exception of point guard. Recruits and the people around them know the situations they are being recruited to, and don’t love looking at an AAC school where they will walk in with two veterans already at their spot. It is what it is...

(07-31-2018 03:46 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 03:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ Just to be clear, I am not saying I expect us to have the 90s level of talent on the roster. I realize times are different. What I am saying is that the argument thrust about that we struggle in recruiting because we have a loaded roster doesn't pass the muster as everyone with the exception of Cumberland is still unproven at this point.

Has nothing to do with the roster being “loaded”. Has to do with the roster being 2 deep at every spot with the exception of point guard. Recruits and the people around them know the situations they are being recruited to, and don’t love looking at an AAC school where they will walk in with two veterans already at their spot. It is what it is...

So even after losing Evans, Clark, and Washington, the talent left on our roster makes it unreasonably difficult for any incoming freshmen to crack the 2 deep (other than at PG)?

(07-31-2018 10:16 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 03:46 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 03:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ Just to be clear, I am not saying I expect us to have the 90s level of talent on the roster. I realize times are different. What I am saying is that the argument thrust about that we struggle in recruiting because we have a loaded roster doesn't pass the muster as everyone with the exception of Cumberland is still unproven at this point.

Has nothing to do with the roster being “loaded”. Has to do with the roster being 2 deep at every spot with the exception of point guard. Recruits and the people around them know the situations they are being recruited to, and don’t love looking at an AAC school where they will walk in with two veterans already at their spot. It is what it is...

So even after losing Evans, Clark, and Washington, the talent left on our roster makes it unreasonably difficult for any incoming freshmen to crack the 2 deep (other than at PG)?

Try reading what I said first. There is opportunity to crack the two deep, but most aren’t interested in finding out. Notice they have a lot of traction with the spot that isn’t crowded. Coincidence???

(07-31-2018 03:29 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 02:43 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 02:28 PM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 02:09 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(07-30-2018 03:52 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Yeah, there's not a guy on this roster outside of Cumberland who has unequivocally earned a starting spot. The current roster is not an excuse for mediocre recruiting.

Totally agree. The excuses have gotten absolutely ridiculous and downright pathetic. Like others have said, we don't have anyone on this roster outside of Cumberland who has the type of talent we had on our rosters throughout the 90's and early 2000's.

Curious - which players through the 90's and early 2000's are you referring to? I would like to think today's roster stacks up rather favorably to former players like Shawn Myrick, Michael Horton, Jackson Julson, BJ Grove.

I am not trying to be funny here...but be very careful of revisionist history. UC has had its stars through the years, and a lot of role players otherwise.

Cincy just had 3 of its top 4 players move on. Everyone else on the roster was asked to be a role player. Let's be a little patient to see how the next crop of guys respond. No one (NO ONE) would have predicted Justin Jackson's senior season, as an example.

Shawn Myrick and Michael Horton were role players on rosters that included Danny Fortson, Reuben Patterson, Kenyon Martin, Pete Mickeal, Mel Levett, etc. If today's roster stacks up to the group you mentioned we are in trouble.

This.

It's quite easy to cherry pick a couple of role player names, and present a case. However, a more true & thorough examination shows that we had some very special talent. Talent that exceeds what we have today.

To be fair, we def made tradeoffs back in those days. Just to acknowledge the holier than thou pro-Mick contingent.

All of that said, the last 2 years talent wasn't an issue. I thought those teams would be informative. What happens when you take the questions surrounding talent off the excuse table. What happens then?

Well, we all know what happened. The same ol same ol.

To Clifton's point, lack of adjustments, and a rigid/ stubborn adherence to a style of play among other things undercut us.




mc

Just as it is easy to cherry pick a few names that were special after the fact.

Be patient...

This year's team WILL have players that step up. They were recruited for their talent and potential.

(08-01-2018 06:41 AM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 03:29 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 02:43 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 02:28 PM)GoCats1994 Wrote:  

(07-31-2018 02:09 PM)Marcus Wrote:  Totally agree. The excuses have gotten absolutely ridiculous and downright pathetic. Like others have said, we don't have anyone on this roster outside of Cumberland who has the type of talent we had on our rosters throughout the 90's and early 2000's.

Curious - which players through the 90's and early 2000's are you referring to? I would like to think today's roster stacks up rather favorably to former players like Shawn Myrick, Michael Horton, Jackson Julson, BJ Grove.

I am not trying to be funny here...but be very careful of revisionist history. UC has had its stars through the years, and a lot of role players otherwise.

Cincy just had 3 of its top 4 players move on. Everyone else on the roster was asked to be a role player. Let's be a little patient to see how the next crop of guys respond. No one (NO ONE) would have predicted Justin Jackson's senior season, as an example.

Shawn Myrick and Michael Horton were role players on rosters that included Danny Fortson, Reuben Patterson, Kenyon Martin, Pete Mickeal, Mel Levett, etc. If today's roster stacks up to the group you mentioned we are in trouble.

This.

It's quite easy to cherry pick a couple of role player names, and present a case. However, a more true & thorough examination shows that we had some very special talent. Talent that exceeds what we have today.

To be fair, we def made tradeoffs back in those days. Just to acknowledge the holier than thou pro-Mick contingent.

All of that said, the last 2 years talent wasn't an issue. I thought those teams would be informative. What happens when you take the questions surrounding talent off the excuse table. What happens then?

Well, we all know what happened. The same ol same ol.

To Clifton's point, lack of adjustments, and a rigid/ stubborn adherence to a style of play among other things undercut us.




mc

Just as it is easy to cherry pick a few names that were special after the fact.

Be patient...

This year's team WILL have players that step up. They were recruited for their talent and potential.

Bolded, I don't disagree with this statement. Past history suggests this year's team will play hard, defend effectively, struggle to score at times, compete for an AAC regular season title...
and, earn a 7-9 seed, exiting the tournament the first weekend.

I think the collective angst with recruiting reflects a growing frustration from the March meltdown when Mick's most talented, well balanced UC team couldn't break through to the Sweet Sixteen. Had UC recruited just one "ready now" player at any position, along the lines of Evans and Cumberland, there would certainly be more excitement among fans for the '18/'19 season.

(07-31-2018 03:29 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  All of that said, the last 2 years talent wasn't an issue. I thought those teams would be informative. What happens when you take the questions surrounding talent off the excuse table. What happens then?

Well, we all know what happened. The same ol same ol.

To Clifton's point, lack of adjustments, and a rigid/ stubborn adherence to a style of play among other things undercut us.

They lost in the second round of the tournament. That's about the only way that this past season was "same ol same ol."

You guys used to complain that Cronin didn't win the conference title or the conference tournament or that his guys didn't get drafted and he didn't send guys to the pros.

that should about wrap it up for the 'eighteen recruiting cycle

(07-30-2018 09:42 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  XU's new head coach hasn't coached a game yet and he's already getting higher ranked recruits than Mick:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...862462002/

Followup on the x early commitment, evidently this kid is Kaiser Gates cousin.

We just landed a kid named Samari Curtis.

Edit: Wrong thread, go to 2019.

We just locked down the final piece to our 2018 class:

https://247sports.com/player/prince-gillam-46055278

247sports: unrated
Rivals: 3 star
ESPN: 3 star

Other reported offers are Nevada, Montana, Northwestern, and VCU. He was originally slated as a 2019 recruit, but graduated a year early. The (unexpected?) early graduation may be why he was still a bit under the radar. He is originally from the Congo, and was already good friends with Eliel Nsoseme.

(08-31-2018 07:45 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  247sports: unrated
Rivals: 3 star
ESPN: 3 star

Other reported offers are Nevada, Montana, Northwestern, and VCU. He was originally slated as a 2019 recruit, but graduated a year early. The (unexpected?) early graduation may be why he was still a bit under the radar. He is originally from the Congo, and was already good friends with Eliel Nsoseme.

I know Dayton had offered him as well earlier in the summer as well as a teammate of his in Fresno. I've seen some film of him, reminds me a great deal of Eric Martin although i would say he's more athletic.

Saw some video from a tournament earlier this summer. Very impressive. Hopefully this is a guy who would be a candidate to blow up if he weren't reclassifying. I find it interesting that we have two recruits in the same class from California. Don't know that we can make a habit of recruiting on the other side of the country.

Very surprising late get. Looking like two potential redshirt candidates this year then. Prince and LaQuill?

(08-31-2018 09:26 PM)socTHEgreat Wrote:  Very surprising late get. Looking like two potential redshirt candidates this year then. Prince and LaQuill?

I read and re-read this until it sank in that this was 2018. Awesome. Good offers, and that list could have gotten better as the year progressed.

(08-31-2018 10:32 PM)geef Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 09:26 PM)socTHEgreat Wrote:  Very surprising late get. Looking like two potential redshirt candidates this year then. Prince and LaQuill?

I read and re-read this until it sank in that this was 2018. Awesome. Good offers, and that list could have gotten better as the year progressed.

A solidly built young man with a pretty nice handle for a PF. Likes to drive to the basket and likes to block shots. Didn’t see a single jump shot in any of the videos I watched, though.

At 6’6” is he the next Eric Hicks?

Nice unexpected late add. Not sure how tall he is, different sites report 6'6", 6'7" or 6'8". He's got a wide body (like a bigger Cumberland), muscular and plenty of athleticism. Doesn't look like he has much of an outside shot, but he can hit from under 15 feet and can dribble. While he seems like an obvious redshirt because of how late he joined, I wouldn't be too surprised if he doesn't. He looks like he already has a body that can compete at college level.

would it make sense for him to redshirt if he reclassified?

(09-01-2018 09:17 AM)Lush Wrote:  would it make sense for him to redshirt if he reclassified?

I was wondering that as well. Why reclassify to redshirt? I can see some advantages, but it's not something commonly done.

Prince looks like he already has the body and toughness to play for Cronin. Coming in late will put him at a bit of a disadvantage, but he looks like he can play D and rebound, which is a good way to get on the court.

I'm thinking Brooks time/chances may be up. He is the only player we have who can't guard any position, can't run well and he looked terrible in Canada. That give us Nsoseme, Scott, Diarra, Gillam and Fredericks for the rotation at the 4 and 5.

(09-01-2018 09:52 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 09:17 AM)Lush Wrote:  would it make sense for him to redshirt if he reclassified?

I was wondering that as well. Why reclassify to redshirt? I can see some advantages, but it's not something commonly done.

Prince looks like he already has the body and toughness to play for Cronin. Coming in late will put him at a bit of a disadvantage, but he looks like he can play D and rebound, which is a good way to get on the court.

I'm thinking Brooks time/chances may be up. He is the only player we have who can't guard any position, can't run well and he looked terrible in Canada. That give us Nsoseme, Scott, Diarra, Gillam and Fredericks for the rotation at the 4 and 5.

You could look at it as a year to develop in a college program vs high school.