(08-15-2018 12:43 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 09:09 PM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  https://www.dentonrc.com/sports/unt-make...41a6c.html
UNT’s Head Football Coach, Men’s Basketball Coach, Women’s Basketball Coach, & Athletic Director all got a new contract.
Seth Littrell’s total compensation went from just under $1M last year to $1.4M this year. Another year was tacked on to his contract (goes through 2022). His buyout is $2.1M and goes to $1.68M after this season (would be the 8th highest buyout in the history of CFB).
Grant McCasland had an extension added. He gets an extra $20k for appearance fees & an extra $30k per year in a retention bonus. So he went from $500k last year to $550k this year.
Jalie Mitchell signed a 2 year extension (through 2021). Her pay is increased from $175k to $195k.
Wren Baker signed a 6 year contract. His pay was increased from $375k to $450k. He led us to our best fundraising year ever last year. The previous record was $4.7M, but last year our AD raised $8.9M.
Our University President (Neal Smatresk) is currently also being worked on for a new contract. How do these numbers relate to your school’s personnel. I think we’re now towards the top in most paying categories, so I’m curious where everyone else is.

I'm curious when you're going to start a baseball program. 9/29/18 can't get here fast enough. Maybe you'll raise Gino Hernandez and Gentleman Chris Adams from the dead to wrestle the One Man Gang and Kamala after our football game. Maybe Skandar Akbar can make a surprise appearance.

Give it a rest on the UNT baseball program. Maybe it has something to with CUSA TV money crashing to the ground. What was it, like $1 million (or close to it) one year, and last year it drops to $200,000. I would rather UNT get caught up in facilities (which we are currently doing). Anyone know what our distribution will be like this year?

I want baseball at UNT.

(08-15-2018 12:21 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  How concerned are you all that Tech will poach Littrell if/when Kingsbury gets the axe this fall/winter?

We've all become HUGE Texas Tech fans.

(08-15-2018 11:27 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 08:27 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 08:04 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  Here is what I could find in regards to how much other C-USA coaches are compensated. I know a couple other coaches got new contracts, and we have some new coaches, so if you know any of the ??? Please let me know.
Other C-USA Compensations:
Lane Kiffin: ??? He just got a new contract and I can’t find the exact numbers yet.
Frank Wilson: $1,137,500
Butch Davis: $900,000
Rick Stockstill: $801,504
Mike Sanford Jr.: $800,000
Mike Bloomgren: ???
Doc Holliday: $762,570
Skip Holtz: $700,000
Bobby Wilder: $650,000
Bill Clark: $630,000 ( I think he got a new contract though)
Brad Lamber: $625,000
Dana Dimel: ???
Jay Hopson: $500,000
I didn’t realize UTSA was paying Frank Wilson that much. His recruiting is good, but on the field he has been lackluster. Equally surprising is how little USM pays Hopson.

This isn't news to any USM fan. It's just what our finances have always allowed for without going broke...the 500-800k range. I think Bower was getting around 600k, Fedora got up around 800K (maybe even 9), Elloss Johnson (not sure), Monken was around 700K, and Hop is at 500k the lowest of any recent coach. But then again, Hop w/ his 500k salary has beaten his fair share of coaches who make 2-3-4-5 times as much as he does: Mark Stoops (3.9 mill), Frank Wilson (1.1 mill), Mark Hudspeth (1 mill). It is what is. USM does more with less than ANYONE in our conference and arguably in the country.

Ellis Johnson was getting $1M / year. We paid him $2M when we terminated his contract 2 years early. I believe Hop's contract is structured with a low base and many bonuses for performance/etc. I'm not sure what the max he could earn. If Hop started doing really well, I think he would get a good bump. If he doesn't, i think we'll pony up more $s for a new coach.

Anyway, nice job by UNT to make the moves to try to keep their HC around as long as possible.

I've heard from several people that Hop has the lower salary as he gave some of the original salary up so that the assistants could have a higher pay. Not sure how much we're talking but I'd guess somewhere in the 200k-300k range

(08-15-2018 02:14 PM)usm99 Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 11:27 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 08:27 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 08:04 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  Here is what I could find in regards to how much other C-USA coaches are compensated. I know a couple other coaches got new contracts, and we have some new coaches, so if you know any of the ??? Please let me know.
Other C-USA Compensations:
Lane Kiffin: ??? He just got a new contract and I can’t find the exact numbers yet.
Frank Wilson: $1,137,500
Butch Davis: $900,000
Rick Stockstill: $801,504
Mike Sanford Jr.: $800,000
Mike Bloomgren: ???
Doc Holliday: $762,570
Skip Holtz: $700,000
Bobby Wilder: $650,000
Bill Clark: $630,000 ( I think he got a new contract though)
Brad Lamber: $625,000
Dana Dimel: ???
Jay Hopson: $500,000
I didn’t realize UTSA was paying Frank Wilson that much. His recruiting is good, but on the field he has been lackluster. Equally surprising is how little USM pays Hopson.

This isn't news to any USM fan. It's just what our finances have always allowed for without going broke...the 500-800k range. I think Bower was getting around 600k, Fedora got up around 800K (maybe even 9), Elloss Johnson (not sure), Monken was around 700K, and Hop is at 500k the lowest of any recent coach. But then again, Hop w/ his 500k salary has beaten his fair share of coaches who make 2-3-4-5 times as much as he does: Mark Stoops (3.9 mill), Frank Wilson (1.1 mill), Mark Hudspeth (1 mill). It is what is. USM does more with less than ANYONE in our conference and arguably in the country.

Ellis Johnson was getting $1M / year. We paid him $2M when we terminated his contract 2 years early. I believe Hop's contract is structured with a low base and many bonuses for performance/etc. I'm not sure what the max he could earn. If Hop started doing really well, I think he would get a good bump. If he doesn't, i think we'll pony up more $s for a new coach.

Anyway, nice job by UNT to make the moves to try to keep their HC around as long as possible.

I've heard from several people that Hop has the lower salary as he gave some of the original salary up so that the assistants could have a higher pay. Not sure how much we're talking but I'd guess somewhere in the 200k-300k range

Looking at the staff salaries, I'm not sure if that is accurate. Just my opinion.

(08-15-2018 11:27 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 08:27 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 08:04 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  Here is what I could find in regards to how much other C-USA coaches are compensated. I know a couple other coaches got new contracts, and we have some new coaches, so if you know any of the ??? Please let me know.
Other C-USA Compensations:
Lane Kiffin: ??? He just got a new contract and I can’t find the exact numbers yet.
Frank Wilson: $1,137,500
Butch Davis: $900,000
Rick Stockstill: $801,504
Mike Sanford Jr.: $800,000
Mike Bloomgren: ???
Doc Holliday: $762,570
Skip Holtz: $700,000
Bobby Wilder: $650,000
Bill Clark: $630,000 ( I think he got a new contract though)
Brad Lamber: $625,000
Dana Dimel: ???
Jay Hopson: $500,000
I didn’t realize UTSA was paying Frank Wilson that much. His recruiting is good, but on the field he has been lackluster. Equally surprising is how little USM pays Hopson.

This isn't news to any USM fan. It's just what our finances have always allowed for without going broke...the 500-800k range. I think Bower was getting around 600k, Fedora got up around 800K (maybe even 9), Elloss Johnson (not sure), Monken was around 700K, and Hop is at 500k the lowest of any recent coach. But then again, Hop w/ his 500k salary has beaten his fair share of coaches who make 2-3-4-5 times as much as he does: Mark Stoops (3.9 mill), Frank Wilson (1.1 mill), Mark Hudspeth (1 mill). It is what is. USM does more with less than ANYONE in our conference and arguably in the country.

Ellis Johnson was getting $1M / year. We paid him $2M when we terminated his contract 2 years early. I believe Hop's contract is structured with a low base and many bonuses for performance/etc. I'm not sure what the max he could earn. If Hop started doing really well, I think he would get a good bump. If he doesn't, i think we'll pony up more $s for a new coach.

Anyway, nice job by UNT to make the moves to try to keep their HC around as long as possible.

I think most North Texas fans understand Littrell will leave for a P5 job at some point. I think our AD is trying to make sure that when Littrell leaves it is for a desirable P5 position, and the North Texas job becomes one of the more desirable positions among the G5s. We still have work to do, but things are happening. Facilities are going up. Recruiting is going up. Donations are going up. Now, salaries are going up too.

(08-15-2018 09:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I think most North Texas fans understand Littrell will leave for a P5 job at some point. I think our AD is trying to make sure that when Littrell leaves it is for a desirable P5 position, and the North Texas job becomes one of the more desirable positions among the G5s

Yep, unlikely he leaves for the Kansas/Wake Forest/Illinois type P5 jobs now, better to wait on what he REALLY wants. Also this prevents any G5 from even trying.

Also not only Mason Fine but 9 or 10 starters on Offense return yet again in 2019. There will be an gigantic senior bubble after 2019 season on both sides of the ball at NT, perfect time to move on then.

(08-15-2018 12:43 AM)deb025 Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 09:09 PM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  https://www.dentonrc.com/sports/unt-make...41a6c.html
UNT’s Head Football Coach, Men’s Basketball Coach, Women’s Basketball Coach, & Athletic Director all got a new contract.
Seth Littrell’s total compensation went from just under $1M last year to $1.4M this year. Another year was tacked on to his contract (goes through 2022). His buyout is $2.1M and goes to $1.68M after this season (would be the 8th highest buyout in the history of CFB).
Grant McCasland had an extension added. He gets an extra $20k for appearance fees & an extra $30k per year in a retention bonus. So he went from $500k last year to $550k this year.
Jalie Mitchell signed a 2 year extension (through 2021). Her pay is increased from $175k to $195k.
Wren Baker signed a 6 year contract. His pay was increased from $375k to $450k. He led us to our best fundraising year ever last year. The previous record was $4.7M, but last year our AD raised $8.9M.
Our University President (Neal Smatresk) is currently also being worked on for a new contract. How do these numbers relate to your school’s personnel. I think we’re now towards the top in most paying categories, so I’m curious where everyone else is.

I'm curious when you're going to start a baseball program. 9/29/18 can't get here fast enough. Maybe you'll raise Gino Hernandez and Gentleman Chris Adams from the dead to wrestle the One Man Gang and Kamala after our football game. Maybe Skandar Akbar can make a surprise appearance.

I would pay to see that!

Still waiting on the Baseball Bonanza thread....

(08-15-2018 11:12 PM)Curtzilla Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 09:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I think most North Texas fans understand Littrell will leave for a P5 job at some point. I think our AD is trying to make sure that when Littrell leaves it is for a desirable P5 position, and the North Texas job becomes one of the more desirable positions among the G5s

Yep, unlikely he leaves for the Kansas/Wake Forest/Illinois type P5 jobs now, better to wait on what he REALLY wants. Also this prevents any G5 from even trying.

Also not only Mason Fine but 9 or 10 starters on Offense return yet again in 2019. There will be an gigantic senior bubble after 2019 season on both sides of the ball at NT, perfect time to move on then.

Dont be foolish, Kansas offers him 3 or 4 million he's gone. Texas Tech is not desirable either you ever been to Lubbock?

Good stuff. UNT looks to be making a real commitment to athletics.

I didn't catch much UNT basketball but the crowd looked great against San Francisco in that tournament. We need more of that across the league. It's painful to get exposure and then the country sees empty seats.

(08-16-2018 07:45 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 11:12 PM)Curtzilla Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 09:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I think most North Texas fans understand Littrell will leave for a P5 job at some point. I think our AD is trying to make sure that when Littrell leaves it is for a desirable P5 position, and the North Texas job becomes one of the more desirable positions among the G5s

Yep, unlikely he leaves for the Kansas/Wake Forest/Illinois type P5 jobs now, better to wait on what he REALLY wants. Also this prevents any G5 from even trying.

Also not only Mason Fine but 9 or 10 starters on Offense return yet again in 2019. There will be an gigantic senior bubble after 2019 season on both sides of the ball at NT, perfect time to move on then.

Dont be foolish, Kansas offers him 3 or 4 million he's gone. Texas Tech is not desirable either you ever been to Lubbock?

You need to read more. North Texas will be paying Littrell a total of $1.4 million a season now. Kansas pays Beaty $1.6 million a season, and they have shown no interest in significantly increasing that amount for the next coach. Maybe they are content to be a basketball school. It is unlikely Littrell would leave North Texas to take on the Kansas project for $200k more a year.

Littrell would be better off waiting for a bigger offer, like Texas Tech. They would certainly pay their next coach 3 or 4 million, but for that kind of money, they may want to see bigger skins on the wall then what Littrell currently has (currently a 14-13 head coaching record and 2 bowl losses). That isn't a knock on Littrell either. He is certainly changing things for the better at UNT. Just saying Tech may want to see more before they make that kind of offer. The 2018 season might provide enough evidence for the Raiders. Personally, I'm hoping Texas Tech wins the Big 12 and Kingsbury signs a nice long extension.

I don't consider paying coaches a lot of money as some badge of honor or pride. I believe salaries for these guys are idiotic given that over 98% of all colleges lose money on athletics and these large payouts on coaches is what has led to things like "full attendance cost" for athletes (leading to even larger losses for schools).

The top paid government employee in nearly every state shouldn't be football and basketball coaches.

(08-16-2018 10:00 PM)banker Wrote:  I don't consider paying coaches a lot of money as some badge of honor or pride. I believe salaries for these guys are idiotic given that over 98% of all colleges lose money on athletics and these large payouts on coaches is what has led to things like "full attendance cost" for athletes (leading to even larger losses for schools).

The top paid government employee in nearly every state shouldn't be football and basketball coaches.

I totally agree, but this is the system we have at the FBS level. The only options are moving down to the FCS or dropping football. No one in C-USA is going to do either of those.

The one big takeaway for me is that we're showing other potential HC candidates(after Littrell leaves) that we're willing to pay top dollar for big time G5 coaching talent. We're serious about long term commitment to superb athletics.

(08-16-2018 10:00 PM)banker Wrote:  I don't consider paying coaches a lot of money as some badge of honor or pride. I believe salaries for these guys are idiotic given that over 98% of all colleges lose money on athletics and these large payouts on coaches is what has led to things like "full attendance cost" for athletes (leading to even larger losses for schools).

The top paid government employee in nearly every state shouldn't be football and basketball coaches.

Yes the salaries are crazy, but still might be worth it, even while losing money. If a team loses $20M with a $500k coach, but only loses $10M with a $2M coach, its worth the money.

Coaches' salary is generally not the expense that causes a sport to lose money.

Followup, I believe I saw a story where UNT athletic donations were at an all time high. The donation increase was much higher than the salary increase. Higher expenses in coaching salaries are worth it if they are more than offset by higher revenues

(08-17-2018 11:31 AM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  Followup, I believe I saw a story where UNT athletic donations were at an all time high. The donation increase was much higher than the salary increase. Higher expenses in coaching salaries are worth it if they are more than offset by higher revenues

Yeah our previous record high for athletic fundraising was around $4.7M, but last year we raised around $8.9M. We blew our previous record high out of the water. I’m hoping with another successful year we can beat that $8.9M too. Also the student fee got a nice increase (I think it’s like $4.50/credit hour) so that will give us an additional $4M per year. So in this last year we expanded our athletics coffer by about $8M. That should put us over $40M per year now.

(08-17-2018 11:27 AM)NTXCoog12 Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 10:00 PM)banker Wrote:  I don't consider paying coaches a lot of money as some badge of honor or pride. I believe salaries for these guys are idiotic given that over 98% of all colleges lose money on athletics and these large payouts on coaches is what has led to things like "full attendance cost" for athletes (leading to even larger losses for schools).

The top paid government employee in nearly every state shouldn't be football and basketball coaches.

Yes the salaries are crazy, but still might be worth it, even while losing money. If a team loses $20M with a $500k coach, but only loses $10M with a $2M coach, its worth the money.

Coaches' salary is generally not the expense that causes a sport to lose money.

Thanks, Coach.

(08-15-2018 11:27 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 08:27 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 08:04 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  Here is what I could find in regards to how much other C-USA coaches are compensated. I know a couple other coaches got new contracts, and we have some new coaches, so if you know any of the ??? Please let me know.
Other C-USA Compensations:
Lane Kiffin: ??? He just got a new contract and I can’t find the exact numbers yet.
Frank Wilson: $1,137,500
Butch Davis: $900,000
Rick Stockstill: $801,504
Mike Sanford Jr.: $800,000
Mike Bloomgren: ???
Doc Holliday: $762,570
Skip Holtz: $700,000
Bobby Wilder: $650,000
Bill Clark: $630,000 ( I think he got a new contract though)
Brad Lamber: $625,000
Dana Dimel: ???
Jay Hopson: $500,000
I didn’t realize UTSA was paying Frank Wilson that much. His recruiting is good, but on the field he has been lackluster. Equally surprising is how little USM pays Hopson.

This isn't news to any USM fan. It's just what our finances have always allowed for without going broke...the 500-800k range. I think Bower was getting around 600k, Fedora got up around 800K (maybe even 9), Elloss Johnson (not sure), Monken was around 700K, and Hop is at 500k the lowest of any recent coach. But then again, Hop w/ his 500k salary has beaten his fair share of coaches who make 2-3-4-5 times as much as he does: Mark Stoops (3.9 mill), Frank Wilson (1.1 mill), Mark Hudspeth (1 mill). It is what is. USM does more with less than ANYONE in our conference and arguably in the country.

Ellis Johnson was getting $1M / year. We paid him $2M when we terminated his contract 2 years early. I believe Hop's contract is structured with a low base and many bonuses for performance/etc. I'm not sure what the max he could earn. If Hop started doing really well, I think he would get a good bump. If he doesn't, i think we'll pony up more $s for a new coach.

Anyway, nice job by UNT to make the moves to try to keep their HC around as long as possible.

Eloss's base was 700k, we had 2 head coaches on the payroll for 3 years

What is a coach really worth? I would argue that there are only about 10 FBS coaches that are really difference makers in a positive way and about 40 that are difference makers in a negative way. Everybody else is just average, maybe a plus one or minus one in the win column versus any other coach you would pick.

Let's say that Marshall thought Doc was a good coach and wanted to keep him pretty bad. So they think paying him $1.5MM instead of $800k will do that. Does that make him a better coach? No, just a richer one. If he really is a difference maker type coach then some P5 can pay him 3-4 million more, so how is $1.5MM going to keep him around any better than $800k.

If I were an AD for a G5 my strategy would be that I don't care if I have to hire a new coach every 4-5 years. I would keep a working list of FCS head coaches and innovative assistants who are more interested in the opportunity than the money (they will be getting a huge raise regardless at $800k). I then take that extra $700,000 a year and plow it into facilities to make the opportunity more appealing as opposed to the salary.