(08-13-2018 11:24 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:12 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  So any conception of gray or grey is indelibly attached to Confederate Gray? As a person of color, I am completely baffled by this logic. We all know what the Rice preferred color scheme says: Confederate gray with a tinge of lavender. I also know that William M. Rice was not partial to POC with regard to the charter. But the man is dead, therefore, let his bigotry rot in the grave with him. The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy. If Rice University circa 2018 feels that strongly about this issue, then we need to remove gray as our secondary color and pick a secondary color that we will actually use. Otherwise, get some dang gray pants and utilize a color is that is actually a part of our color scheme; as opposed to half of college football today.

Also, I am not a fan of the full re-brand. I like the Owls, I dislike the "Rice" in motion as well as the numbers...but it's a non-issue.

Completely agree about the gray, but I do love the solid blue that we wear at home. It's a tradition we should stick with consistently. Definitely incorporate some gray beyond just the facemask.

I do like the solid blue home unis. They've been around a long time and I think it's a "Rice" look, even to other people.
First time I ever saw a Rice game in 1957, we were in all blue. I may be wrong, but I can't think of too many other teams with that look.

(08-13-2018 08:57 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:24 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:12 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  So any conception of gray or grey is indelibly attached to Confederate Gray? As a person of color, I am completely baffled by this logic. We all know what the Rice preferred color scheme says: Confederate gray with a tinge of lavender. I also know that William M. Rice was not partial to POC with regard to the charter. But the man is dead, therefore, let his bigotry rot in the grave with him. The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy. If Rice University circa 2018 feels that strongly about this issue, then we need to remove gray as our secondary color and pick a secondary color that we will actually use. Otherwise, get some dang gray pants and utilize a color is that is actually a part of our color scheme; as opposed to half of college football today.

Also, I am not a fan of the full re-brand. I like the Owls, I dislike the "Rice" in motion as well as the numbers...but it's a non-issue.

Completely agree about the gray, but I do love the solid blue that we wear at home. It's a tradition we should stick with consistently. Definitely incorporate some gray beyond just the facemask.

I do like the solid blue home unis. They've been around a long time and I think it's a "Rice" look, even to other people.
First time I ever saw a Rice game in 1957, we were in all blue. I may be wrong, but I can't think of too many other teams with that look.

So GreyOwl72 (and anyone else who can answer), how much gray did Rice actually implement in the football uniforms back in the day? My first experience is during the Bert Emmanuel era of uniforms (Blue helmet with silver/gray wings, Blue jersey, and silver/gray pants).

As an aside, I wouldn't mind the all blue look if we brought these uniforms back in some form...especially the gray stripe on the helmet:

As I recall, the all blue look "back in the day" was pretty basic. White, not gray, numerals on the jerseys and helmets. I don't even think there was a logo on the helmet. Think Penn State style. I don't think there was any gray at all.

(08-13-2018 09:24 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 08:57 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:24 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:12 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  So any conception of gray or grey is indelibly attached to Confederate Gray? As a person of color, I am completely baffled by this logic. We all know what the Rice preferred color scheme says: Confederate gray with a tinge of lavender. I also know that William M. Rice was not partial to POC with regard to the charter. But the man is dead, therefore, let his bigotry rot in the grave with him. The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy. If Rice University circa 2018 feels that strongly about this issue, then we need to remove gray as our secondary color and pick a secondary color that we will actually use. Otherwise, get some dang gray pants and utilize a color is that is actually a part of our color scheme; as opposed to half of college football today.

Also, I am not a fan of the full re-brand. I like the Owls, I dislike the "Rice" in motion as well as the numbers...but it's a non-issue.

Completely agree about the gray, but I do love the solid blue that we wear at home. It's a tradition we should stick with consistently. Definitely incorporate some gray beyond just the facemask.

I do like the solid blue home unis. They've been around a long time and I think it's a "Rice" look, even to other people.
First time I ever saw a Rice game in 1957, we were in all blue. I may be wrong, but I can't think of too many other teams with that look.

So GreyOwl72 (and anyone else who can answer), how much gray did Rice actually implement in the football uniforms back in the day? My first experience is during the Bert Emmanuel era of uniforms (Blue helmet with silver/gray wings, Blue jersey, and silver/gray pants).

As an aside, I wouldn't mind the all blue look if we brought these uniforms back in some form...especially the gray stripe on the helmet:

This is a what could’ve been photo in so many ways haha.

(08-13-2018 09:24 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 08:57 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:24 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:12 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  So any conception of gray or grey is indelibly attached to Confederate Gray? As a person of color, I am completely baffled by this logic. We all know what the Rice preferred color scheme says: Confederate gray with a tinge of lavender. I also know that William M. Rice was not partial to POC with regard to the charter. But the man is dead, therefore, let his bigotry rot in the grave with him. The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy. If Rice University circa 2018 feels that strongly about this issue, then we need to remove gray as our secondary color and pick a secondary color that we will actually use. Otherwise, get some dang gray pants and utilize a color is that is actually a part of our color scheme; as opposed to half of college football today.

Also, I am not a fan of the full re-brand. I like the Owls, I dislike the "Rice" in motion as well as the numbers...but it's a non-issue.

Completely agree about the gray, but I do love the solid blue that we wear at home. It's a tradition we should stick with consistently. Definitely incorporate some gray beyond just the facemask.

I do like the solid blue home unis. They've been around a long time and I think it's a "Rice" look, even to other people.
First time I ever saw a Rice game in 1957, we were in all blue. I may be wrong, but I can't think of too many other teams with that look.

So GreyOwl72 (and anyone else who can answer), how much gray did Rice actually implement in the football uniforms back in the day? My first experience is during the Bert Emmanuel era of uniforms (Blue helmet with silver/gray wings, Blue jersey, and silver/gray pants).

As an aside, I wouldn't mind the all blue look if we brought these uniforms back in some form...especially the gray stripe on the helmet:

Those are perfect in every way to me. Love those! The stripes on the pants and the single stripe on the helmet is just right.

I also remember the Goldsmith era uniform as the only one with gray/silver pants. Those were very sharp uniforms. Before that, we only wore white or blue pants, but mostly always white. I've never been a fan of the white pants. The solid blue looks intimidating if you ask me. It's a tough/hard look. It matches the new attitude.

(08-13-2018 09:59 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 09:50 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 09:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I'm surprised a single coach could have that much influence. I would have thought that our athletic apparel partner and Public Affairs office (which oversees our branding) would pretty much rule that roost.

Until relatively recently, each team had rights to do whatever they wanted. We had some 8 different logos on our various jersey. Only recently did the AD and team consolidate to standardized branding.

So it is possible that someone wielded large amounts of influence in a sphere that they likely knew little about. Each sport was its own little branding fiefdom.

Now, the question is who arrived in 2007, departed in 2018 and was an assistant coach?

Patterson

Also interesting comparing the staff titles from last year to this year. We’ve added 2 assistant S&C coaches. We now have a “NFL liaison”. We have a director of football recruiting in addition to a recruiting coordinator. We have a football chief of staff.

Not to scare anyone but we don’t have any “quality control” coaches anymore!

Before cr11 posted above the answer to my Q, I pulled the staff lists from 2007 and 2017. Interesting that it has almost doubled in size.

Re: Patterson - Wish he had spent more time on trying to not be a bottom tier defense than worry about the color of uniforms.

Wonder where our "quality control" coaches went. Did they go back to Takata, BP/Transocean or Kobe Steel?

(08-13-2018 09:24 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 08:57 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:24 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:12 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  So any conception of gray or grey is indelibly attached to Confederate Gray? As a person of color, I am completely baffled by this logic. We all know what the Rice preferred color scheme says: Confederate gray with a tinge of lavender. I also know that William M. Rice was not partial to POC with regard to the charter. But the man is dead, therefore, let his bigotry rot in the grave with him. The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy. If Rice University circa 2018 feels that strongly about this issue, then we need to remove gray as our secondary color and pick a secondary color that we will actually use. Otherwise, get some dang gray pants and utilize a color is that is actually a part of our color scheme; as opposed to half of college football today.

Also, I am not a fan of the full re-brand. I like the Owls, I dislike the "Rice" in motion as well as the numbers...but it's a non-issue.

Completely agree about the gray, but I do love the solid blue that we wear at home. It's a tradition we should stick with consistently. Definitely incorporate some gray beyond just the facemask.

I do like the solid blue home unis. They've been around a long time and I think it's a "Rice" look, even to other people.
First time I ever saw a Rice game in 1957, we were in all blue. I may be wrong, but I can't think of too many other teams with that look.

So GreyOwl72 (and anyone else who can answer), how much gray did Rice actually implement in the football uniforms back in the day? My first experience is during the Bert Emmanuel era of uniforms (Blue helmet with silver/gray wings, Blue jersey, and silver/gray pants).

As an aside, I wouldn't mind the all blue look if we brought these uniforms back in some form...especially the gray stripe on the helmet:

Those were the throwback uniforms Rice wore against UTSA in 2012 for the Centennial Homecoming Game. The helmets had the players' numbers on the side of the helmet. I always thought they looked pretty sharp.

(08-14-2018 04:20 PM)Pimpa Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 09:24 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 08:57 PM)greyowl72 Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:24 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 11:12 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  So any conception of gray or grey is indelibly attached to Confederate Gray? As a person of color, I am completely baffled by this logic. We all know what the Rice preferred color scheme says: Confederate gray with a tinge of lavender. I also know that William M. Rice was not partial to POC with regard to the charter. But the man is dead, therefore, let his bigotry rot in the grave with him. The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy. If Rice University circa 2018 feels that strongly about this issue, then we need to remove gray as our secondary color and pick a secondary color that we will actually use. Otherwise, get some dang gray pants and utilize a color is that is actually a part of our color scheme; as opposed to half of college football today.

Also, I am not a fan of the full re-brand. I like the Owls, I dislike the "Rice" in motion as well as the numbers...but it's a non-issue.

Completely agree about the gray, but I do love the solid blue that we wear at home. It's a tradition we should stick with consistently. Definitely incorporate some gray beyond just the facemask.

I do like the solid blue home unis. They've been around a long time and I think it's a "Rice" look, even to other people.
First time I ever saw a Rice game in 1957, we were in all blue. I may be wrong, but I can't think of too many other teams with that look.

So GreyOwl72 (and anyone else who can answer), how much gray did Rice actually implement in the football uniforms back in the day? My first experience is during the Bert Emmanuel era of uniforms (Blue helmet with silver/gray wings, Blue jersey, and silver/gray pants).

As an aside, I wouldn't mind the all blue look if we brought these uniforms back in some form...especially the gray stripe on the helmet:

Those were the throwback uniforms Rice wore against UTSA in 2012 for the Centennial Homecoming Game. The helmets had the players' numbers on the side of the helmet. I always thought they looked pretty sharp.

Indeed. We ended up wearing the pants up until 2014. And we wore the helmet on the road against Tulsa in 2012 (heartbreaking loss). To my knowledge, we never wore the jersey again.

(08-13-2018 09:50 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(08-13-2018 09:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I'm surprised a single coach could have that much influence. I would have thought that our athletic apparel partner and Public Affairs office (which oversees our branding) would pretty much rule that roost.

Until relatively recently, each team had rights to do whatever they wanted. We had some 8 different logos on our various jersey. Only recently did the AD and team consolidate to standardized branding.

So it is possible that someone wielded large amounts of influence in a sphere that they likely knew little about. Each sport was its own little branding fiefdom.

That is a formula that spells trouble.

My general experience with branding and graphic design suggests a few principles:
Rule #1: If it's not you're primary job, you're probably not very good at it, (no matter how much you think you are), and you should leave it to people who are.
Rule #2: Too many people -- perhaps especially in sports -- don't understand rule #1.
Rule #3: Yes, rules 1 and 2 apply to coaches too.

Yes the 50’s unis did have the player’s number on the helmet. The end of he ‘57 Aggie game.

All those fans!

(08-15-2018 02:14 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Yes the 50’s unis did have the player’s number on the helmet. The end of he ‘57 Aggie game.

In that case, I would love to see the following:
1. Revive and update the 2012 Centennial uniforms for home coming or rival games and a matching uniform for games on the road, either all Gray or all White with the same design cues (pants having a single stripe, jerseys having sleeve strips)
2. Add a pair of basic gray pants as part of the home uniforms
3. Add a Navy stripe to the White helmet, and a Gray stripe to the Blue helmet
4. Continue the new tradition of adding small "Owl" heads to helmets for achievement.

(08-15-2018 03:09 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 02:14 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Yes the 50’s unis did have the player’s number on the helmet. The end of he ‘57 Aggie game.

In that case, I would love to see the following:
1. Revive and update the 2012 Centennial uniforms for home coming or rival games and a matching uniform for games on the road, either all Gray or all White with the same design cues (pants having a single stripe, jerseys having sleeve strips)
2. Add a pair of basic gray pants as part of the home uniforms
3. Add a Navy stripe to the White helmet, and a Gray stripe to the Blue helmet
4. Continue the new tradition of adding small "Owl" heads to helmets for achievement.

Simple is good. Uniforms these days have too much glitter and flare. It's gaudy. There are too many uniform options to muck up the brand. I respect the schools like Oklahoma and Texas who stick with their traditional look.

(08-16-2018 03:11 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 03:09 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(08-15-2018 02:14 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Yes the 50’s unis did have the player’s number on the helmet. The end of he ‘57 Aggie game.

In that case, I would love to see the following:
1. Revive and update the 2012 Centennial uniforms for home coming or rival games and a matching uniform for games on the road, either all Gray or all White with the same design cues (pants having a single stripe, jerseys having sleeve strips)
2. Add a pair of basic gray pants as part of the home uniforms
3. Add a Navy stripe to the White helmet, and a Gray stripe to the Blue helmet
4. Continue the new tradition of adding small "Owl" heads to helmets for achievement.

Simple is good. Uniforms these days have too much glitter and flare. It's gaudy. There are too many uniform options to muck up the brand. I respect the schools like Oklahoma and Texas who stick with their traditional look.

Almost all of the traditional powers keep the same look and maybe throw in 1 alternate per season (I think Nike started the alternate battle uniform trend). PSU OSU Bama Auburn USC Wisconsin UT OU etc pretty much look the same every week... it’s schools like TCU and Oregon and Maryland that add a bunch of combos for attention

Still the best was blue pants and jerseys with the winged owl.

(08-18-2018 10:35 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  Still the best was blue pants and jerseys with the winged owl.

But as a Rice athletics logo, the wing has two weaknesses:
(1) It signifies Owls, not Rice. The brand we should be trying to build is Rice.
(2) It does not allow for consistency across sports, or even across different media. The wing works in one placement only: a football helmet. It does not work on any other sports uniform; not on a coach's jacket; not on a website or marketing collateral.

(08-18-2018 10:35 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  Still the best was blue pants and jerseys with the winged owl.

Those were beautiful helmets.

MORE COWBELL !!!!! (I mean, Gray)

I think the Owls are set up to fit the trend of today on their uniform. What has driven me crazy is the notion that colors that aren't your school colors are somehow appropriate. For example, when Texas Tech wears grey....WHY? the only way to screw up red and black is with grey... Oregon- when they wear black or a color other than green, yellow, or white it is ridiculous.

But Rice.. more than anyone... could go to grey and it would totally work. I'd love to see them have white, navy, and grey hats, helmets, and pants and just mix them up week to week.

(08-23-2018 10:35 AM)Neelys Ghost Wrote:  But Rice.. more than anyone... could go to grey and it would totally work. I'd love to see them have white, navy, and grey hats, helmets, and pants and just mix them up week to week.

Agree. Matte Gray helmets would look incredible as well.

Gray - blue - gray for home and Gray - gray - blue for away with Gray - white - blue/gray as an alternate.

The white helmets need to die.