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(08-12-2018 02:34 PM)talon owl Wrote:  Thanks ricefight, but our new unis don't look like the primeknit ones in the linked article. They don't look like the old shockweb either. Not sure what they are, some sort of budget / knockoff?

PS - be that as it may, they look fine and finally after multiple years of the home and aways not matching in design, at least that has been fixed.

Tanner was the one who said they were the Primeknit. I agree they don't look quite as ribbed as the ones in the article, but I'm not one to argue with what someone more in the know than I says.
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They couldn't be more plain looking - I hate them. Why is it so difficult to incorporate some gray?
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(08-12-2018 11:03 PM)wrysal Wrote:  They couldn't be more plain looking - I hate them. Why is it so difficult to incorporate some gray?

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(08-12-2018 11:03 PM)wrysal Wrote:  They couldn't be more plain looking - I hate them. Why is it so difficult to incorporate some gray?

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Hah. So it's ok for the volleyball team but not the football team?
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(08-13-2018 06:15 AM)talon owl Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:29 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:03 PM)wrysal Wrote:  They couldn't be more plain looking - I hate them. Why is it so difficult to incorporate some gray?

SJWs

Hah. So it's ok for the volleyball team but not the football team?

All I’m saying is that there’s been discussion of it in the past and that was one of the stumbling blocks.

Just the other day some people on a Rice Facebook group were complaining about gray being in our color scheme.
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(08-13-2018 07:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 06:15 AM)talon owl Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:29 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:03 PM)wrysal Wrote:  They couldn't be more plain looking - I hate them. Why is it so difficult to incorporate some gray?

SJWs

Hah. So it's ok for the volleyball team but not the football team?

All I’m saying is that there’s been discussion of it in the past and that was one of the stumbling blocks.

Just the other day some people on a Rice Facebook group were complaining about gray being in our color scheme.

So some sports teams currently use the Confederate Gray, but the football team doesn't because of so-called "SJWs"? Wouldn't that impact trickle down to all sports?

And who have the discussions you allude to been between regarding the football team using gray? For what it's worth, we've had gray in our uniforms as recently as 2006.
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(08-13-2018 08:59 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 07:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 06:15 AM)talon owl Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:29 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:03 PM)wrysal Wrote:  They couldn't be more plain looking - I hate them. Why is it so difficult to incorporate some gray?

SJWs

Hah. So it's ok for the volleyball team but not the football team?

All I’m saying is that there’s been discussion of it in the past and that was one of the stumbling blocks.

Just the other day some people on a Rice Facebook group were complaining about gray being in our color scheme.

So some sports teams currently use the Confederate Gray, but the football team doesn't because of so-called "SJWs"? Wouldn't that impact trickle down to all sports?

And who have the discussions you allude to been between regarding the football team using gray? For what it's worth, we've had gray in our uniforms as recently as 2006.

Rice renamed college masters for a similarly inane reason. While we still hand out masters degrees, the quantum leap of logic to be offended took precedence.

Would not surprise me if the color gray is now being black listed (or should it be gray listed) for similar levels of mental gymnastics.
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(08-13-2018 09:17 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 08:59 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 07:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 06:15 AM)talon owl Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:29 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  SJWs

Hah. So it's ok for the volleyball team but not the football team?

All I’m saying is that there’s been discussion of it in the past and that was one of the stumbling blocks.

Just the other day some people on a Rice Facebook group were complaining about gray being in our color scheme.

So some sports teams currently use the Confederate Gray, but the football team doesn't because of so-called "SJWs"? Wouldn't that impact trickle down to all sports?

And who have the discussions you allude to been between regarding the football team using gray? For what it's worth, we've had gray in our uniforms as recently as 2006.

Rice renamed college masters for a similarly inane reason. While we still hand out masters degrees, the quantum leap of logic to be offended took precedence.

Would not surprise me if the color gray is now being black listed (or should it be gray listed) for similar levels of mental gymnastics.

In your example, the term "Master" was used for two different contexts (one denoting a degree title, the other a person's "job" title). Whereas with the uniforms, one is a gray baseball uniform (we wore gray in 2017 per Google, and I imagine we did so in 2018) and the other is a non-gray football uniform.

It's not the conversation I'm talking about that doesn't make sense, it's the logic that says gray is OK for one sport, but not for another, that makes absolutely no sense. I don't care to try and talk about whether there's a sound argument behind the Master's name change or not wearing gray.
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(08-13-2018 08:59 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 07:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 06:15 AM)talon owl Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:29 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:03 PM)wrysal Wrote:  They couldn't be more plain looking - I hate them. Why is it so difficult to incorporate some gray?

SJWs

Hah. So it's ok for the volleyball team but not the football team?

All I’m saying is that there’s been discussion of it in the past and that was one of the stumbling blocks.

Just the other day some people on a Rice Facebook group were complaining about gray being in our color scheme.

So some sports teams currently use the Confederate Gray, but the football team doesn't because of so-called "SJWs"? Wouldn't that impact trickle down to all sports?

And who have the discussions you allude to been between regarding the football team using gray? For what it's worth, we've had gray in our uniforms as recently as 2006.

2007 coincided with the arrival of an assistant coach who started the anti-gray movement.

That assistant coach departed Rice with the change of staff... Unsure if his influence has remained in this facet.
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(08-13-2018 09:37 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 08:59 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 07:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 06:15 AM)talon owl Wrote:  
(08-12-2018 11:29 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  SJWs

Hah. So it's ok for the volleyball team but not the football team?

All I’m saying is that there’s been discussion of it in the past and that was one of the stumbling blocks.

Just the other day some people on a Rice Facebook group were complaining about gray being in our color scheme.

So some sports teams currently use the Confederate Gray, but the football team doesn't because of so-called "SJWs"? Wouldn't that impact trickle down to all sports?

And who have the discussions you allude to been between regarding the football team using gray? For what it's worth, we've had gray in our uniforms as recently as 2006.

2007 coincided with the arrival of an assistant coach who started the anti-gray movement.

That assistant coach departed Rice with the change of staff... Unsure if his influence has remained in this facet.

Ah, so hardly some systemic issue that actually had some legitimate traction.

I'm surprised a single coach could have that much influence. I would have thought that our athletic apparel partner and Public Affairs office (which oversees our branding) would pretty much rule that roost.
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(08-13-2018 09:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I'm surprised a single coach could have that much influence. I would have thought that our athletic apparel partner and Public Affairs office (which oversees our branding) would pretty much rule that roost.

Until relatively recently, each team had rights to do whatever they wanted. We had some 8 different logos on our various jersey. Only recently did the AD and team consolidate to standardized branding.

So it is possible that someone wielded large amounts of influence in a sphere that they likely knew little about. Each sport was its own little branding fiefdom.

Now, the question is who arrived in 2007, departed in 2018 and was an assistant coach? 05-mafia
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(08-13-2018 09:50 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 09:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I'm surprised a single coach could have that much influence. I would have thought that our athletic apparel partner and Public Affairs office (which oversees our branding) would pretty much rule that roost.

Until relatively recently, each team had rights to do whatever they wanted. We had some 8 different logos on our various jersey. Only recently did the AD and team consolidate to standardized branding.

So it is possible that someone wielded large amounts of influence in a sphere that they likely knew little about. Each sport was its own little branding fiefdom.

Now, the question is who arrived in 2007, departed in 2018 and was an assistant coach? 05-mafia

Patterson

Also interesting comparing the staff titles from last year to this year. We’ve added 2 assistant S&C coaches. We now have a “NFL liaison”. We have a director of football recruiting in addition to a recruiting coordinator. We have a football chief of staff.

Not to scare anyone but we don’t have any “quality control” coaches anymore!
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(08-13-2018 09:23 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 09:17 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 08:59 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 07:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 06:15 AM)talon owl Wrote:  Hah. So it's ok for the volleyball team but not the football team?

All I’m saying is that there’s been discussion of it in the past and that was one of the stumbling blocks.

Just the other day some people on a Rice Facebook group were complaining about gray being in our color scheme.

So some sports teams currently use the Confederate Gray, but the football team doesn't because of so-called "SJWs"? Wouldn't that impact trickle down to all sports?

And who have the discussions you allude to been between regarding the football team using gray? For what it's worth, we've had gray in our uniforms as recently as 2006.

Rice renamed college masters for a similarly inane reason. While we still hand out masters degrees, the quantum leap of logic to be offended took precedence.

Would not surprise me if the color gray is now being black listed (or should it be gray listed) for similar levels of mental gymnastics.

In your example, the term "Master" was used for two different contexts (one denoting a degree title, the other a person's "job" title). Whereas with the uniforms, one is a gray baseball uniform (we wore gray in 2017 per Google, and I imagine we did so in 2018) and the other is a non-gray football uniform.

It's not the conversation I'm talking about that doesn't make sense, it's the logic that says gray is OK for one sport, but not for another, that makes absolutely no sense. I don't care to try and talk about whether there's a sound argument behind the Master's name change or not wearing gray.

In can be illogical, and yet be true.

Do you believe your own eyes? Football uniforms lack grey, uniforms in some other sports do not.
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(08-13-2018 09:59 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 09:50 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 09:42 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I'm surprised a single coach could have that much influence. I would have thought that our athletic apparel partner and Public Affairs office (which oversees our branding) would pretty much rule that roost.

Until relatively recently, each team had rights to do whatever they wanted. We had some 8 different logos on our various jersey. Only recently did the AD and team consolidate to standardized branding.

So it is possible that someone wielded large amounts of influence in a sphere that they likely knew little about. Each sport was its own little branding fiefdom.

Now, the question is who arrived in 2007, departed in 2018 and was an assistant coach? 05-mafia

Patterson

Also interesting comparing the staff titles from last year to this year. We’ve added 2 assistant S&C coaches. We now have a “NFL liaison”. We have a director of football recruiting in addition to a recruiting coordinator. We have a football chief of staff.

Not to scare anyone but we don’t have any “quality control” coaches anymore!

What does an "NFL liaison" do?
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(08-13-2018 10:16 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  What does an "NFL liaison" do?

Coordinate scouting visits, film reviews, NFL days, and other interactions with professional football. It's a real job. But it's also largely a title for show, to convince recruits that you can go to Rice and end up in the NFL.

Nick Saban has pretty much written the book on additions to staff that are not coaches.
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(08-13-2018 10:16 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 09:23 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 09:17 AM)Antarius Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 08:59 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(08-13-2018 07:54 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  All I’m saying is that there’s been discussion of it in the past and that was one of the stumbling blocks.

Just the other day some people on a Rice Facebook group were complaining about gray being in our color scheme.

So some sports teams currently use the Confederate Gray, but the football team doesn't because of so-called "SJWs"? Wouldn't that impact trickle down to all sports?

And who have the discussions you allude to been between regarding the football team using gray? For what it's worth, we've had gray in our uniforms as recently as 2006.

Rice renamed college masters for a similarly inane reason. While we still hand out masters degrees, the quantum leap of logic to be offended took precedence.

Would not surprise me if the color gray is now being black listed (or should it be gray listed) for similar levels of mental gymnastics.

In your example, the term "Master" was used for two different contexts (one denoting a degree title, the other a person's "job" title). Whereas with the uniforms, one is a gray baseball uniform (we wore gray in 2017 per Google, and I imagine we did so in 2018) and the other is a non-gray football uniform.

It's not the conversation I'm talking about that doesn't make sense, it's the logic that says gray is OK for one sport, but not for another, that makes absolutely no sense. I don't care to try and talk about whether there's a sound argument behind the Master's name change or not wearing gray.

In can be illogical, and yet be true.

Do you believe your own eyes? Football uniforms lack grey, uniforms in some other sports do not.

The original post was lacking in any sort of contextual clues about who/what was driving the motion to not include gray, and what their connection to Rice was. It also seemed to suggest that there were multiple people who were pushing for the exclusion of gray (SJW was plural).

When it was clarified that it was a coach for the football team, that made the situation clearer and made a lot more sense how one sport didn't use gray, but others did.
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So any conception of gray or grey is indelibly attached to Confederate Gray? As a person of color, I am completely baffled by this logic. We all know what the Rice preferred color scheme says: Confederate gray with a tinge of lavender. I also know that William M. Rice was not partial to POC with regard to the charter. But the man is dead, therefore, let his bigotry rot in the grave with him. The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy. If Rice University circa 2018 feels that strongly about this issue, then we need to remove gray as our secondary color and pick a secondary color that we will actually use. Otherwise, get some dang gray pants and utilize a color is that is actually a part of our color scheme; as opposed to half of college football today.

Also, I am not a fan of the full re-brand. I like the Owl logos (Owl head, swooping owl), however, I dislike the "Rice" in motion type as well as the numbers...but it's a non-issue.
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(08-13-2018 11:12 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  So any conception of gray or grey is indelibly attached to Confederate Gray? As a person of color, I am completely baffled by this logic. We all know what the Rice preferred color scheme says: Confederate gray with a tinge of lavender. I also know that William M. Rice was not partial to POC with regard to the charter. But the man is dead, therefore, let his bigotry rot in the grave with him. The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy. If Rice University circa 2018 feels that strongly about this issue, then we need to remove gray as our secondary color and pick a secondary color that we will actually use. Otherwise, get some dang gray pants and utilize a color is that is actually a part of our color scheme; as opposed to half of college football today.

Also, I am not a fan of the full re-brand. I like the Owls, I dislike the "Rice" in motion as well as the numbers...but it's a non-issue.

Completely agree about the gray, but I do love the solid blue that we wear at home. It's a tradition we should stick with consistently. Definitely incorporate some gray beyond just the facemask.
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(08-13-2018 11:12 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy.

True. If we are follow the logic that gray is bad because of an association with a army of 150 years ago, then I hope all the teams in the NCAA that wear red will drop it as a team color because of the association with King George's redcoats.

Ya listening, UH?
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(08-13-2018 11:12 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  So any conception of gray or grey is indelibly attached to Confederate Gray? As a person of color, I am completely baffled by this logic. We all know what the Rice preferred color scheme says: Confederate gray with a tinge of lavender. I also know that William M. Rice was not partial to POC with regard to the charter. But the man is dead, therefore, let his bigotry rot in the grave with him. The color does not have to be forever associated with the Confederacy. If Rice University circa 2018 feels that strongly about this issue, then we need to remove gray as our secondary color and pick a secondary color that we will actually use. Otherwise, get some dang gray pants and utilize a color is that is actually a part of our color scheme; as opposed to half of college football today.

Also, I am not a fan of the full re-brand. I like the Owl logos (Owl head, swooping owl), however, I dislike the "Rice" in motion type as well as the numbers...but it's a non-issue.

I too dislike the Rice in motion look.
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