UWM will never be called Wisconsin State. Stevens Point claims that name and there is no way they let another state school use that name, even though UWM used to be called WSU-Milwaukee.

I don't think there is any movement for the D3 schools in Wisconsin to move up. All have been together for 100 years, with only Superior and Milwaukee leaving the conference. Except for couple of schools, they all have around 10,000 in enrollment. They are happy playing D3. UW-Whitewater not moving up has little or nothing to do with Wisconsin football. Cardinal Stritch wanted to move up to D2 a few years ago, but the market crash ended their dreams.

Milwaukee has hinted at wanting to play football, but there is no facility in Milwaukee to handle it. They finally found a new baseball home after years of searching, but its 20 miles from campus. Unless Milwaukee builds a MSL stadium capable of handling football, UWM has no place to play. Hence, no football.

Parkside and Green Bay were never members of the WIAC, at least the men were not. Neither ever played football. Parkside is a relatively new school. They were NAIA before moving to D2.

(08-02-2018 02:04 PM)MU88 Wrote:  UWM will never be called Wisconsin State. Stevens Point claims that name and there is no way they let another state school use that name, even though UWM used to be called WSU-Milwaukee.

I don't think there is any movement for the D3 schools in Wisconsin to move up. All have been together for 100 years, with only Superior and Milwaukee leaving the conference. Except for couple of schools, they all have around 10,000 in enrollment. They are happy playing D3. UW-Whitewater not moving up has little or nothing to do with Wisconsin football. Cardinal Stritch wanted to move up to D2 a few years ago, but the market crash ended their dreams.

Milwaukee has hinted at wanting to play football, but there is no facility in Milwaukee to handle it. They finally found a new baseball home after years of searching, but its 20 miles from campus. Unless Milwaukee builds a MSL stadium capable of handling football, UWM has no place to play. Hence, no football.

Parkside and Green Bay were never members of the WIAC, at least the men were not. Neither ever played football. Parkside is a relatively new school. They were NAIA before moving to D2.

Isn't Stritch in NAIA? I think they beat Notre Dame in basketball a few years back.

(08-02-2018 02:25 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Isn't Stritch in NAIA? I think they beat Notre Dame in basketball a few years back.

Using DavidSt logic, that would mean Stritch belongs in DI and Notre Dame in NAIA.

(08-02-2018 02:36 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 02:25 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Isn't Stritch in NAIA? I think they beat Notre Dame in basketball a few years back.

Using DavidSt logic, that would mean Stritch belongs in DI and Notre Dame in NAIA.

"Cardinal Stritch beat Notre Dame a few years back in basketball. They are ready for D1. Put them in the Big East so they can be Marquette's travel partner. They could also form huge rivalries with Wisconsin and UWM."

This thread is about played out...for now.
So here's something a little off topic, but since there was a lot of discussion about the Wisconsin d3 schools...
last year I started watching UW Stevens Point hockey games on their athletic web site. It was fun. Check out this highlight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbKf9gz833M

(I like the moment at :54 seconds.)

I am still trying to see exactly what Augustana would bring to the table as a Summit member, beyond some now-musty NCC rivalries, a league schedule evener and a location within the Dakota-centric conference.

As I see it, they don't have many fans, nor to they bring a new market to the conference, as Sioux Falls is already at the center of the conference - they would just slice up the existing South Dakota market further, especially South Dakota and South Dakota state's recruiting area and influence in the Sioux Falls market.

From a brand standpoint, Augutana is a tiny school, with a small endowment, little academic stature and virtually no brand awareness outside of the Dakotas. It virtually shouts "Small college-Small time." thus re-forcing the existing stereotype of the podunk Dakota population base.

All in all, I don't the addition of Augustana being additive to the conference - moreover, I see it as dilutive.

(04-04-2018 06:36 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  May not be any fire behind this smoke, but this may be good news for the WAC. The Summit probably won’t take any more Dakota schools.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthre...ng-Pioneer

No

(08-03-2018 03:54 PM)puck swami Wrote:  I am still trying to see exactly what Augustana would bring to the table as a Summit member, beyond some now-musty NCC rivalries, a league schedule evener and a location within the Dakota-centric conference.

As I see it, they don't have many fans, nor to they bring a new market to the conference, as Sioux Falls is already at the center of the conference - they would just slice up the existing South Dakota market further, especially South Dakota and South Dakota state's recruiting area and influence in the Sioux Falls market.

From a brand standpoint, Augutana is a tiny school, with a small endowment, little academic stature and virtually no brand awareness outside of the Dakotas. It virtually shouts "Small college-Small time." thus re-forcing the existing stereotype of the podunk Dakota population base.

All in all, I don't the addition of Augustana being additive to the conference - moreover, I see it as dilutive.

Other then adding a body, there is NOTHING Augustana brings to the Summit. You have to understand that this is more about egos and Sioux Falls. A small city that sees itself as the center of the universe.

NDSU and SDSU chose to leave D2 to get away from schools like Augustana. USD and UND eventually followed for the same reason. I doubt the four have a lot of interest in now welcoming Augustana back into their lives.

This is about Kelby Krabbenhoft and a few very wealthy Augustana boosters from Sioux Falls who want to stroke their egos. Augustana is the vessel they have chosen. They see the success of the Summit League Tournament and they want in. They have found willing participants to promote their agenda in the Sioux Falls media, who again, see themselves as the center of the universe.

Augustana is a tiny school, a very financially conservative school that saw no real success in athletics until the four larger "Dakota" schools left D2. A lot of Augustana supporters are thrilled with D2 and the success they have had. They fear moving up and believe that if they do they will once again be relegated to an afterthought as they were in the old North Central Conference. We'll see what they do, minus a Summit invite they will not move. They can't afford the WAC.

A former NCC school that would bring value to the Summit would be St Thomas, but they relish the MIAC too much and are still DIII. They would be a Marquette to the Twin Cities and have several sports like hockey that would be a power. Their campus is not too far from the new MLS stadium coming up. Wouldn’t expect football out of them at DI but lacrosse and soccer would be excellent.

Augustana came in much later to the NCC. St Thomas and Creighton used to be a part of that conference before Augustana.

NoDak, you've become DavidSt for some reason. St. Thomas is smart not to pursue Division I status within the next 20 years. They know they would never get the decent media coverage as a D-I school that they do now as a perennial contender. Besides, they don't have the game facilities to compete even in Division II. There's also the psychological blow they would suffer if they ended their rivalries with St. John's and Hamline.

And don't forget this: The Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis is on the hook for payouts to sexual abuse victims of priests dating back decades. If UST decided one day to join the NSIC, the blowback would be massive.

St. Thomas wouldn't leave St. John's behind. Both like to be the big fish in a small pond. Besides, the Gophers already own the Twin Cities, as well as the whole state.

(08-03-2018 06:55 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  NoDak, you've become DavidSt for some reason. St. Thomas is smart not to pursue Division I status within the next 20 years. They know they would never get the decent media coverage as a D-I school that they do now as a perennial contender. Besides, they don't have the game facilities to compete even in Division II. There's also the psychological blow they would suffer if they ended their rivalries with St. John's and Hamline.

And don't forget this: The Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis is on the hook for payouts to sexual abuse victims of priests dating back decades. If UST decided one day to join the NSIC, the blowback would be massive.

Fully recognize that St Thomas wouldn’t go DI because it would have almost 10 years going through a DII transition and time in DII to even qualify for DI. St Thomas has nearly the endowment and enrollment of Marquette. They missed a shot at it way back when the left the NCC for nearby competition and when the NCAA changed the rules to only allow DII schools to be eligible for DI. St Thomas would be a hockey power as Minnesota still has major excess in DI hockey recruits.

(08-03-2018 08:16 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  St. Thomas wouldn't leave St. John's behind. Both like to be the big fish in a small pond. Besides, the Gophers already own the Twin Cities, as well as the whole state.

The Gophers have the least fan penetration of their state in the Big Ten. Only Rutgers is in competition. Minnesota is so oriented to pro sports, especially out state. By far, not a Nebraska, Iowa, or Wisconsin. The Twins, Vikings, T-Wolves, and Wild have much more suppport everywhere in the state.

Minnesota arguably doesn’t have competitive college teams because the U of M doesn’t have a local rival. UND is the most hated rival in hockey (have a game in Vegas upcoming and the tickets are really pricey). U of Iowa is big for Iowans living in the Twin Cities but Gophers rivals for Minnesotans aren’t very big as most Minnesotans find them boring.

(08-03-2018 04:41 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  Other then adding a body, there is NOTHING Augustana brings to the Summit. You have to understand that this is more about egos and Sioux Falls. A small city that sees itself as the center of the universe.

NDSU and SDSU chose to leave D2 to get away from schools like Augustana. USD and UND eventually followed for the same reason. I doubt the four have a lot of interest in now welcoming Augustana back into their lives.

This is about Kelby Krabbenhoft and a few very wealthy Augustana boosters from Sioux Falls who want to stroke their egos. Augustana is the vessel they have chosen. They see the success of the Summit League Tournament and they want in. They have found willing participants to promote their agenda in the Sioux Falls media, who again, see themselves as the center of the universe.

Augustana is a tiny school, a very financially conservative school that saw no real success in athletics until the four larger "Dakota" schools left D2. A lot of Augustana supporters are thrilled with D2 and the success they have had. They fear moving up and believe that if they do they will once again be relegated to an afterthought as they were in the old North Central Conference. We'll see what they do, minus a Summit invite they will not move. They can't afford the WAC.

I'm a long way from the situation and I've never been to Sioux Falls. I can smell a rat all the way from Texas on this thing, though.

The right school in a small market can do very well. However, Augustana is a tiny private school with barely 2000 students. It would be a huge stretch for them to make the move to merely be in Division I. This appears to be a move by Sioux Falls boosters to have "their school" in "their conference" and "their tournament". It looks very provincial. It's not enough for the power brokers in Sioux Falls to have the two state schools in their event. They want their own school.

Based on this description, Augustana would move from being successful in D-II to being a minnow in the lake that is Division I. What might be a good move for some Sioux Falls boosters wouldn't be a good move for Augustana.

Bigger isn't always better.

I would have to say that it have been thinking of the past that would not want any other schools in D1 for some states. That way of thinking have changed in the past few years. When Omaha moved up? Nebraska would not want them have a D1 football team. But, if they moved up today? They could have kept their football. You have the CTE issue, the many lawsuits against the NCAA and individual universities, the COA for players and so forth. All that could eat up their budget for the athletic departments. The idea is to split the D1 into 2 for all sports as 1A and 1AA. Several FCS conferences will moved up to FBS, and several basketball schools would move into these conferences. Some Big East schools belong in 1AA but schools like Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Marquette and Xavier belongs in 1A. Same with the A10 and so forth. That would open doors for D2 schools to move which means schools in the state of Wisconsin, Minnesota and Nebraska could be in 1AA for all sports whixh includes football. As it is, FBS and FCS are separate anyways which means having a football team at Milwaukee, Omaha or Mankato at the FCS levels still would not compete with the FBS schools since they are going after a different trophy.

There is at least one former Montana fb coach that is clearly disappointed with the Big Sky and its California approach. Mick Delaney just said in an interview that the Montanas should have joined with the four Dakotas and Idaho and had their own division. That flies in the face of what the Montana posters and their Big Sky sycophants have said. Delaney is much more connected than anybody on this board and he’s a former AD. But I guess I’m just an idiot too.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/...804309002/

(08-04-2018 06:33 AM)NoDak Wrote:  There is at least one former Montana fb coach that is clearly disappointed with the Big Sky and its California approach. Mick Delaney just said in an interview that the Montanas should have joined with the four Dakotas and Idaho and had their own division. That flies in the face of what the Montana posters and their Big Sky sycophants have said. Delaney is much more connected than anybody on this board and he’s a former AD. But I guess I’m just an idiot too.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/...804309002/

I thought people aren’t publicly allowed to comment on the Great Northern? That’s one guys opinion on what they SHOULD have done, not what will happen.

If an old NCC member is going to be reunited with the Dakota 4 and Omaha in the Summit it's going to be Northern Colorado or among the trio of Minnesota-Duluth, St Cloud St, or Minnesota St.

Northern Colorado would bring a 6th football program and put the Summit in a position to take over the MVFC as a conference sport. They'd also be a travel partner for Denver.

Adding the first two Minnesota schools gives the Summit 5 of the 8 NCHC schools and would also put the Summit in a position to sponsor hockey in-house.

The Dakota 4, Omaha, and Denver make up 2/3rds of the Summit membership. If either or both of these routes are appealing to them then they can pursue them despite what the other 3 want.

Augustana really has nothing to offer

(08-04-2018 09:57 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If an old NCC member is going to be reunited with the Dakota 4 and Omaha in the Summit it's going to be Northern Colorado or among the trio of Minnesota-Duluth, St Cloud St, or Minnesota St.

Northern Colorado would bring a 6th football program and put the Summit in a position to take over the MVFC as a conference sport. They'd also be a travel partner for Denver.

Adding the first two Minnesota schools gives the Summit 5 of the 8 NCHC schools and would also put the Summit in a position to sponsor hockey in-house.

The Dakota 4, Omaha, and Denver make up 2/3rds of the Summit membership. If either or both of these routes are appealing to them then they can pursue them despite what the other 3 want.

Augustana really has nothing to offer

Aren't most conference decisions dependent upon a 75% supermajority? If the Summit is like that, they'd need a 7th member to agree.

Northern Colorado joining the Summit and the non-Summit MVFC schools becoming football affiliates is not necessarily likely, but certainly more likely than the "Great Northern" (although that's not saying much). If it did happen, which football school would be in the west for scheduling purposes, UNI or Missouri State? Missouri State is technically farther west, but UNI is closer to the Dakota schools.

(08-04-2018 06:53 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 06:33 AM)NoDak Wrote:  There is at least one former Montana fb coach that is clearly disappointed with the Big Sky and its California approach. Mick Delaney just said in an interview that the Montanas should have joined with the four Dakotas and Idaho and had their own division. That flies in the face of what the Montana posters and their Big Sky sycophants have said. Delaney is much more connected than anybody on this board and he’s a former AD. But I guess I’m just an idiot too.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/...804309002/

I thought people aren’t publicly allowed to comment on the Great Northern? That’s one guys opinion on what they SHOULD have done, not what will happen.

Following NoDak logic. Wouldn't this mean that a 2 division set-up is a done deal? Bad news for the GNC.