(07-24-2018 09:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 02:52 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The Boise deal kills the MWC value. I just think you eventually see them in the AAC.

I think the bloom may be off the rose for Boise. Competitively, they have been trending down, and if that were to continue so would interest in the Broncos outside their region. Frankly, I don't see them being able to sustain their sweetheart deal with the MWC in the long run. The AAC could be chasing damaged goods, and overpaying for it.

The AAC today is probably as strong as it will ever be.

BYU--probably Air Force and Army are the only ones that I could see the AAC expanding with right now. BYU is a near P5 brand. Army and Air Force would give the AAC a true identity and have significant value when grouped with Navy. If we were playing "Monopoly", I'd call getting Army, Navy, and Air Force the equivalent of getting all the railroads.

Which is why they can’t expand. BYU feels they are above the AAC, Army doesn’t want to be in a football conference, and Air Force is comfortable in an AAC-level conference that makes more sense regionally. Before you go huffing and puffing, just remember that Boise was UCF for a decade.

lol...no huffing and puffing from me. Im just pointing out that those are the only schools that could say "Im interested in joining" and the AAC would likley pull the trigger on right now. Boise would probably not a get much support right now on their own. lol...They burnt a few bridges in 2013.

(07-24-2018 09:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Gonzaga to the MWC is much stronger if AFA is gone.

AFA to AAC for fb only. AFA to the new WAC or new Summit for non fb sports.

Ah haw, the Great North. In a way AF joining the AAC makes some sense. They now play 8 conference games (league only does 8 to help them out), plus 2 against Army/Navy so they can only schedule 2 additional. Joining the AAC would allow them to cut to 8 if Army joined as football only. To do this though means giving up regional rivals CSU and Wyoming. In addition, other league e games are closer.


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Boise State is still winning games. They are still winning and the loses have not gone down. During Boise State's run in the WAC? The number of loses that Boise had in 1 season was 4. They had 32 and 3 the past couple of years. They are still above average than many P5 teams for the last 10 years. They still have more wins thane anybody else since 2000.

(07-24-2018 10:04 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 09:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Gonzaga to the MWC is much stronger if AFA is gone.

AFA to AAC for fb only. AFA to the new WAC or new Summit for non fb sports.

Ah haw, the Great North. In a way AF joining the AAC makes some sense. They now play 8 conference games (league only does 8 to help them out), plus 2 against Army/Navy so they can only schedule 2 additional. Joining the AAC would allow them to cut to 8 if Army joined as football only. To do this though means giving up regional rivals CSU and Wyoming. In addition, other league e games are closer.


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Not really. They would no longer burn two OOC games playing Navy and Army. Wyoming and Colorado could simply take thier place on the OOC schedule if all parties are inclined to continue the rivalry series.

(07-24-2018 09:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 09:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 02:52 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The Boise deal kills the MWC value. I just think you eventually see them in the AAC.

I think the bloom may be off the rose for Boise. Competitively, they have been trending down, and if that were to continue so would interest in the Broncos outside their region. Frankly, I don't see them being able to sustain their sweetheart deal with the MWC in the long run. The AAC could be chasing damaged goods, and overpaying for it.

The AAC today is probably as strong as it will ever be.

BYU--probably Air Force and Army are the only ones that I could see the AAC expanding with right now. BYU is a near P5 brand. Army and Air Force would give the AAC a true identity and have significant value when grouped with Navy. If we were playing "Monopoly", I'd call getting Army, Navy, and Air Force the equivalent of getting all the railroads.

Which is why they can’t expand. BYU feels they are above the AAC, Army doesn’t want to be in a football conference, and Air Force is comfortable in an AAC-level conference that makes more sense regionally. Before you go huffing and puffing, just remember that Boise was UCF for a decade.

lol...no huffing and puffing from me. Im just pointing out that those are the only schools that could say "Im interested in joining" and the AAC would likley pull the trigger on right now. Boise would probably not a get much support right now on their own. lol...They burnt a few bridges in 2013.

The AAC should try to convince Army to give it another try playing football in a conference. C-USA was a fiasco for them but maybe this time, it might work especially having Navy and other nearby schools such as Temple and UConn in the league. The 14th school would be UMass or perhaps Old Domnion which is the C-USA school I believe has what it takes to move up.

Air Force won’t leave Colorado State, Wyoming and New Mexico to go East. They value those ties with the Front Range schools and I’m sure they like playing Utah State and Boise State. They’re in the right place. BYU will not join a G5 for one reason: Utah. They won’t take the humiliation in playing SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane and Air Force in their division while Utah plays USC, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona State and Arizona in theirs. They won’t allow it and for that same reason BYU will stick to independence as long as they can.

(07-24-2018 11:51 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 09:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 09:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  I think the bloom may be off the rose for Boise. Competitively, they have been trending down, and if that were to continue so would interest in the Broncos outside their region. Frankly, I don't see them being able to sustain their sweetheart deal with the MWC in the long run. The AAC could be chasing damaged goods, and overpaying for it.

The AAC today is probably as strong as it will ever be.

BYU--probably Air Force and Army are the only ones that I could see the AAC expanding with right now. BYU is a near P5 brand. Army and Air Force would give the AAC a true identity and have significant value when grouped with Navy. If we were playing "Monopoly", I'd call getting Army, Navy, and Air Force the equivalent of getting all the railroads.

Which is why they can’t expand. BYU feels they are above the AAC, Army doesn’t want to be in a football conference, and Air Force is comfortable in an AAC-level conference that makes more sense regionally. Before you go huffing and puffing, just remember that Boise was UCF for a decade.

lol...no huffing and puffing from me. Im just pointing out that those are the only schools that could say "Im interested in joining" and the AAC would likley pull the trigger on right now. Boise would probably not a get much support right now on their own. lol...They burnt a few bridges in 2013.

The AAC should try to convince Army to give it another try playing football in a conference. C-USA was a fiasco for them but maybe this time, it might work especially having Navy and other nearby schools such as Temple and UConn in the league. The 14th school would be UMass or perhaps Old Domnion which is the C-USA school I believe has what it takes to move up.

Air Force won’t leave Colorado State, Wyoming and New Mexico to go East. They value those ties with the Front Range schools and I’m sure they like playing Utah State and Boise State. They’re in the right place. BYU will not join a G5 for one reason: Utah. They won’t take the humiliation in playing SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane and Air Force in their division while Utah plays USC, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona State and Arizona in theirs. They won’t allow it and for that same reason BYU will stick to independence as long as they can.

I don’t know. I think playing in a league with the other academies in a division made up Navy and mostly private schools might actually appeal to AF.

AFA inquired to the MVC about putting Olympic sports there. AFA was at least open to moving their Olympic Sports over, as mostly they get pummeled in the MWC, but the MVC wasn’t interested. AFA leaving would make the MWC more pleasing to Gonzaga, as it would weed out a weak basketball program. AFA just needs an all sports conference closer to the Patriot in competition and presumably academics.

The question is would AFA fb move to the AAC. The AAC has better bowls, national coverage, military rivals and mostly better academics. Play one game annually against Colo St, and call it a day.

Just for AFA recruitment, more eastern and central time zone games would probably be a great service. The MWC schedule is a disservice. Mix in one Pacific time game a year, and AFA fb would practically cover the nation.

(07-24-2018 02:06 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I would prefer Boise St to be in the American with a Western quadrant including three of San Diego St, BYU, Colorado St, and Air Force (or all of them plus Army for 18) with Boise St's non-football sports in the Big West or elsewhere.

Bowl games are good but location is better. I'd love to see something like the Liberty Bowl or Sun Bowl or some other similarly tiered bowl become a top MWC/AAC post-season matchup.

Gonzaga to the MWC doesn't make sense today. It would've made sense a few years ago, but the WCC is the right spot right now for the Zags.

They own the league - why move. It's almost a guaranteed / automatic NCAA auto bid for them there too year after year.

(07-24-2018 02:37 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  MWC too good of a league to devalue itself indefinitely for Boise.

Should’ve waved good-bye and added El Paso. Boise would’ve come back eventually.

Yes they would along with BYU too. How is that working out.

(07-24-2018 03:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 02:52 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  The Boise deal kills the MWC value. I just think you eventually see them in the AAC.

I think the bloom may be off the rose for Boise. Competitively, they have been trending down, and if that were to continue so would interest in the Broncos outside their region. Frankly, I don't see them being able to sustain their sweetheart deal with the MWC in the long run. The AAC could be chasing damaged goods, and overpaying for it.

The AAC today is probably as strong as it will ever be.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^.

(07-24-2018 02:06 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I would prefer Boise St to be in the American with a Western quadrant including three of San Diego St, BYU, Colorado St, and Air Force (or all of them plus Army for 18) with Boise St's non-football sports in the Big West or elsewhere.

Bowl games are good but location is better. I'd love to see something like the Liberty Bowl or Sun Bowl or some other similarly tiered bowl become a top MWC/AAC post-season matchup.

Gonzaga to the MWC doesn't make sense today. It would've made sense a few years ago, but the WCC is the right spot right now for the Zags.

That ship has sailed no room in the in at AAC.

Nick Saban was on College Football Live last night and said that the P5 schools will play all P5 schools in football in the future. He mentioned that the G5 have to work harder to get into the P5 conferences. Schools like Boise, UCF and so forth are working hard to get an invite to a P5 conference. He even did not think UCF deserved to be in the playoffs. After what they did to Auburn and Alabama lost to Auburn? Did the best team actually deserved in the playoffs? AAC will always be a G5 to Saban as well as the MWC. I would like to see a G5 program like Utah go in and lay a smack down on his pompous butt.

(07-25-2018 07:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 02:06 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I would prefer Boise St to be in the American with a Western quadrant including three of San Diego St, BYU, Colorado St, and Air Force (or all of them plus Army for 18) with Boise St's non-football sports in the Big West or elsewhere.

Bowl games are good but location is better. I'd love to see something like the Liberty Bowl or Sun Bowl or some other similarly tiered bowl become a top MWC/AAC post-season matchup.

Gonzaga to the MWC doesn't make sense today. It would've made sense a few years ago, but the WCC is the right spot right now for the Zags.

That ship has sailed no room in the in at AAC.

Maybe, maybe not. If the AAC gets "promoted" to power status at some point, they may see a financial benefit of adding BYU, Boise St, San Diego St, and another for football.

(07-24-2018 10:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is still winning games. They are still winning and the loses have not gone down. During Boise State's run in the WAC? The number of loses that Boise had in 1 season was 4. They had 32 and 3 the past couple of years. They are still above average than many P5 teams for the last 10 years. They still have more wins thane anybody else since 2000.

Boise continues to be one of the very best recruiting programs in the G5.

By a lot of publications they are considered the number 1 contender for the access bowl.

(07-25-2018 09:03 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 10:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is still winning games. They are still winning and the loses have not gone down. During Boise State's run in the WAC? The number of loses that Boise had in 1 season was 4. They had 32 and 3 the past couple of years. They are still above average than many P5 teams for the last 10 years. They still have more wins thane anybody else since 2000.

Boise continues to be one of the very best recruiting programs in the G5.

By a lot of publications they are considered the number 1 contender for the access bowl.

If they can get by Okie State, there is a very good chance they go undefeated.


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(07-25-2018 10:48 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 09:03 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 10:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State is still winning games. They are still winning and the loses have not gone down. During Boise State's run in the WAC? The number of loses that Boise had in 1 season was 4. They had 32 and 3 the past couple of years. They are still above average than many P5 teams for the last 10 years. They still have more wins thane anybody else since 2000.

Boise continues to be one of the very best recruiting programs in the G5.

By a lot of publications they are considered the number 1 contender for the access bowl.

If they can get by Okie State, there is a very good chance they go undefeated.


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Even if we beat Oklahoma St and go undefeated, we won't have the resume that Central Florida had last year = likely no chance of getting close to the CFP.

(07-24-2018 01:51 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Some tweets about Craig Thompson's MWC round-table discussion today.

Dave Southorn
@davesouthorn
Craig Thompson said when new TV deal is negotiated, Boise State’s home games being sold separately will continue since it was part of their membership agreement.

Nicole Auerbach
@NicoleAuerbach
Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson: “We get told directly by media/TV partners that ‘the later you play, the more value you give us.’ “

Dave Southorn
@davesouthorn
Craig Thompson said its very likely MW will re-up with bowls in Boise, Albuquerque and Honolulu. Has Arizona, can have up to six. Vegas still up in air after 2019.

Nicole Auerbach
@NicoleAuerbach
MWC commissioner Craig Thompson: “The pursuit of Gonzaga got a little more public than I would have liked.”

Here is my read on what I see here---Aresco seems very confident in promoting a raise for the AAC while Thompson has recently indicated that the MW Digital Network could be the future for the MWC. What that tells me is that Aresco has strong indications of a multiple bidder situation for the AAC while Thompson has been forced to "manufacture" an additional bidder by suggesting the MW Digital Network might get the entire MW package.

I think these two conferences will likely NOT end up with similar pay checks after this round of contract negotiations.

(07-25-2018 01:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 11:51 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 09:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 09:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 03:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  BYU--probably Air Force and Army are the only ones that I could see the AAC expanding with right now. BYU is a near P5 brand. Army and Air Force would give the AAC a true identity and have significant value when grouped with Navy. If we were playing "Monopoly", I'd call getting Army, Navy, and Air Force the equivalent of getting all the railroads.

Which is why they can’t expand. BYU feels they are above the AAC, Army doesn’t want to be in a football conference, and Air Force is comfortable in an AAC-level conference that makes more sense regionally. Before you go huffing and puffing, just remember that Boise was UCF for a decade.

lol...no huffing and puffing from me. Im just pointing out that those are the only schools that could say "Im interested in joining" and the AAC would likley pull the trigger on right now. Boise would probably not a get much support right now on their own. lol...They burnt a few bridges in 2013.

The AAC should try to convince Army to give it another try playing football in a conference. C-USA was a fiasco for them but maybe this time, it might work especially having Navy and other nearby schools such as Temple and UConn in the league. The 14th school would be UMass or perhaps Old Domnion which is the C-USA school I believe has what it takes to move up.

Air Force won’t leave Colorado State, Wyoming and New Mexico to go East. They value those ties with the Front Range schools and I’m sure they like playing Utah State and Boise State. They’re in the right place. BYU will not join a G5 for one reason: Utah. They won’t take the humiliation in playing SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane and Air Force in their division while Utah plays USC, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona State and Arizona in theirs. They won’t allow it and for that same reason BYU will stick to independence as long as they can.

I don’t know. I think playing in a league with the other academies in a division made up Navy and mostly private schools might actually appeal to AF.

That would be true if they rarely play Army and Navy but that’s not the case. As I mentioned before, Air Force values those ties with the Front Rage schools which goes back to four decades. They won’t severe those ties to go to a conference that might not exist or might look completely different in 10 years. They don’t want to be like UTEP, a Westetn school lost in a Southern based conference wth a bunch of schools it has nothing in common with. That’s why I laugh when Air Force and BYU are mentioned. Your only chances are with schools in C-USA, Sun Belt and G5 independents not named BYU, they’ll do anything to leave the situation they’re in.

(07-25-2018 11:34 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 01:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 11:51 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 09:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-24-2018 09:10 PM)esayem Wrote:  Which is why they can’t expand. BYU feels they are above the AAC, Army doesn’t want to be in a football conference, and Air Force is comfortable in an AAC-level conference that makes more sense regionally. Before you go huffing and puffing, just remember that Boise was UCF for a decade.

lol...no huffing and puffing from me. Im just pointing out that those are the only schools that could say "Im interested in joining" and the AAC would likley pull the trigger on right now. Boise would probably not a get much support right now on their own. lol...They burnt a few bridges in 2013.

The AAC should try to convince Army to give it another try playing football in a conference. C-USA was a fiasco for them but maybe this time, it might work especially having Navy and other nearby schools such as Temple and UConn in the league. The 14th school would be UMass or perhaps Old Domnion which is the C-USA school I believe has what it takes to move up.

Air Force won’t leave Colorado State, Wyoming and New Mexico to go East. They value those ties with the Front Range schools and I’m sure they like playing Utah State and Boise State. They’re in the right place. BYU will not join a G5 for one reason: Utah. They won’t take the humiliation in playing SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane and Air Force in their division while Utah plays USC, UCLA, Colorado, Arizona State and Arizona in theirs. They won’t allow it and for that same reason BYU will stick to independence as long as they can.

I don’t know. I think playing in a league with the other academies in a division made up Navy and mostly private schools might actually appeal to AF.

That would be true if they rarely play Army and Navy but that’s not the case. As I mentioned before, Air Force values those ties with the Front Rage schools which goes back to four decades. They won’t severe those ties to go to a conference that might not exist or might look completely different in 10 years. They don’t want to be like UTEP, a Westetn school lost in a Southern based conference wth a bunch of schools it has nothing in common with. That’s why I laugh when Air Force and BYU are mentioned. Your only chances are with schools in C-USA, Sun Belt and G5 independents not named BYU, they’ll do anything to leave the situation they’re in.

I don’t see the difference. Now they play Army and Navy as annual OOC games and Wyoming and Colorado St as conference games. Essentially, they would do the same thing—except Army and Navy would be conference games and Wyoming and Colorado St would be OOC.

Quote:@NicoleAuerbach
Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson: “We get told directly by media/TV partners that ‘the later you play, the more value you give us.’ “

This is precisely why now is the time for the AAC to aggressively pursue western expansion. Tremendous value in a conference that has strong brands and competitive teams with the flexibility to broadcast football games Thursday and Friday nights and from 12pm to 10pm ET on Saturdays. Quality basketball inventory available every night of the week, including some up to 10pm ET tipoff. And, fans in the west would care about conference games in the east and vice-versa.